What do you think is the worlds best military?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pyeeater"]

The US war machine as a whole has got to be rated as one of the best in the world simply because of their ability to use shock and awe tactics on the battlefield.

It is wrong to think they are the best trained forcesin the world , if you compare the basic training for US Marines compared to Royal Marines -

US - 12 weeks basic training

Royal - 32 weeks basic training

NicktehImperial

Now that depends....what is included in the 32 weeks training. Our training is broken into segments.

US MArines go through 12 week basic, then MCI, then ACI.

The Royal Marines dude.....not US. I know that.

I'm going with the US on this one. Having the best Navy and Air Force really helps the ground troops, without them the Army and Marines would be average.

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] typical American answer.CaptHawkeye

Gee, that's a cute little ad hominem you've got there.

What do you think the Russians are stupid. There are so many nukes hidden in siberia that the retaliation would turn all of the US into complete wasteland.

Proof of this?

Remember Russia has been around for far longer than the US,

This means absolutely nothing.

and has always been a powerful country, and a major power of europe.

I'm sure RussianCzar Nicholas II would piss himself laughing if he heard that.

Pretty much throughout the entire Impieral Age and much of the pre Soviet Industrial Age. During which time it maintained a largely feudal society and was able to project about ZERO of its power.

Didn't the collapse of the Mongol empire leave all that land to the Russians?

Pretty much. After the Mongols took a big leap down the staircase, all that the Slavs had to do was kick them until they were dead. They were already crippled and barely alive. To say that the Slavic military is superior merely because of age is absurd. The German Empire was much younger than Czarist Russia during WW1, yet that didn't stop them from giving the Russian Empire a proverbial ass raping despite being engaged in a two front war.

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pyeeater"]

The US war machine as a whole has got to be rated as one of the best in the world simply because of their ability to use shock and awe tactics on the battlefield.

It is wrong to think they are the best trained forcesin the world , if you compare the basic training for US Marines compared to Royal Marines -

US - 12 weeks basic training

Royal - 32 weeks basic training

DivergeUnify

Now that depends....what is included in the 32 weeks training. Our training is broken into segments.

US MArines go through 12 week basic, then MCI, then ACI.

MCI=Marine Combat Infantry (school)

ACI=Advanced Combat Infantry (school)

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] typical American answer.NicktehImperial

Gee, that's a cute little ad hominem you've got there.

What do you think the Russians are stupid. There are so many nukes hidden in siberia that the retaliation would turn all of the US into complete wasteland.

Proof of this?

Remember Russia has been around for far longer than the US,

This means absolutely nothing.

and has always been a powerful country, and a major power of europe.

I'm sure RussianCzar Nicholas II would piss himself laughing if he heard that.

Pretty much throughout the entire Impieral Age and much of the pre Soviet Industrial Age. During which time it maintained a largely feudal society and was able to project about ZERO of its power.

Didn't the collapse of the Mongol empire leave all that land to the Russians?

Pretty much. After the Mongols took a big leap down the staircase, all that the Slavs had to do was kick them until they were dead. They were already crippled and barely alive. To say that the Slavic military is superior merely because of age is absurd. The German Empire was much younger than Czarist Russia during WW1, yet that didn't stop them from giving the Russian Empire a proverbial ass raping despite being engaged in a two front war.

I thought the Germans lost WW1?

They did, but check up on 1917 sometime. Russia withdrew from the war as a result of unsustainable casualties. This produced an ideal situation for Germany,until the US enteredthe war. Which tilted the scale back into Allied favor.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] typical American answer.muscleserge

Gee, that's a cute little ad hominem you've got there.

What do you think the Russians are stupid. There are so many nukes hidden in siberia that the retaliation would turn all of the US into complete wasteland.

Proof of this?

Remember Russia has been around for far longer than the US,

This means absolutely nothing.

and has always been a powerful country, and a major power of europe.

I'm sure RussianCzar Nicholas II would piss himself laughing if he heard that.

Pretty much throughout the entire Impieral Age and much of the pre Soviet Industrial Age. During which time it maintained a largely feudal society and was able to project about ZERO of its power.

Didn't the collapse of the Mongol empire leave all that land to the Russians?

Pretty much. After the Mongols took a big leap down the staircase, all that the Slavs had to do was kick them until they were dead. They were already crippled and barely alive. To say that the Slavic military is superior merely because of age is absurd. The German Empire was much younger than Czarist Russia during WW1, yet that didn't stop them from giving the Russian Empire a proverbial ass raping despite being engaged in a two front war.

CaptainHawkeye has TEN times the intelligence you'll ever have.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="muscleserge"] When was russia not a major world power?mig_killer2

Russia is a major world power right now. Saying otherwise is just silly. It is one of the few countries to posses nukes, it is also one of the 5 permanant members of the security council and there are a whole heap of natural resources in Russia.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

The light is starting to come to me and I'm thinking that if we got in a war with China( assuming it was like pre-iraq when we could support a fresh war), we would loose because of their sheer numbers ASSUMING that it was a war on their land.

I'm talking on the infantry front though. I know for a fact that our airforce would be unparalleled. My dad said on the news a couple days ago, US and Israel did an airstrike over Kuwait and took out their AA system which was supposed to be the best in the world and we didn't loose a single jet. Thats pretty good...

NicktehImperial

In my personel opinion. China would lose, because it would just be more soldiers for our guys to kill.

In fact, it would almost be like the perfect war for the US and its allies....

um we really dont have allies...we have people that use us for our **** if we where in trouble they wouldnt help us....

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] typical American answer.CaptHawkeye

Gee, that's a cute little ad hominem you've got there.

What do you think the Russians are stupid. There are so many nukes hidden in siberia that the retaliation would turn all of the US into complete wasteland.

Proof of this?

Remember Russia has been around for far longer than the US,

This means absolutely nothing.

and has always been a powerful country, and a major power of europe.

I'm sure RussianCzar Nicholas II would piss himself laughing if he heard that.

Pretty much throughout the entire Impieral Age and much of the pre Soviet Industrial Age. During which time it maintained a largely feudal society and was able to project about ZERO of its power.

Didn't the collapse of the Mongol empire leave all that land to the Russians?

Pretty much. After the Mongols took a big leap down the staircase, all that the Slavs had to do was kick them until they were dead. They were already crippled and barely alive. To say that the Slavic military is superior merely because of age is absurd. The German Empire was much younger than Czarist Russia during WW1, yet that didn't stop them from giving the Russian Empire a proverbial ass raping despite being engaged in a two front war.

I thought the Germans lost WW1?

They did, but check up on 1917 sometime. Russia withdrew from the war as a result of unsustainable casualties. This produced an ideal situation for Germany,until the US enteredthe war. Which tilted the scale back into Allied favor.

So I geuss they didn't do thatgood in WW1, I need to learn more about WW1, but its so overshadowed by WW2!

So that is why Bismark was so afraid of Russian involvement in WW1.muscleserge

:roll: Way to take Bismarck out of context, douche. He was implying the dangers of a TWO FRONT WAR. World War 1 was such an unmitigated disaster for Russia that it actually led to the collapse of the Czarist government. Which Lenin was all too pleased to take advantage of.

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

The light is starting to come to me and I'm thinking that if we got in a war with China( assuming it was like pre-iraq when we could support a fresh war), we would loose because of their sheer numbers ASSUMING that it was a war on their land.

I'm talking on the infantry front though. I know for a fact that our airforce would be unparalleled. My dad said on the news a couple days ago, US and Israel did an airstrike over Kuwait and took out their AA system which was supposed to be the best in the world and we didn't loose a single jet. Thats pretty good...

Markpwns12

In my personel opinion. China would lose, because it would just be more soldiers for our guys to kill.

In fact, it would almost be like the perfect war for the US and its allies....

um we really dont have allies...we have people that use us for our **** if we where in trouble they wouldnt help us....

Care to back up this outragous claim?

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pyeeater"]

The US war machine as a whole has got to be rated as one of the best in the world simply because of their ability to use shock and awe tactics on the battlefield.

It is wrong to think they are the best trained forcesin the world , if you compare the basic training for US Marines compared to Royal Marines -

US - 12 weeks basic training

Royal - 32 weeks basic training

NicktehImperial

Now that depends....what is included in the 32 weeks training. Our training is broken into segments.

US MArines go through 12 week basic, then MCI, then ACI.

MCI=Marine Combat Infantry (school)

ACI=Advanced Combat Infantry (school)

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] So that is why Bismark was so afraid of Russian involvement in WW1.CaptHawkeye

:roll: Way to take Bismarck out of context, douche. He was implying the dangers of a TWO FRONT WAR. World War 1 was such an unmitigated disaster for Russia that it actually led to the collapse of the Czarist government. Which Lenin was all too pleased to take advantage of.

So I geuss Communism DID work better for them, until, well, you know.

Well, my grandfather and uncle told me that Russian communism was never real communism.

Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.muscleserge

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]"Russia posted gross domestic product growth of 6.4% in 1999, 10% in 2000, 5.1% in 2001, 4.7% in 2002, 7.3% in 2003, 7.2% in 2004, 6.4% in 2005, 6.8% in 2006 with industrial sector posting high growth figures as well. Russia became the fastest growing economy in the G8. It is expected to grow about 7% in 2007." "Russia has been experiencing a boom in capital investment since the beginning of 2007. Capital investment showed record growth in June, rising 27.2 percent over June of last year in real terms (adjusted for price changes), to 579.8 billion rubles, with construction industry leading the way. That is a rise of 58 percent in nominal terms and a better showing than in China. " from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#Economic_history.2C_1996-2007 Economy Stagnant, I think not. I am gonna search for the growth rate links.LJS9502_basic

Thats fine and all....but their economy has a long way to go yet.

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pyeeater"]

The US war machine as a whole has got to be rated as one of the best in the world simply because of their ability to use shock and awe tactics on the battlefield.

It is wrong to think they are the best trained forcesin the world , if you compare the basic training for US Marines compared to Royal Marines -

US - 12 weeks basic training

Royal - 32 weeks basic training

DivergeUnify

Now that depends....what is included in the 32 weeks training. Our training is broken into segments.

US MArines go through 12 week basic, then MCI, then ACI.

MCI=Marine Combat Infantry (school)

ACI=Advanced Combat Infantry (school)

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.CaptHawkeye

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] So that is why Bismark was so afraid of Russian involvement in WW1.NicktehImperial

:roll: Way to take Bismarck out of context, douche. He was implying the dangers of a TWO FRONT WAR. World War 1 was such an unmitigated disaster for Russia that it actually led to the collapse of the Czarist government. Which Lenin was all too pleased to take advantage of.

So I geuss Communism DID work better for them, until, well, you know.

Well, my grandfather and uncle told me that Russian communism was never real communism.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pyeeater"]

The US war machine as a whole has got to be rated as one of the best in the world simply because of their ability to use shock and awe tactics on the battlefield.

It is wrong to think they are the best trained forcesin the world , if you compare the basic training for US Marines compared to Royal Marines -

US - 12 weeks basic training

Royal - 32 weeks basic training

NicktehImperial

Now that depends....what is included in the 32 weeks training. Our training is broken into segments.

US MArines go through 12 week basic, then MCI, then ACI.

MCI=Marine Combat Infantry (school)

ACI=Advanced Combat Infantry (school)

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]"Russia posted gross domestic product growth of 6.4% in 1999, 10% in 2000, 5.1% in 2001, 4.7% in 2002, 7.3% in 2003, 7.2% in 2004, 6.4% in 2005, 6.8% in 2006 with industrial sector posting high growth figures as well. Russia became the fastest growing economy in the G8. It is expected to grow about 7% in 2007." "Russia has been experiencing a boom in capital investment since the beginning of 2007. Capital investment showed record growth in June, rising 27.2 percent over June of last year in real terms (adjusted for price changes), to 579.8 billion rubles, with construction industry leading the way. That is a rise of 58 percent in nominal terms and a better showing than in China. " from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia#Economic_history.2C_1996-2007 Economy Stagnant, I think not. I am gonna search for the growth rate links.muscleserge

Thats fine and all....but their economy has a long way to go yet.

Our Frosty friends up north have nothing to do with you evil commies to the east, except for the fact that you CLAIMED that you discovered the north pole first, which infact the Canadians did.

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

NicktehImperial

You're serving once you're enlisted dude....

So I geuss Communism DID work better for them, until, well, you know.NicktehImperial

What's ironic is that it didn't evenwork from the outset. Lenin's application of communism went so horribly afoul he actually had to inject capalistic ideals to keep Russia from tearing itself apart completely. Hence "war communism". Which was basically Lenin's nickname for "temporary capitalism".

Well, my grandfather and uncle told me that Russian communism was never real communism.

He was right. The Soviet Union was authoritarian socialism.

um we really dont have allies...we have people that use us for our **** if we where in trouble they wouldnt help us....

Markpwns12

Yeah because no-one helped you invade and occupy iraq. /sarcasm

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] typical American answer.CaptHawkeye

Gee, that's a cute little ad hominem you've got there.

What do you think the Russians are stupid. There are so many nukes hidden in siberia that the retaliation would turn all of the US into complete wasteland.

Proof of this?

Remember Russia has been around for far longer than the US,

This means absolutely nothing.

and has always been a powerful country, and a major power of europe.

I'm sure RussianCzar Nicholas II would piss himself laughing if he heard that.

Pretty much throughout the entire Impieral Age and much of the pre Soviet Industrial Age. During which time it maintained a largely feudal society and was able to project about ZERO of its power.

Didn't the collapse of the Mongol empire leave all that land to the Russians?

Pretty much. After the Mongols took a big leap down the staircase, all that the Slavs had to do was kick them until they were dead. They were already crippled and barely alive. To say that the Slavic military is superior merely because of age is absurd. The German Empire was much younger than Czarist Russia during WW1, yet that didn't stop them from giving the Russian Empire a proverbial ass raping despite being engaged in a two front war.

I thought the Germans lost WW1?

They did, but check up on 1917 sometime. Russia withdrew from the war as a result of unsustainable casualties. This produced an ideal situation for Germany,until the US enteredthe war. Which tilted the scale back into Allied favor.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] So that is why Bismark was so afraid of Russian involvement in WW1.CaptHawkeye

:roll: Way to take Bismarck out of context, douche. He was implying the dangers of a TWO FRONT WAR. World War 1 was such an unmitigated disaster for Russia that it actually led to the collapse of the Czarist government. Which Lenin was all too pleased to take advantage of.

No need for insults now....

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

LJS9502_basic

You're serving once you're enlisted dude....

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

LJS9502_basic

You're serving once you're enlisted dude....

You know what I mean, before they go off with some unit or off into a war or some other country ETC....

[QUOTE="Markpwns12"]

um we really dont have allies...we have people that use us for our **** if we where in trouble they wouldnt help us....

Loonie

Yeah because no-one helped you invade and occupy iraq. /sarcasm

Relax....we know the UK is a good ally.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

DivergeUnify

You're serving once you're enlisted dude....

What I said was right....

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] So that is why Bismark was so afraid of Russian involvement in WW1.CaptHawkeye

:roll: Way to take Bismarck out of context, douche. He was implying the dangers of a TWO FRONT WAR. World War 1 was such an unmitigated disaster for Russia that it actually led to the collapse of the Czarist government. Which Lenin was all too pleased to take advantage of.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

YES, obviously, although they are considered real Marines out of basic, but tey go through those two other schools afterwords BEFORE they can actually serve.

DivergeUnify

You're serving once you're enlisted dude....

I was never a Marine... I was Army. But the military services are set up similiar. You go to basic and then AIT to learn your MOS.

AIT= Advanced individual Training and MOS = Military Occupational Skill. That is required before you are sent to your duty station since that is your actual job in the service. The MOS varies as to length of time in training.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.CaptHawkeye

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Russia withdrew its troops mainly due to the internal conflict with the reds,muscleserge

Which would have never happened had Czarist Russia been able to handle the war. Remember that Lenin took advantage of the anger in the Russian populace generated by the extreme casualties being suffered at the front.

and some economical reasons obviously.

And what do you think CAUSED those economic problems exactly?

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.muscleserge

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

NicktehImperial

Where did you come up with that?

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

LJS9502_basic

Where did you come up with that?

Go read up WW2 casualties.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.muscleserge

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Boo god damn hoo. Unlike your post above, I actually presented an AGRUMENT with my post.

Oh, and by the way. Rejecting an argument because you don't like how it was worded is a cop out. Known as "style over substance". Your little "history class" tirade, was an ad hominem. So don't bother confusing the two.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.NicktehImperial

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

I hate to nitpick out of the blue but...I...I can't let this go.

It's relied, Nick, not rely'd. :?

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.The_Ish

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

I hate to nitpick out of the blue but...I...I can't let this go.

It's relied, Nick, not rely'd. :?

I'm trying to type as faast as possible.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

NicktehImperial

Where did you come up with that?

Go read up WW2 casualties.

All countries have casualties...:|

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.NicktehImperial

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

I hate to nitpick out of the blue but...I...I can't let this go.

It's relied, Nick, not rely'd. :?

I'm trying to type as faast as possible.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Russia withdrew its troops mainly due to the internal conflict with the reds,CaptHawkeye

Which would have never happened had Czarist Russia been able to handle the war. Remember that Lenin took advantage of the anger in the Russian populace generated by the extreme casualties being suffered at the front.

and some economical reasons obviously.

And what do you think CAUSED those economic problems exactly?

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

NicktehImperial

[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.

LJS9502_basic

Where did you come up with that?

Go read up WW2 casualties.

All countries have casualties...:|

Does that mean they have to be enormously huge?

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] So that is why Bismark was so afraid of Russian involvement in WW1.muscleserge

:roll: Way to take Bismarck out of context, douche. He was implying the dangers of a TWO FRONT WAR. World War 1 was such an unmitigated disaster for Russia that it actually led to the collapse of the Czarist government. Which Lenin was all too pleased to take advantage of.

Which did absolutely nothing to stop the Germans from going ballistic on them. And Russia's internal conflicts were WORSENED by absurdly high Russian casualties vs. German deaths at the front.

Going into internal political strife in Czarist Russia is a red herring. In the end, Czarist Russia threw as much weight as it could at Germany, and was still defeated by an oppenent who was already splitting his forces badly. If Russia was as strong as you claim it was, Lenin would never has asked for a cease fire from the Germans in 1917. Nor would he had GIVEN them land to get them off his back.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Ass-raping wow, you need to go to history class.NicktehImperial

:roll: :lol: Don't respond to the argument or anything. Just attack my character!

Russians always rely'd on their vast numbers, as individuals they are weak.