What is the best sporting event IYO.

[QUOTE="6_volts"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I really don't think it is (unless we are talking about the biggest...but we are talking about the best). 1. Any sporting event that prefers to get things wrong (instead of embracing technology) cannot be the best...see soccer and baseball 2. It brings out the worst in peoplerawsavon

have you ever seen football?

I'm not saying that NEVER happens but it would still happen if football didn't exist, maybe in a worse way because some "fans" just use football as an excuse to beat up/kill someone with different political views (usually)

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="6_volts"] That's what makes it such a beautiful sport, you DO know nothing is perfect right? it's human nature to make mistakes, and technology would ruin the emotion soccer brings real soccer fans (you know those who watch any soccer tournament, not those who talk because they've seen just a few matches in the World Cup). Hmm, you have to be joking right? or are you saying most soccer fans murder others or love rioting?hyrueprince11

have you ever seen football?

I'm not saying that NEVER happens but it would still happen if football didn't exist, maybe in a worse way because some "fans" just use football as an excuse to beat up/kill someone with different political views (usually)

That stuff is on SportsCenter MULTIPLE times a year...you never see that in the NFL Some people call it passion. Others call it pathological obsession Why would you not want your sport to get the call right if they could with minimal stoppage of time? (only talking about goal and flopping situations) -that would stop the flopping...so it would no longer be an issuerawsavon

[QUOTE="SplatterDuck"] Almost everyone in the sport wants that.but unfortunatly,its the one person who matters most doesnt want itrawsavon

there is no reason why there is still no goal line technology, that is just stupid, however even when replays could be helpful there are sometimes when even referees who have been in world cups have different opinions and there are sometimes when even after seeing the replay 20 times in super slow motion you still can't tell if it was a penalty/offside/foul or not

Best: World Cup.

Favorite: 24 Hours of Le Mans.

I love football as much as you but there seems to be bad calls in most games nowadays SplatterDuck

[QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] 1. I never said most...where did that come in But soccer fans are the worst (of any major sport) They riot, throw flares, etc all the time...that does not make for an enjoyable event to go to 2. You may love bad calls and flopping. But I hate it Most of the people in this thread (soccer fans) seem to agree with me on this pointrawsavon

have you ever seen football?

I'm not saying that NEVER happens but it would still happen if football didn't exist, maybe in a worse way because some "fans" just use football as an excuse to beat up/kill someone with different political views (usually)

beleive me nothing will ever happen to you if you go to a football match, unless you want to get hurt or go to a dangerous match (hapoel tel aviv vs maccabi tel aviv, fenerbache vs galatasaray and maybe a few others)

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] That stuff is on SportsCenter MULTIPLE times a year...you never see that in the NFL Some people call it passion. Others call it pathological obsession Why would you not want your sport to get the call right if they could with minimal stoppage of time? (only talking about goal and flopping situations) -that would stop the flopping...so it would no longer be an issue6_volts

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SplatterDuck"] Almost everyone in the sport wants that.but unfortunatly,its the one person who matters most doesnt want ithyrueprince11

there is no reason why there is still no goal line technology, that is just stupid, however even when replays could be helpful there are sometimes when even referees who have been in world cups have different opinions and there are sometimes when even after seeing the replay 20 times in super slow motion you still can't tell if it was a penalty/offside/foul or not

[QUOTE="SplatterDuck"] I love football as much as you but there seems to be bad calls in most games nowadays 6_volts

[QUOTE="6_volts"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] That stuff is on SportsCenter MULTIPLE times a year...you never see that in the NFL Some people call it passion. Others call it pathological obsession Why would you not want your sport to get the call right if they could with minimal stoppage of time? (only talking about goal and flopping situations) -that would stop the flopping...so it would no longer be an issuerawsavon

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

if american football was played all over the world there would also be riots and flares being thrown

I mean have you ever heard about a problem in a football match in the US?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]

have you ever seen football?

I'm not saying that NEVER happens but it would still happen if football didn't exist, maybe in a worse way because some "fans" just use football as an excuse to beat up/kill someone with different political views (usually)

hyrueprince11

beleive me nothing will ever happen to you if you go to a football match, unless you want to get hurt or go to a dangerous match (hapoel tel aviv vs maccabi tel aviv, fenerbache vs galatasaray and maybe a few others)

The World Cup is the best in my opinion. It brings out absolute greatness from the world.

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I really don't think it is (unless we are talking about the biggest...but we are talking about the best). 1. Any sporting event that prefers to get things wrong (instead of embracing technology) cannot be the best...see soccer and baseball 2. It brings out the worst in peoplerawsavon

Well, the topic is not about what sport is best, but about what sporting EVENT is best. As an event, the World Cup is by far the best. You can't dispute that.

I just did.

Can't be the best when there is rampant missed calls, cheating/bending of rules, disgraceful activity, and poor TV presentation
-see all the bad calls that are easily correctable with a quick replay system for goals
-all the flopping that ruins the game (fluidity)
-france's behavior...you would never see an NFL team act that way

Soccer COULD be the best, but they refuse to adapt.
The NFL does everything it can to stay current

Again, I'm not talking about the sport. I'm talking about the event, and what the impact it has on the entire world. Its the best event because it unites nations and cultures from around the globe into a friendly competition in the most universal sport. The display of passion for the sport is also the strongest by far by the fans.

So your argument against this is that they don't use replay and they whine too much? Thats irrelevant.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="6_volts"]Oh now it's multiple times a year? I'm watching a South American tournament right now and I haven't seen a single riot, nor on the CL today. You're talking as if there's bad calls for goals and faking injuries most of the time and that's not true, there are many times in which the ref shows a yellow card to divers and "ghost" goals that have been given to the team that scored (and corectly).
Again you can't talk that way just because of a few bad calls in the WC because that's just a way of generalizing.

hyrueprince11

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

if american football was played all over the world there would also be riots and flares being thrown

I mean have you ever heard about a problem in a football match in the US?

Not that I know of.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="6_volts"]Oh now it's multiple times a year? I'm watching a South American tournament right now and I haven't seen a single riot, nor on the CL today. You're talking as if there's bad calls for goals and faking injuries most of the time and that's not true, there are many times in which the ref shows a yellow card to divers and "ghost" goals that have been given to the team that scored (and corectly).
Again you can't talk that way just because of a few bad calls in the WC because that's just a way of generalizing.

hyrueprince11

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

if american football was played all over the world there would also be riots and flares being thrown

I mean have you ever heard about a problem in a football match in the US?

I don't know what the difference is TBH.
but I do not hear about it with any other sports (does not mean it does not happen...could be I just don't see it)

[QUOTE="6_volts"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] That stuff is on SportsCenter MULTIPLE times a year...you never see that in the NFL Some people call it passion. Others call it pathological obsession Why would you not want your sport to get the call right if they could with minimal stoppage of time? (only talking about goal and flopping situations) -that would stop the flopping...so it would no longer be an issuerawsavon

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Well, the topic is not about what sport is best, but about what sporting EVENT is best. As an event, the World Cup is by far the best. You can't dispute that.

Samurai_Xavier

I just did.

Can't be the best when there is rampant missed calls, cheating/bending of rules, disgraceful activity, and poor TV presentation
-see all the bad calls that are easily correctable with a quick replay system for goals
-all the flopping that ruins the game (fluidity)
-france's behavior...you would never see an NFL team act that way

Soccer COULD be the best, but they refuse to adapt.
The NFL does everything it can to stay current

Again, I'm not talking about the sport. I'm talking about the event, and what the impact it has on the entire world. Its the best event because it unites nations and cultures from around the globe into a friendly competition in the most universal sport. The display of passion for the sport is also the strongest by far by the fans.

So your argument against this is that they don't use replay and they whine too much? Thats irrelevant.

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

I just did.

Can't be the best when there is rampant missed calls, cheating/bending of rules, disgraceful activity, and poor TV presentation
-see all the bad calls that are easily correctable with a quick replay system for goals
-all the flopping that ruins the game (fluidity)
-france's behavior...you would never see an NFL team act that way

Soccer COULD be the best, but they refuse to adapt.
The NFL does everything it can to stay current

rawsavon

Again, I'm not talking about the sport. I'm talking about the event, and what the impact it has on the entire world. Its the best event because it unites nations and cultures from around the globe into a friendly competition in the most universal sport. The display of passion for the sport is also the strongest by far by the fans.

So your argument against this is that they don't use replay and they whine too much? Thats irrelevant.

go to a world cup and you might know why

[QUOTE="6_volts"]

[QUOTE="SplatterDuck"] I love football as much as you but there seems to be bad calls in most games nowadays SplatterDuck

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="6_volts"]Oh now it's multiple times a year? I'm watching a South American tournament right now and I haven't seen a single riot, nor on the CL today. You're talking as if there's bad calls for goals and faking injuries most of the time and that's not true, there are many times in which the ref shows a yellow card to divers and "ghost" goals that have been given to the team that scored (and corectly).
Again you can't talk that way just because of a few bad calls in the WC because that's just a way of generalizing.

6_volts

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

I would say I see about 3-5 riots a year.

If you admit that with this year's WC you were not 'expecting this WC to be the greatest' then it is not the best event.
No one ever says, 'I did not expect this superbowl to be great b/c New Orleans was hosting it'

All things contribute to being the 'best' event
-location
-what happens in said location
-the actual play on the field
-the presentation
-the officiating

Stanley Cup Playoffs. 2 1/2 months of sweat, blood, tears, and slapshots. It's the most exciting playoffs out of the major sports in my opinion.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Again, I'm not talking about the sport. I'm talking about the event, and what the impact it has on the entire world. Its the best event because it unites nations and cultures from around the globe into a friendly competition in the most universal sport. The display of passion for the sport is also the strongest by far by the fans.

So your argument against this is that they don't use replay and they whine too much? Thats irrelevant.

hyrueprince11

go to a world cup and you might know why

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I really don't think it is (unless we are talking about the biggest...but we are talking about the best). 1. Any sporting event that prefers to get things wrong (instead of embracing technology) cannot be the best...see soccer and baseball 2. It brings out the worst in peoplerawsavon

I have to agree that the last world cup was a shower of **** - worst I've seen for many a year. Shame really, as there's been some amazing ones over the years. Too much diving, bad refereeing, and the fact the club game is just becoming too big these days and players aren't even bothered about representing their country as much.

I will however instead go for the Champions League in soccer as the greatest sporting event (after the Olympics)

Diving irritates the hell out of me – I was hoping the travesty of the world cup would facilitate some changes, but it seems soccer is a little too precious, afraid of change and too worried about losing 'the essence of the game'. Shame shame shame. The Champions league is a fantastic spectacle in Europe though………………… but only if you're into soccer that is anyway.

[QUOTE="6_volts"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

The post you quoted (about multiple times a year) was referring to riots, flares being thrown, etc.
That happens worldwide multiple times a year...which would prevent me from going to a live event

The point is that to draw in more fans, you have to do well on your biggest stage.
No one starts watching the NFL during the preseason...they start with the SuperBowl.
If that is a bad experience, it will sour a potential new fan...as it did with me

The thread is about best event...your worldcup was not the best event this year
The Superbowl was one of the best in history

rawsavon

I would say I see about 3-5 riots a year.

If you admit that with this year's WC you were not 'expecting this WC to be the greatest' then it is not the best event.
No one ever says, 'I did not expect this superbowl to be great b/c New Orleans was hosting it'

All things contribute to being the 'best' event
-location
-what happens in said location
-the actual play on the field
-the presentation
-the officiating

You didn't answer my question by the way.

[QUOTE="SplatterDuck"][QUOTE="6_volts"]Hmm I don't know abot that but that's one of the beauties of soccer.

6_volts

You didn't answer my question by the way.

6_volts

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Again, I'm not talking about the sport. I'm talking about the event, and what the impact it has on the entire world. Its the best event because it unites nations and cultures from around the globe into a friendly competition in the most universal sport. The display of passion for the sport is also the strongest by far by the fans.

So your argument against this is that they don't use replay and they whine too much? Thats irrelevant.

hyrueprince11

go to a world cup and you might know why

The WC should be the greatest event, but the gulf between some of the top nations and the smaller ones leaves the group stages as fairly routine and mundane. The fact in this modern day players are 'retiring' from the national side to focus on their club team is astounding – 30 years we would never have seen players turn down country for club. I guess it's just a shift of power to the detriment of the WC. The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

NCAA Tournament. Man I love it

Everyone is treating my posts like I am anti-soccer I ****ing want to like it. I think it COULD be the best. But all things need change...to embrace technology. I would talk about the NFL the same way if they refused to adapt, and I do talk this way about baseball and basketballrawsavon

The Super Bowl is easily the most entertaining.

[QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] How can something be the best event when it is not even the best soccer played that year?

poptart

go to a world cup and you might know why

The WC should be the greatest event, but the gulf between some of the top nations and the smaller ones leaves the group stages as fairly routine and mundane. The fact in this modern day players are 'retiring' from the national side to focus on their club team is astounding – 30 years we would never have seen players turn down country for club. I guess it's just a shift of power to the detriment of the WC. The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

[QUOTE="6_volts"]You didn't answer my question by the way.

rawsavon

The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

poptart

It is hard for me (a novice) to get into it w/out a rooting interest
-no USA
-no great American players to follow and root for a team they are on
...hell, I would have watched if Donovan had gone to a club team

I realize that seems picky. But usually a new fan has something to grab hold of (a team in their state, city, etc...a player)

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="6_volts"]You didn't answer my question by the way.

6_volts

NCAA Tournament. Man I love it

Star67

[QUOTE="poptart"] The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

rawsavon

It is hard for me (a novice) to get into it w/out a rooting interest
-no USA
-no great American players to follow and root for a team they are on
...hell, I would have watched if Donovan had gone to a club team

I realize that seems picky. But usually a new fan has something to grab hold of (a team in their state, city, etc...a player)

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]

go to a world cup and you might know why

SplatterDuck

The WC should be the greatest event, but the gulf between some of the top nations and the smaller ones leaves the group stages as fairly routine and mundane. The fact in this modern day players are 'retiring' from the national side to focus on their club team is astounding – 30 years we would never have seen players turn down country for club. I guess it's just a shift of power to the detriment of the WC. The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

I think there are more than 3 or 4 contenders, just think about the last champions, most of them were surprises

NCAA Cross Country Championships are quite the spectacle to behold, provided you attend in person. Oh, and the Olympics are amazing.

[QUOTE="poptart"] The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

rawsavon

It is hard for me (a novice) to get into it w/out a rooting interest
-no USA
-no great American players to follow and root for a team they are on
...hell, I would have watched if Donovan had gone to a club team

I realize that seems picky. But usually a new fan has something to grab hold of (a team in their state, city, etc...a player)

[QUOTE="SplatterDuck"][QUOTE="poptart"]

The WC should be the greatest event, but the gulf between some of the top nations and the smaller ones leaves the group stages as fairly routine and mundane. The fact in this modern day players are 'retiring' from the national side to focus on their club team is astounding – 30 years we would never have seen players turn down country for club. I guess it's just a shift of power to the detriment of the WC. The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

hyrueprince11

I think there are more than 3 or 4 contenders, just think about the last champions most of them were surprises

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="poptart"] The Champions league is a better spectacle IMO…

6_volts

It is hard for me (a novice) to get into it w/out a rooting interest
-no USA
-no great American players to follow and root for a team they are on
...hell, I would have watched if Donovan had gone to a club team

I realize that seems picky. But usually a new fan has something to grab hold of (a team in their state, city, etc...a player)