[QUOTE="FreddyJeffery"]Which religion works better in modern times?the_bi99man
None.
Atheism is a religion.
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Which religion works better in modern times. Christianity or Islam?
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the brown and dead thing is exactly what I mean once again. You're redirecting what you think causes the problem. Rather then look into it you seek out the simplist explaination of "herp dem rednecks wanna kill the brown peoples" when in reality in a conflict between powerful first world governments and radical islamists who 's ideas are bent on killing innocent people. No governments are not just randomly attacking brown people, you even saying that suggests a very ignorant view of the issues as well as dug in racism on your part, governments are attacking these radical islamists.[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]
[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
MakeMeaSammitch
the science comment is funny though, it shows that you do just what gray fox does. You passively aggressively attack criticism rather than either addressing it or admitting fault. I've seen this from multiple Muslims, and I think the inability to spot fault may honestly be a trait that religion promotes.
Perfect example is that you said nothing was accomplished in Iraq, I stated that yes there was, democracy was established, yet you ignored it, and like the ignoramus you are, you will continue to ignore that while spouting on about brown people you f*cking racist.
bla bla bla move on troll. pretending to know what hes talking bout but in reality has no fukin clue. Internet warriors ftw.
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="FreddyJeffery"]Which religion works better in modern times?wis3boi
None.
Atheism is a religion.
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Aaaahhhh!! Gotcha! Now I know where you got your sig from: A NASA vid (on YT)? "You are the universe" or something. Loved that vid. Can you recommend any good YT channels like that? I've subscribed to one called Bdwilson (sp?) and it's great. You know of any others?
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="FreddyJeffery"]Which religion works better in modern times?wis3boi
None.
Atheism is a religion.
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
None.
Atheism is a religion.
the_bi99man
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
That's interesting. I'd consider myself agnostic-atheist.
I make no claim regarding the existence of god/s, really someone else has to come to me with their claim to get me to even consider such a possibility. When confronted I'd say 'I don't know'.
But at the same time, I haven't yet seen any evidence for any god/s so I'm atheistic towards any claim of god/s existence without any compelling evidence.
In every group there are a few bad apples that spoil the whole bunch (Guns N' Roses), but at the same time I'd be keen to know what it is about their atheism that makes it more religious in nature. Preaching atheism perhaps? A common one I see on YouTube is insulting religious people - that's not the right way!
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
None.
Atheism is a religion.
the_bi99man
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
Atheism and agnostism are two different things entirely, one regards knowledge the other is belief. You can be both an atheist and agnostic.
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
toast_burner
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
Atheism and agnostism are two different things entirely, one regards knowledge the other is belief. You can be both an atheist and agnostic.Exactly, I don't claim to no for certain there is no "creator", I just reject all of the existing explainations as it relates to the matter.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
None.
Atheism is a religion.
the_bi99man
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
I find it funny that in making sure they have no religion and making it very clear and in your face the whole time they turn their actions into a religious movements. Quite ironic, actually. Also, there's a big gap between agnostics and atheists...well most of them anyway.Technically we're all agnostic because nobody can literally know the answers for definite.
Did i just blow your collective minds?
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
None.
Atheism is a religion.
the_bi99man
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
Agnostics are all atheists. You either believe in a god, or don't. Atheism is my (lack of ) belief. Agnosticism is my position. If a god appeared I would believe in him. There are Agnostic atheists and Gnostic atheists. Gnostics make up very very little of the non-religious crowd because asserting you know for a fact a deity doesn't exist is just as illogical as saying you know for a fact one does exist.
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
wis3boi
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
Agnostics are all atheists. You either believe in a god, or don't. Atheism is my (lack of ) belief. Agnosticism is my position. If a god appeared I would believe in him. There are Agnostic atheists and Gnostic atheists. Gnostics make up very very little of the non-religious crowd because asserting you know for a fact a deity doesn't exist is just as illogical as saying you know for a fact one does exist.
Proof denies faith and without faith God is nothing blah blah bah.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
None.
Atheism is a religion.
MirkoS77
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
Aaaahhhh!! Gotcha! Now I know where you got your sig from: A NASA vid (on YT)? "You are the universe" or something. Loved that vid. Can you recommend any good YT channels like that? I've subscribed to one called Bdwilson (sp?) and it's great. You know of any others?
I don;t have many youtube subs on my account, hoenstly...I just type science and religion stuff into the search bar when i want to find something. I mainly listen to audiobooks fromHtichens and Dawkins, and Dan Dennett, or the PBS show Cosmos from Carl Sagan. The Atheist Experience show is great if you want to discuss a mix of science, philosophy, and religion.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
Ilovegames1992
Agnostics are all atheists. You either believe in a god, or don't. Atheism is my (lack of ) belief. Agnosticism is my position. If a god appeared I would believe in him. There are Agnostic atheists and Gnostic atheists. Gnostics make up very very little of the non-religious crowd because asserting you know for a fact a deity doesn't exist is just as illogical as saying you know for a fact one does exist.
Proof denies faith and without faith God is nothing blah blah bah.
yup :P
I don;t have many youtube subs on my account, hoenstly...I just type science and religion stuff into the search bar when i want to find something. I mainly listen to audiobooks fromHtichens and Dawkins, and Dan Dennett, or the PBS show Cosmos from Carl Sagan. The Atheist Experience show is great if you want to discuss a mix of science, philosophy, and religion.wis3boiThe channel I'm thinking of is bdwilson1000. It has videos about religion, philosophy, and has videos of Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris among others. Might want to check it out.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]I don;t have many youtube subs on my account, hoenstly...I just type science and religion stuff into the search bar when i want to find something. I mainly listen to audiobooks fromHtichens and Dawkins, and Dan Dennett, or the PBS show Cosmos from Carl Sagan. The Atheist Experience show is great if you want to discuss a mix of science, philosophy, and religion.MirkoS77The channel I'm thinking of is bdwilson1000. It has videos about religion, philosophy, and has videos of Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris among others. Might want to check it out.
Awesome, thanks. I love a good Hitchslap
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
A rejection of a claim is not a religion
wis3boi
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
Agnostics are all atheists. You either believe in a god, or don't. Atheism is my (lack of ) belief. Agnosticism is my position. If a god appeared I would believe in him. There are Agnostic atheists and Gnostic atheists. Gnostics make up very very little of the non-religious crowd because asserting you know for a fact a deity doesn't exist is just as illogical as saying you know for a fact one does exist.
:lol:
Bull-fvcking-sh!t.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe now you will be educated
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
Every Atheist I've ever met takes it much farther than a rejection of a claim. They literally made it a religion, and they're just as intolerant of others as any other religious fanatic. Atheists who aren't that way aren't actually atheists. They're Agnostics, and just never learned the difference.
ShadowsDemon
Agnostics are all atheists. You either believe in a god, or don't. Atheism is my (lack of ) belief. Agnosticism is my position. If a god appeared I would believe in him. There are Agnostic atheists and Gnostic atheists. Gnostics make up very very little of the non-religious crowd because asserting you know for a fact a deity doesn't exist is just as illogical as saying you know for a fact one does exist.
:lol:
Bull-fvcking-sh!t.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe now you will be educated
He doesnt believe in a god. He's an atheist and doesnt like using the word, and neither do a lot of people because it shouldn't exist at all...we don't have words for people who don't collect stamps or who don't believe in unicorns.. Funny how I have to keep repeating the definition of this, since it's so damn simple. Every English dictionary lists agnostic and atheist as synonyms. It can't get much clearer than that
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
Agnostics are all atheists. You either believe in a god, or don't. Atheism is my (lack of ) belief. Agnosticism is my position. If a god appeared I would believe in him. There are Agnostic atheists and Gnostic atheists. Gnostics make up very very little of the non-religious crowd because asserting you know for a fact a deity doesn't exist is just as illogical as saying you know for a fact one does exist.
wis3boi
:lol:
Bull-fvcking-sh!t.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe now you will be educated
He doesnt believe in a god. He's an atheist and doesnt like using the word, and neither do a lot of people because it shouldn't exist at all...we don't have words for people who don't collect stamps or who don't believe in unicorns.. Funny how I have to keep repeating the definition of this, since it's so damn simple. Every English dictionary lists agnostic and atheist as synonyms. It can't get much clearer than that
Doesn't matter. There's soft agnosticism and there's hard agnosticism. You can be an agnostic atheist and an agnostic thiest. It's not as simple as 1 + 1 as you make it out to be. Atheists are not agnostics. There is nothing more to discuss. He clearly stated he was not an atheist, and how plenty of atheists (like yourself) say that he is one. I think he can say what his opinion is without branding him under a title.[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]
:lol:
Bull-fvcking-sh!t.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe now you will be educated
ShadowsDemon
He doesnt believe in a god. He's an atheist and doesnt like using the word, and neither do a lot of people because it shouldn't exist at all...we don't have words for people who don't collect stamps or who don't believe in unicorns.. Funny how I have to keep repeating the definition of this, since it's so damn simple. Every English dictionary lists agnostic and atheist as synonyms. It can't get much clearer than that
Doesn't matter. There's soft agnosticism and there's hard agnosticism. You can be an agnostic atheist and an agnostic thiest. It's not as simple as 1 + 1 as you make it out to be. Atheists are not agnostics. There is nothing more to discuss. He clearly stated he was not an atheist, and how plenty of atheists (like yourself) say that he is one. I think he can say what his opinion is without branding him under a title.You still don't get it....sigh...
Doesn't matter. There's soft agnosticism and there's hard agnosticism. You can be an agnostic atheist and an agnostic thiest. It's not as simple as 1 + 1 as you make it out to be. Atheists are not agnostics. There is nothing more to discuss. He clearly stated he was not an atheist, and how plenty of atheists (like yourself) say that he is one. I think he can say what his opinion is without branding him under a title.[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
He doesnt believe in a god. He's an atheist and doesnt like using the word, and neither do a lot of people because it shouldn't exist at all...we don't have words for people who don't collect stamps or who don't believe in unicorns.. Funny how I have to keep repeating the definition of this, since it's so damn simple. Every English dictionary lists agnostic and atheist as synonyms. It can't get much clearer than that
wis3boi
You still don't get it....sigh...
Clearly you believe that everyone must be branded under specific titles. You must see the world in a very black and white way if that's your viewpoint.[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]
:lol:
Bull-fvcking-sh!t.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe now you will be educated
ShadowsDemon
He doesnt believe in a god. He's an atheist and doesnt like using the word, and neither do a lot of people because it shouldn't exist at all...we don't have words for people who don't collect stamps or who don't believe in unicorns.. Funny how I have to keep repeating the definition of this, since it's so damn simple. Every English dictionary lists agnostic and atheist as synonyms. It can't get much clearer than that
Doesn't matter. There's soft agnosticism and there's hard agnosticism. You can be an agnostic atheist and an agnostic thiest. It's not as simple as 1 + 1 as you make it out to be. Atheists are not agnostics. There is nothing more to discuss. He clearly stated he was not an atheist, and how plenty of atheists (like yourself) say that he is one. I think he can say what his opinion is without branding him under a title.I identify myself as a male, I'm sexually attracted to men but not women, I'm not gay Seeing how I said it, it must be true.:roll:Not liking using the word doesn't mean you no longer fit into the words definition. I don't like the word either because it's pointless.
[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] Clearly you believe that everyone must be branded under specific titles.ShadowsDemonYeah that's called 'defining words' Did you ever take any form of creativity/English classes in school? If so you'd know there are no defining limits for each and every single person. I believe in God, but not in typical creationism. I believe in the Big Bang Theory, but not the Trinity. I believe the world is billions of years old, and I don't believe in Hell. Enlighten me, which religion fits my beliefs down to a T, then? :roll:
deism? :P
hello everyone I have great news ive converted to atheism (the militant sect) now :D:D:D
Did you ever take any form of creativity/English classes in school? If so you'd know there are no defining limits for each and every single person. I believe in God, but not in typical creationism. I believe in the Big Bang Theory, but not the Trinity. I believe the world is billions of years old, and I don't believe in Hell. Enlighten me, which religion fits my beliefs down to a T, then? :roll:[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Yeah that's called 'defining words'wis3boi
deism? :P
That's the belief in a non-personal creator.
.....you've made atheism mainstream nowhello everyone I have great news ive converted to atheism (the militant sect) now :D:D:D
kingkong0124
maybe ill go back to islam
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]Agnosticism: You neither actively believe or disbelieve in a higher power. Atheism: You actively reject the claim of a higher power. The issue with this discussion is that bi99man and wiseboy are both making an absolute claim. bi99man says that atheist are religiously fanatic that God does not exist or they are not atheists. This is wrong. Wiseboy claims that all agnostics are atheists. This is wrong. The issue is that you're dealing in absolutes with the beliefs of over 7 billion people. There's people who don't fit any description being put out in this discussion and both sides are trying to remove room to put someone in a simple black and white category and the less titles you allow to be used the less accurate on a persons stance you will be.Ace6301That's exactly what I was saying. You can't simply brand everyone under a single title and expect them all to mold into shape regardless of customary beliefs. The world isn't in black and white. The mistake you're all making is that bi99man never claimed he was atheist or agnostic. He simply said a world without religion would be best and contends that atheism as he sees it fits the description of a religion. It seems more like he's arguing that he thinks organized religion and strong beliefs either way aren't good in the modern world. Based on the evidence you can neither claim he is not an atheist or he is regardless of his own statements that he is not an atheist given that his understanding of what an atheist is is incorrect (disregarding the chance of him lying). I agree with you in that narrowing the terms down to such a degree as they were being narrowed down to does no good to anyone and only causes confusion. As for what your belief would be termed you haven't provided enough evidence. "Non-denominational Christian" seems to fit closest based on what you said.
I was never directly talking about biman, or anyone in particular. I was merely correcting confusion over a term that apparently millions of people get wrong and it directly affects those who fall into the non-believers category.
1. Gnostic Atheist - Knows and believes there is no god.
2. Agnostic Atheist - Lacks belief, but does not know there is no god.
3. Gnostic Theist - Knows and believes there is a god.
4. Agnostic Theist - Believes, but does not know there is a god.
Everyone falls into one of those four. I was earlier simply saying that if someone said "I'm agnostic" that doesn't tell me anything. It's a blank statement. Religion is kind of a hobby of mine, and when I hear "atheism is a religion" I just facepalm.
The mistake you're all making is that bi99man never claimed he was atheist or agnostic. He simply said a world without religion would be best and contends that atheism as he sees it fits the description of a religion. It seems more like he's arguing that he thinks organized religion and strong beliefs either way aren't good in the modern world. Based on the evidence you can neither claim he is not an atheist or he is regardless of his own statements that he is not an atheist given that his understanding of what an atheist is is incorrect (disregarding the chance of him lying). I agree with you in that narrowing the terms down to such a degree as they were being narrowed down to does no good to anyone and only causes confusion. As for what your belief would be termed you haven't provided enough evidence. "Non-denominational Christian" seems to fit closest based on what you said.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] That's exactly what I was saying. You can't simply brand everyone under a single title and expect them all to mold into shape regardless of customary beliefs. The world isn't in black and white.wis3boi
I was never directly talking about biman, or anyone in particular. I was merely correcting confusion over a term that apparently millions of people get wrong and it directly affects those who fall into the non-believers category.
1. Gnostic Atheist - Knows and believes there is no god.
2. Agnostic Atheist - Lacks belief, but does not know there is no god.
3. Gnostic Theist - Knows and believes there is a god.
4. Agnostic Theist - Believes, but does not know there is a god.
Everyone falls into one of those four. I was earlier simply saying that if someone said "I'm agnostic" that doesn't tell me anything. It's a blank statement. Religion is kind of a hobby of mine, and when I hear "atheism is a religion" I just facepalm.
Everyone falls into one of those 4 because they're complete blanket statements, so of course they do. However your earlier statement that "all agnostics are atheists" is false. Your own 4 categories asserts your statement as false as agnostic can potentially cover both atheistic and theistic leanings. Saying "I'm agnostic" gives you a very good idea of what someone believes. They don't assert there certainly is no God and they don't assert there is certainly a God. That statement alone removes a massive number of possibilities of belief. You can't say you dislike the term "Agnostic" and then go by 4 other blanket statements that declare just as much.[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] The mistake you're all making is that bi99man never claimed he was atheist or agnostic. He simply said a world without religion would be best and contends that atheism as he sees it fits the description of a religion. It seems more like he's arguing that he thinks organized religion and strong beliefs either way aren't good in the modern world. Based on the evidence you can neither claim he is not an atheist or he is regardless of his own statements that he is not an atheist given that his understanding of what an atheist is is incorrect (disregarding the chance of him lying). I agree with you in that narrowing the terms down to such a degree as they were being narrowed down to does no good to anyone and only causes confusion. As for what your belief would be termed you haven't provided enough evidence. "Non-denominational Christian" seems to fit closest based on what you said.Ace6301
I was never directly talking about biman, or anyone in particular. I was merely correcting confusion over a term that apparently millions of people get wrong and it directly affects those who fall into the non-believers category.
1. Gnostic Atheist - Knows and believes there is no god.
2. Agnostic Atheist - Lacks belief, but does not know there is no god.
3. Gnostic Theist - Knows and believes there is a god.
4. Agnostic Theist - Believes, but does not know there is a god.
Everyone falls into one of those four. I was earlier simply saying that if someone said "I'm agnostic" that doesn't tell me anything. It's a blank statement. Religion is kind of a hobby of mine, and when I hear "atheism is a religion" I just facepalm.
Everyone falls into one of those 4 because they're complete blanket statements, so of course they do. However your earlier statement that "all agnostics are atheists" is false. Your own 4 categories asserts your statement as false as agnostic can potentially cover both atheistic and theistic leanings. Saying "I'm agnostic" gives you a very good idea of what someone believes. They don't assert there certainly is no God and they don't assert there is certainly a God. That statement alone removes a massive number of possibilities of belief. You can't say you dislike the term "Agnostic" and then go by 4 other blanket statements that declare just as much.I can see this is getting nowhere when you tapdance around everything
Everyone falls into one of those 4 because they're complete blanket statements, so of course they do. However your earlier statement that "all agnostics are atheists" is false. Your own 4 categories asserts your statement as false as agnostic can potentially cover both atheistic and theistic leanings. Saying "I'm agnostic" gives you a very good idea of what someone believes. They don't assert there certainly is no God and they don't assert there is certainly a God. That statement alone removes a massive number of possibilities of belief. You can't say you dislike the term "Agnostic" and then go by 4 other blanket statements that declare just as much.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
I was never directly talking about biman, or anyone in particular. I was merely correcting confusion over a term that apparently millions of people get wrong and it directly affects those who fall into the non-believers category.
1. Gnostic Atheist - Knows and believes there is no god.
2. Agnostic Atheist - Lacks belief, but does not know there is no god.
3. Gnostic Theist - Knows and believes there is a god.
4. Agnostic Theist - Believes, but does not know there is a god.Everyone falls into one of those four. I was earlier simply saying that if someone said "I'm agnostic" that doesn't tell me anything. It's a blank statement. Religion is kind of a hobby of mine, and when I hear "atheism is a religion" I just facepalm.
wis3boi
I can see this is getting nowhere when you tapdance around everything
Come now, I thought this was your hobby?[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Everyone falls into one of those 4 because they're complete blanket statements, so of course they do. However your earlier statement that "all agnostics are atheists" is false. Your own 4 categories asserts your statement as false as agnostic can potentially cover both atheistic and theistic leanings. Saying "I'm agnostic" gives you a very good idea of what someone believes. They don't assert there certainly is no God and they don't assert there is certainly a God. That statement alone removes a massive number of possibilities of belief. You can't say you dislike the term "Agnostic" and then go by 4 other blanket statements that declare just as much. Ace6301
I can see this is getting nowhere when you tapdance around everything
Come now, I thought this was your hobby?It is, multiple hours a day. Many of my university courses are also on this type of subject. Those same four definitions are the ones used by professionals who do that kind of thing for a living and as I said before dicitonaries have agnosticism and atheism as synonyms, because you either actively believe or you don't, and gnosticism/agnosticism is only your position on the likelyhood of your claim being correct. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a god because theists have not met their burden of proof and I will continue to disbelieve until I see such proof. I cannot claim for certain one does not exist (and claiming certainty for a lot of things is silly)
Come now, I thought this was your hobby?[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
I can see this is getting nowhere when you tapdance around everything
wis3boi
It is, multiple hours a day. Many of my university courses are also on this type of subject. Those same four definitions are the ones used by professionals who do that kind of thing for a living and as I said before dicitonaries have agnosticism and atheism as synonyms, because you either actively believe or you don't, and gnosticism/agnosticism is only your position on the likelyhood of your claim being correct. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a god because theists have not met their burden of proof and I will continue to disbelieve until I see such proof. I cannot claim for certain one does not exist (and claiming certainty for a lot of things is silly)
If you believe these 4 categories exist then your previous statement that all agnostics are atheists is wrong. Simple. Your own chart has agnostic deists. What's there to argue?[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Come now, I thought this was your hobby?Ace6301
It is, multiple hours a day. Many of my university courses are also on this type of subject. Those same four definitions are the ones used by professionals who do that kind of thing for a living and as I said before dicitonaries have agnosticism and atheism as synonyms, because you either actively believe or you don't, and gnosticism/agnosticism is only your position on the likelyhood of your claim being correct. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a god because theists have not met their burden of proof and I will continue to disbelieve until I see such proof. I cannot claim for certain one does not exist (and claiming certainty for a lot of things is silly)
If you believe these 4 categories exist then your previous statement that all agnostics are atheists is wrong. Simple. Your own chart has agnostic deists. What's there to argue?I was talking about those who simply identify as "agnostic" if you walk up to them on the street and ask them what they are.
obvious teenager trying to rebel and be coolhello everyone I have great news ive converted to atheism (the militant sect) now :D:D:D
kingkong0124
yes, it's actually pretty arogant to claim you have the answers when you have none.Technically we're all agnostic because nobody can literally know the answers for definite.
Did i just blow your collective minds?
Ilovegames1992
If you believe these 4 categories exist then your previous statement that all agnostics are atheists is wrong. Simple. Your own chart has agnostic deists. What's there to argue?[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
It is, multiple hours a day. Many of my university courses are also on this type of subject. Those same four definitions are the ones used by professionals who do that kind of thing for a living and as I said before dicitonaries have agnosticism and atheism as synonyms, because you either actively believe or you don't, and gnosticism/agnosticism is only your position on the likelyhood of your claim being correct. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a god because theists have not met their burden of proof and I will continue to disbelieve until I see such proof. I cannot claim for certain one does not exist (and claiming certainty for a lot of things is silly)
wis3boi
I was talking about those who simply identify as "agnostic" if you walk up to them on the street and ask them what they are.
I know someone who believes in God but is an agnostic because he's not certain about which God actually exists, and if there is one god or multiple gods, or any at all. That's not an atheist, mang. Conforming others to a narrow, black and white label and stamped with empty, grand statements won't work in this day and age.THink outside the box.[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] If you believe these 4 categories exist then your previous statement that all agnostics are atheists is wrong. Simple. Your own chart has agnostic deists. What's there to argue?ShadowsDemon
I was talking about those who simply identify as "agnostic" if you walk up to them on the street and ask them what they are.
I know someone who believes in God but is an agnostic because he's not certain about which God actually exists, and if there is one god or multiple gods, or any at all. That's not an atheist, mang. Conforming others to a narrow, black and white label and stamped with empty, grand statements won't work in this day and age.THink outside the box.context of the argument, but since others have lead it astray from where it was many pages ago, this is just a clusterfvck now. What you said is not wrong, but in the context of what I was originally talking about it is irrelevant.
I know someone who believes in God but is an agnostic because he's not certain about which God actually exists, and if there is one god or multiple gods, or any at all. That's not an atheist, mang. Conforming others to a narrow, black and white label and stamped with empty, grand statements won't work in this day and age.THink outside the box.[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
I was talking about those who simply identify as "agnostic" if you walk up to them on the street and ask them what they are.
wis3boi
context of the argument, but since others have lead it astray from where it was many pages ago, this is just a clusterfvck now. What you said is not wrong, but in the context of what I was originally talking about it is irrelevant.
Maybe so, but we're just trying to establish that people can't be branded under simple titles. The human mind is too complex to be narrowed down like that.
Atheism is the religion of "there's nothing out there." Not "I don't know, I'm undecided" but actively "I'm %100 sure there is nothing out there."
If you're not sure what's out there, or undecided, you're Agnostic.
Agnostic isn't a "form of Atheism" Atheists just say that to make themselves seem less loopy.
Atheism is Atheism.
Agnosticism is Agnosticism.
Theism is Theism.
Only the middle one doesn't have a dogma attached, the other two are belief systems with no facts supporting them.
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