When will America crumble?

As seen in history, pretty much all great empires fall. For example, Persian Empire, Roman Empire, etc (which did not fall just because of war but for other reasons like running out of basically money). When will it be the United States turn? Also if the US was broken up and every single state became its own country (hypothetically) which state would take control of the majority of the other states?

Countries these days decline. The don't collapse.cd_rom

It wont. I wont allow that to happen.

Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

If America falls the states will go into independance and we will probably fight each other over resources. It is possible that states that are close to one another would form one country. Idaho, Oregon and Washington for example would form one country, Texas and California are large and rich enough to stand on their own.

When this would happen, probably sooner then you think. We are already broke beyond fixing.

Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

Pirate700

Aren't you the only country to own land that isn't connected to your mainland or even close to it atm?

Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

Pirate700

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Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

Espada12

Aren't you the only country to own land that isn't connected to your mainland or even close to it atm?

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

Pirate700

Aren't you the only country to own land that isn't connected to your mainland or even close to it atm?

Even though I should have rephrased that I thought the latter part of the sentence would have cleared it up. Aren't you the only country to own territories not on your continent?

And since when have we been an empire? :|

Pirate700

Since forever.

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Aren't you the only country to own land that isn't connected to your mainland or even close to it atm?

Espada12

Even though I should have rephrased that I thought the latter part of the sentence would have cleared it up. Aren't you the only country to own territories not on your continent?

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Aren't you the only country to own land that isn't connected to your mainland or even close to it atm?

Espada12

Even though I should have rephrased that I thought the latter part of the sentence would have cleared it up. Aren't you the only country to own territories not on your continent?

From my knowledge yes, but it's not like we own 20 peices of land all around the world. The only places I can think of off the top of my head is Hawaii, Puerto rico, and the virgin Islands right?

I hope that never happens

Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

Pirate700

From my knowledge yes, but it's not like we own 20 peices of land all around the world. The only places I can think of off the top of my head is Hawaii, Puerto rico, and the virgin Islands right?

bigblunt537

The guy with the wiki listing has all but yea normally those are what come to my mind as well.

We are the only country to have bases everywherre lol. I blame it on Japan they attacked us when we did not want to join the war. Then We came over and kicked ass so know we think we are awesome.

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From my knowledge yes, but it's not like we own 20 peices of land all around the world. The only places I can think of off the top of my head is Hawaii, Puerto rico, and the virgin Islands right?

Espada12

The guy with the wiki listing has all but yea normally those are what come to my mind as well.

I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

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From my knowledge yes, but it's not like we own 20 peices of land all around the world. The only places I can think of off the top of my head is Hawaii, Puerto rico, and the virgin Islands right?

bigblunt537

The guy with the wiki listing has all but yea normally those are what come to my mind as well.

I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

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From my knowledge yes, but it's not like we own 20 peices of land all around the world. The only places I can think of off the top of my head is Hawaii, Puerto rico, and the virgin Islands right?

bigblunt537

The guy with the wiki listing has all but yea normally those are what come to my mind as well.

I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

when i die8)

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The guy with the wiki listing has all but yea normally those are what come to my mind as well.

Espada12

I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

They get a ton of benefits as a common wealth. They are born with US citizenship, they get welfare and all sorts of other things. It's almost identical as being born in NJ with the only difference is that Spanish is taught before English.

@Pirate It's because they need 50% of the population to vote for being a state. The majority of the Island votes for becoming a state, but it's less than 50 so therefore they keep it as it is. It's funny though because the lowest % of votes go for independence yet the "Other" option basically meaning common wealth is large enough to stop it from becoming a state.

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I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

bigblunt537

They get a ton of benefits as a common wealth. They are born with US citizenship, they get welfare and all sorts of other things. It's almost identical as being born in NJ with the only difference is that Spanish is taught before English.

@Pirate It's because they need 50% of the population to vote for being a state. The majority of the Island votes for becoming a state, but it's less than 50 so therefore they keep it as it is. It's funny though because the lowest % of votes go for independence yet the "Other" option basically meaning common wealth is large enough to stop it from becoming a state.

At that point they may as well be a state, but I guess they want to keep their own government (if they have one).

We might decline, but we're actually pretty safe from crumbling for a couple of reasons. We're pretty friendly with our neighbors, so there's no natural invasion route. We have a large number of natural resources, we we can't be resource starved. We have a large oil reserve in Alaska, so we can't be held at ransom with oil when push comes to shove.

We might decline, but we're actually pretty safe from crumbling for a couple of reasons. We're pretty friendly with our neighbors, so there's no natural invasion route. We have a large number of natural resources, we we can't be resource starved. We have a large oil reserve in Alaska, so we can't be held at ransom with oil when push comes to shove.

xionvalkyrie

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Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

topsemag55

Treason!!!

:P

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The guy with the wiki listing has all but yea normally those are what come to my mind as well.

Pirate700

I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

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I actually think PR should become a state. This bs has been going on for too long. It would just benefit the people. (I know completely off-topic) lol

Locke562

a long time unlike past empires

We dont like to conquer vast areas of land yes we invade crush and crumble our enemy but pull out after our puppet goverment is installed

How long has britian been around thousands of years American will still be here for 100 hundred ofthousands of years

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Why would we crumble? EU is in much worse shape. Why can't they crumble? And since when have we been an empire? :|

Locke562

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]My sentiments exactly, Pirate. Maybe people would stop insulting us if we cut off all foreign aid.:?

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]My sentiments exactly, Pirate. Maybe people would stop insulting us if we cut off all foreign aid.:?

KungfuKitten

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] No, I think they'd insult us more.Candy-Star

When we let Canada get to powerful, then they'll run us off and bring in the tanks, we should really look into moving them further away from us with a lake of fire and gasoline or a electric lake wis gasoline burning under it.

A. The United States will not "crumble." We will simply decline to a position that is less important than the one we currently hold.

B. The United States is not an empire. Owning land on other continents does equate to being an empire. Yes, we have military bases around the world, but they are strategically placed. It's an unfortunate reality that rogue states do exist; somebody has to deal with them, and it's not going to be the EU, China, India, Russia or Brazil. The United States has 233 years of peaceful transitions of power, excepting the Civil War which failed anyways, and the longest-standing constitution in the world. As much as this might piss some people off, we have proven that we have the rationality and the political stability to interject our influence into important global issues. It's not like we specifically planned to be the only country that wasn't absolutely decimated after World War 2, and then become a historic superpower. It simply evolved that way as more and more recovering nations depended on us for reconstruction, political guidance, and financial stability. Seeing as how we are, and have been, the hegemonic power, we have a duty to assert ourselves when problems like nuclear proliferation and terrorist threats come into the picture and threaten our security, as well as the peaceful functionality of the global system. What do you want us to do...just unconditionally give away our power? No other country would ever do that, and neither should the United States be expected to. We are criticized when we don't try to solve problems, and we're criticized when we do try to solve problems. The 'bame America' game just doesn't cut it. It's a complete farce.

A. The United States will not "crumble." We will simply decline to a position that is less important than the one we currently hold.

B. The United States is not an empire. Owning land on other continents does equate to being an empire. Yes, we have military bases around the world, but they are strategically placed. It's an unfortunate reality that rogue states do exist; somebody has to deal with them, and it's not going to be the EU, China, India, Russia or Brazil. The United States has 233 years of peaceful transitions of power, excepting the Civil War which failed anyways, and the longest-standing constitution in the world. As much as this might piss some people off, we have proven that we have the rationality and the political stability to interject our influence into important global issues. It's not like we specifically planned to be the only country that wasn't absolutely decimated after World War 2, and then become a historic superpower. It simply evolved that way as more and more recovering nations depended on us for reconstruction, political guidance, and financial stability. Seeing as how we are, and have been, the hegemonic power, we have a duty to assert ourselves when problems like nuclear proliferation and terrorist threats come into the picture and threaten our security, as well as the peaceful functionality of the global system. What do you want us to do...just unconditionally give away our power? No other country would ever do that, and neither should the United States be expected to. We are criticized when we don't try to solve problems, and we're criticized when we do try to solve problems. The 'bame America' game just doesn't cut it. It's a complete farce.

its_me_

9/11 wasn't exactly handled rationally same goes for vietnam. I agree with you on alot of points though.

A. The United States will not "crumble." We will simply decline to a position that is less important than the one we currently hold.

B. The United States is not an empire. Owning land on other continents does equate to being an empire. Yes, we have military bases around the world, but they are strategically placed. It's an unfortunate reality that rogue states do exist; somebody has to deal with them, and it's not going to be the EU, China, India, Russia or Brazil. The United States has 233 years of peaceful transitions of power, excepting the Civil War which failed anyways, and the longest-standing constitution in the world. As much as this might piss some people off, we have proven that we have the rationality and the political stability to interject our influence into important global issues. It's not like we specifically planned to be the only country that wasn't absolutely decimated after World War 2, and then become a historic superpower. It simply evolved that way as more and more recovering nations depended on us for reconstruction, political guidance, and financial stability. Seeing as how we are, and have been, the hegemonic power, we have a duty to assert ourselves when problems like nuclear proliferation and terrorist threats come into the picture and threaten our security, as well as the peaceful functionality of the global system. What do you want us to do...just unconditionally give away our power? No other country would ever do that, and neither should the United States be expected to. We are criticized when we don't try to solve problems, and we're criticized when we do try to solve problems. The 'bame America' game just doesn't cut it. It's a complete farce.

its_me_

It's not about giving away power.
Also not about solving problems.
It's many seperate things that annoy people. The confusion surrounding the happenings around 9 11 for example. And the incredible amount of money wasted on the banks after the crash (without any way to check where it disappeared to). And for example forcing biometric ID onto europe, which is vastly limiting freedom.
Those things were uncalled for and unnecesary.

Who cares whether a nation has tons of power. As long as they use it wisely. That's what is being questioned.
It's not like people want america to be worse off. People are just being protective.

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A. The United States will not "crumble." We will simply decline to a position that is less important than the one we currently hold.

B. The United States is not an empire. Owning land on other continents does equate to being an empire. Yes, we have military bases around the world, but they are strategically placed. It's an unfortunate reality that rogue states do exist; somebody has to deal with them, and it's not going to be the EU, China, India, Russia or Brazil. The United States has 233 years of peaceful transitions of power, excepting the Civil War which failed anyways, and the longest-standing constitution in the world. As much as this might piss some people off, we have proven that we have the rationality and the political stability to interject our influence into important global issues. It's not like we specifically planned to be the only country that wasn't absolutely decimated after World War 2, and then become a historic superpower. It simply evolved that way as more and more recovering nations depended on us for reconstruction, political guidance, and financial stability. Seeing as how we are, and have been, the hegemonic power, we have a duty to assert ourselves when problems like nuclear proliferation and terrorist threats come into the picture and threaten our security, as well as the peaceful functionality of the global system. What do you want us to do...just unconditionally give away our power? No other country would ever do that, and neither should the United States be expected to. We are criticized when we don't try to solve problems, and we're criticized when we do try to solve problems. The 'bame America' game just doesn't cut it. It's a complete farce.

KungfuKitten

The United States did not force the European Union to legislate biometric identification. We may have taken a strong stance in favor of it, but we do not make policy for them, period. 9/11 was not handled in the wrong way. Iraq was handled in the wrong way. I specifically remember even Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton commending George Bush for his handling of the actual incident, and for invading Afghanistan.

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] No, I think they'd insult us more.Locke562

When we hold it in the milk for too long.

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A. The United States will not "crumble." We will simply decline to a position that is less important than the one we currently hold.

B. The United States is not an empire. Owning land on other continents does equate to being an empire. Yes, we have military bases around the world, but they are strategically placed. It's an unfortunate reality that rogue states do exist; somebody has to deal with them, and it's not going to be the EU, China, India, Russia or Brazil. The United States has 233 years of peaceful transitions of power, excepting the Civil War which failed anyways, and the longest-standing constitution in the world. As much as this might piss some people off, we have proven that we have the rationality and the political stability to interject our influence into important global issues. It's not like we specifically planned to be the only country that wasn't absolutely decimated after World War 2, and then become a historic superpower. It simply evolved that way as more and more recovering nations depended on us for reconstruction, political guidance, and financial stability. Seeing as how we are, and have been, the hegemonic power, we have a duty to assert ourselves when problems like nuclear proliferation and terrorist threats come into the picture and threaten our security, as well as the peaceful functionality of the global system. What do you want us to do...just unconditionally give away our power? No other country would ever do that, and neither should the United States be expected to. We are criticized when we don't try to solve problems, and we're criticized when we do try to solve problems. The 'bame America' game just doesn't cut it. It's a complete farce.

its_me_

The United States did not force the European Union to legislate biometric identification. We may have taken a strong stance in favor of it, but we do not make policy for them, period. 9/11 was not handled in the wrong way. Iraq was handled in the wrong way. I specifically remember even Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton commending George Bush for his handling of the actual incident, and for invading Afghanistan.

As seen in history, pretty much all great empires fall. For example, Persian Empire, Roman Empire, etc (which did not fall just because of war but for other reasons like running out of basically money). When will it be the United States turn? Also if the US was broken up and every single state became its own country (hypothetically) which state would take control of the majority of the other states?

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