Who is tougher? NFL vs. Rugby (56k)

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Do people get paralyzed and break their necks in rugby a lot?F1_2004

Far too often. The scrum is one of the most dangerous things you can do in any sport.

I have a friend whose cousin was paralysed from the neck down after a scrum collapsed. He only died recently. Google Stuart Mangan.

People keep saying that football players use "huge pads" and "tons of protective equipment". That really is not true. You have a helmet to lessen the frequency of concussions (players do still get insanely bad concussions due to the mass and speed behind the player that is hitting them in the head). You ahve shoulder pads that protect your shoulders. Shoulder pads are only big on linemen because they hit with their shoulders. All skill position players dont have larger shoulder pads because they need to move their arms around. And then you have thigh pads and knee pads which are just foam pieces. Not that much equipment considering how hard people are hitting. Plus a football helmet to the ribs is going to do a lot more damage then the top of someones head.

It is a lot easier for a football player to integrate themselves into rugby than it is for a rugby player to start playing football.

Dawq902

People keep saying that football players use "huge pads" and "tons of protective equipment". That really is not true. You have a helmet to lessen the frequency of concussions (players do still get insanely bad concussions due to the mass and speed behind the player that is hitting them in the head). You ahve shoulder pads that protect your shoulders. Shoulder pads are only big on linemen because they hit with their shoulders. All skill position players dont have larger shoulder pads because they need to move their arms around. And then you have thigh pads and knee pads which are just foam pieces. Not that much equipment considering how hard people are hitting. Plus a football helmet to the ribs is going to do a lot more damage then the top of someones head.

Dawq902

lets see a rugby player catch hundreds of passes with fingers like this mems_1224

My Dad used to play a lot of Rugby and his ring finger looks nearly identical to that.

Not as bad but whoever tried to patch him up after the match set the finger wrong and it will forever be at a 45degree angle to his hand.

People keep saying that football players use "huge pads" and "tons of protective equipment". That really is not true. You have a helmet to lessen the frequency of concussions (players do still get insanely bad concussions due to the mass and speed behind the player that is hitting them in the head). You ahve shoulder pads that protect your shoulders. Shoulder pads are only big on linemen because they hit with their shoulders. All skill position players dont have larger shoulder pads because they need to move their arms around. And then you have thigh pads and knee pads which are just foam pieces. Not that much equipment considering how hard people are hitting. Plus a football helmet to the ribs is going to do a lot more damage then the top of someones head.

Dawq902

Exactly. People really don't know what they are talking about.

Look at Chad Ochocinco:

He's got a helmet, small shoulder pads made of plastic, and small, thin foam pads over his thighs. That's it.

None of that will protect you from a big hit.

It is a lot easier for a football player to integrate themselves into rugby than it is for a rugby player to start playing football.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]

People keep saying that football players use "huge pads" and "tons of protective equipment". That really is not true. You have a helmet to lessen the frequency of concussions (players do still get insanely bad concussions due to the mass and speed behind the player that is hitting them in the head). You ahve shoulder pads that protect your shoulders. Shoulder pads are only big on linemen because they hit with their shoulders. All skill position players dont have larger shoulder pads because they need to move their arms around. And then you have thigh pads and knee pads which are just foam pieces. Not that much equipment considering how hard people are hitting. Plus a football helmet to the ribs is going to do a lot more damage then the top of someones head.

Exactly. People really don't know what they are talking about.

Look at Chad Ochocinco:

He's got a helmet, small shoulder pads made of plastic, and small, thin foam pads over his thighs. That's it.

None of that will protect you from a big hit.

Somebody explain to me how pads will help you in this situation:

That doesn't happen in rugby because you don't catch passes while looking backwards.

P.S... Reggie Bush (the guy who was hit) was crawling around on his knees like a baby after that play.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]

People keep saying that football players use "huge pads" and "tons of protective equipment". That really is not true. You have a helmet to lessen the frequency of concussions (players do still get insanely bad concussions due to the mass and speed behind the player that is hitting them in the head). You ahve shoulder pads that protect your shoulders. Shoulder pads are only big on linemen because they hit with their shoulders. All skill position players dont have larger shoulder pads because they need to move their arms around. And then you have thigh pads and knee pads which are just foam pieces. Not that much equipment considering how hard people are hitting. Plus a football helmet to the ribs is going to do a lot more damage then the top of someones head.

BMD004

Exactly. People really don't know what they are talking about.

Look at Chad Ochocinco:

He's got a helmet, small shoulder pads made of plastic, and small, thin foam pads over his thighs. That's it.

None of that will protect you from a big hit.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Considering NFL players are often much larger and faster then rugby players, those are not that bad...

Speed is more important than size when it comes to large impacts... and NFL players are much, much faster...

BMD004

No, they are generally bigger and faster.

This is Adrian Peterson. He's jacked, and he runs a 4.4 forty yard dash.

This is Mario Williams. He's 6'6" and 295 pounds (133.809 kg). He runs a 4.66 forty yard dash. That is blazing fast for somebody his size.

This is Julius Peppers. He is 6'7" and 283 pounds (128.366 kg). Runs a forty yard dash in 4.5 seconds. Amazingly fast for somebody his size. Also has a 37.5 inch vertical jump. That is insane.

And I can go on and on. I don't think you understand the caliber of athlete that is competing in the NFL. They are a ungodly fast, agile, and athletic for how big they are.

Cool beans. Now literally just re-read your own post but imagine pictures of the world's fastest Rugby players and we're done here.

Somebody explain to me how pads will help you in this situation:

That doesn't happen in rugby because you don't catch passes while looking backwards.

P.S... Reggie Bush (the guy who was hit) was crawling around on his knees like a baby after that play.

BMD004

So that shows what? They can give it but can't take it?

Somebody explain to me how pads will help you in this situation:

That doesn't happen in rugby because you don't catch passes while looking backwards.

P.S... Reggie Bush (the guy who was hit) was crawling around on his knees like a baby after that play.

BMD004

Well based on my fear Rugby seems tougher as I know 2 people who have died from it. I would never play that sport. I played a bit of football and being tanked by a guy 3x heavier hurts like hell. I play it once in a while and I enjoy it. Overall I guest we can all say football and Rugby are though sports.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]

People keep saying that football players use "huge pads" and "tons of protective equipment". That really is not true. You have a helmet to lessen the frequency of concussions (players do still get insanely bad concussions due to the mass and speed behind the player that is hitting them in the head). You ahve shoulder pads that protect your shoulders. Shoulder pads are only big on linemen because they hit with their shoulders. All skill position players dont have larger shoulder pads because they need to move their arms around. And then you have thigh pads and knee pads which are just foam pieces. Not that much equipment considering how hard people are hitting. Plus a football helmet to the ribs is going to do a lot more damage then the top of someones head.

Exactly. People really don't know what they are talking about.

Look at Chad Ochocinco:

He's got a helmet, small shoulder pads made of plastic, and small, thin foam pads over his thighs. That's it.

None of that will protect you from a big hit.

It is a lot easier for a football player to integrate themselves into rugby than it is for a rugby player to start playing football.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Are you not just literally making up vague generalisations? NFL players are bigger and faster? You say that like they're a race of creatures, not human beings like any other person. Surely the size/speed of an NFL player depends on the team they play for and their calibre as an athlete? Exact same as Rugby? Most Rugby players are absolutely huge, i dont get how NFL players could be significantly bigger unless they're demi-gods. Same thing with speed, depending on which position you play, there are rugby players who run insanely fast. I imagine most NFL players LOOK bigger on the field because they're wearing huge pads. Ninja-Hippo

No, they are generally bigger and faster.

This is Adrian Peterson. He's jacked, and he runs a 4.4 forty yard dash.

This is Mario Williams. He's 6'6" and 295 pounds (133.809 kg). He runs a 4.66 forty yard dash. That is blazing fast for somebody his size.

This is Julius Peppers. He is 6'7" and 283 pounds (128.366 kg). Runs a forty yard dash in 4.5 seconds. Amazingly fast for somebody his size. Also has a 37.5 inch vertical jump. That is insane.

And I can go on and on. I don't think you understand the caliber of athlete that is competing in the NFL. They are a ungodly fast, agile, and athletic for how big they are.

Cool beans. Now literally just re-read your own post but imagine pictures of the world's fastest Rugby players and we're done here.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] I find that very dubious. Football players are built like a brick and made for one explosive run with a hit at the end. They'd drop dead after a few minutes of continuous rugby play.F1_2004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Somebody explain to me how pads will help you in this situation:

That doesn't happen in rugby because you don't catch passes while looking backwards.

P.S... Reggie Bush (the guy who was hit) was crawling around on his knees like a baby after that play.

Ninja-Hippo

P.S... I was simply showing you how pad don't really help with big hits.

p.s.s... I don't think you realize how fast that happened in real time. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwiMtGsFHwA

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="Dawq902"] Maybe the 350lb linemen but not the players who play skill positions like receivers, corner backs etc. At a football practice your entire day consists of running. I'm 100 percent sure that football players could play rugby.Dawq902

Running fast for 4.7 seconds is a skill that's useful in american football and olympic sprinting, nowhere else.F1_2004

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] A football game is several hours of running too, as is almost every sports practice, but with breaks in between. These giant guys would absolutely die in a full game of Rugby.F1_2004

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] A football game is several hours of running too, as is almost every sports practice, but with breaks in between. These giant guys would absolutely die in a full game of Rugby.F1_2004

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Running fast for 4.7 seconds is a skill that's useful in american football and olympic sprinting, nowhere else.Dawq902

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Somebody explain to me how pads will help you in this situation:

That doesn't happen in rugby because you don't catch passes while looking backwards.

P.S... Reggie Bush (the guy who was hit) was crawling around on his knees like a baby after that play.

BMD004

P.S... I was simply showing you how pad don't really help with big hits.

p.s.s... I don't think you realize how fast that happened in real time. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwiMtGsFHwA

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="Dawq902"] Ok show me the statistics that say every single football player can't play rugby.BMD004

US rugby is an absolute joke. We're talking about the heavy hitters here(seriously no pun intended) like the All Blacks and South Africans.

The players that are bred for rugby and eat,sleep and s*** nothing else.

This is Herschel Walker. He's about to be 49 years old (and yes, this picture is from when he is 48). He is a former NFL player and now a successful mixed martial artist.

He nearly made the olympic team in sprint relay.

He competed on the 1992 winter olympics 2-man bobsled team finishing 7th.

This is the kind of athlete I'm talking about. Insanely strong, incredibly talented, and just a raw athlete.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="Dawq902"] Ok show me the statistics that say every single football player can't play rugby.Dawq902

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]Running fast for 4.7 seconds is a skill that's useful in american football and olympic sprinting, nowhere else.F1_2004

I'd say the hits are more brutal in the NFL, but in Rugby, you don't have pads and have to keep going non-stop.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] lol show me how many NFL players have successfully played Rugby?F1_2004

This is Herschel Walker. He's about to be 49 years old (and yes, this picture is from when he is 48). He is a former NFL player and now a successful mixed martial artist.

He nearly made the olympic team in sprint relay.

He competed on the 1992 winter olympics 2-man bobsled team finishing 7th.

This is the kind of athlete I'm talking about. Insanely strong, incredibly talented, and just a raw athlete.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Hits like that happen in Rugby ALL THE TIME, especially Australian rules. You don't know what you're talking about. :?

Ninja-Hippo

P.S... I was simply showing you how pad don't really help with big hits.

p.s.s... I don't think you realize how fast that happened in real time. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwiMtGsFHwA

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

This is Herschel Walker. He's about to be 49 years old (and yes, this picture is from when he is 48). He is a former NFL player and now a successful mixed martial artist.

He nearly made the olympic team in sprint relay.

He competed on the 1992 winter olympics 2-man bobsled team finishing 7th.

This is the kind of athlete I'm talking about. Insanely strong, incredibly talented, and just a raw athlete.

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Prove it. Show me a hit. Show me a hit where one guy didn't see it coming, and he was completely exposed and couldn't protect himself

P.S... I was simply showing you how pad don't really help with big hits.

p.s.s... I don't think you realize how fast that happened in real time. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwiMtGsFHwA

The Haka

The Haka again

Just posting some videos of the All-Blacks' Haka.

I've seen this in the flesh, and despite obviously not playing it is downright terrifying.

Watch them and tell me even the baddest NFL player wouldn't be shi****g a brick.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

This is Herschel Walker. He's about to be 49 years old (and yes, this picture is from when he is 48). He is a former NFL player and now a successful mixed martial artist.

He nearly made the olympic team in sprint relay.

He competed on the 1992 winter olympics 2-man bobsled team finishing 7th.

This is the kind of athlete I'm talking about. Insanely strong, incredibly talented, and just a raw athlete.

Ninja-Hippo

The athletes in the NFL are better, and that is just a fact.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="Dawq902"] Bennie Brazell and Leonard Peters both recently joined the USA Rugby team.Dawq902

Your example is a non-example. But I will humor you; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_who_have_converted_from_one_football_code_to_another#From_American_football

NFL players mostly can do CFL (lol), and US international rugby, at which they suck. Look at the rugby players and how much more flexibility they have. Point dead, move on?

Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Dawq902

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

This is Herschel Walker. He's about to be 49 years old (and yes, this picture is from when he is 48). He is a former NFL player and now a successful mixed martial artist.

He nearly made the olympic team in sprint relay.

He competed on the 1992 winter olympics 2-man bobsled team finishing 7th.

This is the kind of athlete I'm talking about. Insanely strong, incredibly talented, and just a raw athlete.

The athletes in the NFL are better, and that is just a fact.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Ninja-Hippo

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDm-M8sxtU8 The two sports are full of big hits. :| Australian rules rugby is about as rough as you can get without endangering the players lives every game.

Ninja-Hippo

Now these are real football hits.

Once again, name me 1 single rugby player that is over 6'6" tall, over 270 pounds, can run at least a 4.7 and jump at least 35".

BMD004

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Dawq902

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.