What do you think about the "Emo" society?

[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]I don't believe in their existence.Redgarl

They sure do, its like thier " trapped in the closet ".Mike-uk

[QUOTE="Mike-uk"]They sure do, its like thier " trapped in the closet ".Jandurin

[QUOTE="elfimis"][QUOTE="Mike-uk"] Well from what i can tell dnuggs40 is a good father who just wants his daughter to go out with a normal, respectful young man.Genia

Well i agree with that completley. Problem is, is that he is being biased based on opinion, why cant an emo kid be respectful???

Im so glad someone else here agrees! A parents job is not to dictate but to teach ... to teach their kids to think for themselves and not make ridiculous judgements about people by the way they appear. I mean how many films, books, documentaries, tv programs, talk shows, magazines, games, news reports (I wont go on) need to be rammed down peoples throats before this kind of prejudice truly stops?

I mean seriously ... in movies for decades now (almost any kind of movie from kids movies to serious epics to action thrillers) people who make such judgements are almost always protrayed as ignorant individuals because its not productive to society to view things in such a shallow way. But in the real world this still makes for good parenting techniques? I can truly truly understand wanting to protect your child, but by dictating who they can see by looking at their clothes and the presence of make-up as opposed to true merits in life (education, morals, being nice to people no matter how they look or which sub-culture they subscribe to etc) ... what kind of example is that setting?

PS As much as it seems so im not actually attacking anyone personally ... I just felt the need to rant and direct it at someone about this sort of thing. Im certain youre not as ignorant or as much of a dictator as a few (fairly light hearted) forum messages can make you out to be. I just dont like that this does genuinely happens out there in the world ... still

[QUOTE="Genia"]

[QUOTE="elfimis"]

Well i agree with that completley. Problem is, is that he is being biased based on opinion, why cant an emo kid be respectful???

dnuggs40

Im so glad someone else here agrees! A parents job is not to dictate but to teach ... to teach their kids to think for themselves and not make ridiculous judgements about people by the way they appear. I mean how many films, books, documentaries, tv programs, talk shows, magazines, games, news reports (I wont go on) need to be rammed down peoples throats before this kind of prejudice truly stops?

I mean seriously ... in movies for decades now (almost any kind of movie from kids movies to serious epics to action thrillers) people who make such judgements are almost always protrayed as ignorant individuals because its not productive to society to view things in such a shallow way. But in the real world this still makes for good parenting techniques? I can truly truly understand wanting to protect your child, but by dictating who they can see by looking at their clothes and the presence of make-up as opposed to true merits in life (education, morals, being nice to people no matter how they look or which sub-culture they subscribe to etc) ... what kind of example is that setting?

PS As much as it seems so im not actually attacking anyone personally ... I just felt the need to rant and direct it at someone about this sort of thing. Im certain youre not as ignorant or as much of a dictator as a few (fairly light hearted) forum messages can make you out to be. I just dont like that this does genuinely happens out there in the world ... still

I'll disprove this right now. I have literally tons of tattoos, i half a full sleeve on my left arm, a half sleeve on my right arm, and my chest and stomach. My lip is pierced and i keep a buzz cut for a meaner look(silly i i know) and guess where i work buddy, in an administrative office that deals with the general public all day long, on average i see about 30-50 people a day. Now, according to you i am not fit to be here because my appearance is extreme, but fortunately for me, not everyone is so biased and niave and my employer is smart enough to realize that i have a Bachelors degree and that i am a hard-working professional.

You are the exception. How many CEO's and upper management types are running around with full sleve tattoo's and lip piercings? And if you actually believe that at some point your appearance will not hold you back from a potential opportunity, you are sorely mistaken.

Not saying people with "deviant" appearances can't do well, but it certainly can be a hinderance. My job as a parent is to ensure my kids will have all opportunities availible and the best chances to do well in life.

You will always find people no matter what excelling in life, but certain choices (including the way you present yourself) can make that a more difficult proposition.

You are the exception. How many CEO's and upper management types are running around with full sleve tattoo's and lip piercings? And if you actually believe that at some point your appearance will not hold you back from a potential opportunity, you are sorely mistaken.

Not saying people with "deviant" appearances can't do well, but it certainly can be a hinderance. My job as a parent is to ensure my kids will have all opportunities availible and the best chances to do well in life.

You will always find people no matter what excelling in life, but certain choices (including the way you present yourself) can make that a more difficult proposition.

dnuggs40

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You are the exception. How many CEO's and upper management types are running around with full sleve tattoo's and lip piercings? And if you actually believe that at some point your appearance will not hold you back from a potential opportunity, you are sorely mistaken.

Not saying people with "deviant" appearances can't do well, but it certainly can be a hinderance. My job as a parent is to ensure my kids will have all opportunities availible and the best chances to do well in life.

You will always find people no matter what excelling in life, but certain choices (including the way you present yourself) can make that a more difficult proposition.

elfimis

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You are the exception. How many CEO's and upper management types are running around with full sleve tattoo's and lip piercings? And if you actually believe that at some point your appearance will not hold you back from a potential opportunity, you are sorely mistaken.

Not saying people with "deviant" appearances can't do well, but it certainly can be a hinderance. My job as a parent is to ensure my kids will have all opportunities availible and the best chances to do well in life.

You will always find people no matter what excelling in life, but certain choices (including the way you present yourself) can make that a more difficult proposition.

elfimis

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

[QUOTE="elfimis"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You are the exception. How many CEO's and upper management types are running around with full sleve tattoo's and lip piercings? And if you actually believe that at some point your appearance will not hold you back from a potential opportunity, you are sorely mistaken.

Not saying people with "deviant" appearances can't do well, but it certainly can be a hinderance. My job as a parent is to ensure my kids will have all opportunities availible and the best chances to do well in life.

You will always find people no matter what excelling in life, but certain choices (including the way you present yourself) can make that a more difficult proposition.

DJ_Novakain

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

You missed the point entirely, what you said is irrelevant. Black,White, Thug, Emo, no matter what your APPEARANCE is, people that judge you on it are stereotypical and racist.

normally the exception does not disprove the rule.dnuggs40

Oh thank you for dropping in this little gem. I was waiting for it! Unfortunately I dont have the energy to explain fully why this is just as blind and ignorant as your previous statements.

But unfortunately because of people like you I have to dress in a way I dont like and over compensate at work because I have "long hair". Yes ... ima metal head and goth *shock horror*. Im also a graduate from a top100 world university, a very capable engineer at a very large and respectable engineering firm and generally, and I dont mind saying so myself, a very honest, kind, productive, compassionate person who would never willfully hurt my partner or anyone else. Butdespite being a model employee so far I still have comments made about my hair as if its going to affect my work somehow. Its insane ... and this is from educated, mature, respectable engineers for christs sake!

And you know what ... im NOT an exception! My uni was full of "people like me" and as a rule they came accross a whole lot more civilised and mature than the majority of the "normal" people who go around getting wasted, cheating on their partners, and wasting away their parents money while learning nothing at all at uni and being a menace. Funnily enough none of the vandalism, fights, rapingsetc at uni on in my cityever seem to be caused by emo's, or goths,or metalheads, or guys wearing make-up.

Ah sod it ... prejudices are prejudices ... youre not gonna change your mind so theres no point. Good luck to your daughter though.

Genia

It's not blind, and if you look around you it certainly holds true. Sorry, it's the world we live in.

*shrug*

[QUOTE="DJ_Novakain"][QUOTE="elfimis"]

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

elfimis

You missed the point entirely, what you said is irrelevant. Black,White, Thug, Emo, no matter what your APPEARANCE is, people that judge you on it are stereotypical and racist.

[QUOTE="elfimis"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You are the exception. How many CEO's and upper management types are running around with full sleve tattoo's and lip piercings? And if you actually believe that at some point your appearance will not hold you back from a potential opportunity, you are sorely mistaken.

Not saying people with "deviant" appearances can't do well, but it certainly can be a hinderance. My job as a parent is to ensure my kids will have all opportunities availible and the best chances to do well in life.

You will always find people no matter what excelling in life, but certain choices (including the way you present yourself) can make that a more difficult proposition.

dnuggs40

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

Now i didnt say to show up to the interview like that. I said I am a working professional who maintains my extreme appearance outside the office and when i get to work i dress like a professional and maintain myself like a professional.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="elfimis"]

And it will always be a shame that you and others like your self could potentially be turning away some of the best and brightest simply based on thier appearance and the simple fact that you just dont like it. Its the equivalent of racism.

elfimis

Now i didnt say to show up to the interview like that. I said I am a working professional who maintains my extreme appearance outside the office and when i get to work i dress like a professional and maintain myself like a professional.

[QUOTE="elfimis"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] You say they are the best and brightest, but obviously they weren't even bright enough to know how to dress appropriately for a job. Not my problem, I got 20 resumes with all qualified candidates, I am going to pick the person that not only has the experience, but has the attitude and is dressed for success. It's not a shame, it's the real world. Your appearance *does* matter, and for good reason. If someone looks like a slob...chances are they are a slob. If someone dresses like they are depressed and out of touch...chances are they are depressed and out of touch. You can show me the exception, but again, it normally doesn't disprove the rule. Most jobs have tons of people applying, and employers will pick the best one with the highest chance of doing well.dnuggs40

Now i didnt say to show up to the interview like that. I said I am a working professional who maintains my extreme appearance outside the office and when i get to work i dress like a professional and maintain myself like a professional.

[QUOTE="elfimis"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] You say they are the best and brightest, but obviously they weren't even bright enough to know how to dress appropriately for a job. Not my problem, I got 20 resumes with all qualified candidates, I am going to pick the person that not only has the experience, but has the attitude and is dressed for success. It's not a shame, it's the real world. Your appearance *does* matter, and for good reason. If someone looks like a slob...chances are they are a slob. If someone dresses like they are depressed and out of touch...chances are they are depressed and out of touch. You can show me the exception, but again, it normally doesn't disprove the rule. Most jobs have tons of people applying, and employers will pick the best one with the highest chance of doing well.dnuggs40

Now i didnt say to show up to the interview like that. I said I am a working professional who maintains my extreme appearance outside the office and when i get to work i dress like a professional and maintain myself like a professional.

Because you should leave your work at work. And my job doesnt define me, I define me and i like tattoos, grindcore metal, and crazy things It doesnt change the fact that i am a working professional with a great career and college degree, yet if i came to your house outside of my work clothes you would have me leave cause you simply dont approve of my appearance but you wouldnt know that i am a hardworking, taxpaying, respectful individual cause you would never take the chance to find out.

Emo (real emo, not pop punk) doesn't have anything to do with suicide or cutting your wrists.Bloodbath_87

The Emo trend is more or less dead. There are a few people that still hold onto it, but it seems that most kids these days go for the, "I dress like a Schizophrenic Skater" look. And for all those saying, "it is cool that the girls do it because they are hot" I'd ask, have you even met and gotten to know one of these chicks? If you did you probably wouldn't think they were hot anymore, and they don't look that great regardless.

In regards to the suicide thing, I think you just pulled that out of thin air. Suicide in America has remained relatively steady for the past decade or so; Emo or any other socialphenomena effected it in the least.

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]Emo (real emo, not pop punk) doesn't have anything to do with suicide or cutting your wrists.Makemap

Quick question to the people arguing that appearance don't matter...would you let this guy into your home and date your daughter? dnuggs40

Who says apperance doesn't matter?

Ofc it does, if someone thinks otherwise, they need to step outside and face the real world.

Quick question to the people arguing that appearance don't matter...would you let this guy into your home and date your daughter? dnuggs40

Jesus wept. I would let the guy into my house, yes. I would let my daughter vouch for his character, yes. I would talk to him and make my judgement of him from his behaviour, from his abilities, from the way I think he will treat my daughter (again based of his character, not his appearance). The only concern I would have is that through association with him my daughter would be at risk from the hordes of intollerant "normal" people in the world. That would not stop me from letting her date him if I thought he was a decent human being who happens to be interested in body modification.

And besides ... who was it that said an exception doesnt prove the rule? Are you telling me this is what your average body modder looks like? Id say this guy is most certainly an exception!

Genia

PS I guess hes not a body modder either. Closer to cyber-goth. A thoroughly interesting visual subculture ... shame that the guy looks ugly as anything though. And no thats not a character judgement ... he just wouldnt be the most pretty faced invididual ever no matter how he dressed:S

Where the heck did emo style come from?Makemap

You both are crazy, and I weep for when (if) you two have children. That guy wouldn't get within 50ft of my home. Anyways, I think you probably both are lying, that guy is any parent's worst nightmare.

And you don't think someone's appearance says something about thier character? You both are living in a dream world. Nothing is 100%, but 99% of the time someone who steps out of the house looking like that has some kind of mental issue.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Quick question to the people arguing that appearance don't matter...would you let this guy into your home and date your daughter? Genia

Jesus wept. I would let the guy into my house, yes. I would let my daughter vouch for his character, yes. I would talk to him and make my judgement of him from his behaviour, from his abilities, from the way I think he will treat my daughter (again based of his character, not his appearance). The only concern I would have is that through association with him my daughter would be at risk from the hordes of intollerant "normal" people in the world. That would not stop me from letting her date him if I thought he was a decent human being who happens to be interested in body modification.

And besides ... who was it that said an exception doesnt prove the rule? Are you telling me this is what your average body modder looks like? Id say this guy is most certainly an exception!

Genia

PS I guess hes not a body modder either. Closer to cyber-goth. A thoroughly interesting visual subculture ... shame that the guy looks ugly as anything though. And no thats not a character judgement ... he just wouldnt be the most pretty faced invididual ever no matter how he dressed:S

Hahaha, i couldnt agree more.

You both are crazy, and I weep for when (if) you two have children. That guy wouldn't get within 50ft of my home. Anyways, I think you probably both are lying, that guy is any parent's worst nightmare.

dnuggs40

You can assume im lying all you want, that is your free choice to do so. Simple fact is, im not. I believe what I believe as do you and we are just simply two different people who do not share the same beliefs.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Quick question to the people arguing that appearance don't matter...would you let this guy into your home and date your daughter? Dark-Sithious

Who says apperance doesn't matter?

Ofc it does, if someone thinks otherwise, they need to step outside and face the real world.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You both are crazy, and I weep for when (if) you two have children. That guy wouldn't get within 50ft of my home. Anyways, I think you probably both are lying, that guy is any parent's worst nightmare.

elfimis

You can assume im lying all you want, that is your free choice to do so. Simple fact is, im not. I believe what I believe as do you and we are just simply two different people who do not share the same beliefs.

You both are crazy, and I weep for when (if) you two have children. That guy wouldn't get within 50ft of my home. Anyways, I think you probably both are lying, that guy is any parent's worst nightmare.

And you don't think someone's appearance says something about thier character? You both are living in a dream world. Nothing is 100%, but 99% of the time someone who steps out of the house looking like that has some kind of mental issue.

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="elfimis"]

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

You can assume im lying all you want, that is your free choice to do so. Simple fact is, im not. I believe what I believe as do you and we are just simply two different people who do not share the same beliefs.

Mike-uk

You both are crazy, and I weep for when (if) you two have children. That guy wouldn't get within 50ft of my home. Anyways, I think you probably both are lying, that guy is any parent's worst nightmare.

And you don't think someone's appearance says something about thier character? You both are living in a dream world. Nothing is 100%, but 99% of the time someone who steps out of the house looking like that has some kind of mental issue.

dnuggs40

What about this guy (I think it's a guy):

You think the chances of him being a normal, well adjusted guy are good? Nevermind, I already know the answer...I am sure you both would be thrilled if he showed up at your door asking for your daughter lol..it's just some body modifications right?

What about this guy (I think it's a guy):

You think the chances of him being a normal, well adjusted guy are good? Nevermind, I already know the answer...I am sure you both would be thrilled if he showed up at your door asking for your daughter lol..it's just some body modifications right?

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

What about this guy (I think it's a guy):

You think the chances of him being a normal, well adjusted guy are good? Nevermind, I already know the answer...I am sure you both would be thrilled if he showed up at your door asking for your daughter lol..it's just some body modifications right?

Neon-Tiger

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

What about this guy (I think it's a guy):

You think the chances of him being a normal, well adjusted guy are good? Nevermind, I already know the answer...I am sure you both would be thrilled if he showed up at your door asking for your daughter lol..it's just some body modifications right?

Neon-Tiger

[QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

What about this guy (I think it's a guy):

You think the chances of him being a normal, well adjusted guy are good? Nevermind, I already know the answer...I am sure you both would be thrilled if he showed up at your door asking for your daughter lol..it's just some body modifications right?

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"] This is another example of a big cat worshipper -- in this case a Tiger worshipper it seems -- that has received the gift from his master, thus allowing him to slowly transform into a lesser feline.Neon-Tiger

[QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] I'm fine with that and I am happy he has ascended to the next level...I just want him to stay the hell away from my daughters lol.dnuggs40