[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

You asked me a question and I respectfully answered it, even thought I have given you those answers before. Now, since you are unable to offer reasonable and rational explanations for those three simple points, you now choose to resort to demeaning and mocking God. Why must you do that? That really does nothing to further your stated position that God does not exist.

Dark_Knight6

I never stated that God doesn't exist. You cannot give me a reasonable or rational explanation, either. And if the Christian God does exist, there is no doubt in my mind that he has a sick sense of humor.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

It is more than what He perceived, it is what He knew. He was God incarnate, one person of the Trinity.

Dark_Knight6

I doubt that.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

God gave you the freedom to do that if you choose.

Dark_Knight6

The problem is, there isn't any proof he even exists.

I'm sorry about that. For a moment I thought we were going to stick with the law of non-contradiction rather than get into a word parsing competition. Remember. This is not our first discussion.

You indicated that you don't believe Jesus is God, and that there isn't any real proof that God exists. Now you are claiming that you didn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Ok, so then what do you believe?

By the way, if you now believe God exists, I would suggest that you reconsider demeaning and mocking him. Here is what He said about that.

Gal 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Look, the thing is all this "proof" is only out of one book and that book has been disproved many, many times already. There is no proof out of that book.

darklord888

Care to supply evidence to support your assertion that the Bible has been "disproven many, many times"?

There have been hundreds of archaeological discoveries that have confirmed people, places, and events listed in the Bible. In addition, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Hooray, I was right after all about the God-of-the-gaps arguments! :lol:Funky_Llama

And you base your "faith" in a naturalistic Science of the Gaps belief system. We all have faith, I place mine in what God has said and you place yours in what man has said.

Many past discussions with you. Am I incorrect? Do you believe in a supernatural Creator for the universe?

I'm sorry about that. For a moment I thought we were going to stick with the law of non-contradiction rather than get into a word parsing competition. Remember. This is not our first discussion.

You indicated that you don't believe Jesus is God, and that there isn't any real proof that God exists. Now you are claiming that you didn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Ok, so then what do you believe?

By the way, if you now believe God exists, I would suggest that you reconsider demeaning and mocking him. Here is what He said about that.

Gal 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

blackregiment

I believe it's possible he exists, I just don't see any absolute proof that he does exist. As for the whole mocking thing, he must have a sick sense of humor if what the Bible says is true.

[QUOTE="123625"]Now lets compare, Jesus was horribly tortured before his death. He was hung on a cross and peirced with a spear when he died. He was placed in a tomb for THREE days. Now iI don't see how you can compare the two. Jesus should have remained dead by all accounts. He should have had not a single ounce of strength left to even leave the cave after three days without food! How can you compare the two?

darklord888

Alright, I'm not saying its real I'm just demonstrating why christians don't worship just any one person who claimed to ressurect him or herself. And can you give me at least one of these thousand inexplainable things that even compares to the story of Jesus's death and ressurection?

Oh, and HE WAS DEAD FOR THREE DAYS, a normal person after enduring that kind of torture and treatment should have no energy to walk out of the cave, let alone STILL BE ALIVE.

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq.htm

Guys, really, I hate to say this (actually I love to say this), but christmas is just a trojan for pagan festivals, and practices. There really is not true DAY jesus was born, no one knows, it does not matter, we just need to know how he was born, and maybe the year. Believe me, this christmas thing came from catholicism, trust me when the world celebrates it, doesnt it make you wonder, especially when you see the traditions, and how the world loves this time. I work in this time, so I also HATE christmas! But, I guess it is the only time I get to see my adulterous, idolizing, blastphemous, and godless family. Woopy! Some day though, I wont have to deal with this stupid time of year, just me and my own self.

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq.htm

Guys, really, I hate to say this (actually I love to say this), but christmas is just a trojan for pagan festivals, and practices. There really is not true DAY jesus was born, no one knows, it does not matter, we just need to know how he was born, and maybe the year. Believe me, this christmas thing came from catholicism, trust me when the world celebrates it, doesnt it make you wonder, especially when you see the traditions, and how the world loves this time. I work in this time, so I also HATE christmas! But, I guess it is the only time I get to see my adulterous, idolizing, blastphemous, and godless family. Woopy! Some day though, I wont have to deal with this stupid time of year, just me and my own self.

This is really directed towards my union members.SegaGenesisfan

[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq.htm

Guys, really, I hate to say this (actually I love to say this), but christmas is just a trojan for pagan festivals, and practices. There really is not true DAY jesus was born, no one knows, it does not matter, we just need to know how he was born, and maybe the year. Believe me, this christmas thing came from catholicism, trust me when the world celebrates it, doesnt it make you wonder, especially when you see the traditions, and how the world loves this time. I work in this time, so I also HATE christmas! But, I guess it is the only time I get to see my adulterous, idolizing, blastphemous, and godless family. Woopy! Some day though, I wont have to deal with this stupid time of year, just me and my own self.

This is really directed towards my union members.3picuri3

I'm not a huge religious man, so I think spending time with family and friends is the most important. Don't get me wrong, Jesus is great, and we do take time to celebrate his birth, but I think demonstrating our love for our family and friends also reflects the values Jesus tried to convey. Basically I think being with our loved ones also illustrates our appreciation and love of Jesus.

And now I'm done with my heartfelt speech...

Buying crap.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

God gave you the freedom to do that if you choose.

blackregiment

The problem is, there isn't any proof he even exists.

I'm sorry about that. For a moment I thought we were going to stick with the law of non-contradiction rather than get into a word parsing competition. Remember. This is not our first discussion.

You indicated that you don't believe Jesus is God, and that there isn't any real proof that God exists. Now you are claiming that you didn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Ok, so then what do you believe?

By the way, if you now believe God exists, I would suggest that you reconsider demeaning and mocking him. Here is what He said about that.

Gal 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"] by expressing ethical skepticism, you haven't actually denied the existence of objective moral values. danwallacefan

I also told BR about this in another thread and he got mad at me, although he admitted that Santa has nothing to do with Jesus. Truth be told, Blackregiment and Crushmaster have no second thoughts on the way they worship, even though they are celebrating pagan holidays that their Lord probably doesn't approve.dog64

Mad at you? You have such a flair for the dramatic use of words. Informing non-believers that followers of Christ do not take spiritual advice from those that do not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior, is simply stating the truth, not being mad. Now you might consider our stating the truth as being "mad", but a more appropriate word for us is sad. Christians share the Good News of salvation in Christ in love, and it saddens us, as well as it does the Lord, when His truth is rejected.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

There seems to be some confusion regarding Christian beliefs regarding the true meaning of Christmas, what the Bible says regarding the date of birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and the appropriateness of some Christmas traditions as they relate to glorifying our Lord. For those that would like some more information on these things, that actually seek the truth, rather than just trying to us the celebration of the birth of our Lord, Christmas, as an excuse to spread doubt regarding the truth of Christianity, here are some links that you might find helpful. God bless

What is the true meaning of Christmas?

"The true meaning of Christmas is love. John 3:16-17 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." The true meaning of Christmas is the celebration of this incredible act of love.

The real Christmas story is the story of God's becoming a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Why did God do such a thing? Because He loves us! Why was Christmas necessary? Because we needed a Savior! Why does God love us so much? Because He is love itself (1 John 4:8 ) . Why do we celebrate Christmas each year? Out of gratitude for what God did for us, we remember His birth by giving each other gifts, worshipping Him, and being especially conscious of the poor and less fortunate."

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christmas-true-meaning.html

Was Jesus born on December 25?

"The truth is we simply don't know the exact date of our Savior's birth. In fact, we don't even know for sure the year in which He was born. Scholars believe it was somewhere between 6 B.C. and 4 B.C. One thing is clear: if God felt it was important for us to know the exact date of the Savior's birth, He certainly would have told us in His Word. The Gospel of Luke gives very specific details about the event, even down to what the baby was wearing – "swaddling clothes"—and where he slept—"in a manger" (Luke 2:12). These details are important because they speak of His nature and character, meek and lowly. But the exact date of His birth has no significance whatsoever, which may be why God chose not to mention it.

The fact is that He was born, that He came into the world to atone for our sins, that He was resurrected to eternal life, and that He's alive today. This is what we should celebrate, as we are told in the Old Testament in such passages as Zechariah 2:10: "'Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you,' declares the LORD." Further, the angel that announced the birth to the shepherds brought "good news of great joy that will be for all the people" (Luke 2:10). Surely here is the cause for celebration every day, not just once a year."

http://www.gotquestions.org/December-25.html

Do some Christmas traditions have pagan origins?

"So obscure are the beginnings of many Christmas traditions that reference books and internet sites contradict one another on the details. Some of our most popular and beloved Christmas symbols are entirely Christian, and were never part of any pagan religion anywhere. At the same time, some Christmas traditions undoubtedly do have their origins in the pagan past. What is important is not the origins of traditions, but their significance to us today as believers in the Son of God. December 25 was not mentioned in the biblical narrative as the day Jesus was born, and, as such, we cannot be dogmatic about it one way or the other. But even if the date is completely wrong, there is still the opportunity for thousands of people who wouldn't go to church any other time of the year to go on Christmas day and hear the gospel of Christ.

If you are fully convinced that you cannot, in good conscience, observe a particular Christmas tradition, do not observe it. If you are fully convinced that a particular tradition is too steeped in paganism to honor God in any way, by all means forsake that tradition. At the same time, if you are fully convinced that you can honor and worship God through a particular tradition, honor and worship God (Romans 14:5)!

For Christians, Christmas traditions can be an important part of the celebration of the birth of our Savior, and they remind us of that momentous event that changed the world forever. More importantly, they bring to mind the miracle of new birth He created in us when He came into our hearts, saved us from our sins, and made us children of God by the shedding of His blood on the Cross (Colossians 1:20). It is this amazing truth that enables us to say with the angels, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, good will toward men" (Luke 2:14)."

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christmas-traditions.html

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq.htm

Guys, really, I hate to say this (actually I love to say this), but christmas is just a trojan for pagan festivals, and practices. There really is not true DAY jesus was born, no one knows, it does not matter, we just need to know how he was born, and maybe the year. Believe me, this christmas thing came from catholicism, trust me when the world celebrates it, doesnt it make you wonder, especially when you see the traditions, and how the world loves this time. I work in this time, so I also HATE christmas! But, I guess it is the only time I get to see my adulterous, idolizing, blastphemous, and godless family. Woopy! Some day though, I wont have to deal with this stupid time of year, just me and my own self.

This is really directed towards my union members.dog64

So obscure are the beginnings of many Christmas traditions that reference books and internet sites contradict one another on the detailsblackregiment

Science, unlike some religions, is willing to accept that we can't always know the date down to the second, or the exact details of everything without more research.

However, Saturnalia, and the Winter Solstice pagan traditions are *well documented*. For example, the expression "ho" for Christmas? From the greeting "Io Saturnalia". The red and green elf hats? Traditional Roman garb, painted in bright colors for the holidays. The traditional colors? Also from the PAGAN holiday. Feasting? Pagan. Drinking? Pagan. Mystical figures? Pagan. Breaking down social c1asses and celebrating with your fellow man? Pagan.

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Basically anything *good* about Christmas was pagan - all of the bad feelings came into it when the Christians *stole it*, and now apparently are trying to pretend it's not a fully pagan holiday. The reality is, all that crap about the "birth of Jesus" for Christmas is pure fiction. Someone took Christianity and bastardized it. If you honestly believe in the gospel WITHOUT re-interpretation - aka reading the bible word-for-word as literal, and not accepting any changes via the church or "non-God" sources, then you cannot celebrate Christmas.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I'm sorry about that. For a moment I thought we were going to stick with the law of non-contradiction rather than get into a word parsing competition. Remember. This is not our first discussion.

You indicated that you don't believe Jesus is God, and that there isn't any real proof that God exists. Now you are claiming that you didn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Ok, so then what do you believe?

By the way, if you now believe God exists, I would suggest that you reconsider demeaning and mocking him. Here is what He said about that.

Gal 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Dark_Knight6

I believe it's possible he exists, I just don't see any absolute proof that he does exist. As for the whole mocking thing, he must have a sick sense of humor if what the Bible says is true.

There are few things in life that can be absolutely proved beyond all doubt. If we are to honest to ourselves, we must examine the evidence for and against something, analyze it, and then come to a decision based on the preponderance of the evidence.

Let's look at this another way then. I don't think you would disagree with with me if I said that, based on our past discussions, even though you now state that you believe "it's possible that He(God) exists", you tend to lean towards His non-existence. If I am incorrect in this assumption, please correct me. In view of that consider this.

Whenever I give you some evidence that points to the existence of our creator God, you seem to quickly discount it. That would lead me to believe, assuming that you are leaning towards believing that He does not exist, that you likewise have examined the evidence and feel you have weightier evidence of His non-existence.

I suggest you present your evidence for His non-existence.

Also, your personal feelings regarding God's sense of humor have no bearing on the truth in reality of His existence or non-existence. I may be incorrect but that sounds more like an attempt to personally justify your leaning towards non-belief.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="123625"]Now lets compare, Jesus was horribly tortured before his death. He was hung on a cross and peirced with a spear when he died. He was placed in a tomb for THREE days. Now iI don't see how you can compare the two. Jesus should have remained dead by all accounts. He should have had not a single ounce of strength left to even leave the cave after three days without food! How can you compare the two?

123625

Alright, I'm not saying its real I'm just demonstrating why christians don't worship just any one person who claimed to ressurect him or herself. And can you give me at least one of these thousand inexplainable things that even compares to the story of Jesus's death and ressurection?

Oh, and HE WAS DEAD FOR THREE DAYS, a normal person after enduring that kind of torture and treatment should have no energy to walk out of the cave, let alone STILL BE ALIVE.

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nor have you proved them. The burden of proof is on you, remember.Funky_Llama

[quote="blackregiment"]So obscure are the beginnings of many Christmas traditions that reference books and internet sites contradict one another on the detailssubrosian

Science, unlike some religions, is willing to accept that we can't always know the date down to the second, or the exact details of everything without more research.

However, Saturnalia, and the Winter Solstice pagan traditions are *well documented*. For example, the expression "ho" for Christmas? From the greeting "Io Saturnalia". The red and green elf hats? Traditional Roman garb, painted in bright colors for the holidays. The traditional colors? Also from the PAGAN holiday. Feasting? Pagan. Drinking? Pagan. Mystical figures? Pagan. Breaking down social c1asses and celebrating with your fellow man? Pagan.

-

Basically anything *good* about Christmas was pagan - all of the bad feelings came into it when the Christians *stole it*, and now apparently are trying to pretend it's not a fully pagan holiday. The reality is, all that crap about the "birth of Jesus" for Christmas is pure fiction. Someone took Christianity and bastardized it. If you honestly believe in the gospel WITHOUT re-interpretation - aka reading the bible word-for-word as literal, and not accepting any changes via the church or "non-God" sources, then you cannot celebrate Christmas.

The fallacy in you argument is that you are attempting to equate the secular world's meaning and ways of celebrating Christmas with the way Biblical Christians celebrate Christmas. Two different things.

God gave you a free will to celebrate Christmas any way you choose. If it is your desire to celebrate it as a pagan holiday so be it. Christians likewise are free to celebrate it in remembrance of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The way you choose to celebrate it has no bearing on how Christians choose to celebrate it and the reverse is also true.

Also, I must advise you that your keystrokes telling me how I can or cannot celebrate the birth of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, wasted. I do not entertain or consider spiritual advice from those that are not followers of Christ.

[QUOTE="darklord888"] Look, the thing is all this "proof" is only out of one book and that book has been disproved many, many times already. There is no proof out of that book.

blackregiment

Care to supply evidence to support your assertion that the Bible has been "disproven many, many times"?

There have been hundreds of archaeological discoveries that have confirmed people, places, and events listed in the Bible. In addition, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"] Look, the thing is all this "proof" is only out of one book and that book has been disproved many, many times already. There is no proof out of that book.

darklord888

Care to supply evidence to support your assertion that the Bible has been "disproven many, many times"?

There have been hundreds of archaeological discoveries that have confirmed people, places, and events listed in the Bible. In addition, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

So I guess you expect people to accept your "opinion" as truth. Sorry, I don't accept that premise.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Care to supply evidence to support your assertion that the Bible has been "disproven many, many times"?

There have been hundreds of archaeological discoveries that have confirmed people, places, and events listed in the Bible. In addition, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

blackregiment

So I guess you expect people to accept your "opinion" s truth. Sorry, I don't accept that premise.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"] Look, the thing is all this "proof" is only out of one book and that book has been disproved many, many times already. There is no proof out of that book.

darklord888

Care to supply evidence to support your assertion that the Bible has been "disproven many, many times"?

There have been hundreds of archaeological discoveries that have confirmed people, places, and events listed in the Bible. In addition, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

On topic,

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus. It is a reminder of how we are all blessed and so loved by God. It doesn't matter if her was born December 25, or June 6, it is a time for people to return to their faith and reconcile with God.

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing. Has a good meaning of Christmas.

"Glory to the newborn king

peace on earth, and mercy mild.

God and sinners reconcilled."

That is the true meanig of Christmas.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Care to supply evidence to support your assertion that the Bible has been "disproven many, many times"?

There have been hundreds of archaeological discoveries that have confirmed people, places, and events listed in the Bible. In addition, there are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

danwallacefan

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="darklord888"] Pretty much all of the old testament has been disproved. None of the new testament has been proved. Sorry for the double post but it won't let me quote 2 people.darklord888

So I guess you expect people to accept your "opinion" s truth. Sorry, I don't accept that premise.

I deal in evidence, not personl opinion. Here's a "few" things for you to consider. Enjoy!

Archeological discoveries that confirm the Bible

Assembled by Black Regiment

Gabriel's Vision Stone Tablet: Prophecy of the Coming Messiah Jesus?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/gabriels_vision_stone.html

Seal of Gedaliah, Son of Pashur, Confirms the Existence of One of Jeremiah's Persecutors

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/seal_of_gedaliah.html

No Proof for the Exodus?

The potential role of Thera and 14C dating of the destruction of Jericho

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/thera.html

Hezekiah's Siloam Tunnel Confirmed Through C-14 Dating

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/hezekiah.html

Old Testament Dates of Edomite Kingdom Confirmed by Archeological Find

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/edom.html

Old Testament Dates of Solomon and Egyptian King Shishak Confirmed by 14C Dates from Tel Rehov

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/tel-rehov.html

Carbon-14 Dating of Copper Smelting in Edom (Jordan) Confirm Biblical Date of King Solomon's Kingdom

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/solomon_copper_ruins.html

Early (10th Century B.C.) Evidence of Written Hebrew Language at Tel Zayit, Israel

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/tel-zayit.html

Cuneiform Receipt from King Nebuchadnezzar's Court Confirms Detail of Old Testament Book of Jeremiah

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/cuneiform_confirms_jeremiah.html

Early (3rd Century A.D.) Christian Church at Megiddo, Israel

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/megiddo_church.html

Seal of Queen Jezebel Confirms Her Existence from the Old Testament Books of the Kings

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/seal_of_jezebel.html

Fallen Empires

http://www.bible-history.com/empires/

The Book of Acts and Archaeology

http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/papers/actsarcheology.html

Archaeology and the New Testament

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/arch-nt.html

IS THE BIBLE TRUE?

Extraordinary insights from archaeology and history

http://www.uhcg.org/news/is-bible-true.html

Written In Stone: Archeology & The Bible

http://everystudentpromotion.com/wires/archaeology.html

ISRAEL'S ORIGINS

http://www.ancientdays.net/israelsorigins.htm

Archaeological Evidence Supporting the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/archaeological-evidence-supporting-the-bible.html

Tyre and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/tyre-and-the-bible.html

Petra and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/petra-and-the-bible.html

Egypt and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/egypt-and-the-bible.html

Babylon and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/babylon-and-the-bible.html

The walls of Jericho

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/jericho.asp

What is the importance of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a023.html

Searching for Moses

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/moses.asp

The James claims

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i2/james.asp

False History—'out with David and Solomon!'

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/history.asp

Does Archaeology Support the Bible? a wealth of information

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-archaeology-support-the-bible

Have the burial sites of any people in the Bible been found?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a026.html

Have any likenesses been found of persons named in the Bible?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a010.html

Have any man-made structures mentioned in the Bible been unearthed by archaeologists?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a005.html

Is there any confirmation of Biblical events from written sources outside the Bible?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a009.html

Is there archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a021.html

Bible Believer's Archaeology Book #1 a wealth of information

http://www.biblehistory.net/bible_history.htm

Bible Believer's Archaeology Book #2 a wealth of information

http://www.biblehistory.net/biblical_archaeology.htm

Video on the Red Sea Crossing

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

Video on Sodom and Gomorrah

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm

Video on Mount Sinai

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

Video on Noah's Ark

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah-index.htm

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"][QUOTE="darklord888"] Pretty much all of the old testament has been disproved. None of the new testament has been proved. Sorry for the double post but it won't let me quote 2 people.darklord888

More opinions I see. I have to get ready for Church but I will address the inaccuracies of your opinions later.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

So I guess you expect people to accept your "opinion" s truth. Sorry, I don't accept that premise.

blackregiment

I deal in evidence, not personl opinion. Here's a "few" things for you to consider. Enjoy!

Archeological discoveries that confirm the Bible

Assembled by Black Regiment

Gabriel's Vision Stone Tablet: Prophecy of the Coming Messiah Jesus?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/gabriels_vision_stone.html

Seal of Gedaliah, Son of Pashur, Confirms the Existence of One of Jeremiah's Persecutors

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/seal_of_gedaliah.html

No Proof for the Exodus?

The potential role of Thera and 14C dating of the destruction of Jericho

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/thera.html

Hezekiah's Siloam Tunnel Confirmed Through C-14 Dating

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/hezekiah.html

Old Testament Dates of Edomite Kingdom Confirmed by Archeological Find

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/edom.html

Old Testament Dates of Solomon and Egyptian King Shishak Confirmed by 14C Dates from Tel Rehov

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/tel-rehov.html

Carbon-14 Dating of Copper Smelting in Edom (Jordan) Confirm Biblical Date of King Solomon's Kingdom

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/solomon_copper_ruins.html

Early (10th Century B.C.) Evidence of Written Hebrew Language at Tel Zayit, Israel

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/tel-zayit.html

Cuneiform Receipt from King Nebuchadnezzar's Court Confirms Detail of Old Testament Book of Jeremiah

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/cuneiform_confirms_jeremiah.html

Early (3rd Century A.D.) Christian Church at Megiddo, Israel

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/megiddo_church.html

Seal of Queen Jezebel Confirms Her Existence from the Old Testament Books of the Kings

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/seal_of_jezebel.html

Fallen Empires

http://www.bible-history.com/empires/

The Book of Acts and Archaeology

http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/papers/actsarcheology.html

Archaeology and the New Testament

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/arch-nt.html

IS THE BIBLE TRUE?

Extraordinary insights from archaeology and history

http://www.uhcg.org/news/is-bible-true.html

Written In Stone: Archeology & The Bible

http://everystudentpromotion.com/wires/archaeology.html

ISRAEL'S ORIGINS

http://www.ancientdays.net/israelsorigins.htm

Archaeological Evidence Supporting the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/archaeological-evidence-supporting-the-bible.html

Tyre and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/tyre-and-the-bible.html

Petra and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/petra-and-the-bible.html

Egypt and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/egypt-and-the-bible.html

Babylon and the Bible

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/babylon-and-the-bible.html

The walls of Jericho

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/jericho.asp

What is the importance of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a023.html

Searching for Moses

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/moses.asp

The James claims

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i2/james.asp

False History-'out with David and Solomon!'

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/history.asp

Does Archaeology Support the Bible? a wealth of information

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-archaeology-support-the-bible

Have the burial sites of any people in the Bible been found?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a026.html

Have any likenesses been found of persons named in the Bible?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a010.html

Have any man-made structures mentioned in the Bible been unearthed by archaeologists?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a005.html

Is there any confirmation of Biblical events from written sources outside the Bible?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a009.html

Is there archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a021.html

Bible Believer's Archaeology Book #1 a wealth of information

http://www.biblehistory.net/bible_history.htm

Bible Believer's Archaeology Book #2 a wealth of information

http://www.biblehistory.net/biblical_archaeology.htm

Video on the Red Sea Crossing

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

Video on Sodom and Gomorrah

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm

Video on Mount Sinai

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

Video on Noah's Ark

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah-index.htm

blackregiment, we as Christians have no power to convert someone, that is the Holy Spirit's job. The most we can do is introduce someone to Christ and pray for them.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"] 1: How has the Old Testament been disproved? blackregiment

More opinions I see. I have to get ready for Church but I will address the inaccuracies of your opinions later.

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"][QUOTE="darklord888"] Pretty much all of the old testament has been disproved. None of the new testament has been proved. Sorry for the double post but it won't let me quote 2 people.darklord888

If any Christian has a Christmas tree, Christmas hat, Santa Claus, presents, alcohol (of any kind), food, or family togetherness, they are actually paying tribute to a pagan holiday :| . I know people who won't celebrate Halloween ("because it's pagan") who celebrate Christmas - it's no different. Romans simply stuck Jesus into a holiday that was so popular they couldn't get rid of it.subrosian

i know Christians that refuse to practice Xmas because of all of this - which is why I was curious to see how BR and CM celebrate being self-professed 'right wing extremist baptists' with a flair for literal interpretation of the bible.

instead of answering he goes and puts the questions to 'gotquestions.org' to find an obscure answer to a question that has been answered by biblical scholars and religious studies students. apparently obscurity is an excuse to practice pagan beliefs.

even if there are differing answers on the pagan origins (which there is little differentiation in fact. nearly all acknowledge Saturnalia - of which there is plenty of record - ALL of them reference pagan activities). so just because it isn't definitive as to which ones are represented intentionally is no excuse to practice the current celebration.

add to this that astronomers recently pinned Jesus birth to June 17th based on astronomical observations in the bible (yes, Christian astronomers) and the pickle gets all the more interesting. i will be paying much attention to this thread as i find this contradiction fascinating. i find their unwillingness to confront the issue all the more fascinating. instead they just turn the argument to things they have a 'cut/paste' response they can drop in to the 'reply' box.

Why do you bother, darklord? You're never going to convince someone who is willing to believe in the literal events of the Old Testament. Anybody who does believe such things has obviously already turned their back on science and rationality. espoac