So I can't hit a restaurant with my bro unless I'm gayAre you doing it has a date or just diner? You must be a terrible person to be with if they only romantic thing you can think of is sex. I feel sorry for any girl that ends up with you. Do you even know what a date is? So i guess if 2 5 year old boys go on a "play sate" by your definition it must mean attraction. You literally did just say if he took his friend to outback steakhouse he is gay[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Do you honestly think all gay couples do is have sex? Going on a date with someone of the same sex is very gay
toast_burner
We should be happy that g@y marriage is becoming a thing
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Trans-gender is not a mental illness, it's a very real problem for those who are born trans-gender and created within the womb. But this thread isn't about trans-gender and I've found that most people on this site in particular are incapable of understanding what life is like for those who are born trans-gender.PresidentKing
Trans-gender is not a choice. You are born because of chemical imbalances? in the womb. This is what seperates trans-genders from gays, who actually do have a choice. There is also a role the environment plays in gays, without a doubt.
Hey i just said that before. it's good to have some brains in here. Unfortunately you don't, because being gay is not a choice as me being hetero is not a choice as well. The environment surely plays a great role in it but that doesn't mean it's a choice.
[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]Which is a terrible argument to support homosexuality, since nature is also filled with stuff such as rape and murdering for fun (you know, like dolphins do all the time) I respect the gay community but the "its cool because it happens in nature!" argument is flawed as **** Yet it being "unnatural" is one of the most common used arguments against it. Like toast_burner already said. And im pretty sure that when they say "its bad because its not natural" they dont mean that it doesnt happen in the animal kingdom, they mean that its impossible to produce offspring or that even gay sex involved parts that should not be used for sex at all. also we dont even know why animals are gay but animals are not rational, they dont make a choice of being gay so as far as we know there could actually be something wrong with gay animals. did you know that dogs can have homosexual tendencies with other dogs who were close to a female dog in mating season because they get impregnated with their smell.It's perfectly natural by the fact that it occurs all over the place in nature. Penguins, girraffes, albatross, lions, monkeys, etc. have all been observed in natural habitats (not zoos) in homosexual relationships.
Grow up and get an education.
:roll:
MrPraline
PresidentKing
hi banjo
toast_burner
If some kid has had horrible experiences with females in his life, there is a possibility that he will develop into a homosexual...likewise, if a kid is surrounded by straight girls, he will start acting similar to them. Kids love to imitate - as you know. The latter transformation I have witnessed with my own eyes..I know you're not going to believe it, but whatever.
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]Hey i just said that before. it's good to have some brains in here. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaTrans-gender is not a choice. You are born because of chemical imbalances? in the womb. This is what seperates trans-genders from gays, who actually do have a choice. There is also a role the environment plays in gays, without a doubt.
chessmaster1989
you wanna take this outside?
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]Hey i just said that before. it's good to have some brains in here. Unfortunately you don't, because being gay is not a choice as me being hetero is not a choice as well. The environment surely plays a great role in it but that doesn't mean it's a choice. Sexuality can be a choice, can be influenced by choices, and surroundings can also have an effect as well. because being straight or not is a PREFERENCE and thus can change during certain stages. You can be attracted to a male if you are male, then start looking at woman, if you choose to further explore woman then it is possible your attraction in males could fade. or heck maybe you are only attracted to males that have faces and (try0 to have body like woman. Or heck maybe you might just like and support attraction for it because you were grown with nothing but a neighborhoos and school full of homosexuals, and thus even though you prefer woman, you have a slight attraction to men as well.] Saying there is no choice is beyond stupid because it's a preference. If fred does not like vanilla milkshakes, he can choose to keep trying(or try different brands) of vanilla shake, or he could ignore it and continue with chocolate. Which could be fine, or he could start hvaing thoughts about wanting to try it and start fighting it. oif you deny any of this you need to be removed from the world so that there can actuall be some progression. Being gay or straight involves choices, environment, and are influenced by what mental paths you take.Trans-gender is not a choice. You are born because of chemical imbalances? in the womb. This is what seperates trans-genders from gays, who actually do have a choice. There is also a role the environment plays in gays, without a doubt.
kalparun
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Are you doing it has a date or just diner? You must be a terrible person to be with if they only romantic thing you can think of is sex. I feel sorry for any girl that ends up with you. Do you even know what a date is? So i guess if 2 5 year old boys go on a "play sate" by your definition it must mean attraction. You literally did just say if he took his friend to outback steakhouse he is gayAre you eating your steaks in a normal setting or on a candle lit table as the band plays your partners favourite song?[QUOTE="kalparun"] So I can't hit a restaurant with my bro unless I'm gayPresidentKing
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Trans-gender is not a mental illness, it's a very real problem for those who are born trans-gender and created within the womb. But this thread isn't about trans-gender and I've found that most people on this site in particular are incapable of understanding what life is like for those who are born trans-gender.toast_burner
Trans-gender is not a choice. You are born because of chemical imbalances? in the womb. This is what seperates trans-genders from gays, who actually do have a choice. There is also a role the environment plays in gays, without a doubt.
So if I see someone die in a horrific way and then develop post traumatic stress disorder, did I choose to get it as it was due to enviromental factors? That's exactly the fallacy I think.[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
kingkong0124
If some kid has had horrible experiences with females in his life, there is a possibility that he will develop into a homosexual...likewise, if a kid is surrounded by straight girls, he will start acting similar to them. Kids love to imitate - as you know. The latter transformation I have witnessed with my own eyes..I know you're not going to believe it, but whatever.
So it's not a choice then?
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No because I'm not an idiot.[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
ever though that being straight was also a choice?
PresidentKing
Even if you prove sexuality isn't biological, that stil doesn't make it a choice.
Sexuality can be a choice, can be influenced by choices, and surroundings can also have an effect as well. because being straight or not is a PREFERENCE and thus can change during certain stages. You can be attracted to a male if you are male, then start looking at woman, if you choose to further explore woman then it is possible your attraction in males could fade. or heck maybe you are only attracted to males that have faces and (try0 to have body like woman. Or heck maybe you might just like and support attraction for it because you were grown with nothing but a neighborhoos and school full of homosexuals, and thus even though you prefer woman, you have a slight attraction to men as well.] Saying there is no choice is beyond stupid because it's a preference. If fred does not like vanilla milkshakes, he can choose to keep trying(or try different brands) of vanilla shake, or he could ignore it and continue with chocolate. Which could be fine, or he could start hvaing thoughts about wanting to try it and start fighting it. So yes it's a choice. Threads like these become a broken record. Sexuality is not a choice, it is defined from before we are born and kicks in when our mental development comes to terms with the feelings we have towards other adults, be they of the same sex or opposite. No one wakes up and decides what their sexuality will be, if they did then most people would choose to be the sexuality that won't get them attacked by hateful fools, that won't restrict their lives and won't result in them being likely disowned by family. All humans would choose to be heterosexual if sexuality was a choice, it would be less hassle and less stress since there would be no attacks on them for being the same as everyone else. But it isn't a choice, it never has been. While we can choose to try a particular food item and enjoy it or hate it, we can not choose who we fall in love with. Life is not so clear cut as that. Saying it's a choice shows a great deal of insecurity of oneself.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"] Hey i just said that before. it's good to have some brains in here.kingkong0124
you wanna take this outside?
OH, IT'S ONNo because then there wouldn't be any gay people.ever though that being straight was also a choice?
kingkong0124
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
toast_burner
If some kid has had horrible experiences with females in his life, there is a possibility that he will develop into a homosexual...likewise, if a kid is surrounded by straight girls, he will start acting similar to them. Kids love to imitate - as you know. The latter transformation I have witnessed with my own eyes..I know you're not going to believe it, but whatever.
So it's not a choice then? like a lot of things in life, it DEPENDSDo you even know what a date is? So i guess if 2 5 year old boys go on a "play sate" by your definition it must mean attraction. You literally did just say if he took his friend to outback steakhouse he is gayAre you eating your steaks in a normal setting or on a candle lit table as the band plays your partners favourite song? So f me and my bros go to afro shack to listen to hip hop, and it's dark with candles and a disco ball in the ceiling and everyones all fine and dandy, and the band just happen to play kurtis blow which is one of my favorites all of a sudden everyone in the room that came with me is gay[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Are you doing it has a date or just diner? You must be a terrible person to be with if they only romantic thing you can think of is sex. I feel sorry for any girl that ends up with you.
toast_burner
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Are you eating your steaks in a normal setting or on a candle lit table as the band plays your partners favourite song? So f me and my bros go to afro shack to listen to hip hop, and it's dark with candles and a disco ball in the ceiling and everyones all fine and dandy, and the band just happen to play kurtis blow which is one of my favorites all of a sudden everyone in the room that came with me is gay[QUOTE="PresidentKing"] Do you even know what a date is? So i guess if 2 5 year old boys go on a "play sate" by your definition it must mean attraction. You literally did just say if he took his friend to outback steakhouse he is gayPresidentKing
Have you ever gone in a date in your life? Surely you must know that there is more to dating people than just sleeping with them
Do you even know what a date is? So i guess if 2 5 year old boys go on a "play sate" by your definition it must mean attraction. You literally did just say if he took his friend to outback steakhouse he is gayAre you eating your steaks in a normal setting or on a candle lit table as the band plays your partners favourite song? What's your point? If you're gay go do exactly that, nobody's stopping you unless you live in a **** country. Surely there are going to be people frowning upon it but what do you care?[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Are you doing it has a date or just diner? You must be a terrible person to be with if they only romantic thing you can think of is sex. I feel sorry for any girl that ends up with you.
toast_burner
Are you eating your steaks in a normal setting or on a candle lit table as the band plays your partners favourite song? What's your point? If you're gay go do exactly that, nobody's stopping you unless you live in a **** country. Surely there are going to be people frowning upon it but what do you care?You said (or was it the other guy) to do it in private. You can't date in private.[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"] Do you even know what a date is? So i guess if 2 5 year old boys go on a "play sate" by your definition it must mean attraction. You literally did just say if he took his friend to outback steakhouse he is gaykalparun
What's happening today is narrow minded losers hating on something they are too immature and mentally under developed to understand, most homophobes are noted as being closest homosexuals themselves and are too fearful of themselves and of not being like the mindless sheep who demand conformity at all costs.Smokescreened84I am well aware of how passionate you are about lgbtqa issues, but insulting the intelligence of others who have an "outdated" opinion isn't going to help you gain their affection. There are numerous theists who disapprove of homosexual relationships that are a fvckload more mentally developed than I am. Let time run its course (unless you're dealing with a situation similar to that in Uganda).
I'm only bringing this up because I've seen you do this multiple times.
Edit: I'll add that the theist part that I included has absolutely nothing to do with someone's stance on homosexual activities. I simply included it to add in another opinion that gets ridiculed as belonging to "mentally under developed" people.
What's your point? If you're gay go do exactly that, nobody's stopping you unless you live in a **** country. Surely there are going to be people frowning upon it but what do you care?You said (or was it the other guy) to do it in private. You can't date in private. I said that nobody will give a **** if you do it privately. (I meant the sex part but anyway) If you don't give a **** wether they give a **** or not, you can do it whenever/wherever you want. There seems to be a newb post limit btw so I can't post that often.[QUOTE="kalparun"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Are you eating your steaks in a normal setting or on a candle lit table as the band plays your partners favourite song?
toast_burner
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] Considering that medical officials are usually heterosexuals who are not trans-gender, then I don't put any value on their nonsense. They don't have to live with the constant discomfort and horror of being trapped in the wrong physical sex and forced to be a lie, nature was pretty kind to them. Being trans-gender is not a mental illness, it's a living hell.Smokescreened84There is an issue with your brain when you fell like you are in the wrong body and it's as soon as you are born or at least after 5 years it fully comes into play, that is a MENTAL ILLNESS that is ABNORMAL. No, it's not abnormal, it's called self awareness. The self awareness that we all have kicks in at a young age, for some it can be when they're about two years old, some at a later age. At such a young age though we do not understand exactly why we feel as we do, we just feel it. For those who are born trans-gender it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within. Trans-gender is not a choice, it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness, it's just one of those random acts of nature as everything else. But that simple fact is too complicated for non-trans-gender to understand.
"it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
The salty tears of haters is delicious.
Can't wait 'till they're looked at with the same distain as racists.
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"]What's happening today is narrow minded losers hating on something they are too immature and mentally under developed to understand, most homophobes are noted as being closest homosexuals themselves and are too fearful of themselves and of not being like the mindless sheep who demand conformity at all costs.-Toshy-I am well aware of how passionate you are about lgbtqa issues, but insulting the intelligence of others who have an "outdated" opinion isn't going to help you gain their affection. There are numerous theists who disapprove of homosexual relationships that are a fvckload more mentally developed than I am. Let time run its course (unless you're dealing with a situation similar to that in Uganda).
I'm only bringing this up because I've seen you do this multiple times. I can't help getting annoyed after the amount of sheer ignorance and hatred I keep seeing every single day towards anyone who doesn't fit into a lifestyle and sexuality that isn't who they are. When you get countries like Uganda who want all homosexuals murdered, countries like Russia that want homosexuals and trans-genders murdered, a lot of the US and Europe who are set on the complete destruction of anyone who isn't heterosexual then it's pretty hard to feel any compassion for those who are determined to be as ignorant and hateful as possible without taking the time to learn and understand the simple fact that difference is natural and always has been, and always will be. It's the 21st century and instead of finding ways to try and be a species that lives in peace for a change and doesn't follow the twisted take on religion that is always used to spread hatred and ignorance while many are being killed, we are still trying to destroy anyone who doesn't conform to the demands of those who can't stand difference of any kind. Same sex marriage will simply help the economy while giving rights to same sex couples so that they can share the same rights as heterosexuals have, the world won't end because a homosexual man or woman can visit their loved one in hospital, the world won't end if homosexual men and women can say 'I do' to the one they love. Very little will change other than the human race taking a step towards social maturity.
No because then there wouldn't be any gay people. So if fred like chocolate icecream and everyone in his countries like vanilla, he can easily reject vanilla but could still develop thoughts about trying it, does that mean he is vanillagay?[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
ever though that being straight was also a choice?
Aljosa23
ever though that being straight was also a choice?
kingkong0124
Was it a difficult choice, KK?
The thing is that I don't hate gays. I don't give a damn about them, they can marry and *** in public for all I care. They are the ones who're actively trying to make me LIKE them by trying to guilt me with politically correct labels. The thing is, I have a natural wariness when it comes to ANYBODY who's a stranger to me and gays are not an exception. Really, saying you don't like a gay person JUST BECAUSE is like you're Hitler. It's the same crap with feminists and soon: fat people.The salty tears of haters is delicious.
Can't wait 'till they're looked at with the same distain as racists.
MakeMeaSammitch
No, it's not abnormal, it's called self awareness. The self awareness that we all have kicks in at a young age, for some it can be when they're about two years old, some at a later age. At such a young age though we do not understand exactly why we feel as we do, we just feel it. For those who are born trans-gender it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within. Trans-gender is not a choice, it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness, it's just one of those random acts of nature as everything else. But that simple fact is too complicated for non-trans-gender to understand.[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="PresidentKing"] There is an issue with your brain when you fell like you are in the wrong body and it's as soon as you are born or at least after 5 years it fully comes into play, that is a MENTAL ILLNESS that is ABNORMAL.kalparun
"it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else.[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]The thing is that I don't hate gays. I don't give a damn about them, they can marry and *** in public for all I care. They are the ones who're actively trying to make me LIKE them by trying to guilt me with politically correct labels. The thing is, I have a natural wariness when it comes to ANYBODY who's a stranger to me and gays are not an exception. Really, saying you don't like a gay person JUST BECAUSE is like you're Hitler It's the same crap with feminists and soon: fat people.I was just making a general statement.The salty tears of haters is delicious.
Can't wait 'till they're looked at with the same distain as racists.
kalparun
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]No because then there wouldn't be any gay people. So if fred like chocolate icecream and everyone in his countries like vanilla, he can easily reject vanilla but could still develop thoughts about trying it, does that mean he is vanillagay? That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever heard. Your parents must be proud[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
ever though that being straight was also a choice?
PresidentKing
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]No because I'm not an idiot.Sexuality can be a choice, can be influenced by choices, and surroundings can also have an effect as well. because being straight or not is a PREFERENCE and thus can change during certain stages. You can be attracted to a male if you are male, then start looking at woman, if you choose to further explore woman then it is possible your attraction in males could fade. or heck maybe you are only attracted to males that have faces and (try0 to have body like woman. Or heck maybe you might just like and support attraction for it because you were grown with nothing but a neighborhoos and school full of homosexuals, and thus even though you prefer woman, you have a slight attraction to men as well.] Saying there is no choice is beyond stupid because it's a preference. If fred does not like vanilla milkshakes, he can choose to keep trying(or try different brands) of vanilla shake, or he could ignore it and continue with chocolate. Which could be fine, or he could start hvaing thoughts about wanting to try it and start fighting it. So yes it's a choice. Threads like these become a broken record. Sexuality is not a choice, it is defined from before we are born and kicks in when our mental development comes to terms with the feelings we have towards other adults, be they of the same sex or opposite. No one wakes up and decides what their sexuality will be, if they did then most people would choose to be the sexuality that won't get them attacked by hateful fools, that won't restrict their lives and won't result in them being likely disowned by family. All humans would choose to be heterosexual if sexuality was a choice, it would be less hassle and less stress since there would be no attacks on them for being the same as everyone else. But it isn't a choice, it never has been. While we can choose to try a particular food item and enjoy it or hate it, we can not choose who we fall in love with. Life is not so clear cut as that. Saying it's a choice shows a great deal of insecurity of oneself. You are not born straight or Gay what your surroundings are and what mental choices YOU MAKE early determine what you end up being. You have no disproven that theory ONCE not ONCE. You just use a circular argument. You have not once shown how it was not a CHOICE. It's a CHOICE that can't be so easily changed after you make it yes but it is still a choice. Not to mention you are a complete failure with logic. You say they would choose the sexuality of the one they won't get attacked? Well black people could have been chosen to be white skinned for nearly 50 years now and they haven't done it so are black people just dumb by your logic or is your logic wrong /thread.Even if you prove sexuality isn't biological, that stil doesn't make it a choice.
Smokescreened84
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]No because then there wouldn't be any gay people. So if fred like chocolate icecream and everyone in his countries like vanilla, he can easily reject vanilla but could still develop thoughts about trying it, does that mean he is vanillagay?[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]
ever though that being straight was also a choice?
PresidentKing
[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] No, it's not abnormal, it's called self awareness. The self awareness that we all have kicks in at a young age, for some it can be when they're about two years old, some at a later age. At such a young age though we do not understand exactly why we feel as we do, we just feel it. For those who are born trans-gender it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within. Trans-gender is not a choice, it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness, it's just one of those random acts of nature as everything else. But that simple fact is too complicated for non-trans-gender to understand.Smokescreened84
"it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else. You're such a victim of the world aren't you? How do you know you're mental health has been just fine? Stop being a hypocrite. You're looking to cut your own penis[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] No, it's not abnormal, it's called self awareness. The self awareness that we all have kicks in at a young age, for some it can be when they're about two years old, some at a later age. At such a young age though we do not understand exactly why we feel as we do, we just feel it. For those who are born trans-gender it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within. Trans-gender is not a choice, it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness, it's just one of those random acts of nature as everything else. But that simple fact is too complicated for non-trans-gender to understand.Smokescreened84
"it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else. So wait you haver this problem to? Well then your mentally ill. For the simpe fact that there's an issue with your mental state having a conflict with your body which means your are in some way mentally unstable illness or not, so uh, durr.The thing is that I don't hate gays. I don't give a damn about them, they can marry and *** in public for all I care. They are the ones who're actively trying to make me LIKE them by trying to guilt me with politically correct labels. The thing is, I have a natural wariness when it comes to ANYBODY who's a stranger to me and gays are not an exception. Really, saying you don't like a gay person JUST BECAUSE is like you're Hitler It's the same crap with feminists and soon: fat people.I was just making a general statement. I know broseph, me too.[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
The salty tears of haters is delicious.
Can't wait 'till they're looked at with the same distain as racists.
MakeMeaSammitch
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="kalparun"]I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else. You're such a victim of the world aren't you? How do you know you're mental health has been just fine? Stop being a hypocrite. You're looking to cut your own penis Using his own logic he has a choice to cut it off. So why would he not choose to be male since that is the gender that gets the most respect and is not treated inferior? Dang the self-ownage with him."it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
kalparun
I was just making a general statement. I know broseph, me too.Related note: fat people need to learn self discipline.[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
[QUOTE="kalparun"] The thing is that I don't hate gays. I don't give a damn about them, they can marry and *** in public for all I care. They are the ones who're actively trying to make me LIKE them by trying to guilt me with politically correct labels. The thing is, I have a natural wariness when it comes to ANYBODY who's a stranger to me and gays are not an exception. Really, saying you don't like a gay person JUST BECAUSE is like you're Hitler It's the same crap with feminists and soon: fat people.kalparun
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]No because then there wouldn't be any gay people.Ring_of_fireSo if fred like chocolate icecream and everyone in his countries like vanilla, he can easily reject vanilla but could still develop thoughts about trying it, does that mean he is vanillagay? That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever heard. Your parents must be proud Yeah... I'm still not sure what exactly the analogy was there....
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"] Threads like these become a broken record. Sexuality is not a choice, it is defined from before we are born and kicks in when our mental development comes to terms with the feelings we have towards other adults, be they of the same sex or opposite. No one wakes up and decides what their sexuality will be, if they did then most people would choose to be the sexuality that won't get them attacked by hateful fools, that won't restrict their lives and won't result in them being likely disowned by family. All humans would choose to be heterosexual if sexuality was a choice, it would be less hassle and less stress since there would be no attacks on them for being the same as everyone else. But it isn't a choice, it never has been. While we can choose to try a particular food item and enjoy it or hate it, we can not choose who we fall in love with. Life is not so clear cut as that. Saying it's a choice shows a great deal of insecurity of oneself.
You are not born straight or Gay what your surroundings are and what mental choices YOU MAKE early determine what you end up being. You have no disproven that theory ONCE not ONCE. You just use a circular argument. You have not once shown how it was not a CHOICE. It's a CHOICE that can't be so easily changed after you make it yes but it is still a choice. Not to mention you are a complete failure with logic. You say they would choose the sexuality of the one they won't get attacked? Well black people could have been chosen to be white skinned for nearly 50 years now and they haven't done it so are black people just dumb by your logic or is your logic wrong /thread. Sexuality is not a choice, how many times do I have to say that? How many times does such a simple fact have to be said before it is finally heard? Did you choose to be heterosexual? No, no one chooses and no one can. Maybe in some dim witted movie they can, but that's movies. In real life we do not choose our sexuality, we do not choose who we are as a person. What we experience in life can have an effect, like how we might be towards others when it comes to trust or the kind of foods we'll enjoy the most, how music can make us feel. But we can never choose our sexuality. There are those who are born with a different skin who wish they had been given the choice of skin colour, in the pre-equal rights era for those with different colour skin there were many who wished they had been born white skinned so that they weren't looked down on and treated poorly for not being white skinned. It is still common enough today for some who are born dark skinned since they feel that no matter how hard they try to prove themselves in the world, they still feel that they are regarded as less than dirt by white skinned men who haven't accepted the fact that a person's skin colour does not determine the person within. In life we never get any really important choices when it comes to how we are born, who we might love when we're older, our own unique personalities. I definitely didn't get a choice when I was being conceived back in the late 70s, I would have loved a list of options so that I could have chosen. I would have chosen: Sex: Female - instead of being born with a male body Gender: Female - which I already am, but in a male body Sexuality: Heterosexual - Instead of coming to terms with my being bi-sexual Interests: Science Fiction, Reading, Old Movies, Classical Music, Nature - thankfully those are things I'm interested in, video games were something I learned and Transformers were something I was introduced to Artistic Skills: Music, Drawing, Painting, Writing - all I got was writing. Dislikes: Narrow minds, alcohol, smoking, drugs, violence, war. Disinterest in: Sex. No such list appeared though, no such list appears for anyone. There are many things we have no choice in and sexuality is one of those things. And I'd choose to be the princess of england. Deal with what you get and try to improve the rest of you, you little baby.[QUOTE="kalparun"] You are not born straight or Gay what your surroundings are and what mental choices YOU MAKE early determine what you end up being. You have no disproven that theory ONCE not ONCE. You just use a circular argument. You have not once shown how it was not a CHOICE. It's a CHOICE that can't be so easily changed after you make it yes but it is still a choice. Not to mention you are a complete failure with logic. You say they would choose the sexuality of the one they won't get attacked? Well black people could have been chosen to be white skinned for nearly 50 years now and they haven't done it so are black people just dumb by your logic or is your logic wrong /thread.
Sexuality is not a choice, how many times do I have to say that? How many times does such a simple fact have to be said before it is finally heard? Did you choose to be heterosexual? No, no one chooses and no one can. Maybe in some dim witted movie they can, but that's movies. In real life we do not choose our sexuality, we do not choose who we are as a person. What we experience in life can have an effect, like how we might be towards others when it comes to trust or the kind of foods we'll enjoy the most, how music can make us feel. But we can never choose our sexuality. There are those who are born with a different skin who wish they had been given the choice of skin colour, in the pre-equal rights era for those with different colour skin there were many who wished they had been born white skinned so that they weren't looked down on and treated poorly for not being white skinned. It is still common enough today for some who are born dark skinned since they feel that no matter how hard they try to prove themselves in the world, they still feel that they are regarded as less than dirt by white skinned men who haven't accepted the fact that a person's skin colour does not determine the person within. In life we never get any really important choices when it comes to how we are born, who we might love when we're older, our own unique personalities. I definitely didn't get a choice when I was being conceived back in the late 70s, I would have loved a list of options so that I could have chosen. I would have chosen: Sex: Female - instead of being born with a male body Gender: Female - which I already am, but in a male body Sexuality: Heterosexual - Instead of coming to terms with my being bi-sexual Interests: Science Fiction, Reading, Old Movies, Classical Music, Nature - thankfully those are things I'm interested in, video games were something I learned and Transformers were something I was introduced to Artistic Skills: Music, Drawing, Painting, Writing - all I got was writing. Dislikes: Narrow minds, alcohol, smoking, drugs, violence, war. Disinterest in: Sex. No such list appeared though, no such list appears for anyone. There are many things we have no choice in and sexuality is one of those things. And I'd choose to be the princess of england. Deal with what you get and try to improve the rest of you, you little baby. You would want a life where you're pestered by the media and probably one day hounded to your death by journalistic life suckers determined to ply into everything you do in life? Well if that's what you want, go for it. Only those who don't have the slightest idea on how life is for those who don't fit into a narrow ideal of life say 'deal with it'. You have no idea of the reality.Please Log In to post.
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