What's wrong with taxing the rich to feed the poor?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

The education system fails when it costs tens of thousands of dollars to climb the ladder and one cannot afford it. Aswell I never claimed I wanted handouts. unless government subsidies to lower higher education costs for everyone is consider a handout. Aswell regaurding healthcare, I am canadian and I laugh whenever someone says that medicare is a handout.markop2003

well atleast over here the goverment offers low intrest university loans which i think is perfectly fine so long as the student puts in the work and so gets a well payed job

Free medical care is ok IMO but it seems to give people an excuse not to take care of them selves, people smoke, drink and eat themselves to death, it's their own fault they need the medical care so they should pay for it

And I dont think i know anyone who honestly thinks they can harm themsleves and will be fine because they have free health care. If smoke and drink it doesnt matter if health care is free your still going to die yonger than you would have, most people realize this.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

I am fine with taxing the rich a bit to help out those less fortunate. Instead of getting the $90,000 BMW, get the $80,000 model. It's really not a big deal. Just take a week off from caviar or cancel your membership to your yacht club. I think you unlucky, poor wealthy people can manage!

FragStains

Reality? In reality those who have capital ultimately decide whether or not I get a job, how to do my job, and how much I will get paid. They ultimately decide whether or not I will be successful in "life". Take what those bloodsuckers steal for themselves in the form of profit and put it to better use (to those who do work, or those who have gotten fired, those who cannot get a new job, and has no capital and will starve to death otherwise, etc.) than to finance their luxurious lifestyles where they hardly have to work unless they really want to - and with tasks that has a whole different, personal meaning to them, unlike most of us - ? It's not ideal, but I cannot be against that. I'm not David Rockefeller.

Private ownership of the means of production is the problem with this world, not human life itself - that's a religious/philosophical mystification and nothing else.

I have no problem with the rich giving money and things to the poor but when the government forces the rich to give more than they may want then i am against it. I can't justify stealing from the rich and middle class and giving to the poor. I will describe the kinds of people you will be feeding (and are feeding right now...my aunt, four of her daughters who are in the same situation as she was in and probably the other five as well in the future, a fellow employee at my job and more).

They drop out of high school and move in with their boyfriend who has no steady job and smokes. Within 9 months they have a baby and between the time of moving in and having a baby they fight and break up and go with other people and they smoke and drink and sometimes do illegal things and get sent to jail or prison. No less than 3 years later they have another baby but don't know who the father is. She usually stays with one of her boyfriends and works at a gas station then over the years has more and more children who end up doing the same exact thing and they have cable TV, they could use that money to pay for food. Two of the Girls are just a repeat of their mother with many unfortunate kids (i think there are 7 kids just from these two girls) and only one other is old enough to live on her own. The only other one who is old enough to live on her own is the one i had hopes for. She was going to college and was going to get some kind of nursing degree...until she met her boyfriend. He smokes and doesn't have a job. After a couple months of knowing each other they moved in together (into the basement of one of her sisters house). She was still going to college but dropped out not too long ago and around the same time the guy made her lose her job (he isn't very smart). They eventually god married and, OH WHAT DO YOU KNOW, she gets pregnant. Atleast she isn't a smoker and a drunk like the rest of her family :|

Then there is my co worker. Highschool drop out with a boyfriend in jail who she (Guess what?) just found out is the father of her child. She has no liscence because she lost it for breaking the law and she doesn't care about her job...She is going to be fired.

I sorry to say that every single person that i know who "needs help" only needs help because of their own stupid decisions. Every single one of the people i know who need help have only made it worse for themselves...sure it may have been hard for them due to their mothers lack of thought but they could have made it..one almost did but it was thier own fault and they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

Oh. I am sure there are exceptions where people have good jobs and a good direction in life then something dramatically changes and they need help. I don't feel bad if they can't help it and maybe they do need some government help for a little while, but that doesn't make up most of the population who "need help", the cousins and co worker i told you about are the ones who make up the majority of them. None of this is ever going to stop because, from my experiences, it is THEIR fault..the rich can't pay them and all of a sudden the problem is solved, only the people who are causing the problems have the ability to stop it and, like i said, it isn't going to happen. When i was young i was tought, just like most other people, to pick up after myself and unfortunately the poor want the rich and middle class to pick up after them.

I hear this all the time "it isn't the childrens fault that they can't provide for themselves" and i totally agree with that. If the problem is not the fault of the children then it is the fault of the parents who wrongly had the child so, instead of giving more money to the parents or parent who were the ones who made the mistake in the first place, the children should be taken from the bad parents and put into orphanages where they will experience much less fighting and less health problems (smoking around the the young children is a common thing in my family). Maybe they can not get stuck in the cycle their parents are in if they are taken away and raised in seperate places. I would rather have government run orphanages then the government giving money and benefits to people who can't manage their lives. (why? because that isn't solving the problem). Obviously i don't agree with the idea of stealing kids from parents and stealing from the rich and giving to the poor but only the orphanage option might make an impact on society, the other idea of Benefits is just going to make the problem worse (of course both ideas are horrible and would cost tons of money).

I said it above that i am sure there are exceptions to my idea of "people needing help" but i don't think they make up the majority of the population that needs help. When it comes down to it people just need to accept personal responsibility and many people don't want to do accept it and THAT is what is causing the problem..not the rich stealing from the poor or the poor not having the ability to go anywhere from their birth place. All of the people who i see that "need help" are just what i have experienced and may not be what EVERYONE who needs help is like but like i said, that is just what i have experienced and my experiences have formed and shaped my personal opinions on this subject.

I am sorry if i offended anybody but that is what i believe.

Taking something away from someone who earned it and giving it to someone who didn't earn it isn't fair.foxhound_fox

On the other end of the spectrum, there's obviously something wrong when top CEOs (or whoever caused this) can make a series of decisions that lead the economy into the crapper, then get a $700 billion bailout and not be held accountable for it.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]You seem to be not answering the question of what happened to the mother and her childern.Leejjohno

basically, the father should pay child support to cover all costs, the mother should not have to work if the father has left, if they are not payed it should be delt with the same punishment that not paying your taxes are

If I found out I would wash my hands of the child. I would say "if you have that child it is your responsibility alone".

It's only fair the way I see it. The guy has the least control, so why does he have to pay?

Maybe that just sounds cold but... imo it's only logical.

1. They should choose between them, the child is both of thiers

2. Then you'ld suffer the same consequences as if you didn't pay your taxes

Man the depressing thing about this thread it's that people are assuming that just because someone is poor, they are lazy good for nothing scoundrels, and honestly i find that very offending since i know dozen of people who work as hard or harder than the rich of this country, and the only reason they are still poor are the circumstances that they were born to.Oscar-Wilde

What is distressing is that people just assume that the rich are greedy, do nothing, bastards who haven't done a hard days work in their life.

The fact is a lot of the wealthy in this country give to charities and worked damn hard in school to get where they are today.

Now I'll use my family as an example, not to brag or anything, but because for me it's something I know and can analyze. I don't have access to my family's financial records, so some of this is based on my own guesswork:

My family is pretty well of, judging from the lack of trouble paying for my college education and the lifestyle that my family leads. The lifestyle is well off, but not extravagant, I'm going to call it upper middle class for the sake of clarification. I know for a fact my family worked hard to get where they are today, my father committed himself to his school when he was growing up and to work afterwards, moving up in a chemicals company for 25-30 years, for which he still works today. My uncle completed high school in 3 years, graduated college, passed up a chance to play baseball and instead went to medical school, on the way to becoming one of the most respected doctors in his geographical area. My other uncle worked hard through school and college and is now running an IT consultant that works from home.

What is the purpose of this you may ask? Do I like to rub my situation in people's faces? No, I show this because they're well off and worked hard to get where they are today. They aren't sitting back and letting other people do all the work for them, they were never given anything. They got to their level of financial security, if one could really call it that, by working hard and I've seen the stress of their jobs first hand.

Would it be fair to take money from them simply because they happen to have it and others don't? Is it fair to classify everyone wealthy as a selfish, uncaring snob?

The answer is pretty simple, No. They donate to charity, they care, but they don't want their money taken from them just because they happen to be successful. Are they the rich people would tax? I have no idea, but we have to take this and apply it across a spectrum. And if you don't understand the reasoning I point back to my previous example of the school children.

Is it fair to dock Billy a letter grade simply because Johnny got an F and could use that letter grade "more?" Of course not, but what if Billy is best friends with Johnny? He might donate time and effort to Johnny to help him get better grades, but by taking a letter grade away from him, you could alienate Billy and he might not help out little Johnny.

It's called socialism.North-North

Most of the rich actually worked hard for their money. Many of the poor live in poor economics because of their choices Epic__Lulz

On the other end of the spectrum, there's obviously something wrong when top CEOs (or whoever caused this) can make a series of decisions that lead the economy into the crapper, then get a $700 billion bailout and not be held accountable for it. Video_Game_King

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

The education system fails when it costs tens of thousands of dollars to climb the ladder and one cannot afford it. Aswell I never claimed I wanted handouts. unless government subsidies to lower higher education costs for everyone is consider a handout. Aswell regaurding healthcare, I am canadian and I laugh whenever someone says that medicare is a handout.htekemerald

well atleast over here the goverment offers low intrest university loans which i think is perfectly fine so long as the student puts in the work and so gets a well payed job

Free medical care is ok IMO but it seems to give people an excuse not to take care of them selves, people smoke, drink and eat themselves to death, it's their own fault they need the medical care so they should pay for it

And I dont think i know anyone who honestly thinks they can harm themsleves and will be fine because they have free health care. If smoke and drink it doesnt matter if health care is free your still going to die yonger than you would have, most people realize this.

well i guess uni could be made free but it would have to be free for all so the situation wouldn't really change and they'ld have to pay for all thecosts if they dropped out

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]On the other end of the spectrum, there's obviously something wrong when top CEOs (or whoever caused this) can make a series of decisions that lead the economy into the crapper, then get a $700 billion bailout and not be held accountable for it. foxhound_fox

First off, how do we know they earned the money? How do we know that they didn't just inherit it? And how did the public allow it?

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="markop2003"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]You seem to be not answering the question of what happened to the mother and her childern.markop2003

basically, the father should pay child support to cover all costs, the mother should not have to work if the father has left, if they are not payed it should be delt with the same punishment that not paying your taxes are

If I found out I would wash my hands of the child. I would say "if you have that child it is your responsibility alone".

It's only fair the way I see it. The guy has the least control, so why does he have to pay?

Maybe that just sounds cold but... imo it's only logical.

1. They should choose between them, the child is both of thiers

2. Then you'ld suffer the same consequences as if you didn't pay your taxes

2. You pay tax no matter what you do, but if I was to get jailed because I didn't want a child there would be something seriously wrong with the system (which there is in real life anyway but still).

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]Man the depressing thing about this thread it's that people are assuming that just because someone is poor, they are lazy good for nothing scoundrels, and honestly i find that very offending since i know dozen of people who work as hard or harder than the rich of this country, and the only reason they are still poor are the circumstances that they were born to.hokies1313

What is distressing is that people just assume that the rich are greedy, do nothing, bastards who haven't done a hard days work in their life.

The fact is a lot of the wealthy in this country give to charities and worked damn hard in school to get where they are today.

Now I'll use my family as an example, not to brag or anything, but because for me it's something I know and can analyze. I don't have access to my family's financial records, so some of this is based on my own guesswork:

My family is pretty well of, judging from the lack of trouble paying for my college education and the lifestyle that my family leads. The lifestyle is well off, but not extravagant, I'm going to call it upper middle class for the sake of clarification. I know for a fact my family worked hard to get where they are today, my father committed himself to his school when he was growing up and to work afterwards, moving up in a chemicals company for 25-30 years, for which he still works today. My uncle completed high school in 3 years, graduated college, passed up a chance to play baseball and instead went to medical school, on the way to becoming one of the most respected doctors in his geographical area. My other uncle worked hard through school and college and is now running an IT consultant that works from home.

What is the purpose of this you may ask? Do I like to rub my situation in people's faces? No, I show this because they're well off and worked hard to get where they are today. They aren't sitting back and letting other people do all the work for them, they were never given anything. They got to their level of financial security, if one could really call it that, by working hard and I've seen the stress of their jobs first hand.

Would it be fair to take money from them simply because they happen to have it and others don't? Is it fair to classify everyone wealthy as a selfish, uncaring snob?

The answer is pretty simple, No. They donate to charity, they care, but they don't want their money taken from them just because they happen to be successful. Are they the rich people would tax? I have no idea, but we have to take this and apply it across a spectrum. And if you don't understand the reasoning I point back to my previous example of the school children.

Is it fair to dock Billy a letter grade simply because Johnny got an F and could use that letter grade "more?" Of course not, but what if Billy is best friends with Johnny? He might donate time and effort to Johnny to help him get better grades, but by taking a letter grade away from him, you could alienate Billy and he might not help out little Johnny.

You see the problem with analogy it's that we are not taking about something as trivial as a letter grades we are talking about people lives, we are talkng about opportunities that they don't have or should i say that they can't exploit, because of the flawed education system that they are forced to enter because they don't have the money for anything better in the first place, and the worse of all it's that the rich are the ones that rule this country and are the ones that can change the system but they don't. Because let's be honest if they do, where the hell are they gonna find their subservient will-less husk of a human being aka domesticated primate of a worker?

I think that everyone should be given the help they need right at the start when it matters, so that they're at least given the oppertunity to make something of themselves. If that means steve the banker has to save up a bit longer for his speedboat then so be it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="The_Laser08"]Ok, so for fair competition (the free market) to work, people do need to have equal access to the opportunity to succeed. Which they essentially do in this country. I'm not a 100% libertarian because I believe that the government should be there to provide a good education even to people living in the inner cities. Still, this is almost a minor detail. 90% of my graduating class in high school will probably never really produce anything of value or achieve any kind of success, and I find it to be completely criminal that someone like me who is striving towards success should have to pay for their welfare. People have this notion that coming from a wealthy background guarantees you succes, and that coming from a poor background means you will always be poor. That mentality is the root of the entire problem. With the exception of those extremely few trust fund kids that will probably never have to work, people all start from the same place in life. markop2003

that means they need better education system not handouts

You see the roblem with analogy it's that we are not taking about something as trivial as a letter grades we are talking about people lives, we are talkng about opportunities that the don't have or should i say that they can't exploit, because of the flawed education system that they are forced to enter because they don't have the money for anything better in the first place, and the worse of all it's that the rich are the ones that rule this country and are the ones that can change the system but they don't. Because let's be honest if they do, where the hell are they gonna find their subservient will-less husk of a human being aka domesticated primate of a worker?

Oscar-Wilde

The premise is still the same. You're punishing one person for the supposed betterment of the other. You're taking these people's money and alienating them when they could be doing things with that money, like fund charities and scholarships as opposed to taxing them, having the government take the money, divide it up and perhaps feed a family for a week instead of helping someone through college that will go on to feed his family because he can get a good job with his education.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for his the rest of his life.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

You see the roblem with analogy it's that we are not taking about something as trivial as a letter grades we are talking about people lives, we are talkng about opportunities that the don't have or should i say that they can't exploit, because of the flawed education system that they are forced to enter because they don't have the money for anything better in the first place, and the worse of all it's that the rich are the ones that rule this country and are the ones that can change the system but they don't. Because let's be honest if they do, where the hell are they gonna find their subservient will-less husk of a human being aka domesticated primate of a worker?

hokies1313

The premise is still the same. You're punishing one person for the supposed betterment of the other. You're taking these people's money and alienating them when they could be doing things with that money, like fund charities and scholarships as opposed to taxing them, having the government take the money, divide it up and perhaps feed a family for a week instead of helping someone through college that will go on to feed his family because he can get a good job with his education.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for his the rest of his life.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

You see the roblem with analogy it's that we are not taking about something as trivial as a letter grades we are talking about people lives, we are talkng about opportunities that the don't have or should i say that they can't exploit, because of the flawed education system that they are forced to enter because they don't have the money for anything better in the first place, and the worse of all it's that the rich are the ones that rule this country and are the ones that can change the system but they don't. Because let's be honest if they do, where the hell are they gonna find their subservient will-less husk of a human being aka domesticated primate of a worker?

hokies1313

The premise is still the same. You're punishing one person for the supposed betterment of the other. You're taking these people's money and alienating them when they could be doing things with that money, like fund charities and scholarships as opposed to taxing them, having the government take the money, divide it up and perhaps feed a family for a week instead of helping someone through college that will go on to feed his family because he can get a good job with his education.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for his the rest of his life.

Unfortunately "Sell a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and you ruin a great business opportunity." much more accurately describes the present economical system.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

You see the roblem with analogy it's that we are not taking about something as trivial as a letter grades we are talking about people lives, we are talkng about opportunities that the don't have or should i say that they can't exploit, because of the flawed education system that they are forced to enter because they don't have the money for anything better in the first place, and the worse of all it's that the rich are the ones that rule this country and are the ones that can change the system but they don't. Because let's be honest if they do, where the hell are they gonna find their subservient will-less husk of a human being aka domesticated primate of a worker?

hokies1313

The premise is still the same. You're punishing one person for the supposed betterment of the other. You're taking these people's money and alienating them when they could be doing things with that money, like fund charities and scholarships as opposed to taxing them, having the government take the money, divide it up and perhaps feed a family for a week instead of helping someone through college that will go on to feed his family because he can get a good job with his education.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for his the rest of his life.

It will not happen that's what my post was all about, it will NOT happen, they will not teach them the way to exploit the system so they can be businessmen, scientist and entrepreneurs and it is not on the nation's interest to be without subservient workers.

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

You see the roblem with analogy it's that we are not taking about something as trivial as a letter grades we are talking about people lives, we are talkng about opportunities that the don't have or should i say that they can't exploit, because of the flawed education system that they are forced to enter because they don't have the money for anything better in the first place, and the worse of all it's that the rich are the ones that rule this country and are the ones that can change the system but they don't. Because let's be honest if they do, where the hell are they gonna find their subservient will-less husk of a human being aka domesticated primate of a worker?

hokies1313

The premise is still the same. You're punishing one person for the supposed betterment of the other. You're taking these people's money and alienating them when they could be doing things with that money, like fund charities and scholarships as opposed to taxing them, having the government take the money, divide it up and perhaps feed a family for a week instead of helping someone through college that will go on to feed his family because he can get a good job with his education.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for his the rest of his life.

What do you think pell grants are? How about TOPS (a louisiana scholarship fund) and other comperable programs? Alot of our tax money is going towards education.

What's wrong with taking somebody's money and giving it to somebody else? Oh, right, the fact that rich people are entitled to rights just like poor people.:|Theokhoth

Sums it up for me.

Because it goes against the ideals upon which this country was founded.bungie93

[QUOTE="bungie93"]Because it goes against the ideals upon which this country was founded.Mr_sprinkles

In my post, ideals means tenets.

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You are removing self-reliance and personal responsibility from society. vlin1108

Yeah, I'm sure all those kids whose parents can't even afford a pair of socks for them should go get a job. Maybe they could apply for a post as a decoy for Chris Hansen.

You know what some of the 'self-reliant' poor people do? Steal, kill and sell their bodies for their family. Guess the rich simply can't pass on another slice of their pudding for breakfast.

Tell those poor parents and their kids that life requires you to work for your money and that nothing worth anything comes free or easy.

I'm tired of hearing the sob story of poor people, they're poor for a reason.

A) They have a serious mental/physical disability *which is the only excused and only partially justified reason*

or

B) They don't have jobs and/or have an addiction.

It all comes down to personal priorities and personal money management. I single bounced or late check can easily take a man from wealthy to broke in a matter of days. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are extremely essential to human survival, we cannot carry ourselves, our children, and their futures on our backs as well as yours; it just isn't our problem.

I don't mind a portion of my money going towards services to take care of veterans and disabled folk, I do mind paying for a lazy mom who is addicted to cocaine to take my money and snort it up while her kids go hungry. If the person is poor, they probably have horrible money management skills and/or work ethic; in which case, screw em. They'll learn from being poor and turn it around, or teach their kids what NOT to do with their lives.

Well I would like to say thank you for the people who pay taxes. Because of you, I was able to get financial aid money to help pay my tuition for college. I have my associate's degree and later planning to get a BA, but first I'm saving some money up. Also thank you for for supporting my widowed grandmother, who pays with foodstamps. She's now living comfortably in an apartment which my family helps pay for. The main reason why I wouldnt mind paying extra taxes (first I would have to make 250,000+ a year :P) is because Im a person who benefited from it. My dad owned his own hat company. After 9/11, his company went bankrupt (including ourselves), we sold everything and managed to live in an small apartment.

What makes me sad about most people who posted here who dont want to "spread the wealth", as they put it, is that they're forsaking one group of people who can benefit from it (like how I did) because of another group of "lazy people" who dont strive to achieve are receiving the same thing.

Well my 76 year old grandma cant strive to achieve, obviously, and my cousing who is in special education programs to say the least cant strive to achieve either. True that lazy people, who were brought up that way by their parents and community, dont deserve that money, but once again I would still pay taxes if it helped someone truly in need.

If you are someone who is making 6 figures but dont want to pay higher taxes because of the lazy people who would benefit from it, then by all means create a better plan and run for president.

For those people who keep on saying "It aint right for them to get ANY of my hard earned money", well there are people working harder than you who make less then you, and probably give you the ability to work at all in the first place. These same people dont have the capabilities to achieve due to VARIOUS REASONS such as health and financial. God forbid we try to help them out :roll:.

Edit: Also on the charity part, Charity organizations target only a selected number of groups in certain areas. Taxes go nation wide. I also dont recall a "Fund redmasterdx's college tuition" charity lol.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You are removing self-reliance and personal responsibility from society. Deathxcore

Yeah, I'm sure all those kids whose parents can't even afford a pair of socks for them should go get a job. Maybe they could apply for a post as a decoy for Chris Hansen.

You know what some of the 'self-reliant' poor people do? Steal, kill and sell their bodies for their family. Guess the rich simply can't pass on another slice of their pudding for breakfast.

Tell those poor parents and their kids that life requires you to work for your money and that nothing worth anything comes free or easy.

I'm tired of hearing the sob story of poor people, they're poor for a reason.

A) They have a serious mental/physical disability *which is the only excused and only partially justified reason*

or

B) They don't have jobs and/or have an addiction.

It all comes down to personal priorities and personal money management. I single bounced or late check can easily take a man from wealthy to broke in a matter of days. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are extremely essential to human survival, we cannot carry ourselves, our children, and their futures on our backs as well as yours; it just isn't our problem.

I don't mind a portion of my money going towards services to take care of veterans and disabled folk, I do mind paying for a lazy mom who is addicted to cocaine to take my money and snort it up while her kids go hungry. If the person is poor, they probably have horrible money management skills and/or work ethic; in which case, screw em. They'll learn from being poor and turn it around, or teach their kids what NOT to do with their lives.

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="RedMasterDX"]

If I'm making 6 figures, I could care less about a tax increase just for me. I really doubt that taxes would bring me down to something like 50k a year also.

If Im making that type of money, then I dont mind giving some away to help better the country for the future generations, especially for my family.

htekemerald

shouldn't it be yyour choice though, charities exist for a reason, also if you give it to a charity you can choose what you suppport

Why should the rich people, who put so much into society, owe yet more to those whose contributions to society are negligible?

[QUOTE="Deathxcore"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You are removing self-reliance and personal responsibility from society. Funky_Llama

Yeah, I'm sure all those kids whose parents can't even afford a pair of socks for them should go get a job. Maybe they could apply for a post as a decoy for Chris Hansen.

You know what some of the 'self-reliant' poor people do? Steal, kill and sell their bodies for their family. Guess the rich simply can't pass on another slice of their pudding for breakfast.

Tell those poor parents and their kids that life requires you to work for your money and that nothing worth anything comes free or easy.

I'm tired of hearing the sob story of poor people, they're poor for a reason.

A) They have a serious mental/physical disability *which is the only excused and only partially justified reason*

or

B) They don't have jobs and/or have an addiction.

It all comes down to personal priorities and personal money management. I single bounced or late check can easily take a man from wealthy to broke in a matter of days. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are extremely essential to human survival, we cannot carry ourselves, our children, and their futures on our backs as well as yours; it just isn't our problem.

I don't mind a portion of my money going towards services to take care of veterans and disabled folk, I do mind paying for a lazy mom who is addicted to cocaine to take my money and snort it up while her kids go hungry. If the person is poor, they probably have horrible money management skills and/or work ethic; in which case, screw em. They'll learn from being poor and turn it around, or teach their kids what NOT to do with their lives.

No and no.

Minimum wage?

Better get two jobs, that is, if you like to eat with the lights on.

Can't find a job?

There is ALWAYS a job somewhere. Mow a lawn, scrap metal, give blood, buy cheap groceries, own a coupon book. Money Management FTW.

[QUOTE="Deathxcore"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You are removing self-reliance and personal responsibility from society. Funky_Llama

Yeah, I'm sure all those kids whose parents can't even afford a pair of socks for them should go get a job. Maybe they could apply for a post as a decoy for Chris Hansen.

You know what some of the 'self-reliant' poor people do? Steal, kill and sell their bodies for their family. Guess the rich simply can't pass on another slice of their pudding for breakfast.

Tell those poor parents and their kids that life requires you to work for your money and that nothing worth anything comes free or easy.

I'm tired of hearing the sob story of poor people, they're poor for a reason.

A) They have a serious mental/physical disability *which is the only excused and only partially justified reason*

or

B) They don't have jobs and/or have an addiction.

It all comes down to personal priorities and personal money management. I single bounced or late check can easily take a man from wealthy to broke in a matter of days. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are extremely essential to human survival, we cannot carry ourselves, our children, and their futures on our backs as well as yours; it just isn't our problem.

I don't mind a portion of my money going towards services to take care of veterans and disabled folk, I do mind paying for a lazy mom who is addicted to cocaine to take my money and snort it up while her kids go hungry. If the person is poor, they probably have horrible money management skills and/or work ethic; in which case, screw em. They'll learn from being poor and turn it around, or teach their kids what NOT to do with their lives.

.3% of this country works for minimum wage (actually, the number might be smaller). And I'm sorry, if you can't make more after 6 months, you're a loser. No really, you are. It's pathetic.

I just read an article in the Detroit Free Press about Great Lakes Crossing (a HUGE mega-mall) had 140 job openings. Guess how many applicantions they got? 11. 11 applications for 140 jobs. And out of these 11 people who showed up for the interview, most of them came with torn shirts, late, etc, etc. And this is in Michigan, one of the worst , if not now the worst economy in the U.S. I guess people are too good for those jobs....:roll:

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Deathxcore"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You are removing self-reliance and personal responsibility from society. trix5817

Yeah, I'm sure all those kids whose parents can't even afford a pair of socks for them should go get a job. Maybe they could apply for a post as a decoy for Chris Hansen.

You know what some of the 'self-reliant' poor people do? Steal, kill and sell their bodies for their family. Guess the rich simply can't pass on another slice of their pudding for breakfast.

Tell those poor parents and their kids that life requires you to work for your money and that nothing worth anything comes free or easy.

I'm tired of hearing the sob story of poor people, they're poor for a reason.

A) They have a serious mental/physical disability *which is the only excused and only partially justified reason*

or

B) They don't have jobs and/or have an addiction.

It all comes down to personal priorities and personal money management. I single bounced or late check can easily take a man from wealthy to broke in a matter of days. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are extremely essential to human survival, we cannot carry ourselves, our children, and their futures on our backs as well as yours; it just isn't our problem.

I don't mind a portion of my money going towards services to take care of veterans and disabled folk, I do mind paying for a lazy mom who is addicted to cocaine to take my money and snort it up while her kids go hungry. If the person is poor, they probably have horrible money management skills and/or work ethic; in which case, screw em. They'll learn from being poor and turn it around, or teach their kids what NOT to do with their lives.

.3% of this country works for minimum wage (actually, the number might be smaller). And I'm sorry, if you can't make more after 6 months, you're a loser. No really, you are. It's pathetic.

Don't rich people pay taxes to help the poor already?bungie93

Yep. A huge chunk of our tax money goes to things like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, Welfare programs, etc, etc...

Well I would like to say thank you for the people who pay taxes. Because of you, I was able to get financial aid money to help pay my tuition for college. I have my associate's degree and later planning to get a BA, but first I'm saving some money up. Also thank you for for supporting my widowed grandmother, who pays with foodstamps. She's now living comfortably in an apartment which my family helps pay for. The main reason why I wouldnt mind paying extra taxes (first I would have to make 250,000+ a year :P) is because Im a person who benefited from it. My dad owned his own hat company. After 9/11, his company went bankrupt (including ourselves), we sold everything and managed to live in an small apartment.

What makes me sad about most people who posted here who dont want to "spread the wealth", as they put it, is that they're forsaking one group of people who can benefit from it (like how I did) because of another group of "lazy people" who dont strive to achieve are receiving the same thing.

Well my 76 year old grandma cant strive to achieve, obviously, and my cousing who is in special education programs to say the least cant strive to achieve either. True that lazy people, who were brought up that way by their parents and community, dont deserve that money, but once again I would still pay taxes if it helped someone truly in need.

If you are someone who is making 6 figures but dont want to pay higher taxes because of the lazy people who would benefit from it, then by all means create a better plan and run for president.

For those people who keep on saying "It aint right for them to get ANY of my hard earned money", well there are people working harder than you who make less then you, and probably give you the ability to work at all in the first place. These same people dont have the capabilities to achieve due to VARIOUS REASONS such as health and financial. God forbid we try to help them out :roll:.

RedMasterDX

I find it funny how most people ignored this beautiful gem of a post.

Well I would like to say thank you for the people who pay taxes. Because of you, I was able to get financial aid money to help pay my tuition for college. I have my associate's degree and later planning to get a BA, but first I'm saving some money up. Also thank you for for supporting my widowed grandmother, who pays with foodstamps. She's now living comfortably in an apartment which my family helps pay for. The main reason why I wouldnt mind paying extra taxes (first I would have to make 250,000+ a year :P) is because Im a person who benefited from it. My dad owned his own hat company. After 9/11, his company went bankrupt (including ourselves), we sold everything and managed to live in an small apartment.

What makes me sad about most people who posted here who dont want to "spread the wealth", as they put it, is that they're forsaking one group of people who can benefit from it (like how I did) because of another group of "lazy people" who dont strive to achieve are receiving the same thing.

Well my 76 year old grandma cant strive to achieve, obviously, and my cousing who is in special education programs to say the least cant strive to achieve either. True that lazy people, who were brought up that way by their parents and community, dont deserve that money, but once again I would still pay taxes if it helped someone truly in need.

If you are someone who is making 6 figures but dont want to pay higher taxes because of the lazy people who would benefit from it, then by all means create a better plan and run for president.

For those people who keep on saying "It aint right for them to get ANY of my hard earned money", well there are people working harder than you who make less then you, and probably give you the ability to work at all in the first place. These same people dont have the capabilities to achieve due to VARIOUS REASONS such as health and financial. God forbid we try to help them out :roll:.

RedMasterDX

your grandmothers benefits should come under pension which is a different matter as everybody takes it

shame about your dads aht business, personally i think the way round the lazy people is simpley make you work for the dole, street sweeping, military, police ect

No and no.

Minimum wage?

Better get two jobs, that is, if you like to eat with the lights on.

Can't find a job?

There is ALWAYS a job somewhere. Mow a lawn, scrap metal, give blood, buy cheap groceries, own a coupon book. Money Management FTW.

Deathxcore

[QUOTE="bungie93"]Don't rich people pay taxes to help the poor already?trix5817

Yep. A huge chunk of our tax money goes to things like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, Welfare programs, etc, etc...

I just read an article in the Detroit Free Press about Great Lakes Crossing (a HUGE mega-mall) had 140 job openings. Guess how many applicantions they got? 11. 11 applications for 140 jobs. And out of these 11 people who showed up for the interview, most of them came with torn shirts, late, etc, etc. And this is in Michigan, one of the worst , if not now the worst economy in the U.S. I guess people are too good for those jobs....:roll:

trix5817

i've seen that as a problem too, people don't take jobs because they're not exactly what they want, there are the jobs available just people won't take them

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Deathxcore"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]You are removing self-reliance and personal responsibility from society. Funky_Llama

Yeah, I'm sure all those kids whose parents can't even afford a pair of socks for them should go get a job. Maybe they could apply for a post as a decoy for Chris Hansen.

You know what some of the 'self-reliant' poor people do? Steal, kill and sell their bodies for their family. Guess the rich simply can't pass on another slice of their pudding for breakfast.

Tell those poor parents and their kids that life requires you to work for your money and that nothing worth anything comes free or easy.

I'm tired of hearing the sob story of poor people, they're poor for a reason.

A) They have a serious mental/physical disability *which is the only excused and only partially justified reason*

or

B) They don't have jobs and/or have an addiction.

It all comes down to personal priorities and personal money management. I single bounced or late check can easily take a man from wealthy to broke in a matter of days. Self-reliance and personal responsibility are extremely essential to human survival, we cannot carry ourselves, our children, and their futures on our backs as well as yours; it just isn't our problem.

I don't mind a portion of my money going towards services to take care of veterans and disabled folk, I do mind paying for a lazy mom who is addicted to cocaine to take my money and snort it up while her kids go hungry. If the person is poor, they probably have horrible money management skills and/or work ethic; in which case, screw em. They'll learn from being poor and turn it around, or teach their kids what NOT to do with their lives.

.3% of this country works for minimum wage (actually, the number might be smaller). And I'm sorry, if you can't make more after 6 months, you're a loser. No really, you are. It's pathetic.

Somebodies Gotta Say it by Neal Boortz. That percentage was for the U.S. And no, you really are pathetic if you can't get a raise after 6 months. You're a joke. I made over minimum wage in high school for crying out loud. You have to be the most inept person not to after about 6 months.

[QUOTE="Deathxcore"]

No and no.

Minimum wage?

Better get two jobs, that is, if you like to eat with the lights on.

Can't find a job?

There is ALWAYS a job somewhere. Mow a lawn, scrap metal, give blood, buy cheap groceries, own a coupon book. Money Management FTW.

LJS9502_basic

I know that you can't support a family on mowing lawns, champ.

But that lawn mowing is bring in an extra $15-40 that your unemployed butt isn't.

Something is better than nothing, even if you had a minimum wage job; you could be making extra money by doing odd jobs.

I know that you can't support a family on mowing lawns, champ.

But that lawn mowing is bring in an extra $15-40 that your unemployed butt isn't.

Something is better than nothing, even if you had a minimum wage job; you could be making extra money by doing odd jobs.

Deathxcore

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="bungie93"]Don't rich people pay taxes to help the poor already?LJS9502_basic

Yep. A huge chunk of our tax money goes to things like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, Welfare programs, etc, etc...

I hate when people say that. Just because people make more money, doesn't make everyone "Richie-Riches" as the media depicts, throwing around their money to anything that they feel like. People who make more money work just as hard as those who are making less - and generally care for their money just as much as well. Not everyone is like Paris Hilton or the other superstars, you know.