Whites losing majority status in 2042
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First paragraph: Lets separate people by hair color then. Because its all the same thing. Africans simply have more melanin than whites do. Second paragraph: no response necessary third: Race does not walk hand in hand with culture, as ive already proven. Really? All similar? Ancient Celtic Ireland was SOOOOOOOOO much like ancient Greece! Early Slavonic culture was similar to pagan Ireland as well! /sarcasm. You will see indian families start to assimilate, and w hite families assimilate to the new immigrants. Thats how new cultures form. European culture is a mishmash of war lords taking over. So dont act like you actually favor cultural purity (that still makes you a bigot) French culture changed when the Romans took over Gaul. Is this a problem? Probably not. you know, because Romans are considered white. Hispanics in Latin America ALL HAVE EUROPEAN CULTURE. Their culture is mostly derived from Spain! But I bet you're not in favor of having a large portion of them here, even though European culture is "all similar" Race does not exist. However, one can still be racist because in order to be racist you have to first believe that race exists. How you see that as a contradiction is beyond me. All of those examples you have listed are racist. Separatism, Nationalism and Supremacism. All of which require a separation, because one would believe their way is best and deserves no changes. This is arrogance and is nothing short of racist. You are a racist, you cannot be separated from that,"sigh" it seems some of you are behind this new movement of "the race is the Human race" etc. There is a species of Ape know as Homo Sapiens, this species evolved in Central Africa. It eventually left Africa and began expanding across the planet, some went North to Europe, some went East into Asia and eventually into the Americas, some decided to say at the crossroads known as the Middle-East and some even decided to stay in Africa. This is where the sub-species known as Races begins. White people developed lighter skin as a means to collect more sunlight for the production of Vitamin D, East Asians also have lighter skin as there environment is not as hot or sunny as South Asia. Dark Skin is an evolutionary by product of being in strong sunlight prone areas such as Africa, South Asia and Central America, this is also why Mediterraneans are much darker than say someone from a Nordic country. These different skin tones were the first sign of differences in Humans,
The second was developing more physical traits that were advantagous for their environment such as larger noses (Incans needed these because of lack of oxygen in their environment), The Epicanthic Fold/Asian eyes (this may have developed because of the extreme wind which is present in Central Asia and didn't change once Humans left these areas) and Human hair colour (White people have very differing hair colours due to isolation and differing environments-fairer hair is a by product of lighter skin due to low UV light)
The last is culture, race walks hand in hand with it, White people all have very similar cultures, East Asians are the same, as do South Asians (Indians being the exception due to influence from the Middle-East and East Asia). In a multi cultural society people do not all follow the same culture, the ruling culture (Western culture in Western countries) provides the baseline that the Government and Main stream media follow and from their all the different races follow their own culture. You will rarely see a Indian family performing stereotypical White cultural events in their own homes and quite often Indians will stick together in their own neighbourhoods, this is the same for Whites, Asians, Africans and Hispanics.
Many here have called me a "Racist" (while claiming Race doesn't exist:roll:) or a White Supremacist so I shall explain the differences between the three branches of White Nationalism:
White Separatism- This involves a area of land that is only to be used for White people, this may or may not involve a whole country. It could mearly be a state, this movement is dedicated to people who only wish to be away from non-Whites and don't care how it comes about. This is the most realistic option available for now.
White Nationalism- This involves White people having a country of their own in which there is no non-White immigration. This would probably involve a country in Europe and would likely result in many deportations.
White Supremicism- This involves the belief that all other races are inferior to Whites and that it is a White persons duty to rule all other races. This may or may not involve Slavery or Genocide.
As you can see it is not just a narrow point of view and there are many differing opinions about how any of these movements could come about.
Many here won't believe what I say but then again I don't really care, if you walk around with rose coloured glasses then the only one who is ignorant is you.
Phoenix6359
"Hell, we can barely get everyone to follow the same laws as is because it might "conflict with someones culture"" Wait I thought you wanted to preserve culture? And now the truth is unavoidable.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]
I know, that is why I am so vocal on the issue. The government is so busy trying to build a "diverse" nation, they can't see the start of some huge problems. Hell, we can barely get everyone to follow the same laws as is because it might "conflict with someones culture". Examples would be Hindu's not having to wear helmet's (turban or whatever it's called) and Muslims getting to carry a ceremonial dagger to school (only a couple of cases). What about Canadian Culture? If things continue as is, we are going to lose everything that was great about this country I love because we have to constantly make allowances for every different group.
Don't agree with you on the whole socialist thing though, I love my free health care. But yeah, it kind of sucks having to pay for immigrants welfare when they came to this country to suck off the system (not saying this is all the cases, but some). The immigration laws are rediculous here. My friends dad came from Nigeria, which was fine, he was a hard working member of society. However, because he moved here, everyone of his family members could to. He brought in his mother, brother and 4 nephews, none of which contribute anything to Canada.Really, we need to drastically cut immigration, and only let people who have skills this country can use immigrate.
redstorm72
My nations culture. Hindu's have India, Muslims have the middle east, etc, and none of these cultures are under threat. I'm primarily concerned with my own culture, I make no attempt to hide that. You can't preserve hundreds of different cultures in one nation, they will conflict with each other as they all try to get recognition. In the end, it will just be one huge melting pot with no consistent culture.
Its not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation. Not all of those places are what those people are looking for in life. You want the cultures separated, for diversity. If these cultures were separated and pure, would you know about them? If you did, what would stop people from your country from adopting parts of the foreign culture? If you didnt know about them, how could you be interested in diversity? You claim to not like having "one culture" but in the end, you advocate it.
This is arrogance and is nothing short of racist. You are a racist, you cannot be separated from that,Atheists_Pwn
While I agree that some of Phoenix's opinions are a tad extreme, he is not a racist. You can't just call everyone with a differing opinion than your's a racist just to invalidate his opinion. This is like when people call Obama a communist because he wants free health care.
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]This is arrogance and is nothing short of racist. You are a racist, you cannot be separated from that,redstorm72
While I agree that some of Phoenix's opinions are a tad extreme, he is not a racist. You can't just call everyone with a differing opinion than your's a racist just to invalidate his opinion. This is like when people call Obama a communist because he wants free health care.
Simply believing that race exists makes you a racist(if this confuses you look at my post to him explaining how one can be racist and still not having any actual races) as far as im concerned. All of his beliefs also coincide with the typical viewpoint of what racism is, and that is the belief that your race is better that is why the separation is ultimately wanted. White nationalism is ONLY one thing. that one thing is racism repackaged, but by unintelligent hicks who arent very convincing.Simply believing that race exists makes you a racist(if this confuses you look at my post to him explaining how one can be racist and still not having any actual races) as far as im concerned. All of his beliefs also coincide with the typical viewpoint of what racism is, and that is the belief that your race is better that is why the separation is ultimately wanted. White nationalism is ONLY one thing. that one thing is racism repackaged, but by unintelligent hicks who arent very convincing.:lol: :lol: :lol: I cant get past this. :lol: You are so wrong, just because you think race exist doesnt make you a racist. Believing people are inferior base on race makes you a racist, believing on race is superior than another makes you a racist. But simply thinking race exists does not. :lol: Since race does not exist, why believe in it if you arent "racist"?[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
While I agree that some of Phoenix's opinions are a tad extreme, he is not a racist. You can't just call everyone with a differing opinion than your's a racist just to invalidate his opinion. This is like when people call Obama a communist because he wants free health care.
MoonMarvel
Its not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation. Not all of those places are what those people are looking for in life. You want the cultures separated, for diversity. If these cultures were separated and pure, would you know about them? If you did, what would stop people from your country from adopting parts of the foreign culture? If you didnt know about them, how could you be interested in diversity? You claim to not like having "one culture" but in the end, you advocate it.Atheists_Pwn
You kind of went off on a tangent there. Cultures need to be separated, geographically, politically or whatever, in order to survive, it is as simple as that. If all cultures are thrown into one area, they will all mishmash together and conflict and there will cease to be anything unique about any of the cultures.
I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference of opinions. I want to keep everyones unique culture and I think that mass immigration will destroy cultures. You don't seem to care about uniqueness of culture and it appears you don't think immigration would harm a culture. Since there isn't really a precedent to look back on, we will just have to agree to disagree.
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
Its not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation. Not all of those places are what those people are looking for in life. You want the cultures separated, for diversity. If these cultures were separated and pure, would you know about them? If you did, what would stop people from your country from adopting parts of the foreign culture? If you didnt know about them, how could you be interested in diversity? You claim to not like having "one culture" but in the end, you advocate it.redstorm72
You kind of went off on a tangent there. Cultures need to be separated, geographically, politically or whatever, in order to survive, it is as simple as that. If all cultures are thrown into one area, they will all mishmash together and conflict and there will cease to be anything unique about any of the cultures.
I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference of opinions. I want to keep everyones unique culture and I think that mass immigration will destroy cultures. You don't seem to care about uniqueness of culture and it appears you don't think immigration would harm a culture. Since there isn't really a precedent to look back on, we will just have to agree to disagree.
I want you to stop avoiding my questions and answer them in an absolute direct manner.
[QUOTE="Phoenix6359"]First paragraph: Lets separate people by hair color then. Because its all the same thing. Africans simply have more melanin than whites do. Second paragraph: no response necessary third: Race does not walk hand in hand with culture, as ive already proven. Really? All similar? Ancient Celtic Ireland was SOOOOOOOOO much like ancient Greece! Early Slavonic culture was similar to pagan Ireland as well! /sarcasm. You will see indian families start to assimilate, and white families assimilate to the new immigrants. Thats how new cultures form. European culture is a mishmash of war lords taking over. So dont act like you actually favor cultural purity (that still makes you a bigot) French culture changed when the Romans took over Gaul. Is this a problem? Probably not. you know, because Romans are considered white. Hispanics in Latin America ALL HAVE EUROPEAN CULTURE. Their culture is mostly derived from Spain! But I bet you're not in favor of having a large portion of them here, even though European culture is "all similar" Race does not exist. However, one can still be racist because in order to be racist you have to first believe that race exists. How you see that as a contradiction is beyond me. All of those examples you have listed are racist. Separatism, Nationalism and Supremacism. All of which require a separation, because one would believe their way is best and deserves no changes. This is arrogance and is nothing short of racist. You are a racist, you cannot be separated from that,Oh noess I was called a racist, unlike most White people I couldn't care less about being called a racist. It is mearly a word that people on the other side of the fence use to discredit someone, it is very much like calling someone a heretic in Medieval Europe except that you can't be killed or jailed for being a racist (yet). As you said modern European culture is based largely off of Roman and Greek culture, now you may say "how is it any different than how culture is changing now?" the thing is that the Celts fought to keep Roman culture out of their lands, they were not standing idly by while the Legions conquered their lands. The thing is though that many Celtic traditions made it through Rome's time to now such as Christmas traditions and Easter traditions. As I said though our cultures are very similar whereas say for example Sharia law can't mix with Western culture as it is too different.Atheists_Pwn
The ironic thing about you saying "in order to be racist you have to first believe that race exists" is incredibly stupid because in order for you to be an anti-racist you must also believe in race. Maybe I shall become a "cultrlist" and stop believing in culture, just because someone doesn't believe in something does not make it true, likewise if someone believes something that doesn't make it true. We are both on opposite sides of the fence and I respect that you strongly believe in your views however don't give people like me labels such as "racist" "White supremacist" or "ignorant" just because my views aren't yours. I could easily call you racist for not putting your own race first (to me that is anti-White, this is assuming your White of course) but I won't because even though I strongly disagree with your views I will not revert to name calling and I hope you will do the same;)
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Simply believing that race exists makes you a racist(if this confuses you look at my post to him explaining how one can be racist and still not having any actual races) as far as im concerned. All of his beliefs also coincide with the typical viewpoint of what racism is, and that is the belief that your race is better that is why the separation is ultimately wanted. White nationalism is ONLY one thing. that one thing is racism repackaged, but by unintelligent hicks who arent very convincing.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I cant get past this. :lol: You are so wrong, just because you think race exist doesnt make you a racist. Believing people are inferior base on race makes you a racist, believing on race is superior than another makes you a racist. But simply thinking race exists does not. :lol: Since race does not exist, why believe in it if you arent "racist"? Better question: if there's no such thing as 'race', then why does the term 'racism' even exist? Or 'racial profiling'? Or 'interracial relationships'?[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
Its not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation. Not all of those places are what those people are looking for in life. You want the cultures separated, for diversity. If these cultures were separated and pure, would you know about them? If you did, what would stop people from your country from adopting parts of the foreign culture? If you didnt know about them, how could you be interested in diversity? You claim to not like having "one culture" but in the end, you advocate it.redstorm72
You kind of went off on a tangent there. Cultures need to be separated, geographically, politically or whatever, in order to survive, it is as simple as that. If all cultures are thrown into one area, they will all mishmash together and conflict and there will cease to be anything unique about any of the cultures.
I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference of opinions. I want to keep everyones unique culture and I think that mass immigration will destroy cultures. You don't seem to care about uniqueness of culture and it appears you don't think immigration would harm a culture. Since there isn't really a precedent to look back on, we will just have to agree to disagree.
there's nothing wrong with preserving culture, but what I'm getting from this thread is that some White Americans fear that they will lose their culture, which is an absurd thing to believe. The only one's who struggle with their cultural identity are the minorities and immigrants in the U.S, since they not only have to accept American culture, but at the same time retain their culture. Now whites have faced this themselves, more specifically early Italian, Irish, and Russian immigrants, and even they struggled to assimilate, so this failure to assimilate is not exclusive to Latino/Hispanic Immigrants....First paragraph: Lets separate people by hair color then. Because its all the same thing. Africans simply have more melanin than whites do. Second paragraph: no response necessary third: Race does not walk hand in hand with culture, as ive already proven. Really? All similar? Ancient Celtic Ireland was SOOOOOOOOO much like ancient Greece! Early Slavonic culture was similar to pagan Ireland as well! /sarcasm. You will see indian families start to assimilate, and white families assimilate to the new immigrants. Thats how new cultures form. European culture is a mishmash of war lords taking over. So dont act like you actually favor cultural purity (that still makes you a bigot) French culture changed when the Romans took over Gaul. Is this a problem? Probably not. you know, because Romans are considered white. Hispanics in Latin America ALL HAVE EUROPEAN CULTURE. Their culture is mostly derived from Spain! But I bet you're not in favor of having a large portion of them here, even though European culture is "all similar" Race does not exist. However, one can still be racist because in order to be racist you have to first believe that race exists. How you see that as a contradiction is beyond me. All of those examples you have listed are racist. Separatism, Nationalism and Supremacism. All of which require a separation, because one would believe their way is best and deserves no changes. This is arrogance and is nothing short of racist. You are a racist, you cannot be separated from that,Oh noess I was called a racist, unlike most White people I couldn't care less about being called a racist. It is mearly a word that people on the other side of the fence use to discredit someone, it is very much like calling someone a heretic in Medieval Europe except that you can't be killed or jailed for being a racist (yet). As you said modern European culture is based largely off of Roman and Greek culture, now you may say "how is it any different than how culture is changing now?" the thing is that the Celts fought to keep Roman culture out of their lands, they were not standing idly by while the Legions conquered their lands. The thing is though that many Celtic traditions made it through Rome's time to now such as Christmas traditions and Easter traditions. As I said though our cultures are very similar whereas say for example Sharia law can't mix with Western culture as it is too different.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Phoenix6359"]
Phoenix6359
The ironic thing about you saying "in order to be racist you have to first believe that race exists" is incredibly stupid because in order for you to be an anti-racist you must also believe in race. Maybe I shall become a "cultrlist" and stop believing in culture, just because someone doesn't believe in something does not make it true, likewise if someone believes something that doesn't make it true. We are both on opposite sides of the fence and I respect that you strongly believe in your views however don't give people like me labels such as "racist" "White supremacist" or "ignorant" just because my views aren't yours. I could easily call you racist for not putting your own race first (to me that is anti-White, this is assuming your White of course) but I won't because even though I strongly disagree with your views I will not revert to name calling and I hope you will do the same;)
"the thing is that the Celts fought to keep Roman culture out of their lands, they were not standing idly by while the Legions conquered their lands." That wasnt the point at all. The point is that if you cared about cultural purity you would want Ireland to be filled with a bunch of pagan soldiers with the druid system still in place. You would want Europe to remove Christianity in its entirety. Any cultural reference to Christianity should be destroyed, if you were to be logically consistent. I dont expect that at all though. The Christmas and Easter traditions are both Germanic. Sharia law is an example of somethign that shouldnt exist. Thats a good reason why cultural meshing is a good idea. "The ironic thing about you saying "in order to be racist you have to first believe that race exists" is incredibly stupid because in order for you to be an anti-racist you must also believe in race." Not even in the slightest. If we had perfect communism, where there were no classes, some people could still be "classists" you know why? By advocating the idea of having classes. So if youre confused about that you might be confused about quite a lot in this world. You definitely are a racist, and a white supremacist, youve clearly demonstrated that. Wanna know why? Because of quotes like this: "I could easily call you racist for not putting your own race first (to me that is anti-White, this is assuming your White of course)" So I have to put my race first? HOW IS THAT NOT RACIST? I suppose if I see two people dying, one a black man and one a white man, before I ever t ry to figure out how to save both people maybe I should just focus on saving the white guy. You know, cuz I need to put my own imaginary race before any other. Screw character, melanin is all the matters! I dont know how not putting my "race" first can make me racist, but you definitely have shown an us vs them attitude. White race not being first = anti white. Great. Go post on stormfront.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Since race does not exist, why believe in it if you arent "racist"?MoonMarvelAre you serious? Is this a legit question or just trolling? And yes race does exist, humans are a race. Racism is the belief of the superiority and or inferiority based on race.
Technically, humans are a species.The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics.
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]:lol: :lol: :lol: I cant get past this. :lol: You are so wrong, just because you think race exist doesnt make you a racist. Believing people are inferior base on race makes you a racist, believing on race is superior than another makes you a racist. But simply thinking race exists does not. :lol:Since race does not exist, why believe in it if you arent "racist"? Better question: if there's no such thing as 'race', then why does the term 'racism' even exist? Or 'racial profiling'? Or 'interracial relationships'? Misconceptions and elitism, thats why.67gt500
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Since race does not exist, why believe in it if you arent "racist"?MoonMarvelAre you serious? Is this a legit question or just trolling? And yes race does exist, humans are a race. Racism is the belief of the superiority and or inferiority based on race.
humans are a species.The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics.
Current genetic studies have demonstrated that humans on the African continent are most genetically diverse.[97] However, compared to the other great apes, human gene sequences are remarkably homogeneous.[98][99][100][101] The predominance of genetic variation occurs within racial groups, with only 5 to 15% of total variation occurring between groups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_race#Race_and_ethnicity
[QUOTE="redstorm72"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
Its not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation. Not all of those places are what those people are looking for in life. You want the cultures separated, for diversity. If these cultures were separated and pure, would you know about them? If you did, what would stop people from your country from adopting parts of the foreign culture? If you didnt know about them, how could you be interested in diversity? You claim to not like having "one culture" but in the end, you advocate it.Atheists_Pwn
You kind of went off on a tangent there. Cultures need to be separated, geographically, politically or whatever, in order to survive, it is as simple as that. If all cultures are thrown into one area, they will all mishmash together and conflict and there will cease to be anything unique about any of the cultures.
I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference of opinions. I want to keep everyones unique culture and I think that mass immigration will destroy cultures. You don't seem to care about uniqueness of culture and it appears you don't think immigration would harm a culture. Since there isn't really a precedent to look back on, we will just have to agree to disagree.
I want you to stop avoiding my questions and answer them in an absolute direct manner.I can't answer your questions. "It's not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation". How am I supposed to respond to that? It may not be "my" nation, but it is the nation that I and many generations of my family call home.
I have already answer'd ad nauseam why I think cultures need to be separated to maintain diversity. As to your statement of how would we know of other cultures, I'm not saying we should completely separate each other, but this policy of mass immigration is just stupid. there would still be immigrants and we could experience their cultures, but the native residents shouldn't be made a minority.
As for "adopting parts of the foreign culture", why would they? Culture is something produced from your upbringing and surroundings, it's not just something you see and immitate.
I'm not really sure where you got that I "advocate one culture". I advocate maintaining cultures. Yes, that may mean that many areas have a dominant culture, but like I've already said, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures.
Anyways, I have responded to each of your points. We are not going to agree, so lets just embrace each others diversity of opinions.
*raises hand for high five of mutual respect*
*waits*
I want you to stop avoiding my questions and answer them in an absolute direct manner.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]
You kind of went off on a tangent there. Cultures need to be separated, geographically, politically or whatever, in order to survive, it is as simple as that. If all cultures are thrown into one area, they will all mishmash together and conflict and there will cease to be anything unique about any of the cultures.
I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference of opinions. I want to keep everyones unique culture and I think that mass immigration will destroy cultures. You don't seem to care about uniqueness of culture and it appears you don't think immigration would harm a culture. Since there isn't really a precedent to look back on, we will just have to agree to disagree.
redstorm72
I can't answer your questions. "It's not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation". How am I supposed to respond to that? It may not be "my" nation, but it is the nation that I and many generations of my family call home.
I have already answer'd ad nauseam why I think cultures need to be separated to maintain diversity. As to your statement of how would we know of other cultures, I'm not saying we should completely separate each other, but this policy of mass immigration is just stupid. there would still be immigrants and we could experience their cultures, but the native residents shouldn't be made a minority.
As for "adopting parts of the foreign culture", why would they? Culture is something produced from your upbringing and surroundings, it's not just something you see and immitate.
I'm not really sure where you got that I "advocate one culture". I advocate maintaining cultures. Yes, that may mean that many areas have a dominant culture, but like I've already said, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures.
Anyways, I have responded to each of your points. We are not going to agree, so lets just embrace each others diversity of opinions.
*raises hand for high five of mutual respect*
*waits*
You want to maintain diversity, while living in a place with only one culture with no diversity. What good is diversity if nobody experiences it? If people experience it, what happens if they adopt it, and at that time you start to see the original cultural start to diminish. Slowly, yes.No, lets not embrace each others opinions. I think your opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all.
[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Are you serious? Is this a legit question or just trolling? And yes race does exist, humans are a race. Racism is the belief of the superiority and or inferiority based on race.Technically, humans are a species.Race can be used and in terms of biology is used. Both are fine. So when you refer to people as races, you mean they are a different species?The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics.MoonMarvel
I want you to stop avoiding my questions and answer them in an absolute direct manner.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]
You kind of went off on a tangent there. Cultures need to be separated, geographically, politically or whatever, in order to survive, it is as simple as that. If all cultures are thrown into one area, they will all mishmash together and conflict and there will cease to be anything unique about any of the cultures.
I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference of opinions. I want to keep everyones unique culture and I think that mass immigration will destroy cultures. You don't seem to care about uniqueness of culture and it appears you don't think immigration would harm a culture. Since there isn't really a precedent to look back on, we will just have to agree to disagree.
redstorm72
I can't answer your questions. "It's not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation". How am I supposed to respond to that? It may not be "my" nation, but it is the nation that I and many generations of my family call home.
I have already answer'd ad nauseam why I think cultures need to be separated to maintain diversity. As to your statement of how would we know of other cultures, I'm not saying we should completely separate each other, but this policy of mass immigration is just stupid. there would still be immigrants and we could experience their cultures, but the native residents shouldn't be made a minority.
As for "adopting parts of the foreign culture", why would they? Culture is something produced from your upbringing and surroundings, it's not just something you see and immitate.
I'm not really sure where you got that I "advocate one culture". I advocate maintaining cultures. Yes, that may mean that many areas have a dominant culture, but like I've already said, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures.
Anyways, I have responded to each of your points. We are not going to agree, so lets just embrace each others diversity of opinions.
*raises hand for high five of mutual respect*
*waits*
Your position ignores how these cultures were created though, in fact how any cultures were created. Your prediction, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures", isn't corroborated by history. Look at New York City for example, one of the undisputed cultural bastions of the world. Not to mention modern mainstream American culture is an infusion of Greek, Roman, Frankish, British, German, French and Spanish cultures from the past. Cultures are not tangibles, they can't be quarantined and seperated. To suddenly ask to put what you perceive as a superior culture on ice, to cut if off from outside influence, is impossible and silly.[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Are you serious? Is this a legit question or just trolling? And yes race does exist, humans are a race. Racism is the belief of the superiority and or inferiority based on race.Technically, humans are a species.Race can be used and in terms of biology is used. Both are fine. Homo sapiens are a species, not a race. A race, even in biology, is a classification of groups that breed within a species or subspecies.The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics.MoonMarvel
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]humans are a species.[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Are you serious? Is this a legit question or just trolling? And yes race does exist, humans are a race. Racism is the belief of the superiority and or inferiority based on race.
The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics.MoonMarvel
Current genetic studies have demonstrated that humans on the African continent are most genetically diverse.[97] However, compared to the other great apes, human gene sequences are remarkably homogeneous.[98][99][100][101] The predominance of genetic variation occurs within racial groups, with only 5 to 15% of total variation occurring between groups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_race#Race_and_ethnicity
I suggest you do more research there buddy. It may help if you even knew what the term race is. In terms of biology and legal terms. Race can be seen as any inbreeding group, which includes humans. Also there are minor differences between humans and since there are facial and physical variations the term race can be used. But I wont go further into this, as I doubt you will listen. Any inbreeding group within a species or subspecies. Species and race are not interchangible terms sir.[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Race can be used and in terms of biology is used. Both are fine.MoonMarvelHomo sapiens are a species, not a race. A race, even in biology, is a classification of groups that breed within a species or subspecies.Sure buddy. Humans are a race. And thats any inbreeding group. You're probably just going to remain stubborn on this, aren't you?
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]humans are a species.[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Are you serious? Is this a legit question or just trolling? And yes race does exist, humans are a race. Racism is the belief of the superiority and or inferiority based on race.
The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics.MoonMarvel
Current genetic studies have demonstrated that humans on the African continent are most genetically diverse.[97] However, compared to the other great apes, human gene sequences are remarkably homogeneous.[98][99][100][101] The predominance of genetic variation occurs within racial groups, with only 5 to 15% of total variation occurring between groups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_race#Race_and_ethnicity
I suggest you do more research there buddy. It may help if you even knew what the term race is. In terms of biology and legal terms. Race can be seen as any inbreeding group, which includes humans. Also there are minor differences between humans and since there are facial and physical variations the term race can be used. But I wont go further into this, as I doubt you will listen. I put very little regard in legal terms. The objectivity of the legal system is pretty laughable. You clearly said in response to "humans are a species": Race can be used and in terms of biology is used. Both are fine. Back peddle if i ever saw one you also ignored the quotes i put in that pretty much destroy the concept of race[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] I want you to stop avoiding my questions and answer them in an absolute direct manner. Atheists_Pwn
I can't answer your questions. "It's not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation". How am I supposed to respond to that? It may not be "my" nation, but it is the nation that I and many generations of my family call home.
I have already answer'd ad nauseam why I think cultures need to be separated to maintain diversity. As to your statement of how would we know of other cultures, I'm not saying we should completely separate each other, but this policy of mass immigration is just stupid. there would still be immigrants and we could experience their cultures, but the native residents shouldn't be made a minority.
As for "adopting parts of the foreign culture", why would they? Culture is something produced from your upbringing and surroundings, it's not just something you see and immitate.
I'm not really sure where you got that I "advocate one culture". I advocate maintaining cultures. Yes, that may mean that many areas have a dominant culture, but like I've already said, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures.
Anyways, I have responded to each of your points. We are not going to agree, so lets just embrace each others diversity of opinions.
*raises hand for high five of mutual respect*
*waits*
You want to maintain diversity, while living in a place with only one culture with no diversity. What good is diversity if nobody experiences it? If people experience it, what happens if they adopt it, and at that time you start to see the original cultural start to diminish. Slowly, yes.No, lets not embrace each others opinions. I think your opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all.
I hear what your saying. In a perfect world all cultures could live together in harmony, but this isn't a perfect world. For example, about a week ago, a bunch of Muslim kids from my friends university beat up and threatened to kill a Jewish kid because he supported Isreal, while they supported Palistine. This is just an example why throwing all the cultures into one place just doesn't work.
Really, I think your just trolling at this point. I've tried to end this argument peacefully twice, but then you spew out "I think opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all".
LOL, WUT!
Dude, what you just said there was an opinion. I don't know, maybe you think the world would be a better place if everyone thought like you, but freedom of thought is a key human trait.
Any inbreeding group within a species or subspecies. Species and race are not interchangible terms sir.Way to twist my words. My comment stands. he didnt twist anything[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]I suggest you do more research there buddy. It may help if you even knew what the term race is. In terms of biology and legal terms. Race can be seen as any inbreeding group, which includes humans. Also there are minor differences between humans and since there are facial and physical variations the term race can be used. But I wont go further into this, as I doubt you will listen.MoonMarvel
You want to maintain diversity, while living in a place with only one culture with no diversity. What good is diversity if nobody experiences it? If people experience it, what happens if they adopt it, and at that time you start to see the original cultural start to diminish. Slowly, yes.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
I can't answer your questions. "It's not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation". How am I supposed to respond to that? It may not be "my" nation, but it is the nation that I and many generations of my family call home.
I have already answer'd ad nauseam why I think cultures need to be separated to maintain diversity. As to your statement of how would we know of other cultures, I'm not saying we should completely separate each other, but this policy of mass immigration is just stupid. there would still be immigrants and we could experience their cultures, but the native residents shouldn't be made a minority.
As for "adopting parts of the foreign culture", why would they? Culture is something produced from your upbringing and surroundings, it's not just something you see and immitate.
I'm not really sure where you got that I "advocate one culture". I advocate maintaining cultures. Yes, that may mean that many areas have a dominant culture, but like I've already said, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures.
Anyways, I have responded to each of your points. We are not going to agree, so lets just embrace each others diversity of opinions.
*raises hand for high five of mutual respect*
*waits*
redstorm72
No, lets not embrace each others opinions. I think your opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all.
I hear what your saying. In a perfect world all cultures could live together in harmony, but this isn't a perfect world. For example, about a week ago, a bunch of Muslim kids from my friends university beat up and threatened to kill a Jewish kid because he supported Isreal, while they supported Palistine. This is just an example why throwing all the cultures into one place just doesn't work.
Really, I think your just trolling at this point. I've tried to end this argument peacefully twice, but then you spew out "I think opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all".
LOL, WUT!
Dude, what you just said there was an opinion. I don't know, maybe you think the world would be a better place if everyone thought like you, but freedom of thought is a key human trait.
I never claimed this world was perfect. I never claimed integration of the cultures would be fast or pretty. I am not trolling. Trolling is not defined as picking apart your logically inconsistent beliefs. Freedom of thought is fine, with that comes freedomof scrutiny. Your beliefs are not consistent, which usually means theres a real belief that you are not showing. Logic is not opinionated. Your beliefs are not logical, as they have holes in them that contradict each otherI put very little regard in legal terms. The objectivity of the legal system is pretty laughable. You clearly said in response to "humans are a species": Race can be used and in terms of biology is used. Both are fine. Back peddle if i ever saw one you also ignored the quotes i put in that pretty much destroy the concept of race Ugh.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]I suggest you do more research there buddy. It may help if you even knew what the term race is. In terms of biology and legal terms. Race can be seen as any inbreeding group, which includes humans. Also there are minor differences between humans and since there are facial and physical variations the term race can be used. But I wont go further into this, as I doubt you will listen.MoonMarvel
1. I didnt backpeddle, you misunderstood.
2. I ignored nothing. I refused to go further due to you not listening, which I was correct in. Also I dont take wikipedia seriously.
I didnt misunderstand, you did. You saw it as interchangable with species asyour ownwords prove, then you posted something that contradicted your original statement. You definitely ignored the quotes i posted. You know why? because you didnt acknowledge them becuase they refuted you.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Way to twist my words. My comment stands.he didnt twist anythingHe did. I could explain but I seriously dont think you care and will think what you want. I am moving on here. Continue with other people if you wish, I have nothing left to say. You never had anything to say in the first place.MoonMarvel
Your position ignores how these cultures were created though, in fact how any cultures were created. Your prediction, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures", isn't corroborated by history. Look at New York City for example, one of the undisputed cultural bastions of the world. Not to mention modern mainstream American culture is an infusion of Greek, Roman, Frankish, British, German, French and Spanish cultures from the past. Cultures are not tangibles, they can't be quarantined and seperated. To suddenly ask to put what you perceive as a superior culture on ice, to cut if off from outside influence, is impossible and silly.Danm_999
Fair point. I am only speaking from what I have seen in my life. Really, I should rephrase my argument. Mixing all the cultures will create a new culture to replace the old one. Really, I'm not so much afraid of my culture changing over generations, as I am tired of the many cultures in my nation trying to impose their beliefs of my culture right now.
You want to maintain diversity, while living in a place with only one culture with no diversity. What good is diversity if nobody experiences it? If people experience it, what happens if they adopt it, and at that time you start to see the original cultural start to diminish. Slowly, yes.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
I can't answer your questions. "It's not your nation at all. Nobody owns a nation". How am I supposed to respond to that? It may not be "my" nation, but it is the nation that I and many generations of my family call home.
I have already answer'd ad nauseam why I think cultures need to be separated to maintain diversity. As to your statement of how would we know of other cultures, I'm not saying we should completely separate each other, but this policy of mass immigration is just stupid. there would still be immigrants and we could experience their cultures, but the native residents shouldn't be made a minority.
As for "adopting parts of the foreign culture", why would they? Culture is something produced from your upbringing and surroundings, it's not just something you see and immitate.
I'm not really sure where you got that I "advocate one culture". I advocate maintaining cultures. Yes, that may mean that many areas have a dominant culture, but like I've already said, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures.
Anyways, I have responded to each of your points. We are not going to agree, so lets just embrace each others diversity of opinions.
*raises hand for high five of mutual respect*
*waits*
redstorm72
No, lets not embrace each others opinions. I think your opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all.
I hear what your saying. In a perfect world all cultures could live together in harmony, but this isn't a perfect world. For example, about a week ago, a bunch of Muslim kids from my friends university beat up and threatened to kill a Jewish kid because he supported Isreal, while they supported Palistine. This is just an example why throwing all the cultures into one place just doesn't work.
Really, I think your just trolling at this point. I've tried to end this argument peacefully twice, but then you spew out "I think opinions are ridiculous and I would like to see them not exist at all".
LOL, WUT!
Dude, what you just said there was an opinion. I don't know, maybe you think the world would be a better place if everyone thought like you, but freedom of thought is a key human trait.
I live in the Bay Area. Cultures seem to mix pretty well here.
[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Your position ignores how these cultures were created though, in fact how any cultures were created. Your prediction, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures", isn't corroborated by history. Look at New York City for example, one of the undisputed cultural bastions of the world. Not to mention modern mainstream American culture is an infusion of Greek, Roman, Frankish, British, German, French and Spanish cultures from the past. Cultures are not tangibles, they can't be quarantined and seperated. To suddenly ask to put what you perceive as a superior culture on ice, to cut if off from outside influence, is impossible and silly.redstorm72
Fair point. I am only speaking from what I have seen in my life. Really, I should rephrase my argument. Mixing all the cultures will create a new culture to replace the old one. Really, I'm not so much afraid of my culture changing over generations, as I am tired of the many cultures in my nation trying to impose their beliefs of my culture right now.
As I'm sure many non-Western cultures around the world feel besieged by the West. I don't think some college kids threatening violence over their political opinions is going to end the world.[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Sure buddy. Humans are a race. And thats any inbreeding group.MoonMarvelYou're probably just going to remain stubborn on this, aren't you?I could ask you the same question. Neither of us are going admit they are wrong which in a way its not possible for either of us to be wrong, so lets just end this right now before it gets outta hand. Probably the most productive solution.
@Atheists_Pwn, I don't ever recall saying I wanted cultural purity, I think Redstorm said something like that. I would save the White person first, does that make me a racist? sure, Do I care? not in the slightest. I never said for all races to put the White race first as that is a form of White Supremacy, I said that if you are White you should put your own race first. There is no point arguing with someone like you, when your not sure what else to say you cry Racist!! If you believe that a White homeland is racist explain why because if you don't care about my race going extinct within 150 years or less then you are in a way advocating Genocide. I already do post on Stormfront regularly, in fact it is opened in a tab right now, so what? does this make me an evil "White Supremacist"? That website is a WHITE NATIONALIST forum, of course there are White Supremacists there, as are there a couple of Neo-Nazis but this is no different from this website. This website politically is predominately Liberal but there are Conservatives, there are Socialist and there are even a couple of Communists (which greatly annoys me as Communists are responsible for more deaths than any other political group in history). Have a look at this website http://whitewatch.wordpress.com/ if this doesn't offend you or at least annoy you then you are a hypocrite (I am too I guess as I just name called:P)
How can you say Sharia law shouldn't exist? It is part of Islamic culture just as much as Christmas is part of White culture. I don't agree with many aspects of it but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Islam has contributed much to the world while under those laws so who the hell are you to say it shouldn't exist?
Of course there is still cla@sism in a Communist country, in a multi cultural country there is racism and even in a White only nation there would still be Ethnic racism as Whites have been anything but united until very recently and even the fact that we are having this conversation is proof of that we still fully aren't. I assume you wish for some Utopia in which everyone sings "kumbaya" and dances around but this isn't going to happen, whether you like it not there will still be racism, cla@sism and religious tensions forever until Humans die out and unless you accept this you will be a victim of it.
[QUOTE="redstorm72"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Your position ignores how these cultures were created though, in fact how any cultures were created. Your prediction, you can't have hundreds of cultures in one area, it just destroys all the cultures", isn't corroborated by history. Look at New York City for example, one of the undisputed cultural bastions of the world. Not to mention modern mainstream American culture is an infusion of Greek, Roman, Frankish, British, German, French and Spanish cultures from the past. Cultures are not tangibles, they can't be quarantined and seperated. To suddenly ask to put what you perceive as a superior culture on ice, to cut if off from outside influence, is impossible and silly.Danm_999
Fair point. I am only speaking from what I have seen in my life. Really, I should rephrase my argument. Mixing all the cultures will create a new culture to replace the old one. Really, I'm not so much afraid of my culture changing over generations, as I am tired of the many cultures in my nation trying to impose their beliefs of my culture right now.
As I'm sure many non-Western cultures around the world feel besieged by the West. I don't think some college kids threatening violence over their political opinions is going to end the world.Yeah, I guess you're right. I tend to go to the extreme in arguments and always see doom and gloom on the horizon. Sometimes I've got to just chill and realize that it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
As I'm sure many non-Western cultures around the world feel besieged by the West. I don't think some college kids threatening violence over their political opinions is going to end the world.[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="redstorm72"]
Fair point. I am only speaking from what I have seen in my life. Really, I should rephrase my argument. Mixing all the cultures will create a new culture to replace the old one. Really, I'm not so much afraid of my culture changing over generations, as I am tired of the many cultures in my nation trying to impose their beliefs of my culture right now.
redstorm72
Yeah, I guess you're right. I tend to go to the extreme in arguments and always see doom and gloom on the horizon. Sometimes I've got to just chill and realize that it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Eh, it's hard not to see the worst in everything sometimes. Most forms of modern media, regardless of what their political agenda is, attempt to jazz everything up in order to sell themselves, boost their ratings, or increase their circulation. Every trend is a revolution, every change an apocolypse, every scandal a """gate, every policy a watershed.[QUOTE="redstorm72"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] As I'm sure many non-Western cultures around the world feel besieged by the West. I don't think some college kids threatening violence over their political opinions is going to end the world.Danm_999
Yeah, I guess you're right. I tend to go to the extreme in arguments and always see doom and gloom on the horizon. Sometimes I've got to just chill and realize that it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Eh, it's hard not to see the worst in everything sometimes. Most forms of modern media, regardless of what their political agenda is, attempt to jazz everything up in order to sell themselves, boost their ratings, or increase their circulation. Every trend is a revolution, every change an apocolypse, every scandal a """gate, every policy a watershed.Are you saying that Obama isn't Communist Hitler :P
[QUOTE="Crimsader"]
OMG! I was thinking about goingto the U.S. Alas I changed my mind now... I'll stay with the whitez.
AFBrat77
I think its time I moved to Sweden ;), or even Canada.
Don't worry, us black people got Sweden on our radar! Enjoy it while you can :twisted:Please Log In to post.
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