What are your thought on worldwide banning of Anime porn?

reduced to 15, 12 with parental consent.

umm im not buying into watching into a shop and buying shower room girls with my parent

killerkool07

It's lolicon hentai only, right? Never been a fan of it. That said, this whole "worldwide ban" seems pretty silly over a set of drawings.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] No, because they hurt other people. Lolicon however does not hurt anyone. black_cat19

Self-mutilation hurts other people? Bestiality hurts other people?

Child porn (lolicon or otherwise) should not be encouraged (regardless of who is hurt in the process) and it is not society that should have to mold to the wants and whims of pedophiles.

It's not child porn, no child is being hurt, abused, or even engaging in sexual behaviour, for that matter... And it doesn't turn people into pedophiles or child molesters, that's the same logic as saying violent video games are only played by murderers and turn people into serial killers...

Are you saying that if I look at a picture of a fictional animal and get turned on by it, it's not zoophilia? The very existence of the piece as a child shows that it is pedophilia, made for for people attracted to children having sex--regardless of whether or not it is fictional, only pedophiles are attracted to children.

I'm all for banning Lolicon but why are they banning adult hentai?

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Just like how marijuana is illegalized right? The US has higher rates of use than the Netherlands, Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world, yet if you ask any Westerner on their opinion of the country, you get stuff like "the most perverted country on the planet, panties in vending machines, tentacle rape!!" - it has been proven time and time again, stricter laws leads to the opposite of its intentions. Self-mutilation - you are hurting yourself. I would decriminalize it though, unless these people are putting themselves in hospitals. Bestiality - You are doing it with an animal without its consent.Theokhoth

Is it the stricter laws or the culture of the area in which the laws are placed? You're confusing correlation with causation.

Animals can consent; they have body language. Or are you saing a mute person can't consent to sex?

I'm cool with banning lolicon.

But not all hentai...not that I...not that I watch it or anything...

What about Japanese culture that would make rape less likely as opposed to... South Korean culture? As you can see, you can pretty much buy rape video games, rape manga, and watch rape anime, so why are the rape rates so low?Famiking

Are you saying that if I look at a picture of a fictional animal and get turned on by it, it's not zoophilia? The very existence of the piece as a child shows that it is pedophilia, made for for people attracted to children having sex--regardless of whether or not it is fictional, only pedophiles are attracted to children.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Just like how marijuana is illegalized right? The US has higher rates of use than the Netherlands, Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world, yet if you ask any Westerner on their opinion of the country, you get stuff like "the most perverted country on the planet, panties in vending machines, tentacle rape!!" - it has been proven time and time again, stricter laws leads to the opposite of its intentions. Self-mutilation - you are hurting yourself. I would decriminalize it though, unless these people are putting themselves in hospitals. Bestiality - You are doing it with an animal without its consent.Famiking

Is it the stricter laws or the culture of the area in which the laws are placed? You're confusing correlation with causation.

Animals can consent; they have body language. Or are you saing a mute person can't consent to sex?

Japanese culture is significantly different from American culture. It could be just about any aspect, from their emphasis on the collective to the way they dress schoolgirls. In any case, saying "this country allows it and everything is fine, therefore it would work everywhere" confuses correlation with causation; they don't have lower rape rates because they're more open about rape. Maybe they punish rapists more harshly, or maybe they tend to avoid rape because that would cast a seriously negative light on their community, which is highly emphasised in their culture, or or or. . .

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Are you saying that if I look at a picture of a fictional animal and get turned on by it, it's not zoophilia? The very existence of the piece as a child shows that it is pedophilia, made for for people attracted to children having sex--regardless of whether or not it is fictional, only pedophiles are attracted to children.

Famiking

We lock up mentally diseased people all the time. :| They should be treated for their disease, not encouraged.

I didn't cite the US, I cited South Korea.Famiking

I don't know anything about culture in South Korea. I don't know what they think about loli in South Korea. I don't live in South Korea. But the argument is essentially the same: culture is different.

Anime porn...? Is that some kind of sick, twisted joke, or for real? Who the hell would watch it?enterawesome

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Are you saying that if I look at a picture of a fictional animal and get turned on by it, it's not zoophilia? The very existence of the piece as a child shows that it is pedophilia, made for for people attracted to children having sex--regardless of whether or not it is fictional, only pedophiles are attracted to children.

Theokhoth

We lock up mentally diseased people all the time. :| They should be treated for their disease, not encouraged.

Anime porn...? Is that some kind of sick, twisted joke, or for real? Who the hell would watch it?enterawesome

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] Are you suggesting we lock up people who are simply attracted to children (which happens at birth, without choice, like homosexuality)? What can we do? It's a mental disease, not a crime.

Famiking

We lock up mentally diseased people all the time. :| They should be treated for their disease, not encouraged.

Since when are people only locked up for hurting others? If they're a danger to themselves, they're treated just like anybody else.

Comparing pillow punching to looking at children having sex is a bit of a leap in logic. If you're attracted to children, real or drawn, you're a pedophile: there is no exception, no flawed analogy you can use to justify it, no other thing you could possibly be: pedophiles are mentally diseased and their disease should be treated and not be encouraged by society, period.

...i don't see why parents don't watch their kids, or put internet blocks on certain sites.. i mean if a kid realy wants to see it he'll find a way..but why not try to minimize his exposure to it

Comparing pillow punching to looking at children having sex is a bit of a leap in logic. If you're attracted to children, real or drawn, you're a pedophile: there is no exception, no flawed analogy you can use to justify it, no other thing you could possibly be: pedophiles are mentally diseased and their disease should be treated and not be encouraged by society, period.

Theokhoth

Locking them up for victimless crimes is silly. The type of people that usually get locked up for mental diseases are usually ones who have already committed a crime anyway

When it portrays children in sex it should be illegal. If it portrays adults then I don't see anything wrong with it.AcronymnsFTW

Anime porn? I thought the topic was concentrated on lolis? Besides if they want to ban animated porn they should have done so with real porn. It seems that H-Loli titles are not just the target. But probably even loli characters in a usual Anime title (ex: Azumanga Daioh - Chiyo Mihama, Lucky Star - Yutaka Kobayakawa).

Still people should realize and know that:

- Education still works.

- Getting people around you to talk about their views and being open minded about it works.

- Learning self control with oneself is the hardest, but still the best one out there.

Just get those 3 running and it will help. Banning it will probably prompt people on looking at it out of curiosity.

No, it shouldn't be banned. Why people are so concerned about teh eval porn is beyond me. The legal age to buy porn IMO should be reduced to 15, 12 with parental consent. It's pretty sad that you can have sex around that age but can't buy porn... And this is coming from a non-porn watcher.Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"]No, it shouldn't be banned. Why people are so concerned about teh eval porn is beyond me. The legal age to buy porn IMO should be reduced to 15, 12 with parental consent. It's pretty sad that you can have sex around that age but can't buy porn... And this is coming from a non-porn watcher.SilentBlue34

[QUOTE="Famiking"]No, it shouldn't be banned. Why people are so concerned about teh eval porn is beyond me. The legal age to buy porn IMO should be reduced to 15, 12 with parental consent. It's pretty sad that you can have sex around that age but can't buy porn... And this is coming from a non-porn watcher.SilentBlue34

If there are kids in it, then yes it should be banned. Thats some weird ****.

vidplayer8

Heh, this thread made me recall on a topic that asked on why there were pornographic comics.

I explained simply that: "As long as people could draw and express their desires in art. Anything is possible."

I ended up getting the person angry like hell.

Destroy it with fire.

i was going to form an inteligent response....but i don't even know what this anime thing you speak of (Eyes dart side to side suspiciously)

mattisgod01

yes what is this anime you speak of this is truly a foreign word to me

Humans can have some weird tastes. If they like that kind of thing, let them. Fight the crime, not the fetish.Deadly_Fatalis

It's because the "fetish" could create the "crime". That's the problem and it is a good point. However, It makes a difference just by knowing what is right and wrong and what the consequences might be. This is what the person should always put into account at all times.

[QUOTE="Deadly_Fatalis"]Humans can have some weird tastes. If they like that kind of thing, let them. Fight the crime, not the fetish.aots_twilight

It's because the "fetish" could create the "crime". That's the problem and it is a good point. However, It makes a difference just by knowing what is right and wrong and what the consequences might be. This is what the person should always put into account at all times.

...i don't see why parents don't watch their kids, or put internet blocks on certain sites.. i mean if a kid realy wants to see it he'll find a way..but why not try to minimize his exposure to it

Chris_Williams

We have a 5 year old son. When he gets old enough to use a computer, the computer will be put in a high-traffic area of the house, such as the living room.

Of course that's not full-proof though. All we can do as a family is teach him and raise him with the love he deserves.

[QUOTE="aots_twilight"]

[QUOTE="Deadly_Fatalis"]Humans can have some weird tastes. If they like that kind of thing, let them. Fight the crime, not the fetish.Famiking

It's because the "fetish" could create the "crime". That's the problem and it is a good point. However, It makes a difference just by knowing what is right and wrong and what the consequences might be. This is what the person should always put into account at all times.

Yes, you can. If you are weak-minded then you lose. If you give in. Then you lose.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]No, it shouldn't be banned. Why people are so concerned about teh eval porn is beyond me. The legal age to buy porn IMO should be reduced to 15, 12 with parental consent. It's pretty sad that you can have sex around that age but can't buy porn... And this is coming from a non-porn watcher.mindstorm

Noooooo, don't ban it !

:/

Hahahahaha.

I really don't care either way.

On one hand, I hate it and I think it's wrong and sick. On the other hand, it's censoring and the less control the government has on art, the better. So I don't think it's a great idea.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="aots_twilight"]

It's because the "fetish" could create the "crime". That's the problem and it is a good point. However, It makes a difference just by knowing what is right and wrong and what the consequences might be. This is what the person should always put into account at all times.

aots_twilight

Yes, you can. If you are weak-minded then you lose. If you give in. Then you lose.

...i don't see why parents don't watch their kids, or put internet blocks on certain sites.. i mean if a kid realy wants to see it he'll find a way..but why not try to minimize his exposure to it

Chris_Williams

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Self-mutilation hurts other people? Bestiality hurts other people?

Child porn (lolicon or otherwise) should not be encouraged (regardless of who is hurt in the process) and it is not society that should have to mold to the wants and whims of pedophiles.

Theokhoth

It's not child porn, no child is being hurt, abused, or even engaging in sexual behaviour, for that matter... And it doesn't turn people into pedophiles or child molesters, that's the same logic as saying violent video games are only played by murderers and turn people into serial killers...

Are you saying that if I look at a picture of a fictional animal and get turned on by it, it's not zoophilia? The very existence of the piece as a child shows that it is pedophilia, made for for people attracted to children having sex--regardless of whether or not it is fictional, only pedophiles are attracted to children.

No, I'm not saying that, that would be zoophilia... But then are you saying if I play a violent videogame and have tons of fun splitting people in half I'm a murderer? It's not quite the same...

For one thing, girls in anime and hentai in general tend to look younger, they can look underage even when they have huge breasts drawn on them, and no one seems to complain there... Anyway, you could say it's an acquired taste to find anime girls attractive, (not hentai, just anime girls) they're drawn to be as "perfect" as you can imagine, they have big eyes, long legs, etc., and they're so stylized that they end up looking younger. So once you start liking these kind of stylized drawings of "fantasy girls", it's not really out of the question to start looking at the more "childish" of these drawings: they're cuter, they do away with the huge breasts, they have finer figures, and they're all around more feminine, they're really pretty. :P (Again, I'm not talking about lolicon, just "childish" anime girls)

All of the above are just drawings. Like I said, they're "fantasy girls", and just because you find them attractive or pretty doesn't change the fact that they're just drawings, you're just attracted to a certain aesthetic in these girl drawings. Then along comes a pervert and draws one of these fantasy girls having sex; if you're a bit of a pervert yourself you're going to like what you see, right? Because you liked these stylized drawings of girls in the first place. :P Then comes another pervert and draws one of the more "childish" of these fantasy girls having sex; even if you like it, that doesn't make you a pedophile, and it doesn't mean you suddenly like real girls, all you like is, again, this kind of stylized drawing, you like the anime aesthetic of these fantasy girls, nothing more.

I like anime, I like anime girls, I like hentai, and even though it's not my thing (I prefer regular hentai) I can see the appeal of lolicon, and that doesn't mean I'm a pedophile. I have never liked little girls, and I think real child porn is disgusting just as much as the next guy, I just like the anime aesthetic and thus can see the appeal lolicon has for some people, that's it, it's as simple as separating reality from fiction.

Also, you could hardly say the girls in lolicon are kids, they may look childish, but from what I've seen (admittedly I'm no expert, though, I prefer hentai) they act like horny adults. They're perfectly aware of what they're doing, they enjoy it, and they even seek it, they're not being abused. Most of the lolicon I've come across has these "little girls" almost forcing the guy they're with to have sex, not the other way around (yeah, maybe all of that is disgusting, but that's not the point), and you could hardly call that a realistic depiction of children... Hence, fictional, and thus pretty harmless, regardless of whether people find it acceptable or not.

Now, I can't speak for everyone, of course there must be pedophiles out there who love lolicon, but I just don't think watching lolicon instantly makes someone a pedophile, nor does it turn people into pedophiles. That's just the way I see it, like some people are saying, fight the crime, not the fetish. :P

I'm not sure if I made my point clear, I hope that wasn't just a mindless rant...

[QUOTE="aots_twilight"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] You can't fight it though, it's inevitable.Famiking

Yes, you can. If you are weak-minded then you lose. If you give in. Then you lose.

If that is true, then the majority of people would probably be at fault. This problem falls as one of the 7 sins.

Lust.

Whether it be young or old the act is the same. If they can't put up their resolve to fight temptation then they fail.

I couldn't care less (yeah got it right).

I think it's ridiculous anyway.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="aots_twilight"]

Yes, you can. If you are weak-minded then you lose. If you give in. Then you lose.

aots_twilight

If that is true, then the majority of people would probably be at fault. This problem falls as one of the 7 sins.

Lust.

Whether it be young or old the act is the same. If they can't put up their resolve to fight temptation then they fail.