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Geez, it sounds like some of you want someone to break in to your house, just so you can shoot them a few times.
I prefer the largest, most powerful, weapon available as it compensates for my small genital the most.
FYI .45 ACP is no where near a standard as pistol calibers.[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="Guppy507"]
Ever seen a .45 ACP?
Huff
What?
A .45 ACP is popular in the military, but police generally use 9mm parabellum or .40 S&W. The only pistol rounds likely to knock someone down would be something like a .44 magnum, .500 magnum, or .50 AE. In any case... hand-to-hand may be the basis of all combat, and I would be a fool to trust my life to a weapon, but since weapons held by other people can kinda hurt...Katana. Useful for any close-range melee, thanks to years of training.
Glock 22. 15-round magazine, currently equipped with .40 S&W hollow point bullets. I use full-metal jacket for target practice, but the hollow points are a "I hope I never have to shoot these" kind of thing.
Smith & Wesson 629. Six .44 Magnum rounds. Tends to be quite loud and makes a fireball when fired. Among other things.
[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]
Gun control FTW!
Seriously though, the Founding Fathers wanted a 'well-regulated militia,' not a roving band od Libertarian rednecks trying to 'overthrow' the government.
(I'm referring of course to the incident where that guy shot those police because he wanted to 'take back the White House' to prevent Obama from 'taking his guns').
Chaos_HL21
Yeah, lets just forget about "The right of the PEOPLE to bare arms", probably just a typo, they meant to say the right of the militia. Those silly Founding Fathers always making mistakes.(also nice ad homium attack on Libertarians. Using the actions of one idiot to judge a whole political point of view, that is a great way to debate.)
You dont need a gun. Unless your a gangster.WhenPicklezFly
Um, No, Our family owned a good amount of guns and no one in our family is a gangster.
Choas, you must not respond to the foolish, you're only making them even more worthy of a facepalm :Pguns aren't a cost effective way of protecting your homeKoalakommanderSo what are the alternatives? You can buy a Ruger SR9 for $450 and a Mini14 for less than $1000
guns aren't a cost effective way of protecting your homeKoalakommanderIt's about $12 for a box of fifty .40 S&W full-metal jacket bullets.
[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]guns aren't a cost effective way of protecting your homeInfinite-Zr0So what are the alternatives? You can buy a Ruger SR9 for $450 and a Mini14 for less than $1000 I think we need some ground rules on what "protect your home" involves. :P
[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]guns aren't a cost effective way of protecting your homeAirGuitarist87So what are the alternatives? You can buy a Ruger SR9 for $450 and a Mini14 for less than $1000 I think we need some ground rules on what "protect your home" involves. :P I am interested in what other way's he would suggest in protecting your home. His post implies that there are more cost effective ways, but I can't really put my finger one what would give the same amount of security. Like would he suggest a crossbow or something?
a pistol, preferably 9mm because they are light and easy to maneuver through small areas like bedrooms. A shotgun would be too long and clunky, and a rifle would have too much kickback, and a bat vs. a gun=death for memohfrontline
Actually, an aimed, fully extended and braced handgun is the same length from the barrel to shoulder as a short barreled home defense shotgun.
On another note, thanks to everyone for voting. Shotgun wins handily and the rest bunched up at the bottom. Cheers.
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]a pistol, preferably 9mm because they are light and easy to maneuver through small areas like bedrooms. A shotgun would be too long and clunky, and a rifle would have too much kickback, and a bat vs. a gun=death for meluamhtrad
Actually, an aimed, fully extended and braced handgun is the same length from the barrel to shoulder as a short barreled home defense shotgun.
On another note, thanks to everyone for voting. Shotgun wins handily and the rest bunched up at the bottom. Cheers.
Except there are shooting techniques that has 0 extension from the body. Impossible to do with a long gun.It's gun culture. Just like other cultures, you need an open mind and some kind of exposure to understand it.What is with everyone owning guns? Does everyone live in such high crime areas?
carrot-cake
[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]It's gun culture. Just like other cultures, you need an open mind and some kind of exposure to understand it.What is with everyone owning guns? Does everyone live in such high crime areas?
Infinite-Zr0
It's gun culture. Just like other cultures, you need an open mind and some kind of exposure to understand it.[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="carrot-cake"]
What is with everyone owning guns? Does everyone live in such high crime areas?
carrot-cake
Thats beyond me. Everyone I know who owns guns, shoots at least once a month.
Protection isn't the only reason people own guns.
Like I said, this is like other cultures.You can't just learn about it looking from the outside.
Maybe it's because I don't live in the city, but I have no fear of any one breaking into my house. Heck, half the time our front door is unlocked. I guess if it ever happened though, I could use my base ball bat or my airsoft gun (which looks pretty real so it might scare them off).
Speaking of a toy gun looking pretty real, when I was about 9 a neighbor(he was 9 also) and I spray painted our squirt guns with some black spray paint that we found in his garage. We had them for about two months when one day we were down in the cul-de-sac having a water fight when a cop passed by. All of a sudden we had a gun pointed at us and he screamed for us to drop the "guns". We didn't know it, but all toy guns are supposed to either be weird colored or have an orange tip(which ours did not, due to the spray paint). Then he took each of us to our respective houses(and parents) with our "guns" and pretty much scared the crap out of us. It's at least amusing to talk about now. As for the crime rate in my area, it's relatively non existent, however, I'd rather be able to take care of myself in the event that something occurs rather than depend on someone else to get all the way to my apartment. Not to mention that shooting at the range is an excellent stress reliever.Maybe it's because I don't live in the city, but I have no fear of any one breaking into my house. Heck, half the time our front door is unlocked. I guess if it ever happened though, I could use my base ball bat or my airsoft gun (which looks pretty real so it might scare them off).
redstorm72
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]Speaking of a toy gun looking pretty real, when I was about 9 a neighbor(he was 9 also) and I spray painted our squirt guns with some black spray paint that we found in his garage. We had them for about two months when one day we were down in the cul-de-sac having a water fight when a cop passed by. All of a sudden we had a gun pointed at us and he screamed for us to drop the "guns". We didn't know it, but all toy guns are supposed to either be weird colored or have an orange tip(which ours did not, due to the spray paint). Then he took each of us to our respective houses(and parents) with our "guns" and pretty much scared the crap out of us. It's at least amusing to talk about now. As for the crime rate in my area, it's relatively non existent, however, I'd rather be able to take care of myself in the event that something occurs rather than depend on someone else to get all the way to my apartment. Not to mention that shooting at the range is an excellent stress reliever.Maybe it's because I don't live in the city, but I have no fear of any one breaking into my house. Heck, half the time our front door is unlocked. I guess if it ever happened though, I could use my base ball bat or my airsoft gun (which looks pretty real so it might scare them off).
Katafran
LOL, something similar happened to me too. Last summer me and a couple of freinds brought our airsoft guns up to my families cottage. We had automatic airsoft guns that looked like assult rifles and we were decked out on camo gear and goggles. When we came out of the woods we accidently stumbled into someones deck party, they must have tought we were soldiers or something because 3 or 4 of them started to scream and run while a couple of others hid under their tables. It was hilarious at first, but we got in serious trouble later (someone had called the cops).
Pistols are by far the most practical. You can have one free hand and still have your weapon ready. You don't have to have your weapon peak around the corner before you do, and with a pistol you can still have it ready when tucked in. And os on. If **** totally hits the fan, then I'd choose a rifle.Infinite-Zr0
They really aren't.
1. the sound of a shotgun cocking is going to make anyone crap there pants.
2. with a shot gun you don't even have to be accurate to F up someone. Not only that with a pistol you would have to worry about where the bullet goes if you miss, ex goes through your dry wall and hits your neighbors house. as with a shotgun not so much. A shot gun is the most practical weapon for home safety because it instills fear and you don't have to precise to actually hit someone if you have to use it.
[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]Pistols are by far the most practical. You can have one free hand and still have your weapon ready. You don't have to have your weapon peak around the corner before you do, and with a pistol you can still have it ready when tucked in. And os on. If **** totally hits the fan, then I'd choose a rifle.Ravirr
They really aren't.
1. the sound of a shotgun cocking is going to make anyone crap there pants.
2. with a shot gun you don't even have to be accurate to F up someone. Not only that with a pistol you would have to worry about where the bullet goes if you miss, ex goes through your dry wall and hits your neighbors house. as with a shotgun not so much. A shot gun is the most practical weapon for home safety because it instills fear and you don't have to precise to actually hit someone if you have to use it.
1. So a pistol charging won't give the same effect? 2. I don't want anyone who doesn't know how to safely fire a gun, to have one. I also don't want anyone who doesn't care where the bullet(or in this case shot) go to have one either.Even though I didn't know that there was a crack house down the road from me until after I got my Glock, I don't see why people are so judgmental about people owning guns.MAILER_DAEMONSomebody owning a high-powered shotgun for the purpose of home protection just seems a little off to me. It's like if someone carried around a set of throwing knives for personal protection. Are they REALLY worried about being safe, or do they want to kill somebody?
[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]Pistols are by far the most practical. You can have one free hand and still have your weapon ready. You don't have to have your weapon peak around the corner before you do, and with a pistol you can still have it ready when tucked in. And os on. If **** totally hits the fan, then I'd choose a rifle.Ravirr
They really aren't.
1. the sound of a shotgun cocking is going to make anyone crap there pants.
2. with a shot gun you don't even have to be accurate to F up someone. Not only that with a pistol you would have to worry about where the bullet goes if you miss, ex goes through your dry wall and hits your neighbors house. as with a shotgun not so much. A shot gun is the most practical weapon for home safety because it instills fear and you don't have to precise to actually hit someone if you have to use it.
Speaking of fear, I'm in the market for a tactical light for my Glock. I'll bet the last think a crook want's to see is a laser bead on his chest. Also, have you ever seen the muzzle flash on a .44?No, it won't because a pistol is very different. Its a small projectile, where as with a shot gun if I point it in your general direction you are going to get wounded. In a high tension situation your aim is probably not going to be at its best, in a worst case scenario of a person actually having to shoot, and granted they are a regular range plinker I doubt their accuracy would be even close to what it is at the range. Thats what makes a shotgun better is the mere fact I don't have to be spot on with it and still inflict the damage I need.
I don't want anyone who doesn't know how to safely fire a gun, to have one. I also don't want anyone who doesn't care where the bullet(or in this case shot) go to have one either.Not entirely sure I am following you on this one. I am not sure what that has to do with anything at all. It seems you are basing this on the assumption of perfect accuracy and not a real life situation. Many gun owners know how to safely fire a gun and go to any range, most pistol owners have a wide spread in there shots, why because pistols are pretty inaccurate.
[QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]Pistols are by far the most practical. You can have one free hand and still have your weapon ready. You don't have to have your weapon peak around the corner before you do, and with a pistol you can still have it ready when tucked in. And os on. If **** totally hits the fan, then I'd choose a rifle.MAILER_DAEMON
They really aren't.
1. the sound of a shotgun cocking is going to make anyone crap there pants.
2. with a shot gun you don't even have to be accurate to F up someone. Not only that with a pistol you would have to worry about where the bullet goes if you miss, ex goes through your dry wall and hits your neighbors house. as with a shotgun not so much. A shot gun is the most practical weapon for home safety because it instills fear and you don't have to precise to actually hit someone if you have to use it.
Speaking of fear, I'm in the market for a tactical light for my Glock. I'll bet the last think a crook want's to see is a laser bead on his chest. Also, have you ever seen the muzzle flash on a .44?Yeah, I want to get a glock actually :P . SHot the .40 cal version of it and it was pretty sweet. A bit expensive though, so I'm passing for the moment. BUt of course, if you miss that bullet is going to flying right out your door. THats my main gripe with hand guns is that the bullets are going to penetrate more than a shot gun, where if I shoot the shotgun pellets will go through my door but I doubt they will cross the street. With a pistol you have that chance.
I don't want anyone who doesn't know how to safely fire a gun, to have one. I also don't want anyone who doesn't care where the bullet(or in this case shot) go to have one either.No, it won't because a pistol is very different. Its a small projectile, where as with a shot gun if I point it in your general direction you are going to get wounded. In a high tension situation your aim is probably not going to be at its best, in a worst case scenario of a person actually having to shoot, and granted they are a regular range plinker I doubt their accuracy would be even close to what it is at the range. Thats what makes a shotgun better is the mere fact I don't have to be spot on with it and still inflict the damage I need.
Ravirr
Not entirely sure I am following you on this one. I am not sure what that has to do with anything at all. It seems you are basing this on the assumption of perfect accuracy and not a real life situation. Many gun owners know how to safely fire a gun and go to any range, most pistol owners have a wide spread in there shots, why because pistols are pretty inaccurate.
Unless you live in a house that has 100ft hallways, the 'inaccuracy' of a pistol isn't a factor. Also, shotgun grouping is a lot closer than people think for close in encounters. I stand by my point that pistols are more practical. The size and the free hand will always be more handy than some fear factor and this so called 'accuracy' And if you didn't get what I was saying, you must not be a part of gun culture.This is the sort of thing i'm talking about. You guys dont even realise it but you've just discussed the pros and cons of several different methods for murdering a human being. I just wonder sometimes if this issue really is about home protection and not something a little more sadistic. Ninja-HippoIf you read my posts its always in a worst case scenario of actually having to use a gun, and heaven forbid I ever have to use my gun, I doubt I could actually pull to trigger to harm someone. Its argueing hypotheticals and if that situation arises, preventing harm to those around you and keeping yourself safe at the same time.
[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]Even though I didn't know that there was a crack house down the road from me until after I got my Glock, I don't see why people are so judgmental about people owning guns.Ninja-HippoSomebody owning a high-powered shotgun for the purpose of home protection just seems a little off to me. It's like if someone carried around a set of throwing knives for personal protection. Are they REALLY worried about being safe, or do they want to kill somebody? I'm an easygoing guy who has no desire to ever kill anyone. Yet, I have years of training in the sword and hand-to-hand fighting under my black belt, as well as some guns that can seriously hurt people. I can use any of those things for home/self defense, but why did I start using them? For the same reason I would have given to any officer who asked me why I had two wooden swords, a heavy wooden sword, a pair of sai, a 4-foot wooden staff, a 6-foot wooden staff, an unedged katata, and a live katana on University grounds-- these objects are sporting equipment being used for an activity. I learned how to use weapons and took martials arts because I wanted to and thought it was fun... and I'm a better person for it.
Likewise, I'm 26 years old, and going to the shooting range with my father has become a monthly activity for us; something we can do together, since we share a similar interest. The gun is not something to be feared... like any weapon, it must be respected as something that can cause serious harm, but so can a golf club or baseball bat. One swing from those, just like the toss of a knife or shot from a gun, can be lethal. Yet the primary use of a golf club or baseball bat is to play a sport, and no one questions them. Likewise, I use my guns as sporting equipment, and if necessary, they will become weapons. I have gone through the proper channels and will be licensed by my state next month to carry a gun on my person. If someone wants to kill me or someone I care about, it will no longer be a piece of sporting equipment.
[QUOTE="Ravirr"] I don't want anyone who doesn't know how to safely fire a gun, to have one. I also don't want anyone who doesn't care where the bullet(or in this case shot) go to have one either.Infinite-Zr0
Not entirely sure I am following you on this one. I am not sure what that has to do with anything at all. It seems you are basing this on the assumption of perfect accuracy and not a real life situation. Many gun owners know how to safely fire a gun and go to any range, most pistol owners have a wide spread in there shots, why because pistols are pretty inaccurate.
Unless you live in a house that has 100ft hallways, the 'inaccuracy' of a pistol isn't a factor. Also, shotgun grouping is a lot closer than people think for close in encounters. I stand by my point that pistols are more practical. The size and the free hand will always be more handy than some fear factor and this so called 'accuracy' And if you didn't get what I was saying, you must not be a part of gun culture.I get what you are saying I don't understand the relivance to the discussion. I don't care if you don't want people who don't know how to use a gun to have one it will happen. So that really has no bearing on the discussion at all.
Unless you live in a house that has 100ft hallways, the 'inaccuracy' of a pistol isn't a factor. Also, shotgun grouping is a lot closer than people think for close in encounters. I stand by my point that pistols are more practical. The size and the free hand will always be more handy than some fear factor and this so called 'accuracy' And if you didn't get what I was saying, you must not be a part of gun culture.[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="Ravirr"]
Not entirely sure I am following you on this one. I am not sure what that has to do with anything at all. It seems you are basing this on the assumption of perfect accuracy and not a real life situation. Many gun owners know how to safely fire a gun and go to any range, most pistol owners have a wide spread in there shots, why because pistols are pretty inaccurate.
Ravirr
I get what you are saying I don't understand the relivance to the discussion. I don't care if you don't want people who don't know how to use a gun to have one it will happen. So that really has no bearing on the discussion at all.
k, I guess. But if you truly didn't care, you'd have just ignored that part of the post. The first half of my post, that you ignored does.[QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"] Unless you live in a house that has 100ft hallways, the 'inaccuracy' of a pistol isn't a factor. Also, shotgun grouping is a lot closer than people think for close in encounters. I stand by my point that pistols are more practical. The size and the free hand will always be more handy than some fear factor and this so called 'accuracy' And if you didn't get what I was saying, you must not be a part of gun culture.Infinite-Zr0
I get what you are saying I don't understand the relivance to the discussion. I don't care if you don't want people who don't know how to use a gun to have one it will happen. So that really has no bearing on the discussion at all.
k, I guess. But if you truly didn't care, you'd have just ignored that part of the post. The first half of my post, that you ignored does.Just like you ignored the second half of my first post. But oh well. No point in argueing the hypotheticals in a situation. Given the situation I wouldn't be peaking around corners I would probably form a small baracade at the top the stair well or in my room. Decreasing my chances for engagement so the single handed ness of the pistol is null for me. And mistakes will be made. I'm sure my palms would be sweaty and my heart racing with sweat dripping down my face. My gut would twisting with fear. But you may stay cool and calm in that situation, go down stairs see the guy taking your stuff and scare him off. I'd prefer the shotgun because it leaves less room for mistakes, and if I do happen to miss the pellets aren't going anywhere except they may hit my neighbors car in which I can just pay him some money.
Press X to dodge![QUOTE="N-REAL"]
My wife hates guns....so I have this: :P
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