We should be happy that g@y marriage is becoming a thing
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what you go forward with a what you avoid can have an effectAlso it's not natural "physically" to be gay since there is not one part in gay "intercourse" that does could not have some possible consequence at some timePresidentKing
HUH?
TECHNICALLY gay people are not having sex.PresidentKinglol
Crazy people...
[QUOTE="PresidentKing"]what you go forward with a what you avoid can have an effect
Also it's not natural "physically" to be gay since there is not one part in gay "intercourse" that does could not have some possible consequence at some timeTeenaged
HUH?
TECHNICALLY gay people are not having sex.PresidentKinglol
Crazy people...
technically str8 sex with rubber isn't sex either seems.[QUOTE="PresidentKing"]what you go forward with a what you avoid can have an effect
Also it's not natural "physically" to be gay since there is not one part in gay "intercourse" that does could not have some possible consequence at some timeTeenaged
HUH?
TECHNICALLY gay people are not having sex.PresidentKinglol
Crazy people...
Don;t know what Sex is I see. Also how is it natural to shove a penile down an anal shute? Yeah, it's not, so it's not physically natural to be gay lol. wow.
Smokescreened84, it would be best if you ignored those two. Your words are worthless in their view. There's no convincing them.ghoklebutterIndeed. I think I'll just report them, they've not listened to any of the facts explained.
[QUOTE="kalparun"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] No, it's not abnormal, it's called self awareness. The self awareness that we all have kicks in at a young age, for some it can be when they're about two years old, some at a later age. At such a young age though we do not understand exactly why we feel as we do, we just feel it. For those who are born trans-gender it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within. Trans-gender is not a choice, it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness, it's just one of those random acts of nature as everything else. But that simple fact is too complicated for non-trans-gender to understand.Smokescreened84
"it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else. You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Smokescreened84, it would be best if you ignored those two. Your words are worthless in their view. There's no convincing them.Smokescreened84Indeed. I think I'll just report them, they've not listened to any of the facts explained. kind of how you ignored my facts and ignored facts pointing to the fact you are classified as OFFICIALLy mental ill and still have not come up with "facts" that show how homosexuality is not a choice and instead put them along with your issue which in turn is saying that homosexuals are mentally ill, when that is exactly why a lot of them are pissed in the first place. So uh, you should report yourself for ignoring evidence show to you. It may be your opinion you are a guy fine, but putting homosexuals with your issue would in the PUBLICS eye have them marked as mentally ill because officially your issue is. The funny part is that's the only reason so far you have given for homosexuality not being a choice when the two are factually not related. definition of fact? there's this thing called a dictionary.
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Smokescreened84, it would be best if you ignored those two. Your words are worthless in their view. There's no convincing them.PresidentKingIndeed. I think I'll just report them, they've not listened to any of the facts explained.still have not come up with "facts" that show how homosexuality is not a choice. how dense are you
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Smokescreened84, it would be best if you ignored those two. Your words are worthless in their view. There's no convincing them.Smokescreened84Indeed. I think I'll just report them, they've not listened to any of the facts explained. You're reporting someone for having beliefs that you dislike?
What the hell have I just walked into?
meconate
My thoughts exactly. Let me walk out before I lose any more brain cells.
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Smokescreened84, it would be best if you ignored those two. Your words are worthless in their view. There's no convincing them.Smokescreened84Indeed. I think I'll just report them, they've not listened to any of the facts explained. Eh, that's not necessary. Just stop talking to them.
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Smokescreened84, it would be best if you ignored those two. Your words are worthless in their view. There's no convincing them.meconateIndeed. I think I'll just report them, they've not listened to any of the facts explained. Reporting someone because they don't agree with you? Wow... O_o But I am the one narrowminded?:lol:
[QUOTE="kalparun"]Homosexuality is not a choice: "The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals. Nor is homosexuality a matter of individual choice. Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice garbed in psychological accouterments." Can we please end this fallacy. http://teachthefacts.org/resources-professionalorgs.htmlPresidentKingNot taking to account environment and people that start gaining those feeling after birth. you are not bron gay if you are born gay that doesn't make sense. Early in life your surroundings, the morals you choose to listen, and the people you pay attention to the most and the ways you do it build you into the person you end up being. I am not saying it's a choice as in I woke up a chose this. otherwise, all black people are dumb for not deciding to bleach their skin white. It's an early choice, is it possible to change what you build from early in life? yes, is it easy? no, its much much harder than getting the 50 pack smoker to quit. however it is possible. But, it is based on early activity, you are not born gay I know gays that would lynch you for saying that. You are also not born straight. That isn't even a thing yet when you are born. rofl, you have no idea what you're talking about it's like there all these words in your brain and you've mixed them all
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="kalparun"]I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else. You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that. You will be ignored and reported. Even though this is true, there's also another issue for transgenders on both sides, once you go through with whatever surgery, there is a chance the mentally instability can die off or fade to a point where you start regretting what you did, unlike homosexuality, which is a choice, that can be changed, however, with transgenders sand surgery by that time there will be nothing you can do to be a fully functional male/female again and that's when the real depression happens."it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
lightleggy
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="kalparun"]I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else. You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that. I am mentally healthy, if I wasn't then I would have already been under close examination years ago. Trans-gender is very real. There are things I won't be able to experience, sadly. But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant, gender is a fluid thing that isn't just connected to reproduction. After all there are women in the world who are infertile and unable to ever be pregnant, to ever bear a child, does that make them any less of a woman? I always wish and have always wished that my body would become female in full so that i wouldn't keep feeling uncomfortable and hollow within a male body, I've never been able to identify as male even when I used to pretend in order to hide myself. Coming to accept myself took years and accepting the risks and dangers of the surgery and hormone replacement therapy took a fair bit of time since it is terrifying, but I would rather face those risks and dangers than pretend to be the man I'm not. Pretending to be a man within when I don't identify as male is very damaging and emotionally and mentally distressing. Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as."it's a feeling that something's not right and that feeling continues to grow as well as our developing self image of who we know we are within."
"it's not abnormal and it's not a mental illness"
1. You're throwing around buzzwords
2. It is a mental illness according to the same people who give the very definition of the phrase. If you have your own definition, it doesn't really matter.
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normaldevelopment of a person's culture.
lightleggy
you literally just said there's more to being female than being female. But then you would not understand her since you are a guy and would not actually know what it would feel like to actually be female. But from what I am gathering, you would still say the same thing to females, who are actually female. Making you look like a nutjob. Also females have organs males don't infertile or not.....But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant
KEY WORD BEING "YOU"!!!!!!! Your brain makes you believe you are in a body you do not identify with due to the fact there is something going on in your brain that is abnormal, thus you are having a MENTAL issue and you are a Guy. You can't change LIFE rules for DCing. Also you were born a guy, thus you are a guy, you are pretending to be female, and yes, once you go through with whatever, you are still pretending to be female, because having **** cut off and shoving a fake hole does not make you a female all of a sudden. That just offends females, mr. i don't offend anyone.Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.
[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"] I'm mentally healthy, thank you very much. My mental health has been just fine since I finally accepted myself and stopped pretending to be a depressed, suicidal lie as society demanded because of the junk I was sadly born with between my legs, junk that I intend on having removed. I don't give a fudge if my being different from 'normals' is offensive to anyone, they aren't the ones living my life. Hate all you want, it's no skin off my nose. Only I know what it's like to be me, no one else.Smokescreened84You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that. I am mentally healthy, if I wasn't then I would have already been under close examination years ago. Trans-gender is very real. There are things I won't be able to experience, sadly. But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant, gender is a fluid thing that isn't just connected to reproduction. After all there are women in the world who are infertile and unable to ever be pregnant, to ever bear a child, does that make them any less of a woman? I always wish and have always wished that my body would become female in full so that i wouldn't keep feeling uncomfortable and hollow within a male body, I've never been able to identify as male even when I used to pretend in order to hide myself. Coming to accept myself took years and accepting the risks and dangers of the surgery and hormone replacement therapy took a fair bit of time since it is terrifying, but I would rather face those risks and dangers than pretend to be the man I'm not. Pretending to be a man within when I don't identify as male is very damaging and emotionally and mentally distressing. Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.
Cool story and all, except that transgender is classified as a mental illness, you are trying to say that it was an error that you were born a male, even though your genitals are perfectly formed (I Assume they are) and have no problem whatsoever, your brain is also that of a male, and it originally produced male hormones, there was no error, you were born a male, the only error is your mind trying to tell you that "you are not a male".
And yes, there are infertile women, and guess what? most of them feel terrible about that and seek many ways to treat it and to cope with such an unfortunate condition, I dont want to be harsh to you, but you wont feel any better in a "girl's body" like I said you will never have a vagina you will have a mutilated penis no amount of surgery will ever give you a vagina.
Im not gonna stop you from performing said operation, it is your right, all im saying is that you ARE classified as a mentally unstable person (as much as you say that you are mentally healthy) and that your choice doesnt actually make sense, because there is nothing wrong with your body, only with your mind, trying to convince you that there was some error.
I am mentally healthy, if I wasn't then I would have already been under close examination years ago. Trans-gender is very real. There are things I won't be able to experience, sadly. But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant, gender is a fluid thing that isn't just connected to reproduction. After all there are women in the world who are infertile and unable to ever be pregnant, to ever bear a child, does that make them any less of a woman? I always wish and have always wished that my body would become female in full so that i wouldn't keep feeling uncomfortable and hollow within a male body, I've never been able to identify as male even when I used to pretend in order to hide myself. Coming to accept myself took years and accepting the risks and dangers of the surgery and hormone replacement therapy took a fair bit of time since it is terrifying, but I would rather face those risks and dangers than pretend to be the man I'm not. Pretending to be a man within when I don't identify as male is very damaging and emotionally and mentally distressing. Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] You are not mentally healthy, for the simple fact that your mind is conflicting with your body, your mind doesnt want to accept that you were born a male, that is being mentally unstable, go on and ask any psychiatrist about it. and better enjoy being a man because you can actually do it, no matter how many surgeries you have you will never be able to feel the joy a woman would feel when carrying a life inside of her, nor will you ever understand why girls feel so depressed during their period, you wont understand anything, you would just be an empty shell. sure you can have a vagina but being a woman is far more than simply having a hole between your legs, no amount of surgery will change that.lightleggy
Cool story and all, except that transgender is classified as a mental illness, you are trying to say that it was an error that you were born a male, even though your genitals are perfectly formed (I Assume they are) and have no problem whatsoever, your brain is also that of a male, and it originally produced male hormones, there was no error, you were born a male, the only error is your mind trying to tell you that "you are not a male".
And yes, there are infertile women, and guess what? most of them feel terrible about that and seek many ways to treat it and to cope with such an unfortunate condition, I dont want to be harsh to you, but you wont feel any better in a "girl's body" like I said you will never have a vagina you will have a mutilated penis no amount of surgery will ever give you a vagina.
Im not gonna stop you from performing said operation, it is your right, all im saying is that you ARE classified as a mentally unstable person (as much as you say that you are mentally healthy) and that your choice doesnt actually make sense, because there is nothing wrong with your body, only with your mind, trying to convince you that there was some error.
Think of it as your brain running Windows Vista early release instead of Windows Xp pro or Windows 7.you literally just said there's more to being female than being female. But then you would not understand her since you are a guy and would not actually know what it would feel like to actually be female. But from what I am gathering, you would still say the same thing to females, who are actually female. Making you look like a nutjob. Also females have organs males don't infertile or not.....But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant
KEY WORD BEING "YOU"!!!!!!! Your brain makes you believe you are in a body you do not identify with due to the fact there is something going on in your brain that is abnormal, thus you are having a MENTAL issue and you are a Guy. You can't change LIFE rules for DCing. Also you were born a guy, thus you are a guy, you are pretending to be female, and yes, once you go through with whatever, you are still pretending to be female, because having **** cut off and shoving a fake hole does not make you a female all of a sudden. That just offends females, mr. i don't offend anyone. I couldn't have said it any better. also Smoke, please tell me what being a woman is all about. your vagina will pretty much just be a hole where you pee from and where you will have intercouse, plain intercouse, in other words its just a hole, it wont perform any function that an actual vagina can perform. No wonder why most of my female friends hate transgenders, because they actually feel offended to see someone not accepting the body they were born with and trying to be "female" no amount of surgery will make you a female, that is something you have to understand, and if your brain tries to convince you that there is something wrong with your body even though your body is perfectly healthy from a medical point, then you have a mental issue.Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.
I am curious to know why so many transgender people want to change their body type to match their gender when they also say that gender is separate/independent of body type. I don't see the point of going to the trouble.LaihendiWhen their brains run on Vistas unstable release, you have to up- MS jokes aside, the issue is that thye can never actually gain even near the level to be what their brain is telling them to, so them trying to change their body makes no sense at all. The other part is political correctness to maintain control.
smh dave123321:lol:
you literally just said there's more to being female than being female. But then you would not understand her since you are a guy and would not actually know what it would feel like to actually be female. But from what I am gathering, you would still say the same thing to females, who are actually female. Making you look like a nutjob. Also females have organs males don't infertile or not.....But there's more to female than periods and being pregnant
KEY WORD BEING "YOU"!!!!!!! Your brain makes you believe you are in a body you do not identify with due to the fact there is something going on in your brain that is abnormal, thus you are having a MENTAL issue and you are a Guy. You can't change LIFE rules for DCing. Also you were born a guy, thus you are a guy, you are pretending to be female, and yes, once you go through with whatever, you are still pretending to be female, because having **** cut off and shoving a fake hole does not make you a female all of a sudden. That just offends females, mr. i don't offend anyone. I couldn't have said it any better. also Smoke, please tell me what being a woman is all about. your vagina will pretty much just be a hole where you pee from and where you will have intercouse, plain intercouse, in other words its just a hole, it wont perform any function that an actual vagina can perform. No wonder why most of my female friends hate transgenders, because they actually feel offended to see someone not accepting the body they were born with and trying to be "female" no amount of surgery will make you a female, that is something you have to understand, and if your brain tries to convince you that there is something wrong with your body even though your body is perfectly healthy from a medical point, then you have a mental issue. I guess he's trying to aesthetically change his body. Like doing a piercing. You don't do it because you think you're sick, you do it because you like your body better that way. He's not trying to cure something.Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to live with when the body doesn't match the gender you identify as.
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