What Is The Purpose Of Life? Poll.

Reproduction has always sounded like a weird answer to me...

Reproduction for the sake of more reproduction sounds like sleeping for the sake of more sleep, War for the sake of more War, posting for the sake of more posting, breathing for the sake of more breathing... pretty pointless... damn I'm sounding depressing >__>

:lol: Pity me? Go right ahead, won't hurt me none.

super_mario_128

I'm sure it won't, as apparently you nothing more than an animal seeking subsistence with no ambitions or emotions other than to live and have offspring.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Your life has whatever purpose you choose to give it.blackregiment

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

To reproduce is mankinds' great purpose... People are entitled to believe in something deeper, but I'm also entitled to laugh at them.

xaos

"What is a man, if the chief good and market of his time be but to sleep and feed? A beast, no more."

Now tell me how that applies to what I said. :?

I generally regard "sleep" as also suggestive of sex and therefore re-production, my interpretation. ;)

I might just have a new sig :lol:

Reproduction has always sounded like a weird answer to me...

Reproduction for the sake of more reproduction sounds like sleeping for the sake of more sleep, War for the sake of more War, posting for the sake of more posting, breathing for the sake of more breathing... pretty pointless... damn I'm sounding depressing >__>

Hungry_bunny

It is depressing, because that's not how life was meant to be lived. As ironic as it may seem, a naturalistic life isn't natural.

I generally regard "sleep" as also suggestive of sex and therefore re-production, my interpretation. ;)

bradleybhoy

You have no purpose, no meaning. I definitely pity that type of philosophy.

battlefront23

I don't consider it philosophy; I consider it to be fact. I don't consider believing and loving a Lord to be a fulfilling use of my time to be honest...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Your life has whatever purpose you choose to give it.blackregiment

Without God, there is no objective meaning to life. We are all merely random creations of natural selection whose existence has no more intrinsic purpose or meaning than that of a pebble equally randomly produced.

Why? If I choose to devote my life to, say... becoming a better pianist, then that's its purpose. If I choose to devote my life to simply enjoying myself, that's its purpose. I can make of my life what I will.

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]

Reproduction has always sounded like a weird answer to me...

Reproduction for the sake of more reproduction sounds like sleeping for the sake of more sleep, War for the sake of more War, posting for the sake of more posting, breathing for the sake of more breathing... pretty pointless... damn I'm sounding depressing >__>

mrcong

It is depressing, because that's not how life was meant to be lived. As ironic as it may seem, a naturalistic life isn't natural.

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]

I generally regard "sleep" as also suggestive of sex and therefore re-production, my interpretation. ;)

super_mario_128

You have no purpose, no meaning. I definitely pity that type of philosophy.

battlefront23

I don't consider it philosophy; I consider it to be fact. I don't consider believing and loving a Lord to be a fulfilling use of my time to be honest...

Then what is a fulfilling use of your time? It is not fact, btw.

I'm sure it won't, as apparently you nothing more than an animal seeking subsistence with no ambitions or emotions other than to live and have offspring.

mrcong

Really? Huh... I never knew that without having God in my life I was cutting off my emotions, or any desire to make something of myself.

Well shucks. I guess I don't have any morals either.

Reproduction has always sounded like a weird answer to me...

Reproduction for the sake of more reproduction sounds like sleeping for the sake of more sleep, War for the sake of more War, posting for the sake of more posting, breathing for the sake of more breathing... pretty pointless... damn I'm sounding depressing >__>

Hungry_bunny

Your point is well taken. In the pure Darwinian model, one should not reproduce as that could endanger one's existence in a survival of the fittest world since there would be more competition for limited reseources.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

:lol: Pity me? Go right ahead, won't hurt me none.

mrcong

I'm sure it won't, as apparently you nothing more than an animal seeking subsistence with no ambitions or emotions other than to live and have offspring.

You're right, I'm an animal with no ambitions, emotions, hobbies or philosophies. I'm amazed how you deduced that from the limited data I provided. :|

Your life has whatever purpose you choose to give it.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="mrcong"]

I'm sure it won't, as apparently you nothing more than an animal seeking subsistence with no ambitions or emotions other than to live and have offspring.

Chevolutionary

Really? Huh... I never knew that without having God in my life I was cutting off my emotions, or any desire to make something of myself.

Well shucks. I guess I don't have any morals either.

Damn, I never know that either. And there I was under the impression that I enjoyed life and wanted to be a concert pianist.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Your life has whatever purpose you choose to give it.blackregiment

Without God, there is no objective meaning to life. We are all merely random creations of natural selection whose existence has no more intrinsic purpose or meaning than that of a pebble equally randomly produced.

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

Of course it is; even for someone who believes in Christianity, that should be obvious. Otherwise, in your belief system, there would be no need for religious instruction...xaos

Why do you think that someone can have endless wealth, power, and public esteem, and yet still be depressed and despondent? Why do you think that each and every worldy pursuit eventually fails to fulfill anyone, even if accomplished? It's because we all have conscience and spirit, we were designed to live a spiritual life in fellowship with God. Living simply for survival is not our purpose, and thus can never fulfill anyone's life.

Then what is a fulfilling use of your time? It is not fact, btw.

battlefront23

I said that I consider it to be fact; I didn't expect you to agree or care for such an opinion... A fulfilling use of my time would be to have fun, to learn and to experience the World. I'm shocked that you guys suddenly think I'm a robot just because of what I said. :|

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

legend26

However, if that is how you let your life unfold, you will be in store for a lot more after that last period...

[QUOTE="mrcong"]

I'm sure it won't, as apparently you nothing more than an animal seeking subsistence with no ambitions or emotions other than to live and have offspring.

Chevolutionary

Really? Huh... I never knew that without having God in my life I was cutting off my emotions, or any desire to make something of myself.

Well shucks. I guess I don't have any morals either.

[QUOTE="xaos"] Of course it is; even for someone who believes in Christianity, that should be obvious. Otherwise, in your belief system, there would be no need for religious instruction...mrcong

Why do you think that someone can have endless wealth, power, and public esteem, and yet still be depressed and despondent? Why do you think that each and every worldy pursuit eventually fails to fulfill anyone, even if accomplished? It's because we all have conscience and spirit, we were designed to live a spiritual life in fellowship with God. Living simply for survival is not our purpose, and thus can never fulfill anyone's life.

Christians apparently have a monopoly on happiness now...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Then what is a fulfilling use of your time? It is not fact, btw.

super_mario_128

I said that I consider it to be fact; I didn't expect you to agree or care for such an opinion... A fulfilling use of my time would be to have fun, to learn and to experience the World. I'm shocked that you guys suddenly think I'm a robot just because of what I said. :|

You say you guys... mrcong doesn't speak for me. We may share many of the same beliefs but he doesn't speak for me. Why do you want to have fun? It is only temporary, you know? To learn what? And to experience what from the world

Christians apparently have a monopoly on happiness now...

Funky_Llama

True happiness, yes. Lasting happiness, yes. Temporal happiness, no. That is shared among every world view.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

mrcong

However, if that is how you let your life unfold, you will be in store for a lot more after that last period...

you realize your talking to a person who dosnt beleive in hell?

and if i do go there well so be it, if was a good person in my life but still go to hell becouse i diddnt worship god, then god must be a verry egotistical.

also since i havnt done enything horribly wrong i will probably just go to limbo, and hanging out with socrates sounds pretty awesome ;)

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Christians apparently have a monopoly on happiness now...

mrcong

True happiness, yes. Lasting happiness, yes. Temporal happiness, no. That is shared among every world view.

Heh... so why is your happiness so much better than mine, then? :lol:

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Then what is a fulfilling use of your time? It is not fact, btw.

battlefront23

I said that I consider it to be fact; I didn't expect you to agree or care for such an opinion... A fulfilling use of my time would be to have fun, to learn and to experience the World. I'm shocked that you guys suddenly think I'm a robot just because of what I said. :|

You say you guys... mrcong doesn't speak for me. We may share many of the same beliefs but he doesn't speak for me. Why do you want to have fun? It is only temporary, you know? To learn what? And to experience what from the world

To learn - About the universe, different cultures, my country's culture, the planet, society, languages etc...

To experience - Different cultures, countries, nature etc...

Why would I want to have fun? Well I won't even dignify that with an answer.

No, Mrcong doesn't speak for you; you speak for yourself and I believe earlier you told me my life had no meaning. Hold on a second while I fetch the quote...

You have no purpose, no meaning. I definitely pity that type of philosophy.battlefront23

There. I have no purpose and meaning because I believe the purpose of humanity is to pass on our genes and effectively help continue the race for another generation? 'k then.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Your life has whatever purpose you choose to give it.legend26

Without God, there is no objective meaning to life. We are all merely random creations of natural selection whose existence has no more intrinsic purpose or meaning than that of a pebble equally randomly produced.

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

God created you with a free will to do just that. By the way, Christians have family, love, and have fun too. Serving Christ is joyful, brings many blessings, and keeps one from error.

If you use your free will to reject God's plan of salvation, He will be faithful in giving you the destination you choose. You do not have anything to complain about. He will be giving you what you choose.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Then what is a fulfilling use of your time? It is not fact, btw.

super_mario_128

I said that I consider it to be fact; I didn't expect you to agree or care for such an opinion... A fulfilling use of my time would be to have fun, to learn and to experience the World. I'm shocked that you guys suddenly think I'm a robot just because of what I said. :|

You say you guys... mrcong doesn't speak for me. We may share many of the same beliefs but he doesn't speak for me. Why do you want to have fun? It is only temporary, you know? To learn what? And to experience what from the world

To learn - About the universe, different cultures, my country's culture, the planet, society, languages etc...

To experience - Different cultures, countries, nature etc...

Why would I want to have fun? Well I won't even dignify that with an answer.

No, Mrcong doesn't speak for you; you speak for yourself and I believe earlier you told me my life had no meaning. Hold on a second while I fetch the quote...

Having fun is something that with age shouldn't be of any concern to you. Those are all good in all, but are you going to do anything for humanity?

Yes I said your life has no meaning... but I never called you a robot, now did I? ;)

He will be faithful in giving you the destination you choose. You do not have anything to complain about. He will be giving you what you choose.

blackregiment

You like to maintain that claim, but I am not deliberately choosing to go to hell. Saying that atheists choose to go to hell is like saying that a rape victim chooses to be raped by walking down a dark alleyway.

Heh... so why is your happiness so much better than mine, then? :lol:

Funky_Llama

Because your happiness is the product of worldly pursuits and accomplishments. Like all things in the world, they will eventually decay and be forgotten, and your joy will not last. As I said earlier, only true happiness comes through fellowship with Christ. This is how humans were designed, and how things worked until the fall.

Also, your sig comments on this matter. The Christian looks at the world and is in awe at God's might, and thus gives Him glory. The athiest views the same thing as a miniscule accident in the history of the universe that holds no meaning or purpose.

[QUOTE="xaos"] Of course it is; even for someone who believes in Christianity, that should be obvious. Otherwise, in your belief system, there would be no need for religious instruction...mrcong

Why do you think that someone can have endless wealth, power, and public esteem, and yet still be depressed and despondent? Why do you think that each and every worldy pursuit eventually fails to fulfill anyone, even if accomplished? It's because we all have conscience and spirit, we were designed to live a spiritual life in fellowship with God. Living simply for survival is not our purpose, and thus can never fulfill anyone's life.

You like to maintain that claim, but I am not deliberately choosing to go to hell. Saying that atheists choose to go to hell is like saying that a rape victim chooses to be raped by walking down a dark alleyway.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

legend26

However, if that is how you let your life unfold, you will be in store for a lot more after that last period...

you realize your talking to a person who dosnt beleive in hell?

and if i do go there well so be it, if was a good person in my life but still go to hell becouse i diddnt worship god, then god must be a verry egotistical.

also since i havnt done enything horribly wrong i will probably just go to limbo, and hanging out with socrates sounds pretty awesome ;)

If you were fired from your job for not following your bosses instructions and commands, you would probably be the first one to complain about that too.

God has revealed what He expects from us. He makes the rules. He could care less whether you think His rules are just.

All men are sinners and the penalty for sin is eternal death. God, in love, provided us a path to avoid this penalty. His commands are not burdensome. If you disobey, you will pay the price for your own sins. You may not like it but you cannot change His plan.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

You like to maintain that claim, but I am not deliberately choosing to go to hell. Saying that atheists choose to go to hell is like saying that a rape victim chooses to be raped by walking down a dark alleyway.

mrcong

No, its more like a rape victim walking down a dark alleyway after a helpful stranger tells them that nothing but pain and sorrow awaits them if they choose to not divert their course.

Even then, it's not choosing to be raped if one is unconvinced by the stranger's advice and decides to proceed regardless.

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

blackregiment

However, if that is how you let your life unfold, you will be in store for a lot more after that last period...

you realize your talking to a person who dosnt beleive in hell?

and if i do go there well so be it, if was a good person in my life but still go to hell becouse i diddnt worship god, then god must be a verry egotistical.

also since i havnt done enything horribly wrong i will probably just go to limbo, and hanging out with socrates sounds pretty awesome ;)

If you were fired from your job for not following your bosses instructions and commands, you would probably be the first one to complain about that too.

God has revealed what He expects from us. He makes the rules. He could care less whether you think His rules are just.

All men are sinners and the penalty for sin is eternal death. God, in love, provided us a path to avoid this penalty. His commands are not burdensome. If you disobey, you will pay the price for your own sins. You may not like it but you cannot change His plan.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Heh... so why is your happiness so much better than mine, then? :lol:

mrcong

Because your happiness is the product of worldly pursuits and accomplishments. Like all things in the world, they will eventually decay and be forgotten, and your joy will not last. As I said earlier, only true happiness comes through fellowship with Christ. This is how humans were designed, and how things worked until the fall.

Also, your sig comments on this matter. The Christian looks at the world and is in awe at God's might, and thus gives Him glory. The athiest views the same thing as a miniscule accident in the history of the universe that holds no meaning or purpose.

thats verry generalizing

i dont look at the earth that way, i look at it with awe to, the natural world that is

when it looked like this

then mankind came and turned it into a giant shopping mall...

Having fun is something that with age shouldn't be of any concern to you. Those are all good in all, but are you going to do anything for humanity?

Yes I said your life has no meaning... but I never called you a robot, now did I? ;)

battlefront23

Are you going to do anything for humanity? Seriously though, are you? I don't know about myself, I feel I will do a lot of good in my life though. How does this relate to the topic at hand? Also, how is it that a Christian will contribute more to mankind by believing in God? You brought up the subject so please go on.

No you didn't call me a robot. Fair enogh.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Heh... so why is your happiness so much better than mine, then? :lol:

mrcong

Because your happiness is the product of worldly pursuits and accomplishments. Like all things in the world, they will eventually decay and be forgotten, and your joy will not last. As I said earlier, only true happiness comes through fellowship with Christ. This is how humans were designed, and how things worked until the fall.

Also, your sig comments on this matter. The Christian looks at the world and is in awe at God's might, and thus gives Him glory. The athiest views the same thing as a miniscule accident in the history of the universe that holds no meaning or purpose.

:lol: Whatever you say... just out of interest... how do you know this?

Also, I love my sig. It's magnificently cynical. :D

Because, no matter what, it all ends ultimately. That is the central tenet of Buddhism, that the defining characteristic of life is suffering, and that the fact that death is inevitable is the root of that suffering. Pretty much all transcendent religions teach the same thing, including ones with no God. I'll say, though, if we were designed to "live in spiritual fellowship with God", it's pretty callous of Him to make that not be innate in our nature...xaos

God choose to give men a free will so they could choose to love and honor Him. Forced love is not true love. He would have created us as automated beings that worship Him by design, it wouldn't be real. Man's purpose originally was to worship God, however, this changed when man exercised their free will and choose Satan.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="mrcong"][QUOTE="legend26"]

this may be difficult for you to comprehend but i dont need a god or a religion to make me feel special about my place in the universe.

im here, im alive, i love my life, i have my family and friends and i need nothing more. all i want is to live a long happy life and help people and have fun.

then when im an old guy sleeping on my deathbed i'll say "well i had a good run, i got to do all the things i wanted, i got to meet alot of nice people, i got to live".

then i will die and thats it.

xaos

However, if that is how you let your life unfold, you will be in store for a lot more after that last period...

you realize your talking to a person who dosnt beleive in hell?

and if i do go there well so be it, if was a good person in my life but still go to hell becouse i diddnt worship god, then god must be a verry egotistical.

also since i havnt done enything horribly wrong i will probably just go to limbo, and hanging out with socrates sounds pretty awesome ;)

If you were fired from your job for not following your bosses instructions and commands, you would probably be the first one to complain about that too.

God has revealed what He expects from us. He makes the rules. He could care less whether you think His rules are just.

All men are sinners and the penalty for sin is eternal death. God, in love, provided us a path to avoid this penalty. His commands are not burdensome. If you disobey, you will pay the price for your own sins. You may not like it but you cannot change His plan.

Yeah... it's like your boss sabotaging your work and firing you for it.

:lol: Whatever you say... just out of interest... how do you know this?

Also, I love my sig. It's magnificently cynical. :D

Funky_Llama

I know this from both the doctrines of Naturalistic origins, and the testimonies of humanists. A Pale Blue Dot by Richard Dawkins comes to mind...

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

He will be faithful in giving you the destination you choose. You do not have anything to complain about. He will be giving you what you choose.

Funky_Llama

You like to maintain that claim, but I am not deliberately choosing to go to hell. Saying that atheists choose to go to hell is like saying that a rape victim chooses to be raped by walking down a dark alleyway.

No, walking down that alley after they have been told that if they do it, they will be raped.

God has told us what He expects of us, the consequences for disobedience, and the path to avoid those consequences. If you reject them, you have no one toblame but yourself.

then mankind came and turned it into a giant shopping mall...

legend26

Tell me, how can you access Gamespot from your nomadic clan in the plains of Africa?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

:lol: Whatever you say... just out of interest... how do you know this?

Also, I love my sig. It's magnificently cynical. :D

mrcong

I know this from both the doctrines of Naturalistic origins, and the testimonies of humanists. A Pale Blue Dot by Richard Dawkins comes to mind...

No, I mean that religion is required for 'true' happiness, and there is such a thing as 'true' happiness as a superlative to normal happiness.