What does the bench press mean to you?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Your supposed to not bend it at all. I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to help you out. You should really google it before you get paralyzed or something. Also to avoid bending your back next time look at the ceiling and squat. I'm telling you man unless you been lifting for 5 years like me and been corrected by people with more experience you should trust me.markinthedark

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

first of all gym rats arent always a gleaming source of scientific information, and that video says at the beginning "intro to the lowbar backsquat"

im not entirely sure what a "lowbar backsquat"... if i saw him actually do the lift... maybe it would be different. But im sure they called it a "lowbar backsquat" instead of a squat for a reason.

Maybe that clears things up now.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Your supposed to not bend it at all. I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to help you out. You should really google it before you get paralyzed or something. Also to avoid bending your back next time look at the ceiling and squat. I'm telling you man unless you been lifting for 5 years like me and been corrected by people with more experience you should trust me.Nibroc420

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

Are you gonna actually try to refute an accomplished strength coach or are you just gonna keep going by your own bro science?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

Choga

first of all gym rats arent always a gleaming source of scientific information, and that video says at the beginning "intro to the lowbar backsquat"

im not entirely sure what a "lowbar backsquat"... if i saw him actually do the lift... maybe it would be different. But im sure they called it a "lowbar backsquat" instead of a squat for a reason.

hell deadlifts and stiff legged deadlifts target completely diffierent muscles despit haveing deadlift in the title.

Maybe that clears things up now.

how does that clear things up? ever done bicep curls and forearms curls? just because they have curl in the name doesnt mean they are the same exercise and work the same muscle group.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Your supposed to not bend it at all. I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to help you out. You should really google it before you get paralyzed or something. Also to avoid bending your back next time look at the ceiling and squat. I'm telling you man unless you been lifting for 5 years like me and been corrected by people with more experience you should trust me.Nibroc420

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC5-g1Ugmgc&feature=related

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

Choga

Are you gonna actually try to refute an accomplished strength coach or are you just gonna keep going by your own bro science?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] "woo i found a video that supports my claim" Seriously, your back should remain as vertical as possible while squatting. Unless you want serious back troubles in the future, i suggest you to listen, at least understand the proper form of a squat before you do one.Nibroc420

Are you gonna actually try to refute an accomplished strength coach or are you just gonna keep going by your own bro science?

A squat is a squat is a squat is a squat. Lowbar and front squat are just variations on THE SAME EXERCISE.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

raiden509

if it relieves pressure on the lower back, how does it work the back?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Are you gonna actually try to refute an accomplished strength coach or are you just gonna keep going by your own bro science?

Choga

A squat is a squat is a squat is a squat. Lowbar and front squat are just variations on THE SAME EXERCISE.

here you go, I found a video that supports my claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHu4jhUbx9M

Notice at 0:30 under the "Bad" section, is "Back rounds"

Straight back? or rounded back.

I prefer not to destroy my back.

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] "woo i found a video that supports my claim" Seriously, your back should remain as vertical as possible while squatting. Unless you want serious back troubles in the future, i suggest you to listen, at least understand the proper form of a squat before you do one.markinthedark

if it relieves pressure on the lower back, how does it work the back?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="raiden509"] Dude please keep talking out of your ass low bar back squats relieve pressure on the lower back

raiden509

if it relieves pressure on the lower back, how does it work the back?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] My "Bro science" stop refuting facts by calling it that. You found a video of a trainer showing the absolute basics of a "Low-bar BACKSQUAT". Clearly you didn't even read the name of the video.Nibroc420

A squat is a squat is a squat is a squat. Lowbar and front squat are just variations on THE SAME EXERCISE.

here you go, I found a video that supports my claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHu4jhUbx9M

Notice at 0:30 under the "Bad" section, is "Back rounds"

Straight back? or rounded back.

I prefer not to destroy my back.

My original suspicions were corret. What we have is a communication disconnect. That is EXACTLY how I squat except I go all the way down to the ground.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Choga"]

Absolutely not true. Your body has the tendency to bend the back when you squat all the way down to the floor. As I've stated before, the squat works your posterior chain and if you're not feeling work in your lower back you're squtting wrong.

Choga

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

This is the most common and proper squat. It DOES NOT work out your lower back maybe puts some strss on it when heavy lifting. But in the end it is NOT a lower back exercise at all. Look at that form, learn it, practice it. Maybe your supposed to have a little stress on it when you are lifting 200 or more. But in the end it is not meant for working out your lower back at all.

raiden509 u mad?GazaAli

In strength training, thesquatis an exercise that trains primarily the muscles of the thighs,hips and buttocks,hamstrings, as well as strengthening the bones,ligaments and insertion of the tendons throughout the lower body. Squats are considered a vital exercise for increasing the strength and size of the legs and buttocks.

i give up gamespot keeps mashing the text together and my edits dont fix it, but yea. Its still readable.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Your supposed to not bend it at all. I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to help you out. You should really google it before you get paralyzed or something. Also to avoid bending your back next time look at the ceiling and squat. I'm telling you man unless you been lifting for 5 years like me and been corrected by people with more experience you should trust me.MgamerBD

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

This is the most common and proper squat. It DOES NOT work out your lower back maybe puts some strss on it when heavy lifting. But in the end it is NOT a lower back exercise at all. Look at that form, learn it, practice it. Maybe your supposed to have a little stress on it when you are lifting 200 or more. But in the end it is not meant for working out your lower back at all.

Again, it works your posterior chain weather you realize it or not.

In strength training, thesquatis an exercise that trains primarily the muscles of the thighs,hips and buttocks,hamstrings, as well as strengthening the bones,ligaments and insertion of the tendonst hroughout the lower body. Squats are considered a vital exercise for increasing the strength and size of the legs and buttocks.

markinthedark

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Your supposed to not bend it at all. I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to help you out. You should really google it before you get paralyzed or something. Also to avoid bending your back next time look at the ceiling and squat. I'm telling you man unless you been lifting for 5 years like me and been corrected by people with more experience you should trust me.Choga

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

This is the most common and proper squat. It DOES NOT work out your lower back maybe puts some strss on it when heavy lifting. But in the end it is NOT a lower back exercise at all. Look at that form, learn it, practice it. Maybe your supposed to have a little stress on it when you are lifting 200 or more. But in the end it is not meant for working out your lower back at all.

I watched your video MgamerBD and yea this is how I see body builders do squats. Tho to be honest with you I do it without weight.GazaAli

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

In strength training, thesquatis an exercise that trains primarily the muscles of the thighs,hips and buttocks,hamstrings, as well as strengthening the bones,ligaments and insertion of the tendonst hroughout the lower body. Squats are considered a vital exercise for increasing the strength and size of the legs and buttocks.

magicalclick

When I do squats just like the video, my back actually get a bit sore. If I sit and push the leg weight, my back is not sore at all though. So, while it is not back excersize, it does something to my back, which I don't know exactly what it is, but, my back is a bit sore..

if you are woefully out of shape, it might happen.. as there will inevitably be some stress placed on your back during a squat. But you also might be doing them with poor form, you should be trying to keep your back as straight and motionless as possible during the exercise. Squats are supposed to target the lower body.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

Choga

This is the most common and proper squat. It DOES NOT work out your lower back maybe puts some strss on it when heavy lifting. But in the end it is NOT a lower back exercise at all. Look at that form, learn it, practice it. Maybe your supposed to have a little stress on it when you are lifting 200 or more. But in the end it is not meant for working out your lower back at all.

Again, it works your posterior chain weather you realize it or not.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Of course I look at the ceiling. I think there's a communication disconnect here because we are thinking of two different things when I say "bending." Watch the video the user posted above and you'll see what I mean.

This is the most common and proper squat. It DOES NOT work out your lower back maybe puts some strss on it when heavy lifting. But in the end it is NOT a lower back exercise at all. Look at that form, learn it, practice it. Maybe your supposed to have a little stress on it when you are lifting 200 or more. But in the end it is not meant for working out your lower back at all.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I watched your video MgamerBD and yea this is how I see body builders do squats. Tho to be honest with you I do it without weight.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I watched your video MgamerBD and yea this is how I see body builders do squats. Tho to be honest with you I do it without weight.GazaAli

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

This is the most common and proper squat. It DOES NOT work out your lower back maybe puts some strss on it when heavy lifting. But in the end it is NOT a lower back exercise at all. Look at that form, learn it, practice it. Maybe your supposed to have a little stress on it when you are lifting 200 or more. But in the end it is not meant for working out your lower back at all.

MgamerBD

Again, it works your posterior chain weather you realize it or not.

F that good mornings for the lower back, they can be dangerous (think bruce lee messed himself up bad with them), so i always go light on the weight but they are unreal.

Stiff legged deadlifts are pretty **** if you wanna hit the lower back and the hams, in fact with stiff legged deadlifts (btw just a name dont actually stiffen your legs, or you will be in the hospital.. watch a youtube video first), ive never found a better hamstring exercise... even leg curls cant match. I think its probably the best exercise that is most often ignored.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

When I do squats just like the video, my back actually get a bit sore. If I sit and push the leg weight, my back is not sore at all though. So, while it is not back excersize, it does something to my back, which I don't know exactly what it is, but, my back is a bit sore..

magicalclick

if you are woefully out of shape, it might happen.. as there will inevitably be some stress placed on your back during a squat. But you also might be doing them with poor form, you should be trying to keep your back as straight and motionless as possible during the exercise. Squats are supposed to target the lower body.

I did it with a trainer, so, I am most likely too weak haha. Actually I am weak. :cry: I like the leg push instead though, squat is so hard and scary for me.

Thats what the squat rack is for, so you can pass out and the bar wont fall on you :P

I love to bench press. But as for what it "means", there is no deep meaning. Its just an exercise among many that help me get stronger and healthier.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I watched your video MgamerBD and yea this is how I see body builders do squats. Tho to be honest with you I do it without weight.MgamerBD

good advice. tbh, squats kind of terrify me, but I love doing them. I always do two sets with just the bar, no weight, to get my form and muscle memory down, then I start to add weight.

And if possible make sure you have a rack underneath the bar in the event your legs give out.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] To be honest, I don't workout my legs anymore. Is running enough to build strong legs?GazaAli

toned is more of a marketing term. Meant to represent low bodyfat and high musclemass.

Long distance running will decrease your bodyfat and muscle mass... sprinting will reduce bodyfat and increase muscle mass.

You can do google image searches of each type of athlete to see the physical outcome.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I watched your video MgamerBD and yea this is how I see body builders do squats. Tho to be honest with you I do it without weight.GazaAli

I see guys. I do intervals training, I do not run like marathon runners. Anyway, to be honest I used to train my legs in the gym and the results were fast. I need to get back to this. Is once a week enough? I hate the legs routine...GazaAli

Anytimes a week is better than no times.

Its worth it to throw a few sets of squats in as your legs have alot of real big muscles... so even paying minor attention to them will help alot with muscle building and fat loss.

I dont know your goals, but i just assume yours are the same as 99% of the population which is muscle building and fat loss.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I see guys. I do intervals training, I do not run like marathon runners. Anyway, to be honest I used to train my legs in the gym and the results were fast. I need to get back to this. Is once a week enough? I hate the legs routine...markinthedark

Anytimes a week is better than no times.

Its worth it to throw a few sets of squats in as your legs have alot of real big muscles... so even paying minor attention to them will help alot with muscle building and fat loss.

I dont know your goals, but i just assume yours are the same as 99% of the population which is muscle building and fat loss.

I see guys. I do intervals training, I do not run like marathon runners. Anyway, to be honest I used to train my legs in the gym and the results were fast. I need to get back to this. Is once a week enough? I hate the legs routine...GazaAli

1,3 week- Mon- Chest,triceps, shouldersWed-Legs,Back, biceps, forearmsFri-Chest, triceps, shoulders

2,4 week- Mon-Legs,Back, biceps, forearms, Wed-Chest, triceps, shoulders, Fri-Legs, Back, biceps, forearms

It goes like that...its pretty simple.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I see guys. I do intervals training, I do not run like marathon runners. Anyway, to be honest I used to train my legs in the gym and the results were fast. I need to get back to this. Is once a week enough? I hate the legs routine...GazaAli

Anytimes a week is better than no times.

Its worth it to throw a few sets of squats in as your legs have alot of real big muscles... so even paying minor attention to them will help alot with muscle building and fat loss.

I dont know your goals, but i just assume yours are the same as 99% of the population which is muscle building and fat loss.

Well generally speaking the larger the muscle group, the more potential for growth... and larger muscles = higher metabolism.

So stick to the big muscle groups like your legs... the reason they can support your entire body mass walking around all day is because they are pretty huge muscles.

So chest, back, legs are what you should concentrate on. Benches, squats and rows will be the best to concentrate on if you want the best results for the least amount of effort.

PS all these exercises shoot feel good drugs into your brain, so its good fun while you get in shape.

yea exactly, I just want to lose fat and look ripped. I don't have on of these goals of bench pressing tens of kgs.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]yea exactly, I just want to lose fat and look ripped. I don't have on of these goals of bench pressing tens of kgs.ff7fan2

hes just gonna say brad pitt from fight club... everyone wants to look like brad pitt from fight club, lol.

hes just gonna say brad pitt from fight club... everyone wants to look like brad pitt from fight club, lol.markinthedark

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]hes just gonna say brad pitt from fight club... everyone wants to look like brad pitt from fight club, lol.ff7fan2

lol when my buddy asked me for a workout routine and he said he didnt "want to get ridiculously jacked" then proceeded to say he just wanted to look like arnold in terminator 3. I tried my darndest to hold back my laughter.

Arnold has incredible genes and is pumped full of steroids. Its a very unrealistic expectation for most folks.

I think its better to just let individuals know, you are probably never gonna look like said celebrity... but you can get in alot better shape with some work. Genetics plays into everything quite a bit, and alot of us, myself included, just dont have the DNA to achieve the body type of celebrities.

lol when my buddy asked me for a workout routine and he said he didnt "want to get ridiculously jacked" then proceeded to say he just wanted to look like arnold in terminator 3. I tried my darndest to hold back my laughter.

Arnold has incredible genes and is pumped full of steroids. Its a very unrealistic expectation for most folks.

I think its better to just let individuals know, you are probably never gonna look like said celebrity... but you can get in alot better shape with some work. Genetics plays into everything quite a bit, and alot of us, myself included, just dont have the DNA to achieve the body type of celebrities.

markinthedark

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

lol when my buddy asked me for a workout routine and he said he didnt "want to get ridiculously jacked" then proceeded to say he just wanted to look like arnold in terminator 3. I tried my darndest to hold back my laughter.

Arnold has incredible genes and is pumped full of steroids. Its a very unrealistic expectation for most folks.

I think its better to just let individuals know, you are probably never gonna look like said celebrity... but you can get in alot better shape with some work. Genetics plays into everything quite a bit, and alot of us, myself included, just dont have the DNA to achieve the body type of celebrities.

ff7fan2

well it might be a good carrot on a stick to entertain delusions... cant say im in it for the betterment of humanity or anything as noble as that. So im willing to tell folks, they are probably never gonna look like arnold or brad pitt in fight club.

Im not michelle obama trying to get kids skinny again :P

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]yea exactly, I just want to lose fat and look ripped. I don't have on of these goals of bench pressing tens of kgs.ff7fan2

[QUOTE="ff7fan2"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]yea exactly, I just want to lose fat and look ripped. I don't have on of these goals of bench pressing tens of kgs.GazaAli

then do what i said, hit the gym once a week... benches squats and rows. Its a very easy routine... you will get the easiest results... a massive endorphine rush.

Eventually you might enjoy it and commit more. But its a very easy and enjoyable routine.

It will take more commitment, before you wanna oil yourself up at the beach and flex in front of the ladies. But i guarantee you.. this is the best method of an entry level workout. Even once a week, you will see results.

My one tip to you, is even with a short simple workout routine... do it 100%. Before every rep think about the motion, tense your muscles before you even lift it, then explode on the weight. How you lift, in my experience, is more important than how often you lift. An intense workout once a week is better than a lazy workout 5 times a week.

It's somewhat important to me. It's just another exercise I have to do in order to get fit and gain some muscle. I don't make a big deal of it though. I can't bench a lot, but I try to get 3 solid sets in no matter how much weight there is on it.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

here you go, I found a video that supports my claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHu4jhUbx9M

Notice at 0:30 under the "Bad" section, is "Back rounds"

Straight back? or rounded back.

I prefer not to destroy my back.

magicalclick

My original suspicions were corret. What we have is a communication disconnect. That is EXACTLY how I squat except I go all the way down to the ground.

Squatting past parallel is the natural way to squat. Stopping short at parallel or even worse, stopping a quarter of the way down will cause you to injure your knees in the long run. Sadly most trainers don't know what they're talking about.