What if you believe in God but think he's a jerk?

Have you ever noticed everyone who believes in God just so happens to think he's the ****? Can't you kind of be like, "I know you created me and all, but I think murdering someone for having a campfire on Sunday is kind of mean."

Does anyone feel this way? Or has anyone felt this way?

The only reason that I believe in god is because I think life can't suck this bad on accident.Ugalde-

You'd be correct in thinking he's a jerk...

A narcissistic and sadistic "God" who likes to do bad things to people is not what I would consider a worthy God.

As Bill Maher once said:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why even call him God?

As Bill Maher once said:pariah3

Why would he do the mean things on purpose unless we learn from them?

A narcissistic and sadistic "God" who likes to do bad things to people is not what I would consider a worthy God.

As Bill Maher once said:

pariah3

You mean Epicurus. It's one of his most famous quotes.

[QUOTE="pariah3"]As Bill Maher once said:swivet-

Like the pagans greeks did?

You mean Epicurus. It's one of his most famous quotes.Blue-Sky

Epicurus wrote it but Bill M used it as one of his arguments against God in the Usenet newsgroup alt.atheism:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_thread/thread/e48dd1f940a0c37f/3e759de3b1422aac?q=Bill+M&lnk=ol&

What I wanted to say in my post is that I don't believe in this deity. This means that if I make a mistake in this life, I will have to deal with the consequences.

God is a jerk. The bible makes a point of showing you that, without remorse. If he were that good, would he:

- ask someone to kill their own son to prove their faith.

- ask their own son to die on a cross.

- ask people to believe in you, but provide no proof. If you don't believe in him, you'll burn eternally in the flames of hell.

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

iHarlequin

Or perhaps so loving, that God became like us so that we might become like him.

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

Philokalia

Or perhaps so loving, that God became like us so that we might become like him.

I'm going to have to go with sadistic.

Have you ever noticed everyone who believes in God just so happens to think he's the ****? Can't you kind of be like, "I know you created me and all, but I think murdering someone for having a campfire on Sunday is kind of mean."

Does anyone feel this way? Or has anyone felt this way?

Labavo

God is a jerk. The bible makes a point of showing you that, without remorse. If he were that good, would he:

- ask someone to kill their own son to prove their faith.

- ask their own son to die on a cross.

- ask people to believe in you, but provide no proof. If you don't believe in him, you'll burn eternally in the flames of hell.

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

iHarlequin

Think about how many disputes would end if God simply showed himself.

Even on the accounts of seeing him in the Bible were always in solitude. Why did Moses have to go to the mountain top by himself to speak to God? God couldn't just speak to him right there? In front of everyone? Why he gotta be a secret?

I'm just whatever, no joke. I just go with the flow. I see no point in worrying about this stuff just live your lfe and live it the way you want not by what a book says. If there is a god, ok, if there isn't, ok. I just truly place thought into others things that are more worth my time. And really just to live my life and be me. And I don't care if you think there is a god or don't, shouldn't that be everyone life code, live it to the best you can.

gods going to torture your soul now :P

Think about how many disputes would end if God simply showed himself.

Even on the accounts of seeing him in the Bible were always in solitude. Why did Moses have to go to the mountain top by himself to speak to God? God couldn't just speak to him right there? In front of everyone? Why he gotta be a secret?

Blue-Sky

They weren't allin solitude... The Israelites witnessed the mana from heaven, the miracles of Moses and the same can be said of the New testament. But why does God need to reveal himself to any standard we humans demand of him? I happen to believe he has sufficiently revealed himself in the person of Christ, and quite convincingly so mind you.

[QUOTE="pariah3"]As Bill Maher once said:swivet-

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Think about how many disputes would end if God simply showed himself.

Even on the accounts of seeing him in the Bible were always in solitude. Why did Moses have to go to the mountain top by himself to speak to God? God couldn't just speak to him right there? In front of everyone? Why he gotta be a secret?

Philokalia

They weren't allin solitude... The Israelites witnessed the mana from heaven, the miracles of Moses and the same can be said of the New testament. But why does God need to reveal himself to any standard we humans demand of him? I happen to believe he has sufficiently revealed himself in the person of Christ, and quite convincingly so mind you.

Dude. That was 2k years ago. I barely remember what I ate last week.

I'm going to have to go with sadistic.

iHarlequin

A sadistic God doesn't take on human nature :)

God is a jerk. The bible makes a point of showing you that, without remorse. If he were that good, would he:

- ask someone to kill their own son to prove their faith.

- ask their own son to die on a cross.

- ask people to believe in you, but provide no proof. If you don't believe in him, you'll burn eternally in the flames of hell.

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

iHarlequin

If G-d is a jerk, it cannot be good to tell G-d that. A jerk would smite us, yes?YuffiMayCry

Dude. That was 2k years ago. I barely remember what I ate last week.

iHarlequin

And its amazing we know so much about a judean teacher in the backwaters of the roman empire, especially after three hundred years of persecution ;)

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

God is a jerk. The bible makes a point of showing you that, without remorse. If he were that good, would he:

- ask someone to kill their own son to prove their faith.

- ask their own son to die on a cross.

- ask people to believe in you, but provide no proof. If you don't believe in him, you'll burn eternally in the flames of hell.

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

God is a jerk. The bible makes a point of showing you that, without remorse. If he were that good, would he:

- ask someone to kill their own son to prove their faith.

- ask their own son to die on a cross.

- ask people to believe in you, but provide no proof. If you don't believe in him, you'll burn eternally in the flames of hell.

Whether god exists or not isn't up to me to say, but if the Bible's of any credibility, he's one of the greatest douchebags to have roamed the heavens.

hiphops_savior

You misunderstood me. I never said I don't believe in God, and I certainly never said my culture and customs aren't defined by Christianity (Catholicism, specifically). My moral compass is guided by what is considered good and bad in Christian texts and teachings. I was raised a Catholic, even if my parents are Agnostic, and it shows. Of that I have no doubt. And don't kid yourself: the bible isn't proof. We're not sure how much has been lost in translations, what changes the Church might have done to the text, and if what was written actually happened. Saying the Bible proves anything is the same as saying that the Poetic Edda verifies the existance of Valhalla (a religion much cooler than Christian ones, btw).

A sadistic God doesn't take on human nature :)

Philokalia

Human nature is sadistic. Hrm, maybe not nature, but how it's conditioned in society. We enjoy pranks, making fun of people, we laugh when someone falls, and we enjoy watching unrelated (and sometimes related) people getting physically harmed. Mankind made god in her image (or the opposite, if you're a believer).

So leave your childern behind in the dust, that just seems like a jacka** move to me.

Brawler-Dude

Christ said to love each other as he has loved us, so how can it be love to leave your children in the dust?

[QUOTE="YuffiMayCry"]If G-d is a jerk, it cannot be good to tell G-d that. A jerk would smite us, yes?wis3boi

Human nature is sadistic. Hrm, maybe not nature, but how it's conditioned in society. We enjoy pranks, making fun of people, we laugh when someone falls, and we enjoy watching unrelated (and sometimes related) people getting physically harmed. Human made god in his image (or the opposite, if you're a believer).

iHarlequin

The human nature is fallen, and indeed is very much prone to sin, hence why I see it that the perfect took on the imperfect that we may become perfect. But does God enjoy watching us die? I don't believe so. This seems to be a characterisation of God, or perhaps people mistaking Christ for the gods of ancient Rome and Greece.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="YuffiMayCry"]If G-d is a jerk, it cannot be good to tell G-d that. A jerk would smite us, yes?jshaas

[QUOTE="YuffiMayCry"]If G-d is a jerk, it cannot be good to tell G-d that. A jerk would smite us, yes?wis3boi

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="YuffiMayCry"]If G-d is a jerk, it cannot be good to tell G-d that. A jerk would smite us, yes?YuffiMayCry

The only reason that I believe in god is because I think life can't suck this bad on accident.Ugalde-

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So leave your childern behind in the dust, that just seems like a jacka** move to me.

Philokalia

Christ said to love each other as he has loved us, so how can it be love to leave your children in the dust?

what are you trying to say?

Brawler-Dude

You implied that because we are to love God before everyone else, this must mean leaving Children behind in the dust (correct me if I am wrong). But we are also told by Christ to love each other as he has loved us.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="YuffiMayCry"]If G-d is a jerk, it cannot be good to tell G-d that. A jerk would smite us, yes?jshaas

[QUOTE="jshaas"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] God sucks ass. I just said that. I'm still sitting here.Brawler-Dude