Which one had basically aged better and is more up to date(as possible) with modern times. Some will probably answer islam, but there are uite a few things in the other that are just as bad.
Get rid of them both, so we can progress as a society. When we have people believing in total myth with zero evidence, there is something that is mentally wrong with them.
Get rid of them both, so we can progress as a society. When we have people believing in total myth with zero evidence, there is something that is mentally wrong with them.
Yusuke420
So something is mentally wrong with you as well since it's impossible to say one has proof that a god does not exist?
Get rid of them both, so we can progress as a society. When we have people believing in total myth with zero evidence, there is something that is mentally wrong with them.
Get rid of them both, so we can progress as a society. When we have people believing in total myth with zero evidence, there is something that is mentally wrong with them.
LJS9502_basic
So something is mentally wrong with you as well since it's impossible to say one has proof that a god does not exist? I don't care either way, I don't care about trying to disprove your imaginary friendship because it's impossible to prove a negative. What I know is that religious beliefs have a huge role in preventing our species from reaching it's full potential because it create stagnation and not progress. I do know that these crazy people actually believe the Earth was created in 6000 years and think dinosaur bones were planted by satan to test their faith. You cannot have a scientic. progressive society when you have huge segements of the population rejecting the scientific method as a whole.
Get rid of them both, so we can progress as a society. When we have people believing in total myth with zero evidence, there is something that is mentally wrong with them.
Yusuke420
So something is mentally wrong with you as well since it's impossible to say one has proof that a god does not exist? I don't care either way, I don't care about trying to disprove your imaginary friendship because it's impossible to prove a negative. What I know is that religious beliefs have a huge role in preventing our species from reaching it's full potential because it create stagnation and not progress. I do know that these crazy people actually believe the Earth was created in 6000 years and think dinosaur bones were planted by satan to test their faith. You cannot have a scientic. progressive society when you have huge segements of the population rejecting the scientific method as a whole.You might want to study history then since many advanced cultures were religious. You really are deluded by your hate.
Get rid of them both, so we can progress as a society. When we have people believing in total myth with zero evidence, there is something that is mentally wrong with them.
Yusuke420
So something is mentally wrong with you as well since it's impossible to say one has proof that a god does not exist? I don't care either way, I don't care about trying to disprove your imaginary friendship because it's impossible to prove a negative. What I know is that religious beliefs have a huge role in preventing our species from reaching it's full potential because it create stagnation and not progress. I do know that these crazy people actually believe the Earth was created in 6000 years and think dinosaur bones were planted by satan to test their faith. You cannot have a scientic. progressive society when you have huge segements of the population rejecting the scientific method as a whole. I think you have a very distorted view of what Christianity is and does.
What scientifically advanced cultures? Have we colonized space or did I miss that devlopment? Are there not christians who believe the planet is 6000 years old and that dinosaur bones are simply the work of satan? What have I misunderstood about a religion who's mainstay preaches tolerance and peace among men, but the followers consistantly judge and demeen anyone who doesn't conform to their beliefs.
I'm sick of having to deal with people preaching about a book that was written by men and translated hundreds of thousands of times as total gospel and you should take every word as fact.
What scientifically advanced cultures? Have we colonized space or did I miss that devlopment? Are there not christians who believe the planet is 6000 years old and that dinosaur bones are simply the work of satan? What have I misunderstood about a religious who's mainstay preaches tolerance and peace among men, but the followers consistantly judge and demeen anyone who doesn't conform to their beliefs.
I'm sick of having to deal with people preaching about a book that was written by men and translated hundreds of thousands of times as total gospel and you should take every word as fact.
Yusuke420
k this is an awfully original point to make. you're blowing our minds.
What scientifically advanced cultures? Have we colonized space or did I miss that devlopment? Are there not christians who believe the planet is 6000 years old and that dinosaur bones are simply the work of satan? What have I misunderstood about a religion who's mainstay preaches tolerance and peace among men, but the followers consistantly judge and demeen anyone who doesn't conform to their beliefs.
I'm sick of having to deal with people preaching about a book that was written by men and translated hundreds of thousands of times as total gospel and you should take every word as fact.
Yusuke420
There are those who believe those things, yes, but they aren't representative of Christianity or of the believers as a whole. Also it should be noted that a book is considered more accurate to the original the more times it's recopied.
Christianity because it's somewhat flexible and able to adapt as times change.
nocoolnamejim
Not saying that Islam is any better, but I hadn't noticed, say, the Vatican being particularly flexible or adaptable to changing times. Vatican is one denomination..
Followers of both religions often get in the way of what is generally percieved as progress, but Islam is worse in that regard, by far. So, Christianity, despite all of its current incompatibilities in various aspects of what I deem to be modernity.
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
To the two people (LJS and the Commie advocator) who made identical arguments. No, the Vatican does not speak for or represent ALL of Christianity. Just like there are various subsegments of Christianity there are of Islam as well. If I had to choose, I'd say that Christianity is SLIGHTLY more progressive on the whole than Islam at the moment, but the gap isn't as large as some would like it to be, and that both groups have done a piss poor job adapting and changing to modern times overall.
I'm not anti-religious, but neither works better than the other. Christianity is a bit more civilized as a whole, but it's still pretty primitive and intollerant.
I believe religion should just be kept for personal reasons and discussed with others, but not declare it as a universal "truth", because it isn't. It's faith.
What scientifically advanced cultures? Have we colonized space or did I miss that devlopment? Are there not christians who believe the planet is 6000 years old and that dinosaur bones are simply the work of satan? What have I misunderstood about a religion who's mainstay preaches tolerance and peace among men, but the followers consistantly judge and demeen anyone who doesn't conform to their beliefs.
I'm sick of having to deal with people preaching about a book that was written by men and translated hundreds of thousands of times as total gospel and you should take every word as fact.
Yusuke420
Speaking of demeening anyone who doesn't conform to their beliefs. :) You know that getting rid of religion will not magically make the world a better place, and isn't a cause of not being able to colonized space.
Georges Lemaitre a Belgian priest who was also a astronomet and professor of physics was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe, and a good number of scientists follow a religion.
I'm not anti-religious, be neither works better than the other. Christianity is a bit more civilized as a whole, but still pretty primitive and intollerant.
I believe religion should just be kept for personal reasons, discussed with others, but not declare it as a unviversal "truth", because it isn't. It's faith.
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
Yusuke420
Genesis as a whole is often considered an allegory. In fact, the whole interpreting the Bible 100% literally thing is a fairly recent invention.
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
jim_shorts
Genesis as a whole is often considered an allegory. In fact, the whole interpreting the Bible 100% literally thing is a fairly recent invention. And a really dumb invention in my humble opinion. When faith and science conflict, science should win out. Faith exists to fill in the blanks on things that science can't explain or interpret. It should replace things that science HAS come up with a good explanation for.
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
Yusuke420
According to archeologists a flood did occur roughly in the area of the Biblical story at that particle time. So there is some truth to it. As for animals...I'd imagine he took the animals that were important to the family. IE livestock and pets. All forms of life? The story deals with one area. To them it was the world and the animals were what they knew. You are expecting them to have advanced scientific knowledge are you?
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
jim_shorts
Genesis as a whole is often considered an allegory. In fact, the whole interpreting the Bible 100% literally thing is a fairly recent invention. Where are you getting that from?
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
nocoolnamejim
Genesis as a whole is often considered an allegory. In fact, the whole interpreting the Bible 100% literally thing is a fairly recent invention. And a really dumb invention in my humble opinion. When faith and science conflict, science should win out. Faith exists to fill in the blanks on things that science can't explain or interpret. It should replace things that science HAS come up with a good explanation for. I've always thought it was a mistake to interpret the Bible too literally too. Transubstantiation for example. Why is it so hard to accept that the bread and wine are symbols?
I'm not anti-religious, but neither works better than the other. Christianity is a bit more civilized as a whole, but it's still pretty primitive and intollerant.
I believe religion should just be kept for personal reasons and discussed with others, but not declare it as a universal "truth", because it isn't. It's faith.
zenogandia
Agreed on it having to be purely personal, but then Christianity will be more of a friend to you. Islam is more than a religion, it is also a totalitarian political ideology that controls every aspect of its followers lives.
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]post to break thread glitch that stops me from seeing the 11 new replies ignore this Hate. That. Glitch.Yeh, never had it before now. :{ Posting seems to have worked though.
Let me also say that I don't have a problem with people practicing anything in private or among like minded people. It's only when these people try to create socital policy that it becomes destructive.
Surely you then accept the notion that the story of Noah for example is impossible? There is zero chance that he was able to house all forms of life in pairs with enough food and resources for him and six other humans plus and animal for 40 days in a boat that wasn't even half the size of the Titanic. The Titanic itself only stored enough food to feed 3000 people for two weeks and it was over twice the size. There is zero logic when it comes to the acceptance of a religious belief and this is why I remain agonistic.
pie-junior
Genesis as a whole is often considered an allegory. In fact, the whole interpreting the Bible 100% literally thing is a fairly recent invention. Where are you getting that from?Biblical literalism came out of the Protestant reformation. Luther was a huge advocate of it. One of the few bad things to come out of the reformation.
I'm not anti-religious, but neither works better than the other. Christianity is a bit more civilized as a whole, but it's still pretty primitive and intollerant.
I believe religion should just be kept for personal reasons and discussed with others, but not declare it as a universal "truth", because it isn't. It's faith.
zenogandia
Christianity is not intolerant.....some Christians are. The entire message of Christianity is to love your neighbors and that includes "enemies"...as well as honor God of course.
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"] Genesis as a whole is often considered an allegory. In fact, the whole interpreting the Bible 100% literally thing is a fairly recent invention. Where are you getting that from?Biblical literalism came out of the Protestant reformation. Luther was a huge advocate of it. One of the few bad things to come out of the reformation. and what did they do before?
Let me also say that I don't have a problem with people practicing anything in private or among like minded people. It's only when these people try to create socital policy that it becomes destructive.
Yusuke420
So opinions other than yours are socially destructive? That makes you a bigot by the way....
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