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Child stuff, I'm against, but... just banning hentai flat-out is basically the same thing as banning normal porn, stupid. If people (like me) still want it, they're gonna get it, it's that simple. You can't stop human nature. Or anime-human/furry nature.
[QUOTE="aots_twilight"][QUOTE="Famiking"] How can you fight something that's going to be there no matter what? You can fight the crime - because it can be reduced. However, the % of pedophiles alive will always be the same unless you kill them all or something, and kill all the ones that come after. You are pretty much putting people in jail for something that happened against their will.Famiking
If that is true, then the majority of people would probably be at fault. This problem falls as one of the 7 sins.
Lust.
Whether it be young or old the act is the same. If they can't put up their resolve to fight temptation then they fail.
They fail, but they didn't hurt anyone (lolicon). Much better than failing and causing a lot of damage in the process (child porn).Hmm... A child being a victim of such acts is quite devestating if that is what you mean. Scarred for life.
You see, I had an relationship with someone "younger" than me. We were 4 years apart but we did love each other. She was in high school and I was in college. So I had some experience with regards to this.
[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]Or hey how about THIS CRAZY RIDICULOUS CONCEPT. You raise the kid right, do your job as a parent, and if he's in to it so be it. If he asks you what the eff "loli" or whatever is, just tell him and say you think it's disgusting. Crazy idea...*drumrollllllll*.........what if you...........raised your kid to be an independent thinker? *gasp from crowd*...i don't see why parents don't watch their kids, or put internet blocks on certain sites.. i mean if a kid realy wants to see it he'll find a way..but why not try to minimize his exposure to it
fatzebra
Not sure what you are trying to get at with this comment.
Watching your kids is doing your job as a parent.
Knowing where your kids are at all times is doing your job as a parent.
Knowing what your kids are doing is doing your job as parent.
Blocking Internet sites you do not want your children on is doing your job as a parent. There are many reasons for this. I'll just name one most people do not think about. Viruses! I really do not want viruses on my PC I paid for and built. Not sure about you though. Can't be too careful on the Internet these days. There are many other reasons, but I'll leave you with that one since most people have an easier time understanding.
Guess what, you can still do all the things above and your children are still going to grow up to be independent thinkers.
People segregate against pedophiles too much anyways, Lolicon 4 Evar.
What? You obviously have no children, nieces, nephews, or small siblings.People need to understand the difference from reality and fiction, lolicon isn't effecting anyone.. It's actually giving people jobs..
People segregate against pedophiles too much anyways, Lolicon 4 Evar.
Yandere
LOL
I never thought I'd see a comment like that in this kind of forum, you'll probably get flamed to death. I'm not really into lolicon but I respect that you're so open about it. Go you! :P
[QUOTE="Yandere"]What? You obviously have no children, nieces, nephews, or small siblings.People segregate against pedophiles too much anyways, Lolicon 4 Evar.
Second_Rook
Pffh, if someone likes older women that must mean that they don't have parents/aunts/uncles?
I find loli really creepy and am incredibly grossed out by it, but I don't think it should be banned. While I'm concerned about the mental state of the people who draw and enjoy it, drawings are not real and don't actually hurt anybody.SkylinePigeon
True, it's just a personal taste.. I don't understand why people care what someone else likes when it doesn't effect anyone around them.
Children pornography is disgusting. THAT should be illegal.ChiddalingThat's one of the things about the psychological aspect of the issue though. One of the biggest problems about the trade of child pornography is that with it's success, children will be forced into the business and that will really mess up their mentality. However, with things like "that", there are no children used in the process because they're all make-believe, and therefore it could potentially act as a means of relief for people who have such crude fetishes, rather than being obligated into other means of gratification. Yes, it's disgusting in and of itself, but there are much more potent dangers to the youth's mentality, and those should be targeted first while things like "this" shouldn't be made available to the public.
They fail, but they didn't hurt anyone (lolicon). Much better than failing and causing a lot of damage in the process (child porn).[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="aots_twilight"]
If that is true, then the majority of people would probably be at fault. This problem falls as one of the 7 sins.
Lust.
Whether it be young or old the act is the same. If they can't put up their resolve to fight temptation then they fail.
aots_twilight
Hmm... A child being a victim of such acts is quite devestating if that is what you mean. Scarred for life.
You see, I had an relationship with someone "younger" than me. We were 4 years apart but we did love each other. She was in high school and I was in college. So I had some experience with regards to this.
Indeed I know a victim personally and well.... its a nasty shock when your GF breaks down crying for 20 mins for something you could NOT see coming.... I'm more interested in this religeous discusion thats got slightly envolved. Tell me Religeous guys (not bashing) what is *your* reasoning for say Christianity being against pre-marital sex? some could say the naive option that "Love comes, and sex is only for producing children" or the consipiracy option of it being anoter form of population control inthe dark ages. Both draw good points, but honestly, "god" ... creates temptation/lust/sexual ectasy just for loving partners? either hes a cruel sod making us "work" for everything or... its animal urge and we can get sexual involved with anyone we like because it feels good... whats the first thing that grabs *most* peoples attention in a partner? thats right looks... does that fall under lust? arewe all siners straight off the bat. Colour me dubious, because as far as I'm concerned Religeon comes with way too many holes to make sense.Same i'm thinkingI'd be heart broken if they took away my Hentai! :cry:
J/k I could careless :P
ps3wizard45
When it portrays children in sex it should be illegal. If it portrays adults then I don't see anything wrong with it.AcronymnsFTW
You posted my thoughts.
I personally dont look at it, so I personally dont care. Since those statistics really prove nothing, there is no way to directly contribute Anime Porn such as this to Sexual Offenses in the given Country. Once they can do that, maybe ill be for banning it altogether.
On a side note, I wonder why exactly Canada has such a high rate of rapes per 100k people. Theyre known to have a rather low murder rate...and I usually put the two eggs in the same basket when it comes to horrible crimes...
On a side note, I wonderwhy exactlyCanada has sucha high rate of rapes per 100k people. Theyre known to have arather low murder rate...and I usually put the two eggs in the same basket when it came to horriblecrimes...
KcurtorMas
Quebec skews the numbers, I think.
Edit - the numbers look wrong. I'm getting about 65 incidents of sexual assault per 100,000 from Stats Can, and that includes more than rape.
And I was wrong about Quebec, since the Maritimes seem to skew the numbers. New Bruswick has almost 120 rapes per 100,000 people, and Ontario and the Prairies aren't far off. I'd imagine the high unemployment rates in the Maritimes contribute to the high rate.
edit again - CHRIST. Nunuvut has over 650 rapes per 100,000 people.
Indeed I know a victim personally and well.... its a nasty shock when your GF breaks down crying for 20 mins for something you could NOT see coming.... I'm more interested in this religeous discusion thats got slightly envolved. Tell me Religeous guys (not bashing) what is *your* reasoning for say Christianity being against pre-marital sex? some could say the naive option that "Love comes, and sex is only for producing children" or the consipiracy option of it being anoter form of population control inthe dark ages. Both draw good points, but honestly, "god" ... creates temptation/lust/sexual ectasy just for loving partners? either hes a cruel sod making us "work" for everything or... its animal urge and we can get sexual involved with anyone we like because it feels good... whats the first thing that grabs *most* peoples attention in a partner? thats right looks... does that fall under lust? arewe all siners straight off the bat. Colour me dubious, because as far as I'm concerned Religeon comes with way too many holes to make sense.Birdy09
Well, I have more cultural reasons to be for sex after marriage - IMO sex and the lose of virginity is something special - something that should always be remembered and treasred, not something you did last night, with 2 different people at once.
Not only that, over here, where most people have sex after marriage, I can hang around girls and not feel awkward, because I know nothing sexual is gonna happen. Keeps social order as well, reduces rape rates, sexual harassment and sexual assault. Not to mention relationships at young ages rarely ever work.
The only bad thing I can think of is that if a woman does get raped, she most likely won't report it, because she has lost her virginity so she wouldn't be "special" anymore. So she would want to keep her virgin-image, not shame her family and still get married. And divorced people also have a less likely chance of getting married again (because they lost their virginity) - but that itself deters divorce rates.
[QUOTE="aots_twilight"][QUOTE="Famiking"] They fail, but they didn't hurt anyone (lolicon). Much better than failing and causing a lot of damage in the process (child porn).Birdy09
Hmm... A child being a victim of such acts is quite devestating if that is what you mean. Scarred for life.
You see, I had an relationship with someone "younger" than me. We were 4 years apart but we did love each other. She was in high school and I was in college. So I had some experience with regards to this.
Indeed I know a victim personally and well.... its a nasty shock when your GF breaks down crying for 20 mins for something you could NOT see coming.... I'm more interested in this religeous discusion thats got slightly envolved. Tell me Religeous guys (not bashing) what is *your* reasoning for say Christianity being against pre-marital sex? some could say the naive option that "Love comes, and sex is only for producing children" or the consipiracy option of it being anoter form of population control inthe dark ages. Both draw good points, but honestly, "god" ... creates temptation/lust/sexual ectasy just for loving partners? either hes a cruel sod making us "work" for everything or... its animal urge and we can get sexual involved with anyone we like because it feels good... whats the first thing that grabs *most* peoples attention in a partner? thats right looks... does that fall under lust? arewe all siners straight off the bat. Colour me dubious, because as far as I'm concerned Religeon comes with way too many holes to make sense.Just a minute there. I did not do anything to her. Though a strong temptation was in my thoughts. I thought of her well-being formost.
Anyways, I am also in no close to being that religious. (Quite the opposite in fact)
I used "7 sins" since it could generally round up a lot of "situations".
[QUOTE="Famiking"]I didn't cite the US, I cited South Korea.Theokhoth
I don't know anything about culture in South Korea. I don't know what they think about loli in South Korea. I don't live in South Korea. But the argument is essentially the same: culture is different.
Trust me, Japanese culture is way different than Korea, Korea more like China but with a couple of differences.
Well, I have more cultural reasons to be for sex after marriage - IMO sex and the lose of virginity is something special - something that should always be remembered and treasred, not something you did last night, with 2 different people at once.
Famiking
Call me old school or whatever, but I wholeheartedly agree with that.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
[QUOTE="Famiking"]I didn't cite the US, I cited South Korea.Makemap
I don't know anything about culture in South Korea. I don't know what they think about loli in South Korea. I don't live in South Korea. But the argument is essentially the same: culture is different.
Trust me, Japanese culture is way different than Korea, Korea more like China but with a couple of differences.
I cited South Korea because they're attitude towards sex (outside the media) is pretty much the same as Japan's. In that it's usually best left for later - but that's slowly changing as the younger generation resents the idea of marriage, for both countries.anime porn is messed up. anyone who watches that and gets turned on by it should have their butts kicked.escapeoftheapeOn the bright side, anyone who gets turned on by it is probably so socially repressed that they aren't of much danger to anyone but themselves.
[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Indeed I know a victim personally and well.... its a nasty shock when your GF breaks down crying for 20 mins for something you could NOT see coming.... I'm more interested in this religeous discusion thats got slightly envolved. Tell me Religeous guys (not bashing) what is *your* reasoning for say Christianity being against pre-marital sex? some could say the naive option that "Love comes, and sex is only for producing children" or the consipiracy option of it being anoter form of population control inthe dark ages. Both draw good points, but honestly, "god" ... creates temptation/lust/sexual ectasy just for loving partners? either hes a cruel sod making us "work" for everything or... its animal urge and we can get sexual involved with anyone we like because it feels good... whats the first thing that grabs *most* peoples attention in a partner? thats right looks... does that fall under lust? arewe all siners straight off the bat. Colour me dubious, because as far as I'm concerned Religeon comes with way too many holes to make sense.Famiking
Well, I have more cultural reasons to be for sex after marriage - IMO sex and the lose of virginity is something special - something that should always be remembered and treasred, not something you did last night, with 2 different people at once.
Not only that, over here, where most people have sex after marriage, I can hang around girls and not feel awkward, because I know nothing sexual is gonna happen. Keeps social order as well, reduces rape rates, sexual harassment and sexual assault. Not to mention relationships at young ages rarely ever work.
The only bad thing I can think of is that if a woman does get raped, she most likely won't report it, because she has lost her virginity so she wouldn't be "special" anymore. So she would want to keep her virgin-image, not shame her family and still get married. And divorced people also have a less likely chance of getting married again (because they lost their virginity) - but that itself deters divorce rates.
I shoudlnt continue this in this thread, Im clearly an athiest even though I was christened (hey... how the hell is a one year old going to say no?), so if by the means of the church im going to hell anyway it seems. Virginity treated as something special, fair enough, thats a preference valued by some, to other like myself its no different to a first kiss, riding a bike, swimming and anything else you can think of for the first time. But then it leads on to detering devorce rates, dont get me wrong I like the concept of Marraige and hope it works out for me in the future O_o, but the whole concept was produced by religeon was it not? in a time where we didnt live for half as long as we do now, or have the available options or the freedoms we do now, whats to say a life-partner is the key? I'm just ranting I'l leave it there :P will forever be a mystery anyway.Indeed I know a victim personally and well.... its a nasty shock when your GF breaks down crying for 20 mins for something you could NOT see coming.... I'm more interested in this religeous discusion thats got slightly envolved. Tell me Religeous guys (not bashing) what is *your* reasoning for say Christianity being against pre-marital sex? some could say the naive option that "Love comes, and sex is only for producing children" or the consipiracy option of it being anoter form of population control inthe dark ages. Both draw good points, but honestly, "god" ... creates temptation/lust/sexual ectasy just for loving partners? either hes a cruel sod making us "work" for everything or... its animal urge and we can get sexual involved with anyone we like because it feels good... whats the first thing that grabs *most* peoples attention in a partner? thats right looks... does that fall under lust? arewe all siners straight off the bat. Colour me dubious, because as far as I'm concerned Religeon comes with way too many holes to make sense.[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="aots_twilight"]
Hmm... A child being a victim of such acts is quite devestating if that is what you mean. Scarred for life.
You see, I had an relationship with someone "younger" than me. We were 4 years apart but we did love each other. She was in high school and I was in college. So I had some experience with regards to this.
aots_twilight
Just a minute there. I did not do anything to her. Though a strong temptation was in my thoughts. I thought of her well-being formost.
Anyways, I am also in no close to being that religious. (Quite the opposite in fact)
I used "7 sins" since it could generally round up a lot of "situations".
No no no, I meant that have dated someone who was a victim of Pedo-philia at a very young age and that baggage made itself apperent when I was with her, sorry if it came out wrong, wasnt accusing ;o@Birdy09
- Understood. I copy that.
And I second notion the call for a change in topic name. It's off. The article was a call to ban H-Lolis not the whole genre. (Like I said already mentioned before: "If they do so ban the whole genre. Why not ban real porn as well.")
[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]anime porn is messed up. anyone who watches that and gets turned on by it should have their butts kicked.DJ_LaeOn the bright side, anyone who gets turned on by it is probably so socially repressed that they aren't of much danger to anyone but themselves.
Yes, lets ignore people have different fetishes and preferences.
On the bright side, anyone who gets turned on by it is probably so socially repressed that they aren't of much danger to anyone but themselves.[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]anime porn is messed up. anyone who watches that and gets turned on by it should have their butts kicked.Yandere
Yes, lets ignore people have different fetishes and preferences.
Why not? Its very weird to get turned on by what some sweaty japanese man drew on a canvas. Thats very weird.
I don't "love" anime porn, but it shouldn't be banned. Banning it would limit free speech a little more and be another step closer to the government "protecting" people from seeing the "bad" things.
EDIT:
Now that I've read a few more posts.
What does it matter if underage kids are being depicted in Hentai. Laws against child porn are in place only to protect the exploited children. When an underage child is depicted in Hentai what child is being exploited... what child is being harmed...
People should be allowed to do what they want so long as they are not violating (directly or inderectly) anyone else's rights.
I'm actually quite amused by the amount of people who believe that anyone who watches hentai are mentally sick. I'll admit, i've seen it, I even post on a forum about it, and those people are quite normal. You wouldn't be able to tell if you met them in person.Deadly_Fatalis
They are the misconceptions of "Otakus" in general. It's like the old "RPG gamers who don't leave their homes" back in the day. I just tend to prove them wrong about it.
[QUOTE="Yandere"]
[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"] On the bright side, anyone who gets turned on by it is probably so socially repressed that they aren't of much danger to anyone but themselves.Tht1Guy7780
Yes, lets ignore people have different fetishes and preferences.
Why not? Its very weird to get turned on by what some sweaty japanese man drew on a canvas. Thats very weird.
You don't think about the person who drew it, nor do you think about the guy filming the porno that your watching.People these days are more concerned with the fact it's called "pedophillia" rather than what it's causing. Like how calling something socialist or unAmerican can pretty much shoot down any argument in US congress.I don't "love" anime porn, but it shouldn't be banned. Banning it would limit free speech a little more and be another step closer to the government "protecting" people from seeing the "bad" things.
EDIT:
Now that I've read a few more posts.
What does it matter if underage kids are being depicted in Hentai. Laws against child porn are in place only to protect the exploited children. When an underage child is depicted in Hentai what child is being exploited... what child is being harmed...
People should be allowed to do what they want so long as they are not violating (directly or inderectly) anyone else's rights.
gamer_10001
[QUOTE="Tht1Guy7780"][QUOTE="Yandere"]
Yes, lets ignore people have different fetishes and preferences.
Yandere
Why not? Its very weird to get turned on by what some sweaty japanese man drew on a canvas. Thats very weird.
You don't think about the person who drew it, nor do you think about the guy filming the porno that your watching. To lighten the mood, I who-heartidly think that foot-fetish should be penalty of death, feet yuck xD[QUOTE="Tht1Guy7780"][QUOTE="Yandere"]
Yes, lets ignore people have different fetishes and preferences.
Yandere
Why not? Its very weird to get turned on by what some sweaty japanese man drew on a canvas. Thats very weird.
You don't think about the person who drew it, nor do you think about the guy filming the porno that your watching.Its a lot different when im watching real people in a porno than a imaginary character drawn by someone. A lot different.
The director of the porno doesnt create it the people in the film, he only films it. the artist sits there and says. "I think im gunna draw some anime porn....naked carton characters. Sounds like a good idea."
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