What does the bench press mean to you?

Ive been lifting weights to gain a bit of muscle in my arms. Been doing it for a few weeks and it seems to be working. So much for the "correct" way to work out. Iantheone

[QUOTE="LightR"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Doesn't change the fact that isolation exercises are a waste of time.

What's your point? You are wasting your time doing bicep curls when you should be dedicating your training time to compound exercises. PERIOD.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

You ever lifted a heavy box of the ground?

Choga

If you play any sports then having core strength is essential.

I dont know of many sports training routines that put emphasis on squats tho. Squats dont build core strength, nor do benches or deadlifts.

maybe like football linemen, but thats mostly to make sure those fatties can support their own weight.

well what are things like squats good for? other than making you good at squats? Powerlifts are just about as useless as isolation exercises in the grand scheme of things.

Its not like any of it is building functional muscles used for everyday activities.

markinthedark

Are you serious ?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Dont think i've seen too many "Heavy Boxes" that would require someone who's good at squatting. They're mostly like 50-60lbs.markinthedark

If you play any sports then having core strength is essential.

I dont know of many sports training routines that put emphasis on squats tho. Squats dont build core strength, nor do benches or deadlifts.

maybe like football linemen, but thats mostly to make sure those fatties can support their own weight.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Dont think i've seen too many "Heavy Boxes" that would require someone who's good at squatting. They're mostly like 50-60lbs.LightR

If you play any sports then having core strength is essential.

Compound workouts are best for building core strength PERIOD. Stablizing 300+ pounds on your back requires insane amounts of core strength.

[QUOTE="LightR"][QUOTE="Choga"]

If you play any sports then having core strength is essential.

Choga

Compound workouts are best for building core strength PERIOD. Stablizing 300+ pounds on your back requires insane amounts of core strength.

no workouts that target the core are the best at targeting the core.

Squats are specifically designed to target leg muscles. Leg muscles aint the core.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

If you play any sports then having core strength is essential.

Choga

I dont know of many sports training routines that put emphasis on squats tho. Squats dont build core strength, nor do benches or deadlifts.

maybe like football linemen, but thats mostly to make sure those fatties can support their own weight.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Bench is fun and easy because you get to lay down when you lift unlike most but it really isnt a necesary workout for sports. Unless your a body builder stick to working out your back and legs a lot of clean lifts, bend over rows, squats. Shoulders also.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

I dont know of many sports training routines that put emphasis on squats tho. Squats dont build core strength, nor do benches or deadlifts.

maybe like football linemen, but thats mostly to make sure those fatties can support their own weight.

Nibroc420

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Please learn some anatomy before you comment. Squats work the posterior chain and your core is used to stabilize the weight.

Pro tip squats are almost about targeting the lowerback and "core' as they are legs

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Compound workouts are best for building core strength PERIOD. Stablizing 300+ pounds on your back requires insane amounts of core strength.

Choga

no workouts that target the core are the best at targeting the core.

Squats are specifically designed to target leg muscles. Leg muscles aint the core.

Squats work your posterior chain and your core is used to stabilize the weight.

using your core as stablizers isnt the same as targeting your core though. Thats the same as saying your biceps get a workout with chest flys because they are working as stabilizers... If you wanna work your biceps, you dont do chest flys.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

no workouts that target the core are the best at targeting the core.

Squats are specifically designed to target leg muscles. Leg muscles aint the core.

markinthedark

Squats work your posterior chain and your core is used to stabilize the weight.

using your core as stablizers isnt the same as targeting your core though. Thats the same as saying your biceps get a workout with chest flys because they are working as stabilizers... If you wanna work your biceps, you dont do chest flys.

That's the core's primary function - stabilization. Isolation exercises would just be a waste of time since it would interfere with recovery.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

no workouts that target the core are the best at targeting the core.

Squats are specifically designed to target leg muscles. Leg muscles aint the core.

markinthedark

Squats work your posterior chain and your core is used to stabilize the weight.

using your core as stablizers isnt the same as targeting your core though. Thats the same as saying your biceps get a workout with chest flys because they are working as stabilizers... If you wanna work your biceps, you dont do chest flys.

Pro tip squats are almost about targeting the lowerback and "core' as they are legs

raiden509

they shouldnt be unless you have bad form... in which case you are doing good mornings in combination with squats.

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Pro tip squats are almost about targeting the lowerback and "core' as they are legs

markinthedark

they shouldnt be unless you have bad form... in which case you are doing good mornings in combination with squats.

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Squats work your posterior chain and your core is used to stabilize the weight.

Choga

using your core as stablizers isnt the same as targeting your core though. Thats the same as saying your biceps get a workout with chest flys because they are working as stabilizers... If you wanna work your biceps, you dont do chest flys.

That's the core's primary function - stabilization. Isolation exercises would just be a waste of time since it would interfere with recovery.

Yeah, you've got no idea.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Pro tip squats are almost about targeting the lowerback and "core' as they are legs

Choga

they shouldnt be unless you have bad form... in which case you are doing good mornings in combination with squats.

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

no but i keep my back straight when i do squats... like proper form dictates.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Pro tip squats are almost about targeting the lowerback and "core' as they are legs

Choga

they shouldnt be unless you have bad form... in which case you are doing good mornings in combination with squats.

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

using your core as stablizers isnt the same as targeting your core though. Thats the same as saying your biceps get a workout with chest flys because they are working as stabilizers... If you wanna work your biceps, you dont do chest flys.

Nibroc420

That's the core's primary function - stabilization. Isolation exercises would just be a waste of time since it would interfere with recovery.

Yeah, you've got no idea.

If I did isolation exercisees in addition to my compound exercises I would be overworking my muscles, thus interfereing with recovery. But by all means keep believing your bro science.

Well, while we are on the topic of working out, whats the best way of strengthening my grip? I need it for the Police physical test and apparently im a bit weak at the moment. Any advice? Iantheone

I dont know of many sports training routines that put emphasis on squats tho. Squats dont build core strengthmarkinthedark

Well, while we are on the topic of working out, whats the best way of strengthening my grip? I need it for the Police physical test and apparently im a bit weak at the moment. Any advice? Iantheone

deadlifts.

You could try to isolate the grip and do some variety of repition involving opening and closing of your hand i suppose. Would probably be the most direct method. Or go rock climbing or something, thos guys have insane grip strength.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

That's the core's primary function - stabilization. Isolation exercises would just be a waste of time since it would interfere with recovery.

Choga

Yeah, you've got no idea.

If I did isolation exercisees in addition to my compound exercises I would be overworking my muscles, thus interfereing with recovery. But by all means keep believing your bro science.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

they shouldnt be unless you have bad form... in which case you are doing good mornings in combination with squats.

Nibroc420

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

they shouldnt be unless you have bad form... in which case you are doing good mornings in combination with squats.

Nibroc420

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

You're so misinformed it's not even funny.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

Choga

You're so misinformed it's not even funny.

If you are doing squats and working your back, you actually have a pretty dangerous form and could injure yourself. Squats arent meant to be a back exercise.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

raiden509

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

raiden509

the brain is transferring power via electrical signals? There is a reason you can wiggle your toes without wiggling your whole body in between. There is no transfer of power, you have direct neuropathways to your leg muscles.

I also have a question. When I bench press, my left wrest starts to hurt. I think my nerve on my left wrest is tighter (due to playing FPS using WASD keys), which is easier to get injured, especially when I tried to grip with my left hand. What you I do? Thank you.magicalclick

could be your grip, might just be weaker in your left wrist if its not your dominant hand.

I have problems with my wrists hurting while benching alot of weight and havent found an ideal solution, the best you can do is try to keep them straight.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

:lol: Let me guess, you do quart/half squats?

You're so misinformed it's not even funny.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] doing a proper squat wouldn't work your lower back. I'm with mark, chances are you're just doing good mornings.MgamerBD

You're so misinformed it's not even funny.

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain and if you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

I also have a question. When I bench press, my left wrest starts to hurt. I think my nerve on my left wrest is tighter (due to playing FPS using WASD keys), which is easier to get injured, especially when I tried to grip with my left hand. What you I do? Thank you.magicalclick

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Choga"]

You're so misinformed it's not even funny.

Choga

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain andif you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Then you're doing something wrong, your form is off.

Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kawBY5p29fQ

Im going to my angry dome !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIP91djvBMc&feature=related

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Actually he is right. you are going to hurt yourself. You need to keep your back straight man. It is not supposed to work your lower backNibroc420

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain andif you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Then you're doing something wrong, your form is off.

Ok I'll trust my strength coach over some bro scientist on the internet.

EDIT: Watch the videos the use above me posted.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain andif you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Choga

Then you're doing something wrong, your form is off.

Ok I'll trust my strength coach over some bro scientist on the internet.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Choga"]

You're so misinformed it's not even funny.

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain and if you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Actually he is right. you are going to hurt yourself. You need to keep your back straight man. It is not supposed to work your lower backMgamerBD

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain and if you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

i could care less how much i can bench press

the amount you can lift really wont get you too far in life, in my opinion

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain and if you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Choga

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

first of all gym rats arent always a gleaming source of scientific information, and that video says at the beginning "intro to the lowbar backsquat"

im not entirely sure what a "lowbar backsquat" is... if i saw him actually do the lift... maybe it would be different. But im sure they called it a "lowbar backsquat" instead of a squat for a reason.

A proper squat shouldnt work the back.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain and if you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Choga

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.