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#1101 Necrifer
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uh oh, xaos and I both responded to the same post. You know what this means... TDH central coordination.

cybrcatter

It is kinda suspicious.

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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

uh oh, xaos and I both responded to the same post. You know what this means... TDH central coordination.

Necrifer

It is kinda suspicious.

So's your face
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#1103 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Then I call for a fifty day recess to properly prepare my case.Dylan_11

Pfff, still over-ruled, m*ther f*cker.

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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

uh oh, xaos and I both responded to the same post. You know what this means... TDH central coordination.

Necrifer

It is kinda suspicious.

We should not browse OT at the same time.

Perhaps he can take daytime and I'll take nights.

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#1105 Necrifer
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YOU GUYS

you did it again

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#1106 MissLibrarian
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Christ, its like MissL is putting Raw on trial.DroidPhysX

A rather droll comparison, but I suppose rather accurate in its way also, I will admit that over the last year I have seen many people I'd count as friends with fall afoul of various TDH conduct and it has frustrated me that I have been able to call anyone out on it publicly.

As for the format though, that's because I know how much raw enjoys arguing his position by falling back not-exactly-true-but-not-untrue technicalities, making him admit outright to these TDH actions was the funnest way I could think of to get the truth out of him beyond question and bring these things to light.

The only outcome I am after is for people to be aware of the sort of things TDH have done in the past that I personally find objectionable, that other people apparently haven't even known of til now, so that they can make their own judgement on the place (not possible before since I couldn't 'accuse' them due to the TOU and the fact they never actually 'targeted' me personally).

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

uh oh, xaos and I both responded to the same post. You know what this means... TDH central coordination.

cybrcatter

It is kinda suspicious.

We should not browse OT at the same time.

Perhaps he can take daytime and I'll take nights.

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#1108 rawsavon
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In regards to what follows....
Yes, we are friends, and I am not being coy/shying away. I will answer to the best of my ability/memory.

Just know that the events, while meaningful to some, don't mean much to me. That is not an attempt to troll through trivialization...just the truth.
I guess I could try and find out the answers for certain, but that would require hours worth of work. So I am just going to do the best I can

I was aware that it's two different things, I what I wanted from you and what I asked from you were different things, where that post was concerned.

If you need some reminders I'll be happy let you know of the ones I'm aware of. Did you make a thread over in TDH telling everyone to track Topsemag because Topsemag had removed various TDH member from his tracking list?

Don't remember if I made the thread. I remember there being one.
But I can't say if I created it or not.

The whole event, to the best of my knowledge, started b/c he stopped tracking Brie/stopped talking to her.
She had done nothing to wrong him in any way and was curious why she no longer had access to his 'page'.
When she asked why, he confirmed the above and said (basically) that it was b/c he did not want to associate with people that posted on TDH.
...so he cut a freind out b/c of a website they post on even though their relationship had not changed at all (this was before any TDH trolling, so no reason on his part)

So people were like, 'well...'

Did members of TDH purposefully befriend Topsemag and then leak those personal PMs regarding TDH there in a TDH thread? Did you afterwards claim innocence and did not many of you pretend to have little involvement in order to make Topsemag appear more paranoid or whatever?

Yes. It happened.
I am innocent as far as doing it, but I did have knowledge....so did many, though not all, people that posted
there.
I did laugh and enjoy it though.

And while we're in a confession-esq mood what about the others? By this I obviously mean OT members who, for whatever reason, chose not to join the TDH fold and specifically those who you deemed weak enough to pick on for the lulz.

I don't pick on poeple I deem 'weak' and quite honestly take offense to you even suggesting that.
...if this were anyone else, the conversation would stop and i would not be answering any more questions/wasting my time.
I don't mess with people I don't think can take it, and I don't shy away from anyone.

Did you not all make trolling picture memes of Mailer and post them here in order to provoke a reaction you could laugh and more over there? And going down the other road a moment, what is it about Mailer then, that you found annoying or little habit he had that was tempting to tease?

1. I did not make those. don't even know how
2. I did not post them
3. I tried to reason with Mailer b/c I honestly felt bad for him
4. He flipped out...modded me (which he later apologized for, but never overturned the TOU violation)
It was at that point, I said 'f*ck this dude'
He is far worse than Tops. He is grown ass man that has no idea how to function in the adult world/cope + he is vindictive
-when he can't handle something, he mods people
-I tried to talk to him outside of GS (on MSN) to deal with the issue...he declined
-he is also a 'crooked' mod that would delete/non action posts from Deith
-he is also a fool. how can one post samurai pictures on the net and not think they will get made fun of...you have to know that any pic is potential meme material (see my pic for example)

How about Deih, did various TDH members not continually mock her about her friendship with Mailer by claiming they were in a relationship, and mocked other things that she was obviously sensitive about like her body and her virginity - so much so that she no longer posts with us?

Yes and NO
People mocked her about things that happened on TFG
Some people said something about her looks. I (and others) considered this to be way 'out of bounds' and voiced opposition to such insults...they stopped.
I, and others, enjoyed having her post on TDH and most would welcome her back (not that I blame her for leaving)

How about the continual mocking of BlindBluMonster's looks and unfortunate facial hair and all that?

I like her and have NEVER said a bad thing about her. You can ask her yourself.
Others have.
But others say 'bad' things about my looks as well...comes with the territory of posting pics

Do you not use an actual photo of Tepni as a mocking emoticon on your site?

Yes. Attention whore = I don't feel bad
I did not make it (don't know how), but it doesn't bother me

What about the on-going threads TDH have where you continually draw attention to comments made here away from the eyes of the people involved? And evening linking OT threads etc. in it? There are other examples of course, these are the ones that come to mind, I suppose if I had studied better I'd recollect more examples too.

we talk about and discuss and link funny sh*t from all over the place...GS included (it is common ground). But GS is by no means the only place

Oh yes, what's you problem with Drac also? Would love to hear that.

Too long to get into
-can't take what he dishes out
-reads pm's that are not reported/oversteps his bounds
-acts like a child even though he might be the oldest here (or close to it)
-treats people like crap but then hides behind the admin/staff tags...or did

But most importantly do you deny that you have made these and other malicious moves both as an individual, and as part of a particular group, and in a one-way trolling method that meant that it was hard for any of these people to call you to account considering our old TOU rules?

Did I use and enjoy the old rules?...yes, of course.
They created an atmosphere that benefited those with more tact, wit, and intellect

GS said as much when they changed the rules

So much to the extent that people like myself who have complained about your actions in the past have be accused of being ignorant and/or deluded?

As with all things, it is never black and white.
Sometimes you and others have been correct and sometimes not.
an example of 'not' would be with Mailer when I really did feel it went too far and tried to help.
...but even when told how to do so, he has no idea how to deal 'razzing'

...

....

...

That statement was really more regarding the one thread I know you personally made telling TDH members to troll Topsemag by tracking him. I don't argue that TDH is some sort of army who follows your every command but I also don't think you can deny abusing your position of power there to add weight behind your trolling endeavours at least sometimes.


I don't think my 'position' has even 1% to do with anything. I don't think anyone gives a f*ck that I am an admin.

MissLibrarian

Now a question for you.
Why do you care about any of this?

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#1109 cybrcatter
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YOU GUYS

you did it again

Necrifer

Don't worry, he's part of the Scottish Rite, and I'm part of York.

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#1110 MissLibrarian
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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"]If we can learn anything from this thread, it's that there are only victims in OT, and everything is always one-sided. cybrcatter
Stop being such a pompous twаt for just a little bit why don't you?

I'm too old to change my ways.

Then I'd appreciate it if you'd try and keep your snout of if it this time,
unless you actually want to discuss thing in a long and boring fashion like a grown up,

Which I admit would be a hard feat for you. I don't begrudge you that I guess.

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#1111 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]How is it that you know all of this? MissLibrarian
I talk to people and I pay attention. That's about it.

...and posted on/has access to TDH
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A rather droll comparison, but I suppose rather accurate in its way also, I will admit that over the last year I have seen many people I'd count as friends with fall afoul of various TDH conduct and it has frustrated me that I have been able to call anyone out on it publicly.

MissLibrarian

Like your friend Deihjan?

Might want to click on her profile sometime to see why she really left. ;[

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#1113 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

A rather droll comparison, but I suppose rather accurate in its way also, I will admit that over the last year I have seen many people I'd count as friends with fall afoul of various TDH conduct and it has frustrated me that I have been able to call anyone out on it publicly.

Baconbits2004

Like your friend Deihjan?

Might want to click on her profile sometime to see why she really left. ;[

I recall her saying a few times she had some problems with some of TDH......
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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]How is it that you know all of this? rawsavon
I talk to people and I pay attention. That's about it.

...and posted on/has access to TDH

So it IS an inside job... aha...
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#1115 cybrcatter
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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Stop being such a pompous twаt for just a little bit why don't you?MissLibrarian

I'm too old to change my ways.

Then I'd appreciate it if you'd try and keep your snout of if it this time,
unless you actually want to discuss thing in a long and boring fashion like a grown up,

Which I admit would be a hard feat for you. I don't begrudge you that I guess.

I can say what needs to be said without being long-winded about it.

I'm not as entertaining as raw or LJ.

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#1116 MissLibrarian
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No offense to MissL, but with that level of info it seems more like discussions between co-conspirators. Frame_Dragger
Flattered as I am to be accused of such acting skills and such involvement within a group of popular people I assure you this is not some sort of pre-arranged drama. That I don't doubt it is amusing quite a few people none the less.
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#1117 DroidPhysX
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ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because topse was a genuine e-friend

. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doesn't present all the facts.

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#1118 Bloodseeker23
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Sizzzling hot thread is sizzzzling. Man I want me some sizzlers now..
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because she had a close e-relationship. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doens't present all the facts.

What are all the facts then?
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#1120 Necrifer
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ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because topse was a genuine e-friend

. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doesn't present all the facts.

DroidPhysX

EXPLAIN NOW

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#1121 Baconbits2004
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

A rather droll comparison, but I suppose rather accurate in its way also, I will admit that over the last year I have seen many people I'd count as friends with fall afoul of various TDH conduct and it has frustrated me that I have been able to call anyone out on it publicly.

LJS9502_basic

Like your friend Deihjan?

Might want to click on her profile sometime to see why she really left. ;[

I recall her saying a few times she had some problems with some of TDH......

Water under the bridge as far as I'm aware.

She made a blog about leaving... got something like 5 or so (?) moderations in one conversation and said f*ck this I'm outta here.

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#1122 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]No offense to MissL, but with that level of info it seems more like discussions between co-conspirators. MissLibrarian
Flattered as I am to be accused of such acting skills and such involvement within a group of popular people I assure you this is not some sort of pre-arranged drama. That I don't doubt it is amusing quite a few people none the less.

I don't think this is pre-arranged.... you seem sincere to me. What I meant is that your level of knowledge makes me wonder if you were active in this TDH during the times when the events you describe took place.
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ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because topse was a genuine e-friend

. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doesn't present all the facts.

DroidPhysX

You keep your dirty mouth shut.

If you ruin this I will remove dinklberg.

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#1124 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because she had a close e-relationship. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doens't present all the facts.

What are all the facts then?

I stopped taking him seriously when I saw him backpedal his opinions to fall in line with specific users. Don't expect him to be unbiased.
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#1125 rawsavon
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As for the format though, that's because I know how much raw enjoys arguing his position by falling back not-exactly-true-but-not-untrue technicalities, making him admit outright to these TDH actions was the funnest way I could think of to get the truth out of him beyond question and bring these things to light.

MissLibrarian

you are full of sh*t in the above and you know it. I have always admitted anything you asked me.
you ask for honesty, but then you don't give it to people.

You had the opportunity (and took it) to ask me numerous questions through the dozens of emails and pm's sent...

The only outcome I am after is for people to be aware of the sort of things TDH have done in the past that I personally find objectionable, that other people apparently haven't even known of til now, so that they can make their own judgement on the place (not possible before since I couldn't 'accuse' them due to the TOU and the fact they never actually 'targeted' me personally).

MissLibrarian

now you are being honest
you already have the answers...you just want to put on a f*cking show. Which is fine. I enjoy a good show.
...just don't try and feed people crap about you getting the truth (you have it and have always has access).

do you feel better now?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because she had a close e-relationship. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doens't present all the facts.

What are all the facts then?

I stopped taking him seriously when I saw him backpedal his opinions to fall in line with specific users. Don't expect him to be unbiased.

Im gonna give him a chance although this is the second time Ive asked this question and still waiting on a answer
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ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because topse was a genuine e-friend

. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doesn't present all the facts.

DroidPhysX
she did troll topse. I just choose not to throw everything out there (like the pm's she sent asking for my help in it)
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#1128 Bloodseeker23
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Man I dont know about y'all...But TeamRaw all the way! :P
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#1129 Seraphy-
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I don't think anyone gives a f*ck that I am an admin.

rawsavon
yeah, a fair portion of TDH actually doesn't even like raw, and in fact we just had a member today tell him to f*ck off and die I think OT underestimates how much time TDH spends bickering with itself more than anything
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#1130 TwoFace-BS
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

ITT we learn that MissL is seeking retribution for topse either because she trolled him in the past or because topse was a genuine e-friend

. Either way, her arguments are one sided and she doesn't present all the facts.

rawsavon
she did troll topse. I just choose not to throw everything out there (like the pm's she sent asking for my help in it)

Everyone keeps on saying there is more to this but I still havent heard it yet
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#1131 LJS9502_basic
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Man I dont know about y'all...But TeamRaw all the way! :PBloodseeker23
I think that team sucks TBH...
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#1132 tocool340
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The hell is going on in this thread?....:?
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#1133 TwoFace-BS
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[QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Man I dont know about y'all...But TeamRaw all the way! :PLJS9502_basic
I think that team sucks TBH...

I think its just us three against TDH anyway
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#1134 Bloodseeker23
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[QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Man I dont know about y'all...But TeamRaw all the way! :PLJS9502_basic
I think that team sucks TBH...

Well well..the good ol days of Team Smackdown days are dead and gone :(
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#1135 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Man I dont know about y'all...But TeamRaw all the way! :PTwoFace-BS
I think that team sucks TBH...

I think its just us three against TDH anyway

You'd be surprised how many users don't like that site.....they just try to ignore it.
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#1137 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Then I call for a fifty day recess to properly prepare my case.airshocker

Pfff, still over-ruled, m*ther f*cker.

dvsv

I demand a new judge.

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#1138 Baconbits2004
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]Man I dont know about y'all...But TeamRaw all the way! :PTwoFace-BS
I think that team sucks TBH...

I think its just us three against TDH anyway

You LJ and myself? \o/

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#1139 Necrifer
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The hell is going on in this thread?....:?

tocool340

Something about some guy with OCD...

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#1140 TwoFace-BS
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think that team sucks TBH...

I think its just us three against TDH anyway

You'd be surprised how many users don't like that site.....they just try to ignore it.

Im just talking about this thread TBH I was indifferent to them at the start,Not anymore
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#1141 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think that team sucks TBH...Baconbits2004

I think its just us three against TDH anyway

You LJ and myself? \o/

You? I doubt that.....
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#1142 Necrifer
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Dylan_11

Once someone's judge, they're kind of stuck there.

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#1143 NiKva
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Are people spamming in this thread? Seriously? 10 posts per minute?
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#1144 TwoFace-BS
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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think that team sucks TBH...Baconbits2004

I think its just us three against TDH anyway

You LJ and myself? \o/

I was more thinking Me,LJS and MissLibrarian since you're part of TDH
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#1145 Bloodseeker23
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Are people spamming in this thread? Seriously? 10 posts per minute?NiKva
Hush young one. Let the old people mind their business. :P
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#1146 Necrifer
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yes

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#1147 Seraphy-
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I can't wait to do this exact thing next week
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#1148 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"] I think its just us three against TDH anywayTwoFace-BS

You LJ and myself? \o/

I was more thinking Me,LJS and MissLibrarian since you're part of TDH

MissL is also a part of TDH

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#1149 DJ-Lafleur
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Are people spamming in this thread? Seriously? 10 posts per minute?NiKva

Well, yes. This is about a major issue surrounding GS.

Hell I think the whole Jeff debacle back in the day had more spam than this.

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#1150 Baconbits2004
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"] I think its just us three against TDH anywayLJS9502_basic

You LJ and myself? \o/

You? I doubt that.....

I'll proudly support whatever group or clique gamespot has to offer, conflicting interests be damned.