[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]Europe has a violent history itself. More so really.chrisrooR
obviously, Europe has been around substantially longer than the U.S. :|
Which proves a European shouldn't use that argument.:roll:
Who Here Is Sick Of European Eitetism!?
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
If 51% of spain likes purple hats, and a government gets voted in that likes purple hats, it doesn't mean everyone likes purple hats. Donkey_Puncher
Dude, EVERYONE likes purple hats.
yeah, it gives a cool pimpish look
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
don't bother, he doesn't understand what a stereotype is. I've proved him wrong earlier, it's possible to do it again. This is an example of a European that has a stereotype against all U.S. citizens knocked into his head. :| Donkey_Puncher
I have a hard time believing he's even European. I guess there really is a nationality called "Stupid".
I love how people when short on argumentation use personnal insults.
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]Europe has a violent history itself. More so really.Godly_Cure
obviously, Europe has been around substantially longer than the U.S. :|
Which proves a European shouldn't use that argument.:roll:
Nice try, i'm Canadian. But thanks anyways.
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
If 51% of spain likes purple hats, and a government gets voted in that likes purple hats, it doesn't mean everyone likes purple hats. chrisrooR
Dude, EVERYONE likes purple hats.
:P (you do understand my metaphor though, right?)
Soundly
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
don't bother, he doesn't understand what a stereotype is. I've proved him wrong earlier, it's possible to do it again. This is an example of a European that has a stereotype against all U.S. citizens knocked into his head. :| kalossimitar
I have a hard time believing he's even European. I guess there really is a nationality called "Stupid".
I love how people when short on argumentation use personnal insults.
please respond to the 2-3 posts i made earlier directed at you.
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]
don't bother, he doesn't understand what a stereotype is. I've proved him wrong earlier, it's possible to do it again. This is an example of a European that has a stereotype against all U.S. citizens knocked into his head. :| kalossimitar
I have a hard time believing he's even European. I guess there really is a nationality called "Stupid".
I love how people when short on argumentation use personnal insults.
Pot calling the kettle black?
Nice try, i'm Canadian. But thanks anyways.
chrisrooR
Where did I say you were European.:|
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][ And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis
Donkey_Puncher
I lost you right here. Yes, American soldiers are dressing up as Iraqis and killing innocents on purpose. :|
God forbid that the Iraqis and other Muslims are killing each other over there.
I'm sorry you come from such a bad place, really I am. Oh wait that's right you have access to a PC and the internet and have the leisure time to talk about videogames that you play. Go meet someone from a REAL wartorn nation you arrogant pr*ck, then come back and talk.
Cant you godamn read English???? Seriously, way to go to try to make fun of me when my sentence was ok. American soldiers and Iraqis are getting killed. YOU KNOW its what was written, so stop acting like that.
your soldiers as Iraqis are. Is it better now, mister I dont have arguments so Imake fun of other people????
[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).kalossimitar
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Yes and no. You forget, there are people who don't/can't vote. There are also things like electoral colleges and it's different from the popular vote. Al Gore won based on total votes for him (the popular vote) but George Bush won because he got more "points" via the more important "scoring" system in elections: The Electoral Colleges (which, in case you don't know, is where each state is at a set amt of "points" based on population, and the most popular candidate in that state's polls wins the points. Al Gore, overall, had more votes in the country, but George Bush won in the states worth more points, so he got more points than Gore and therefore won). That's just one example, there have been a few previous elections that turned out the same way (not sure exactly which ones though :?)
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][ And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis
kalossimitar
I lost you right here. Yes, American soldiers are dressing up as Iraqis and killing innocents on purpose. :|
God forbid that the Iraqis and other Muslims are killing each other over there.
I'm sorry you come from such a bad place, really I am. Oh wait that's right you have access to a PC and the internet and have the leisure time to talk about videogames that you play. Go meet someone from a REAL wartorn nation you arrogant pr*ck, then come back and talk.
Cant you godamn read English???? Seriously, way to go to try to make fun of me when my sentence was ok. American soldiers and Iraqis are getting killed. YOU KNOW its what was written, so stop acting like that.
your soldiers as Iraqis are. Is it better now, mister I dont have arguments so make fun of other people????
excuse me, but could you stop swearing and posting the obvious. Americans are well aware that the war was wrong. Actually, i suppose i will post some facts for the first time in this argument.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Right now, the president's approval rating barely scratches 30 percent. So, i'm sorry, but your point on how "the government proves that the whole country is warmongering" is completely false.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).Shiggums
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Yes and no. You forget, there are people who don't/can't vote. There are also things like electoral colleges and it's different from the popular vote. Al Gore won based on total votes for him (the popular vote) but George Bush won because he got more "points" via the more important "scoring" system in elections: The Electoral Colleges (which, in case you don't know, is where each state is at a set amt of "points" based on population, and the most popular candidate in that state's polls wins the points. Al Gore, overall, had more votes in the country, but George Bush won in the states worth more points, so he got more points than Gore and therefore won). That's just one example, there have been a few previous elections that turned out the same way (not sure exactly which ones though :?)
Such people dont really exist. A popular believe is that even when you are not making a decision, you are making one anyway. For example, not voting for or against a war is like voting for it.
The principle is there. Now, though, it depends on the type of balloting used in a country.
[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).kalossimitar
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Yes and no. You forget, there are people who don't/can't vote. There are also things like electoral colleges and it's different from the popular vote. Al Gore won based on total votes for him (the popular vote) but George Bush won because he got more "points" via the more important "scoring" system in elections: The Electoral Colleges (which, in case you don't know, is where each state is at a set amt of "points" based on population, and the most popular candidate in that state's polls wins the points. Al Gore, overall, had more votes in the country, but George Bush won in the states worth more points, so he got more points than Gore and therefore won). That's just one example, there have been a few previous elections that turned out the same way (not sure exactly which ones though :?)
Such people dont really exist. A popular believe is that even when you are not making a decision, you are making one anyway. For example, not voting for or against a war is like voting for it.
The principle is there. Now, though, it depends on the type of balloting used in a country.
:lol: you honestly think that every person who can vote, votes? wow. :|
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][ And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis
chrisrooR
I lost you right here. Yes, American soldiers are dressing up as Iraqis and killing innocents on purpose. :|
God forbid that the Iraqis and other Muslims are killing each other over there.
I'm sorry you come from such a bad place, really I am. Oh wait that's right you have access to a PC and the internet and have the leisure time to talk about videogames that you play. Go meet someone from a REAL wartorn nation you arrogant pr*ck, then come back and talk.
Cant you godamn read English???? Seriously, way to go to try to make fun of me when my sentence was ok. American soldiers and Iraqis are getting killed. YOU KNOW its what was written, so stop acting like that.
your soldiers as Iraqis are. Is it better now, mister I dont have arguments so make fun of other people????
excuse me, but could you stop swearing and posting the obvious. Americans are well aware that the war was wrong. Actually, i suppose i will post some facts for the first time in this argument.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Right now, the president's approval rating barely scratches 30 percent. So, i'm sorry, but your point on how "the government proves that the whole country is warmongering" is completely false.
I don't mean to butt in, but those surveys are all wrong. When these surveys are done, they just take a small portion of the populace (usually in one city) and ask them, and use percentages to show the results, as though the (idk what actual # of people are surveyed) 1000 survey-takers speak for the 300,000,000 Americans. Thing is, his support rating might be smaller, might be bigger. Only way to know for sure would be to survey every American that can comprehend government/politics. Then it would be accurate. But then again, it is possible that his approval rating is at 30%, but we can't be fully sure. That's all.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][ And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis
chrisrooR
I lost you right here. Yes, American soldiers are dressing up as Iraqis and killing innocents on purpose. :|
God forbid that the Iraqis and other Muslims are killing each other over there.
I'm sorry you come from such a bad place, really I am. Oh wait that's right you have access to a PC and the internet and have the leisure time to talk about videogames that you play. Go meet someone from a REAL wartorn nation you arrogant pr*ck, then come back and talk.
Cant you godamn read English???? Seriously, way to go to try to make fun of me when my sentence was ok. American soldiers and Iraqis are getting killed. YOU KNOW its what was written, so stop acting like that.
your soldiers as Iraqis are. Is it better now, mister I dont have arguments so make fun of other people????
excuse me, but could you stop swearing and posting the obvious. Americans are well aware that the war was wrong. Actually, i suppose i will post some facts for the first time in this argument.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Right now, the president's approval rating barely scratches 30 percent. So, i'm sorry, but your point on how "the government proves that the whole country is warmongering" is completely false.
chris, I respect your opinion, and I would like you to do the same. I find it quite shady that you ask me to stop swearing when I said "godamn" which isnt even a censored word on gamespot, but that, in the post before, Ive been called an "arrogant prick by a guy who shares the same opinions as you on the subject.
Maybe, after that, itll be my pleasure to discuss with you.
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).chrisrooR
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Yes and no. You forget, there are people who don't/can't vote. There are also things like electoral colleges and it's different from the popular vote. Al Gore won based on total votes for him (the popular vote) but George Bush won because he got more "points" via the more important "scoring" system in elections: The Electoral Colleges (which, in case you don't know, is where each state is at a set amt of "points" based on population, and the most popular candidate in that state's polls wins the points. Al Gore, overall, had more votes in the country, but George Bush won in the states worth more points, so he got more points than Gore and therefore won). That's just one example, there have been a few previous elections that turned out the same way (not sure exactly which ones though :?)
Such people dont really exist. A popular believe is that even when you are not making a decision, you are making one anyway. For example, not voting for or against a war is like voting for it.
The principle is there. Now, though, it depends on the type of balloting used in a country.
:lol: you honestly think that every person who can vote, votes? wow. :|
........you dont understand the subtleties of English, do you? Again, as with the other guy, it was well-written and clear.What I meant is that even when you dont vote, in reality, you still make a choice that will have the same repercussion as if you had voted. So, you cant do such a thing as not vote, because not voting is some kind of vote.
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]Not just Europeans. All the world, haters of America are everywhere. Every country thinks they are the best, it's just expected. If they didn't, then they'd fail as a country. It's all about patriotism (not just America, but for every country).kalossimitar
you don't hate something for nothing. :|
I'm sure people have their reasons, but a lot (not all) of it is based on stereotypes and misinformation. Mostly misinformation in the US. Plus, I think it's become something of a fad nowadays to be anti-American. It's just one big bandwagon, and so many people are hitchin' a ride.
When the U.S. invades, bombs, or starts a conflict with a country every 10 years, it's hard to not stereotype against the warmogering behaviour.
I will admit, America doesn't have the best track record in terms of peace, but it should be made clear that not all Americans are a certain way. We aren't ALL warmongers. Some are all about peace, some are all about war, and others (like me) are all about not giving a damn either way. I just wanna live my life. Simple as that...or is it? idk.
but that's the defining point of stereotyping, aint it :P
True, but after a certain amount of stereotyping has gone on, people start to lose sight of the line between reality and stereotypes. Pretty soon, people will actually think that the US is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, and then what? Well, idk, but I'm sure it wouldn't be good :P
what you seem to not understand is that your government is the legitim institution that has the power and was elected, in a democratic way, by the people of the said country. If your government is always making war, then it means your people are warmongers, because they elected a pro-war government and didnt do anything to stop the said war. If you dont like being called warmongers, then, next time either form your own party or vote for the least worst one, or, at least, just vote.
By that principle, it isnt stereotype anymore.
Yes and no. You forget, there are people who don't/can't vote. There are also things like electoral colleges and it's different from the popular vote. Al Gore won based on total votes for him (the popular vote) but George Bush won because he got more "points" via the more important "scoring" system in elections: The Electoral Colleges (which, in case you don't know, is where each state is at a set amt of "points" based on population, and the most popular candidate in that state's polls wins the points. Al Gore, overall, had more votes in the country, but George Bush won in the states worth more points, so he got more points than Gore and therefore won). That's just one example, there have been a few previous elections that turned out the same way (not sure exactly which ones though :?)
Such people dont really exist. A popular believe is that even when you are not making a decision, you are making one anyway. For example, not voting for or against a war is like voting for it.
The principle is there. Now, though, it depends on the type of balloting used in a country.
:lol: you honestly think that every person who can vote, votes? wow. :|
........you dont understand the subtleties of English, do you? Again, as with the other guy, it was well-written and clear.What I meant is that even when you dont vote, in reality, you still make a choice that will have the same repercussion as if you had voted. So, you cant do such a thing as not vote, because not voting is some kind of vote.
many of the people who don't vote also don't realize what it means. It's encouraged, but not everyone can do it.
Europe is made up of a large number of countries (48 i believe) all with different languages, dialects, cultures, religions, laws and moral beliefs. The EU is designed to overcome the problems that arise from this situation by having its member states all agree to certain laws and rules to make trading and various political, social and global agreements easier to maintain and organise. What you call the EU threatening other countries into joining is infact pressuring and basically nagging them to join so we have a more united and easier continent to live in. You'd be surprised how many European countries not in the EU presently have requested or begged to join and it isn't easy to join either, infact i think it takes something like 2 or 3 years to finally join providing a country meets targets set out for it by the EU member states.
As to why there is an elitist attitude from Europe over the USA this could be down to the fact that G.W.Bush has on many occasions offended many European countries and leaders and in the process committed political suicide. When he oh so famously said "those who are not with us, are against us" when he was on about the war on terror he branded a number of countries who didn't agree with him as traitors and cowards. The war in Iraq is also unpopular in Europe and the USA's recent threats towards Iran has also annoyed a number of political people within Europe.
However another reason that Europeans may feel superior towards Americans is the fact that many European countries are making large steps to stop global warming by using alternative fuel source and cutting down carbon emissions. The USA on the other hand has done next to nothing about global warming and has refused time and time again to make any cutbacks on their carbon emissions. This lack of willingness to help when the USA is the largest polluter in the world does nothing to help the USA's global image to people around the world.
Concerning why many people in Europe think of Americans as the stereotypical fat slobbish rednecks who sleep with a gun under their pillow this might be down to the fact thats the image protrayed about them in the media. Whenever a news story hits the internet about some morbidly obese man or woman being lifted out their house by a forklift its usually an American. When you hear about some pupil walking into his school and shooting his classmates its usually an American. The reason people think Americans are dumb and stupid is probably down to the fact your President is an utter moron who not only says some stupid stuff he does some stupid things. Government leaders are a symbol for their people so can you blame us Europeans for falling into thinking all Americans fit the stereotypes when so many of the news articles about the USA fit these stereotypes perfectly?
And to address the TC's claims about England first i'd like to point out that England isnt the only country in the UK infact Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the other 3 countries that make up Great Britain. Now as for chavs and football hooligans i'd say thats no different or worse to having the KKK and many gang cultures that exist in the USA. And when it comes to censorship in the UK we are infact very very liberal with our media (EU version of the Witcher anyone???) compared to the USA. As for being too politically correct i'd say that it isn't just Europe but the rest of the world as well thats taken political correctness to an insanely stupid level. So much so that we can't see sattire or sarcasm for what it is and instead take offense at everything and miss the humour intended by such comments.
However i would like to point out that while Americans and their government has faults i don't like to judge them all by stereotypes or judge them at all. My own country, Scotland, isn't perfect and no country is anywhere near perfect. You just have to ignore the stereotypes, media labelling and political crap and see people for who they are. Personally i happen to like and get along with many Americans and Europeans and for all the crap that goes on in the world i still talk and play games with them. Games have this amazing ability to let people from around the world all sit down and enjoy something together online and put prejudices, discriminations and stereotypes aside. I think video games could bring around world peace myself, imagine if G.W.Bush, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had all sat down to play a game of CSS to solve their problems. Then we wouldn't have had to actually gone through 9/11, the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.
Viva la videogames revolution!
EDIT - Changed the ending of the post as the original made me sound like i was having a right dig at the USA which was never the intention of my post. I was aiming to just counter the claims made by the TC.
Europe is made up of a large number of countries (48 i believe) all with different languages, dialects, cultures, religions, laws and moral beliefs. The EU is designed to overcome the problems that arise from this situation by having its member states all agree to certain laws and rules to make trading and various political, social and global agreements easier to maintain and organise. What you call the EU threatening other countries into joining is infact pressuring and basically nagging them to join so we have a more united and easier continent to live in. You'd be surprised how many European countries not in the EU presently have requested or begged to join and it isn't easy to join either, infact i think it takes something like 2 or 3 years to finally join providing a country meets targets set out for it by the EU member states.
As to why there is an elitist attitude from Europe over the USA this could be down to the fact that G.W.Bush has on many occasions offended many European countries and leaders and in the process committed political suicide. When he oh so famously said "those who are not with us, are against us" when he was on about the war on terror he branded a number of countries who didn't agree with him as traitors and cowards. The war in Iraq is also unpopular in Europe and the USA's recent threats towards Iran has also annoyed a number of political people within Europe.
However another reason that Europeans may feel superior towards Americans is the fact that many European countries are making large steps to stop global warming by using alternative fuel source and cutting down carbon emissions. The USA on the other hand has done next to nothing about global warming and has refused time and time again to make any cutbacks on their carbon emissions. This lack of willingness to help when the USA is the largest polluter in the world does nothing to help the USA's global image to people around the world.
Concerning why many people in Europe think of Americans as the stereotypical fat slobbish rednecks who sleep with a gun under their pillow this might be down to the fact thats the image protrayed about them in the media. Whenever a news story hits the internet about some morbidly obese man or woman being lifted out their house by a forklift its usually an American. When you hear about some pupil walking into his school and shooting his classmates its usually an American. The reason people think Americans are dumb and stupid is probably down to the fact your President is an utter moron who not only says some stupid stuff he does some stupid things. Government leaders are a symbol for their people so can you blame us Europeans for falling into thinking all Americans fit the stereotypes when so many of the news articles about the USA fit these stereotypes perfectly?
And to address the TC's claims about England first i'd like to point out that England isnt the only country in the UK infact Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the other 3 countries that make up Great Britain. Now as for chavs and football hooligans i'd say thats no different or worse to having the KKK and many gang cultures that exist in the USA. And when it comes to censorship in the UK we are infact very very liberal with our media (EU version of the Witcher anyone???) compared to the USA. As for being too politically correct i'd say that it isn't just Europe but the rest of the world as well thats taken political correctness to an insanely stupid level. So much so that we can't see sattire or sarcasm for what it is and instead take offense at everything and miss the humour intended by such comments.
And incase your wondering i am European, i'm from Scotland :)
1005
*claps claps claps* no sarcasm here, Im serious, good text
And to address the TC's claims about England first i'd like to point out that England isnt the only country in the UK infact Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the other 3 countries that make up Great Britain. Now as for chavs and football hooligans i'd say thats no different or worse to having the KKK and many gang cultures that exist in the USA. And when it comes to censorship in the UK we are infact very very liberal with our media (EU version of the Witcher anyone???) compared to the USA. As for being too politically correct i'd say that it isn't just Europe but the rest of the world as well thats taken political correctness to an insanely stupid level. So much so that we can't see sattire or sarcasm for what it is and instead take offense at everything and miss the humour intended by such comments.
1005
Yes! I agree wholly with that! The US is full of/run by a bunch of people who aren't open minded enough, and still think in the same fashion as the "older crowd" during the 60's. I often see the resemblance of those who were a part of the movement in the 60's are now acting as stubbornly and closed-minded as the generation they had been so against all those years ago. Hypocrisy, what a sad thing to behold.
[QUOTE="darkfox101"]*grabs popcorn*chrisrooR
don't hold your breath. The TC is long gone.
does that matter? Weve done much more to this thread than the TC, in fact.
[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"]
Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
kalossimitar
You're arguing semantics, tens of thousands were killed and even more displaced. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD. I'm glad you prefer a country selectively killing it's own inhabitants over an outsider, it really makes sense now. I'm glad you've straigtened it out that you only have the right to kill people if they're YOUR OWN PEOPLE.:|
In the last two decades the US has been in Iraq, the Balkans, Afghanistan and then Iraq again. (Major operations).
The first three are legit, the second Iraq war is not. So again how has the US been war mongering the world since then?
displaced bla bla bla, displaced bla bla bla. Its like the 4 time you use that term. Just to make its simple, I would prefer to lose my home, my country and live in atroceous conditionsthan simply cease to exist. And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis.
Yes, it does make sense, because if it was the opposite, there wouldnt be live on Earth anymore, just an example, nuclear weapons, a country wont use nuclear on its own territory to suppress an uprising. A country will use it though against another one. If it was the contrary (countries making only war to each others) we would have ceased to exist during the Cold war, or even before.
Also, who are you to contradict the very principle that is at the base of international security, peace???? Maybe world peace is an utopia, but the UN works to make it a fact, and they do a pretty good job at it. Idf it wasnt for the principles of sovereignty and the non-use of force in international relations, there would be a hell lot of casualties, liek I said, we wouldnt exist anymore at all. Those principles that everyone tries to respect is what makes countries work with each other.
Apparently the Palastiens see otherwise, and many are risking their lives to get their ancesteral homes back...
[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"]
Why only one was called genocide on you list, you may ask? Because countries are sovereign on their own territory.I prefer a country that has interior troubles and get two factions inside its border battling each other and making a lot of casualties than a country attacking other countries, which they dont have the right to, BTW.
The whole idea that the world isnt rampaged at this time is because countries try to accept and respect the principle of sovereignty that is at the base of international relations. But, from what we can see in the last decades' history, USA dont respect that principle, thus making the statu quo and attempt to be at peace in jeopardize.
sSubZerOo
You're arguing semantics, tens of thousands were killed and even more displaced. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD. I'm glad you prefer a country selectively killing it's own inhabitants over an outsider, it really makes sense now. I'm glad you've straigtened it out that you only have the right to kill people if they're YOUR OWN PEOPLE.:|
In the last two decades the US has been in Iraq, the Balkans, Afghanistan and then Iraq again. (Major operations).
The first three are legit, the second Iraq war is not. So again how has the US been war mongering the world since then?
displaced bla bla bla, displaced bla bla bla. Its like the 4 time you use that term. Just to make its simple, I would prefer to lose my home, my country and live in atroceous conditionsthan simply cease to exist. And I believe must people think the same way. In Iraq, people werent displaced, they were just killed, your soldiers as Iraqis.
Yes, it does make sense, because if it was the opposite, there wouldnt be live on Earth anymore, just an example, nuclear weapons, a country wont use nuclear on its own territory to suppress an uprising. A country will use it though against another one. If it was the contrary (countries making only war to each others) we would have ceased to exist during the Cold war, or even before.
Also, who are you to contradict the very principle that is at the base of international security, peace???? Maybe world peace is an utopia, but the UN works to make it a fact, and they do a pretty good job at it. Idf it wasnt for the principles of sovereignty and the non-use of force in international relations, there would be a hell lot of casualties, liek I said, we wouldnt exist anymore at all. Those principles that everyone tries to respect is what makes countries work with each other.
Apparently the Palastiens see otherwise, and many are risking their lives to get their ancesteral homes back...
just remember that most of them are religious, a really high percentage. That means they believe in the paradise as described in their religion. Muslims have a paradise too. Im atheist. So yes, Palestinians see things differently, but they are biased by their faith.
(disclaimer I don't mean all of Europe or all Europeans.) Who here is sick of European elitetism? Seriousilly too many of them accuse Americans of many faults but they themselves have problems. I'm sick of being stereotyped as an overwieght gun toting bush supporter who causes war.
They accuse us of being blind to our government but they also hold on to their governments every word. They let the european union take over and now they have a giant nanny state disgusied as social progress. All the cool countrys in europe like Finland and Switzerland are sucumbing to the pressure from the other countrys.
They are heading for a dictatorship. They have so many problems they just look down on us but refuse to examine their own problems. England acuses us of having problems but they have chavs and soccor vandals.
England's government banned movies (video nasties anyone?) Not remeber that huh. Well a decade ago britain censored the **** out of everything. So much for being tolerant to sex. They are so involved in peoples lives in a negative way that soon everything will be so regulated they might not have freedom anymore. Its like if you live in Europe you have to subscribe to a sterotypical politcal mantra. Englandis too poltically correct and Germany bans alot of media.Its like the solution to their problems is to either ignore it or throw useless feel good legislation at it.
peppersfan2
Just want to ask:
Are you really American? Have you really been speaking/writing english whole your life?
Remeber, countrys, seriousilly, soccor..
Because if your answer is "Yes" :
There are lots of people joking/calling U.S education crap and wow... Seems like it's true!
Europe is made up of a large number of countries (48 i believe) all with different languages, dialects, cultures, religions, laws and moral beliefs. The EU is designed to overcome the problems that arise from this situation by having its member states all agree to certain laws and rules to make trading and various political, social and global agreements easier to maintain and organise. What you call the EU threatening other countries into joining is infact pressuring and basically nagging them to join so we have a more united and easier continent to live in. You'd be surprised how many European countries not in the EU presently have requested or begged to join and it isn't easy to join either, infact i think it takes something like 2 or 3 years to finally join providing a country meets targets set out for it by the EU member states.
As to why there is an elitist attitude from Europe over the USA this could be down to the fact that G.W.Bush has on many occasions offended many European countries and leaders and in the process committed political suicide. When he oh so famously said "those who are not with us, are against us" when he was on about the war on terror he branded a number of countries who didn't agree with him as traitors and cowards. The war in Iraq is also unpopular in Europe and the USA's recent threats towards Iran has also annoyed a number of political people within Europe.
However another reason that Europeans may feel superior towards Americans is the fact that many European countries are making large steps to stop global warming by using alternative fuel source and cutting down carbon emissions. The USA on the other hand has done next to nothing about global warming and has refused time and time again to make any cutbacks on their carbon emissions. This lack of willingness to help when the USA is the largest polluter in the world does nothing to help the USA's global image to people around the world.
Concerning why many people in Europe think of Americans as the stereotypical fat slobbish rednecks who sleep with a gun under their pillow this might be down to the fact thats the image protrayed about them in the media. Whenever a news story hits the internet about some morbidly obese man or woman being lifted out their house by a forklift its usually an American. When you hear about some pupil walking into his school and shooting his classmates its usually an American. The reason people think Americans are dumb and stupid is probably down to the fact your President is an utter moron who not only says some stupid stuff he does some stupid things. Government leaders are a symbol for their people so can you blame us Europeans for falling into thinking all Americans fit the stereotypes when so many of the news articles about the USA fit these stereotypes perfectly?
And to address the TC's claims about England first i'd like to point out that England isnt the only country in the UK infact Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the other 3 countries that make up Great Britain. Now as for chavs and football hooligans i'd say thats no different or worse to having the KKK and many gang cultures that exist in the USA. And when it comes to censorship in the UK we are infact very very liberal with our media (EU version of the Witcher anyone???) compared to the USA. As for being too politically correct i'd say that it isn't just Europe but the rest of the world as well thats taken political correctness to an insanely stupid level. So much so that we can't see sattire or sarcasm for what it is and instead take offense at everything and miss the humour intended by such comments.
However i would like to point out that while Americans and their government has faults i don't like to judge them all by stereotypes or judge them at all. My own country, Scotland, isn't perfect and no country is anywhere near perfect. You just have to ignore the stereotypes, media labelling and political crap and see people for who they are. Personally i happen to like and get along with many Americans and Europeans and for all the crap that goes on in the world i still talk and play games with them. Games have this amazing ability to let people from around the world all sit down and enjoy something together online and put prejudices, discriminations and stereotypes aside. I think video games could bring around world peace myself, imagine if G.W.Bush, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had all sat down to play a game of CSS to solve their problems. Then we wouldn't have had to actually gone through 9/11, the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.
Viva la videogames revolution!
EDIT - Changed the ending of the post as the original made me sound like i was having a right dig at the USA which was never the intention of my post. I was aiming to just counter the claims made by the TC.
1005
Sorry but the elitism was around long before Bush. Stereotypes exist because those believing the stereotype are uneducated.
Europe is made up of a large number of countries (48 i believe) all with different languages, dialects, cultures, religions, laws and moral beliefs. The EU is designed to overcome the problems that arise from this situation by having its member states all agree to certain laws and rules to make trading and various political, social and global agreements easier to maintain and organise. What you call the EU threatening other countries into joining is infact pressuring and basically nagging them to join so we have a more united and easier continent to live in. You'd be surprised how many European countries not in the EU presently have requested or begged to join and it isn't easy to join either, infact i think it takes something like 2 or 3 years to finally join providing a country meets targets set out for it by the EU member states.
As to why there is an elitist attitude from Europe over the USA this could be down to the fact that G.W.Bush has on many occasions offended many European countries and leaders and in the process committed political suicide. When he oh so famously said "those who are not with us, are against us" when he was on about the war on terror he branded a number of countries who didn't agree with him as traitors and cowards. The war in Iraq is also unpopular in Europe and the USA's recent threats towards Iran has also annoyed a number of political people within Europe.
However another reason that Europeans may feel superior towards Americans is the fact that many European countries are making large steps to stop global warming by using alternative fuel source and cutting down carbon emissions. The USA on the other hand has done next to nothing about global warming and has refused time and time again to make any cutbacks on their carbon emissions. This lack of willingness to help when the USA is the largest polluter in the world does nothing to help the USA's global image to people around the world.
Concerning why many people in Europe think of Americans as the stereotypical fat slobbish rednecks who sleep with a gun under their pillow this might be down to the fact thats the image protrayed about them in the media. Whenever a news story hits the internet about some morbidly obese man or woman being lifted out their house by a forklift its usually an American. When you hear about some pupil walking into his school and shooting his classmates its usually an American. The reason people think Americans are dumb and stupid is probably down to the fact your President is an utter moron who not only says some stupid stuff he does some stupid things. Government leaders are a symbol for their people so can you blame us Europeans for falling into thinking all Americans fit the stereotypes when so many of the news articles about the USA fit these stereotypes perfectly?
And to address the TC's claims about England first i'd like to point out that England isnt the only country in the UK infact Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the other 3 countries that make up Great Britain. Now as for chavs and football hooligans i'd say thats no different or worse to having the KKK and many gang cultures that exist in the USA. And when it comes to censorship in the UK we are infact very very liberal with our media (EU version of the Witcher anyone???) compared to the USA. As for being too politically correct i'd say that it isn't just Europe but the rest of the world as well thats taken political correctness to an insanely stupid level. So much so that we can't see sattire or sarcasm for what it is and instead take offense at everything and miss the humour intended by such comments.
However i would like to point out that while Americans and their government has faults i don't like to judge them all by stereotypes or judge them at all. My own country, Scotland, isn't perfect and no country is anywhere near perfect. You just have to ignore the stereotypes, media labelling and political crap and see people for who they are. Personally i happen to like and get along with many Americans and Europeans and for all the crap that goes on in the world i still talk and play games with them. Games have this amazing ability to let people from around the world all sit down and enjoy something together online and put prejudices, discriminations and stereotypes aside. I think video games could bring around world peace myself, imagine if G.W.Bush, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had all sat down to play a game of CSS to solve their problems. Then we wouldn't have had to actually gone through 9/11, the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.
Viva la videogames revolution!
EDIT - Changed the ending of the post as the original made me sound like i was having a right dig at the USA which was never the intention of my post. I was aiming to just counter the claims made by the TC.
1005
Up the Scots! Nice post
The only thing that detracts from the fun of these threads are the enormous quote chains..
To adress the inital problem - European elitism? What? Was I asleep when the whole continent melded into one country - you justtook the Eastern European cultures, Mediterranean cultures, Scandinavian cultures, and all the others that make Europe what it is, and adressed them as you would the USA, or another NATION.
Someone mentioned the problems in the Balkans a couple of decades ago - is it any surprise after the Versailles treaty in 1918, which squidged random cultures together in one country, showing the US's great understanding of Europe's culture, just as you have Mr.TC.
[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]Don't get me wrong I harbor as much hatred for my American governments flaws as I do Europe's I'm just sick of them getting away with it.
jointed
What exactly are we "getting away" with? The European media is constantly bashing the EU and the various governments.
You never hear about that in forums or American media :|[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]Don't get me wrong I harbor as much hatred for my American governments flaws as I do Europe's I'm just sick of them getting away with it.
DivergeUnify
What exactly are we "getting away" with? The European media is constantly bashing the EU and the various governments.
You never hear about that in forums or American media :|Ah, so it is instantly untrue? Among the biggest problem facing Gordon Brown's government is the referendum on the new EU treaty, and many countries worry about losing their identities and being flooded with immigrants(the UK's other big problem).
yeah i hate it to those bastards support the palestinian ***** im from israel and i hate the palestinians if france or germany would live with these bastards they would kill them all
-Xzibit-
You're one of the people making that problem last longer, and screwing up the region, and indirectly the world, even more. Thanks!
[QUOTE="-Xzibit-"]yeah i hate it to those bastards support the palestinian ***** im from israel and i hate the palestinians if france or germany would live with these bastards they would kill them all
gabcd86
You're one of the people making that problem last longer, and screwing up the region, and indirectly the world, even more. Thanks!
Indeed.. This problem could have been solved 60 years ago, but apparently, over 50% of a coutry is not enough.. edit: ..this was a pun agaist both sides.Please Log In to post.
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