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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]What about your own PATRIOT ACT?
jointed
What about it?
I wasn't talking to you...
but anyways, he shouldn't critize the EU for pushing legislations when his own government is doing the same bloody thing...
I can't tell if this is the exact definition of irony or a prime example of doublethink...
[QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]Dicatorship is too strong a word. More of a nanny state or rampart political correctness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state
jointed
have you been to europe before or are you just using random websites to judge it?
No just legislation they try to push coupled with what their actions have been. I.E. Video game censorship. Moral panics ect.
What about your own PATRIOT ACT?
Are you trying to just feel better about yourself or prove something?
You're just talking about crap WE didn't choose. There are a lot of us that FIGHT this stuff tooth and nail. That's why Ron Paul has the greatest chance that any 3rd party candidate has had of winning the presidency in American history.
As if there weren't Europeans fighting the EU. Don't you remember the Gothenburg riots?
Well to be fair there are groups fighting for all sorts of both legitimate and rediculous issues in just about every country.. No country is perfect, and Europe does have some better policies.. Such as lesser drug laws, public health care (imo), as well as other things.. Then of course there have been other ideas such as banning of video games in some countries..
**** the Patriot Act. **** NAFTA, **** NATO.America has loads of problems. We have just as much danger of becoming something bad as Europe does. But today were focusing on Europe because everyone focuses on America. peppersfan2
I've already told you, everyone does NOT focus on America. Americans focus on America.
European media critize the EU and the EU governments ALL THE TIME.
Well, theres not much you can do on your own.
I guess government is something we have to live with.
**** the Patriot Act. **** NAFTA, **** NATO.America has loads of problems. We have just as much danger of becoming something bad as Europe does. But today were focusing on Europe because everyone focuses on America. peppersfan2
Yes becuase an entire continent should be compared to the United States.. The reason why there is so much critisim towards the US is because they are the Super power.. They are suppose to be the shining example.. Make matters worse the government doesn't say otherwise, but instead they bath in this "moral superiority" saying any country they go against as evil.. This is dangerous grounds and I really think the Government needs to be called out for.. The US is just another super power country, it does not have some higher moral values, it still has the drive of every other country out there..
I wasn't talking to you...
but anyways, he shouldn't critize the EU for pushing legislations when his own government is doing the same bloody thing...
jointed
Oh well.....I was talking to you...and I don't see specifics so I'll take it as trying to make a point without any facts.
I've already told you, everyone does NOT focus on America. Americans focus on America.
European media critize the EU and the EU governments ALL THE TIME.
jointed
:shock: *writes world DOESN'T revolve around me in notebook*
[QUOTE="jointed"]I wasn't talking to you...
but anyways, he shouldn't critize the EU for pushing legislations when his own government is doing the same bloody thing...
LJS9502_basic
Oh well.....I was talking to you...and I don't see specifics so I'll take it as trying to make a point without any facts.
Do I really have to prove the patriot act's existance?
Do I really have to prove the patriot act's existance?
jointed
Now why would you do that....it wouldn't answer any question. Did anyone question it's existence?
[QUOTE="jointed"]Do I really have to prove the patriot act's existance?
LJS9502_basic
Now why would you do that....it wouldn't answer any question. Did anyone question it's existence?
"so I'll take it as trying to make a point without any facts."
The point I was making revolved around the patriot act....
(disclaimer I don't mean all of Europe or all Europeans.) Who here is sick of European elitetism? Seriousilly too many of them accuse Americans of many faults but they themselves have problems. I'm sick of being stereotyped as an overwieght gun toting bush supporter who causes war.
They accuse us of being blind to our government but they also hold on to their governments every word. They let the european union take over and now they have a giant nanny state disgusied as social progress. All the cool countrys in europe like Finland and Switzerland are sucumbing to the pressure from the other countrys.
They are heading for a dictatorship. They have so many problems they just look down on us but refuse to examine their own problems. England acuses us of having problems but they have chavs and soccor vandals.
England's government banned movies (video nasties anyone?) Not remeber that huh. Well a decade ago britain censored the **** out of everything. So much for being tolerant to sex. They are so involved in peoples lives in a negative way that soon everything will be so regulated they might not have freedom anymore. Its like if you live in Europe you have to subscribe to a sterotypical politcal mantra. Englandis too poltically correct and Germany bans alot of media.Its like the solution to their problems is to either ignore it or throw useless feel good legislation at it.
peppersfan2
I stopped reading after the "eitetism" and "elitetism", try to spell it first, then, ill give my thoughts about it.
I just don't like Elitists in general, whether they're from The US or Europe or Canada makes no difference.
[QUOTE="peppersfan2"](disclaimer I don't mean all of Europe or all Europeans.) Who here is sick of European elitetism? Seriousilly too many of them accuse Americans of many faults but they themselves have problems. I'm sick of being stereotyped as an overwieght gun toting bush supporter who causes war.
They accuse us of being blind to our government but they also hold on to their governments every word. They let the european union take over and now they have a giant nanny state disgusied as social progress. All the cool countrys in europe like Finland and Switzerland are sucumbing to the pressure from the other countrys.
They are heading for a dictatorship. They have so many problems they just look down on us but refuse to examine their own problems. England acuses us of having problems but they have chavs and soccor vandals.
England's government banned movies (video nasties anyone?) Not remeber that huh. Well a decade ago britain censored the **** out of everything. So much for being tolerant to sex. They are so involved in peoples lives in a negative way that soon everything will be so regulated they might not have freedom anymore. Its like if you live in Europe you have to subscribe to a sterotypical politcal mantra. Englandis too poltically correct and Germany bans alot of media.Its like the solution to their problems is to either ignore it or throw useless feel good legislation at it.
kalossimitar
I stopped reading after the "eitetism" and "elitetism", try to spell it first, then, ill give my thoughts about it.
shouldnt have read your whole entry, but, sadly, I did. From the way you speak, you are American. Just to point it out, I make better use of the English language than you, even if Im not English, nor American. That fact doesnt help your cause at all. If you had the least education you would know the EU is a social and economic zone, and that it has nothing to do with dictatorship. Finally, USA make war to other country, we all know Iran is the next one, Europe is for peace,the Americans are the warmongers.
P.S. Im not European, just no biased as you.
Europe is for peace,the Americans are the warmongers.kalossimitar
Yeah, Europe is for peace when you ignore then entire conflicts in Northern Ireland in the past and the Balkans. Keep believing that. Not to mention many European nations were alligned with the US when going into Afghanistan and Iraq.
nobody is for peace truly, they're in it for self preservation and interests.
Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).Shiggums
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
[QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
Yeah, but you can hate it for the wrong reasons. Hate is a strong word though, dislike is a more appropriate term.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"] Europe is for peace,the Americans are the warmongers.
Donkey_Puncher
Yeah, Europe is for peace when you ignore then entire conflicts in Northern Ireland in the past and the Balkans. Keep believing that. Not to mention many European nations were alligned with the US when going into Afghanistan and Iraq.
nobody is for peace truly, they're in it for self preservation and interests.
theres a difference between a war and a conflict, get your facts straight, Americans are warmongers, Europeans have intern conflicts, theres a big difference.
by many, you mean like 3 or 4? Yeah, really many.....
[QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"] Europe is for peace,the Americans are the warmongers.
kalossimitar
Yeah, Europe is for peace when you ignore then entire conflicts in Northern Ireland in the past and the Balkans. Keep believing that. Not to mention many European nations were alligned with the US when going into Afghanistan and Iraq.
nobody is for peace truly, they're in it for self preservation and interests.
theres a difference between a war and a conflict, get your facts straight, Americans are warmongers, Europeans have intern conflicts, theres a big difference.
by many, you mean like 3 or 4? Yeah, really many.....
So the genocide and wars in in Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia wer just "Conflicts" then. :lol:
That still doesn't take away from the fact that tens of thousands of people were killed and even more displaced.
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).Shiggums
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
theres a difference between a war and a conflict, get your facts straight, Americans are warmongers, Europeans have intern conflicts, theres a big difference.kalossimitar
The history of Europe is one of war, imperialism,and national rivalry. How does that make Europeans less warmongering than Americans?
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"]theres a difference between a war and a conflict, get your facts straight, Americans are warmongers, Europeans have intern conflicts, theres a big difference.morewasabi
The history of Europe is one of war, imperialism,and national rivalry. How does that make Europeans less warmongering than Americans?
it's getting a little off topic. The idea is that Americans are stereotyped as being a**holes. for reasons that are beyond me.
[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour. chrisrooR
What if some were warranted?
The last conflict the US was involved in before Iraq and Afghanistan was the Balkans, trying to stop a genocide by the serbians.
Before that the US stopped Iraq from raiding and pillaging Kuwait. It's easy to make such comments when you don't look into it.
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).Shiggums
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour. Donkey_Puncher
What if some were warranted?
The last conflict the US was involved in before Iraq and Afghanistan was the Balkans, trying to stop a genocide by the serbians.
Before that the US stopped Iraq from raiding and pillaging Kuwait. It's easy to make such comments when you don't look into it.
the idea is that the U.S. has the image of helping people whether or not they like it. It's a stereotype that has been generated by the rest of the world over the last hundred years.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"] Europe is for peace,the Americans are the warmongers.
Donkey_Puncher
Yeah, Europe is for peace when you ignore then entire conflicts in Northern Ireland in the past and the Balkans. Keep believing that. Not to mention many European nations were alligned with the US when going into Afghanistan and Iraq.
nobody is for peace truly, they're in it for self preservation and interests.
theres a difference between a war and a conflict, get your facts straight, Americans are warmongers, Europeans have intern conflicts, theres a big difference.
by many, you mean like 3 or 4? Yeah, really many.....
So the genocide and wars in in Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia wer just "Conflicts" then. :lol:
That still doesn't take away from the fact that tens of thousands of people were killed and even more displaced.
didnt say conflicts were casual, but yes, those are conflicts, not wars, check your definition of what a war is.
Also, sorry to disappoint you, but, there was only 3 genocides recognized as such by those who invented the term, the UN. You named one, the others werent genocides.
So in Iraq, there wasnt tens of thousands of people killed??? LOL. Check the stats.
the idea is that the U.S. has the image of helping people whether or not they like it. It's a stereotype that has been generated by the rest of the world over the last hundred years. chrisrooR
Uh, I'm pretty sure the Bosnians and Kuwaitis were pretty happy the US and some other countries intervened.
[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour. chrisrooR
What if some were warranted?
The last conflict the US was involved in before Iraq and Afghanistan was the Balkans, trying to stop a genocide by the serbians.
Before that the US stopped Iraq from raiding and pillaging Kuwait. It's easy to make such comments when you don't look into it.
the idea is that the U.S. has the image ofinterfering inpeople's countrieswhether or not they like it. It's a stereotype that has been generated by the rest of the world over the last hundred years.
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didnt say conflicts were casual, but yes, those are conflicts, not wars, check your definition of what a war is.
Also, sorry to disappoint you, but, there was only 3 genocides recognized as such by those who invented the term, the UN. You named one, the others werent genocides.
So in Iraq, there wasnt tens of thousands of people killed??? LOL. Check the stats.
kalossimitar
Nice try. It still doesn't make a dent on the fact that Europe has had "Conflicts" with in it's own borders with in the last decade. Such a "Peaceful" place I guess, too bad for the tens of thousands that were murdered and hundreds of thousands displaced.
These "Conflicts" are wars by another name. These weren't mild skirmishs taking place sporadically, these were military campaigns aimed at people by a government.
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
the idea is that the U.S. has the image of helping people whether or not they like it. It's a stereotype that has been generated by the rest of the world over the last hundred years. Donkey_Puncher
Uh, I'm pretty sure the Bosnians and Kuwaitis were pretty happy the US and some other countries intervened.
I'm not being absolute, yes, the U.S. has had many just wars they helped in. Hell, if you guys hadn't stepped in WWII, we would probably all be hailing to nazis right now.
All i'm saying is that generally speaking, the american population is stereotyped as gun-loving, right-wing rednecks. It's just as we all see the french as a bunch of pansies. Not to mention what image George Bush has cast for you guys. :?
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour. kalossimitar
What if some were warranted?
The last conflict the US was involved in before Iraq and Afghanistan was the Balkans, trying to stop a genocide by the serbians.
Before that the US stopped Iraq from raiding and pillaging Kuwait. It's easy to make such comments when you don't look into it.
the idea is that the U.S. has the image ofinterfering inpeople's countrieswhether or not they like it. It's a stereotype that has been generated by the rest of the world over the last hundred years.
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please don't fix my post. I meant what i said. Generally speaking, the U.S. is known for taking advantage of war-torn countries', not interferring with countries. Without the U.S. the global market would be a flop... :|
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).Shiggums
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
I'm not being absolute, yes, the U.S. has had many just wars they helped in. Hell, if you guys hadn't stepped in WWII, we would probably all be hailing to nazis right now.
All i'm saying is that generally speaking, the american population is stereotyped as gun-loving, right-wing rednecks. It's just as we all see the french as a bunch of pansies. Not to mention what image George Bush has cast for you guys. :?
chrisrooR
That's the problem, people fail to realize that more people voted AGAINST bush in the first election than for him. The Second time around 49 percent voted AGAINST him. It's a split place, very split because of him.
People look at every war the US has been in and conclude it was bad, when the good far outweigh the messups like Iraq.
[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).kalossimitar
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Actually, no. It is a stereotype until if becomes absolute. You are saying, basically, that it is a fact that every American Citizen is a warmongerer. How do you explain the protesters then? aren't they warmongering? What about the organizations against Nuclear weapons?
Don't generalize. Please think of what you say before you say it.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"]
didnt say conflicts were casual, but yes, those are conflicts, not wars, check your definition of what a war is.
Also, sorry to disappoint you, but, there was only 3 genocides recognized as such by those who invented the term, the UN. You named one, the others werent genocides.
So in Iraq, there wasnt tens of thousands of people killed??? LOL. Check the stats.
Donkey_Puncher
Nice try. It still doesn't make a dent on the fact that Europe has had "Conflicts" with in it's own borders with in the last decade. Such a "Peaceful" place I guess, too bad for the tens of thousands that were murdered and hundreds of thousands displaced.
These "Conflicts" are wars by another name. These weren't mild skirmishs taking place sporadically, these were military campaigns aimed at people by a government.
Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
kalossimitar
You're arguing semantics, tens of thousands were killed and even more displaced. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD. I'm glad you prefer a country selectively killing it's own inhabitants over an outsider, it really makes sense now. I'm glad you've straigtened it out that you only have the right to kill people if they're YOUR OWN PEOPLE.:|
In the last two decades the US has been in Iraq, the Balkans, Afghanistan and then Iraq again. (Major operations).
The first three are legit, the second Iraq war is not. So again how has the US been war mongering the world since then?
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Actually, no. It is a stereotype until if becomes absolute. You are saying, basically, that it is a fact that every American Citizen is a warmongerer. How do you explain the protesters then? aren't they warmongering? What about the organizations against Nuclear weapons?
Don't generalize. Please think of what you say before you say it.
their country is a warmonger one because the country is ruled by a warmonger government. The warmonger government was democratically elected by the people. Thus, people voted for a warmonger government. Who would vote for a warmonger government? Warmonger people.
You speak like you would need every American to have voted for that government to be able to call them warmongers. Decisions made, like at election times, are made on the base of the majority. Thats what gives, for example, the government its legitimacy. If youre saying Americans arent warmongers because not ALL of them really are, then, I will say to you that only dictatorships' governmentsare legitim, because they get 100% of the votes for them.
The majority gives the legitimacy. Thus, Americans are warmongers because more than half of them proved they are, in a democratic way.
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Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
Donkey_Puncher
You're arguing semantics, tens of thousands were killed and even more displaced. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD. I'm glad you prefer a country selectively killing it's own inhabitants over an outsider, it really makes sense now. I'm glad you've straigtened it out that you only have the right to kill people if they're YOUR OWN PEOPLE.:|
In the last two decades the US has been in Iraq, the Balkans, Afghanistan and then Iraq again. (Major operations).
The first three are legit, the second Iraq war is not. So again how has the US been war mongering the world since then?
don't bother, he doesn't understand what a stereotype is. I've proved him wrong earlier, it's possible to do it again. This is an example of a European that has a stereotype against all U.S. citizens knocked into his head. :|
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"]
Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
Donkey_Puncher
You're arguing semantics, tens of thousands were killed and even more displaced. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD. I'm glad you prefer a country selectively killing it's own inhabitants over an outsider, it really makes sense now. I'm glad you've straigtened it out that you only have the right to kill people if they're YOUR OWN PEOPLE.:|
In the last two decades the US has been in Iraq, the Balkans, Afghanistan and then Iraq again. (Major operations).
The first three are legit, the second Iraq war is not. So again how has the US been war mongering the world since then?
Ethnic cleansing of own people ftw?
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).kalossimitar
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Actually, no. It is a stereotype until if becomes absolute. You are saying, basically, that it is a fact that every American Citizen is a warmongerer. How do you explain the protesters then? aren't they warmongering? What about the organizations against Nuclear weapons?
Don't generalize. Please think of what you say before you say it.
their country is a warmonger one because the country is ruled by a warmonger government. The warmonger government was democratically elected by the people. Thus, people voted for a warmonger government. Who would vote for a warmonger government? Warmonger people.
You speak like you would need every American to have voted for that government to be able to call them warmongers. Decisions made, like at election times, are made on the base of the majority. Thats what gives, for example, the government its legitimacy. If youre saying Americans arent warmongers because not ALL of them really are, then, I will say to you that only dictatorships' governmentsare legitim, because they get 100% of the votes for them.
The majority gives the legitimacy. Thus, Americans are warmongers because more than half of them proved they are, in a democratic way.
say 20 % of people admit to being warmongering rednecks. 20% =/= 100 %. your logic is flawed. Just because there is a minority of people that think that way, doesn't mean the majority have to fall under the minorities beliefs.
If 51% of spain likes purple hats, and a government gets voted in that likes purple hats, it doesn't mean everyone likes purple hats.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"]
Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
Donkey_Puncher
You're arguing semantics, tens of thousands were killed and even more displaced. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD. I'm glad you prefer a country selectively killing it's own inhabitants over an outsider, it really makes sense now. I'm glad you've straigtened it out that you only have the right to kill people if they're YOUR OWN PEOPLE.:|
In the last two decades the US has been in Iraq, the Balkans, Afghanistan and then Iraq again. (Major operations).
The first three are legit, the second Iraq war is not. So again how has the US been war mongering the world since then?
displaced bla bla bla, displaced bla bla bla. Its like the 4 time you use that term. Just to make its simple, I would prefer to lose my home, my country and live in atroceous conditionsthan simply cease to exist. And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis.
Yes, it does make sense, because if it was the opposite, there wouldnt be live on Earth anymore, just an example, nuclear weapons, a country wont use nuclear on its own territory to suppress an uprising. A country will use it though against another one. If it was the contrary (countries making only war to each others) we would have ceased to exist during the Cold war, or even before.
Also, who are you to contradict the very principle that is at the base of international security, peace???? Maybe world peace is an utopia, but the UN works to make it a fact, and they do a pretty good job at it. Idf it wasnt for the principles of sovereignty and the non-use of force in international relations, there would be a hell lot of casualties, liek I said, we wouldnt exist anymore at all. Those principles that everyone tries to respect is what makes countries work with each other.
If 51% of spain likes purple hats, and a government gets voted in that likes purple hats, it doesn't mean everyone likes purple hats. chrisrooR
Dude, EVERYONE likes purple hats.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Actually, no. It is a stereotype until if becomes absolute. You are saying, basically, that it is a fact that every American Citizen is a warmongerer. How do you explain the protesters then? aren't they warmongering? What about the organizations against Nuclear weapons?
Don't generalize. Please think of what you say before you say it.
their country is a warmonger one because the country is ruled by a warmonger government. The warmonger government was democratically elected by the people. Thus, people voted for a warmonger government. Who would vote for a warmonger government? Warmonger people.
You speak like you would need every American to have voted for that government to be able to call them warmongers. Decisions made, like at election times, are made on the base of the majority. Thats what gives, for example, the government its legitimacy. If youre saying Americans arent warmongers because not ALL of them really are, then, I will say to you that only dictatorships' governmentsare legitim, because they get 100% of the votes for them.
The majority gives the legitimacy. Thus, Americans are warmongers because more than half of them proved they are, in a democratic way.
say 20 % of people admit to being warmongering rednecks. 20% =/= 100 %. your logic is flawed. Just because there is a minority of people that think that way, doesn't mean the majority have to fall under the minorities beliefs.
If 51% of spain likes purple hats, and a government gets voted in that likes purple hats, it doesn't mean everyone likes purple hats.
I know, thats why I talked about majority=50%+1, so no, its not flawed.
No, that wouldnt mean that everyone likes purple hats, only that Spanish people, Spain, likes purple hats.
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