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#1 Capitan_Kid
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Are they a danger to our society? No big deal? Why do they sneak into America? Is it hard to get here the legal way? Can we really blame them for wanting a better life?
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#2 liberalus
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no big deal at all. i love them. come on in baby! they improve our economy, make babies that will grow up to vote democratic, i love their food, add much needed diversity to the u.s., come on in!

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#3 worlock77
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It's not really much of an issue as far as I'm concerned.

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#4 nooblet69
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I think its ok for really hard working immigrants to come in. But not by the boat loads. There should be a screening period or some kind of regulations to keep only the hard working contributor to society immigrants coming in. As long as they are working hard to become a citizen and a good one at that then they are just as worthy of living here as any other American imo. Not a fan of the immigrants that come and get invloved with all types of crime and get welfare.

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#6 liberalus
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no big deal at all. i love them. come on in baby! they improve our economy, make babies that will grow up to vote democratic, i love their food, add much needed diversity to the u.s., come on in!

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#7 Makhaidos
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It's unfortunate that conditions in their home country are so severe and that immigration requirements are so screwed up that they have to resort to breaking the law to come find a better life. The system should be revamped and current immigrants in here illegally should be given the chance to learn English (if applicable) in order to become tax-paying citizens.

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#8 Capitan_Kid
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It's unfortunate that conditions in their home country are so severe and that immigration requirements are so screwed up that they have to resort to breaking the law to come find a better life. The system should be revamped and current immigrants in here illegally should be given the chance to learn English in order to become tax-paying citizens.Makhaidos
Is that why they sneak in? There's prerequisites for becoming an immigrant?
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#9 Toxic-Seahorse
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I'm not sure how anyone can actually be in favor of illegal immigration. It's just a huge slap int he face to those that actually immigrated here legally. I wouldn't consider them a danger to society, but the law is the law.
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#10 Makhaidos
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I'm not sure how anyone can actually be in favor of illegal immigration. It's just a huge slap int he face to those that actually immigrated here legally. I wouldn't consider them a danger to society, but the law is the law.Toxic-Seahorse
Precisely why nobody is in favor of illegal immigration, except the people who hire illegal immigrants for pennies an hour.
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#11 worlock77
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I'm not sure how anyone can actually be in favor of illegal immigration. It's just a huge slap int he face to those that actually immigrated here legally. I wouldn't consider them a danger to society, but the law is the law.Toxic-Seahorse

No one is "in favor" of illegal immigration, save for those who hire illegals for near slave wages, some of us just don't see it as a big deal.

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#13 Gaming-Planet
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Illegals are what built our country, the United States of America.

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#14 lostrib
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They took our Jerbs!

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#15 GamingTitan
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It shouldn't be such a nightmare to get in to the country legally. Reform is needed. Let those that are already in stay but make them pay a MUCH higher tax rate for the next decade or so to make up for the fact they snuck in illegaly, or give them the option to serve in the military for a few years to make up for it. Something along those lines. If they have a problem with that then they can have a free bus ride to the border. 

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#16 Ace6301
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I think I'm hard pressed to fault them for their actions. They should be encouraged to go through more legitimate ways however, if only for census keeping and to ensure they're protected by the law as much as anyone else is, rather than the current system which seems to punish them for first illegally immigrating and then later on attempting legal status.
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#17 GOGOGOGURT
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They are not helping.  It's not 1910 anymore, we don't need immigrants.  At this point they are a detriment.

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#18 worlock77
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They are not helping.  It's not 1910 anymore, we don't need immigrants.  At this point they are a detriment.

GOGOGOGURT

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

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#19 Praisedasun
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In my country,they are a plague.

Many of them are criminals,and at about 90% of the time they don't pay taxes and their existence is ignored.

They also occupy many job places,because they ask way fewer money than the locals.On many cases,they are being used and they aren't paid at all.

It isn't their fault though.They are just searching for a better life.

The goverment must always be on its guard and protect the borders,to prevent any new ones from coming.

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#20 GOGOGOGURT
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

They are not helping.  It's not 1910 anymore, we don't need immigrants.  At this point they are a detriment.

worlock77

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

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#21 masiisam
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

They are not helping.  It's not 1910 anymore, we don't need immigrants.  At this point they are a detriment.

GOGOGOGURT

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

You cant be that ignorantWho do you think picks the crops? For a fraction of MIN wage..Prices would go though the roof

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#22 worlock77
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

masiisam

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

You cant be that ignorantWho do you think picks the crops? For a fraction of MIN wage..Prices would go though the roof

Yup.

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#23 GOGOGOGURT
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

masiisam

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

You cant be that ignorantWho do you think picks the crops? For a fraction of MIN wage..Prices would go though the roof

Yes I agree, but they would probably bring workers in if there were no illegals, or develop machines for it.

Ever seen one of these?Suikerbietenrooier_zesrijige_bunker_%28S

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#24 famicommander
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It's only an issue because they burden the taxpayer and take jobs at lower wages than Americans can (legally), thereby pricing low productivity workers out of the market entirely and causing THEM to rely on the taxpayer as well. If there were no welfare state or minimum wage I would be 100% in favor of open borders. The idea that anyone else has the right to tell a nonviolent individual where he can live (as long as said place to live is acquired voluntarily) is absurd. As it stands we should reduce all barriers to citizenship so that migrant workers do not harm low income citizens and taxpayers as much.
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#25 worlock77
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

GOGOGOGURT

You cant be that ignorantWho do you think picks the crops? For a fraction of MIN wage..Prices would go though the roof

Yes I agree, but they would probably bring workers in if there were no illegals, or develop machines for it.

Ever seen one of these?Suikerbietenrooier_zesrijige_bunker_%28S

They hire illegals because no one else is willing to do the work for such small wages (not even minimum) and giant threshers aren't suited for small fruits and veggies (not to mention that most common fruits grown on trees, which you can't thresh anyway).

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#26 Audacitron
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The problem of illegal immigration is one that is easily solved.  Make all immigration legal.

 

I dunno, I feel that so long as they can support themselves and pay the rent, people should be free to live whereever they choose.  There's practical considerations of course, so this is an unachievable ideal in many situations, but it's the direction we should move towards.

 

With globalisation, money can go anywhere.  You can use the money you made in America to set up factories in Vietnam.  I feel people should have much the same freedom.  If you can take your wealth to any country and give the job to the lowest bidder, workers should be able to take their labor to any country and sell that to the highest bidder. 

 

Consider the situation:  As a US citizen, I can move thousands of miles, say from the east coast, from Maine or Vermont, all the way down to Southern California to take a job.  Some poor Mexican maybe 5 miles south of the border can't take the same job.

 

In an ideal world, all these borders should go the way of the Berlin wall.

 

 

 

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#27 dominer
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Not that big of a deal.

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#28 deactivated-5acfa3a8bc51d
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Americans should immigrate to other countries
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#29 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

GOGOGOGURT

You cant be that ignorantWho do you think picks the crops? For a fraction of MIN wage..Prices would go though the roof

Yes I agree, but they would probably bring workers in if there were no illegals, or develop machines for it.

Ever seen one of these?

Judging by your knowledge of how farms operate I'd guess you haven't.

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#30 GazaAli
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The thing about immigration is, requirements for it are ridiculously hard. I personally have no idea how people manage to legally immigrate to western countries. The ironic part in all of this is that since its too hard to legally immigrate to a western country, people often do it illegally. And those who are willing to illegally immigrate either have no respect for the law or are ok with putting themselves in humiliating and dangerous situations. In either cases it can be inferred that these illegal immigrants most likely belong to lower classes in their home third world countries. On the other hand people who actually deserve a chance to immigrate to a decent western country are neither willing to break the law nor are ok with putting themselves in humiliating and dangerous situations so they just don't immigrate altogether and stay stuck in their shit countries. You see the irony here? In conclusion the immigration system put by western countries to ensure quality immigrants who can contribute to the prosperity of those countries is serving the complete opposite purpose.
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#31 0Hamburgher
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[QUOTE="liberalus"]

no big deal at all. i love them. come on in baby! they improve our economy, make babies that will grow up to vote democratic, i love their food, add much needed diversity to the u.s., come on in!

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Most of them are short and fat
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#32 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

They are not helping.  It's not 1910 anymore, we don't need immigrants.  At this point they are a detriment.

worlock77

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

Weak, let the market work. Prices shouldn't be an excuse for allowing people to break the law.
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#33 Capitan_Kid
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Im surprised a lot of you dont seem to care that illegal immigrants arent paying taxes.
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#34 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

They are not helping.  It's not 1910 anymore, we don't need immigrants.  At this point they are a detriment.

Master_Live

I hope you don't buy fruits or veggies (or things that contain them) much.

Weak, let the market work. Prices shouldn't be an excuse for allowing people to break the law.

Indeed. Do away with the law and let the market work.

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Im surprised a lot of you dont seem to care that illegal immigrants arent paying taxes. Capitan_Kid
They do pay some taxes.
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#36 MakeMeaSammitch
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gotta have somebody working on the farms. Citizens won't do it.

I remember they passed some legislation banning the employment of illegals somewhere in the south and tons of farmers went out of business because they had no workers. This is during high rates of employment too! That's right, U.S. citizens would rather be unemployed then make minimum wage working in the field.

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Im surprised a lot of you dont seem to care that illegal immigrants arent paying taxes. Capitan_Kid
Good for them. The problem is not that they AREN'T paying, it's that we ARE.
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#38 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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gotta have somebody working on the farms. Citizens won't do it.

I remember they passed some legislation banning the employment of illegals somewhere in the south and tons of farmers went out of business because they had no workers. This is during high rates of employment too! That's right, U.S. citizens would rather be unemployed then make minimum wage working in the field.

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Certainly not in the midwest. I see very few non-white people working on farms here.
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while illegal immigrant give some benefit in wii-uSA, illegal immigrant who smuggle themself to other country only give the local more problem ....... - Rome .... immigrant from china and africa selling street-stuff like umbrellas and toys ..... are part-time pickpocket ..... my my parents are the victim twice - Malaysia ... Illegal voters from bangladesh, indonesia and philiphine who are responsible of current government victory in 2013 General Election and the Sulu terrorist Invasion of Sabah @north borneo that killed several people on february this year
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#40 ferrari2001
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They are breaking the law. Anyone who breaks the law should be adequately punished.
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#41 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

Cut the crap and tell me the plot twist.

GOGOGOGURT

You cant be that ignorantWho do you think picks the crops? For a fraction of MIN wage..Prices would go though the roof

Yes I agree, but they would probably bring workers in if there were no illegals, or develop machines for it.

Ever seen one of these?Suikerbietenrooier_zesrijige_bunker_%28S

LMAO *dies*
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#42 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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I kinda think that the US should implement a system that allows for illegal immigrants to earn citizenship. Something like enrolling in the military or other types of work that benefits the country for a certain amount of years qualifies them for citizenship.
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#43 tagyhag
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In the US, I think they're a necessity, if every single one were to leave, I'm sure food prices would go up through the roof. Our naturalization system is incredibly convoluted and needs to be fixed, I'm sure many if not all of the illegals would want to be citizens. Then there are those illegals who DO pay taxes (ITIN and the like) who should obviously have an easier route to become citizens. I'm glad Obama is at least working to pave a way to naturalize those that were brought here with their parents when they were young. I think the fact that we have kids in college who are working their ass off to earn a degree while a fat turd in middle america can sit in their sofa and collect welfare and still be called a citizen is a slap to the face to the whole system.
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Many of them risked their lives to get here and may never see their families again because of it, in short they sacrificed a lot in the name of chasing a better life that they believe only America could provide. They deserve better than the semi-derogatory term illegal.

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#45 Crushmaster
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Deport them.

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Many of them risked their lives to get here and may never see their families again because of it, in short they sacrificed a lot in the name of chasing a better life that they believe only America could provide. They deserve better than the semi-derogatory term illegal.

Serraph105
But that's exactly what they are. They broke the law and immigrated illegally. They're illegal immigrants. I sympathize with them and I know they're just looking for a better life, but the law is the law. We can't just let anybody come in that wants to.