Who is tougher? NFL vs. Rugby (56k)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Dawq902

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Ninja-Hippo

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Once again, name me 1 single rugby player that is over 6'6" tall, over 270 pounds, can run at least a 4.7 and jump at least 35".

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] [QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Dawq902

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

Who is that?

BMD004

Honestly NFL players are some of the best and strongest athletes in the world. I watched Rugby plenty of times and I just do not see any of those players really competing with NFL athletes.AngelNeo00

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I state that because there are plenty of NFL players that fit those requirements. They are not only massive and strong, but they are ungodly fast for their size and are just raw athletes.Ninja-Hippo

Ok Football and Rugby are VERY different, if you try to compare them, it is very hard to do. That saying I am going to compare to the best of my abilities, I am American so I obviously have a slight bias, but Football is a much harder sport to a professional at. "Tough" has many definitions, and is not suited for this kind of comparrison.

Rugby is a much more aerobic oriented sport, meaning that they have to have the endurance to stay on the field for two 40 minute halves (I think that's the time amount?), meaning that they CANNOT PHSYICALLY be built like a football player, they might have a good amount of endurance (Strength), but in terms of maximum power, there is no way an aerobic based sport can have the same power output as an anerobically based sport. This means that rugby players require type 1 muscle fibers(aerobic fibers, basically what DISTANCE RUNNERS are consisted of), or have to alter their type 2 muscle fibers (The power explosive fibers, the fibers that 100m dash sprinters use to explode out of the blocks, basically the ones you want for BIG HITS) through conditioning to allow them to last the full time period. This means that they have the endurance, but they SACRIFICE the power to allow for these muscle fibers to last longer. You CANNOT have both a maximum endurance and power.

However, in football, plays last from 2-7 seconds on average probably, for 7 seconds, ANYONE can perform any action (block, run, throw, tackle etc...) at a maximal power output, with the rests between plays, this energy is mostly restored, and then the actions can be performed again, and again, and again. Big explosive hits happen in every game, multiple times. Football players are comprised of pretty much entirely type 2 fibers, they don't need aerobic endurance, because of the breaks, that means that they pretty much only use anerobic power, and this is what you want for a maximal power effort.

It's science that football hits HARDER, weather they are tougher or not, that's a poor word to use and back up, way to many defintions for that. Concussions are a much higher rate in the NFL than any other sport as far as I know. Ever heard of Micro Trauma? Players that never even get a concussion in a career are at risk of early onset of dementia, Alzheimers and other degenerative brain diseases because of constant pounding and the strength of players. THAT is one of the reasons a football player on average will live 20 years less than the average american.

I'd say Rugby has more strength, while football has more power

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

F1_2004

Trindon Holiday: 10.02

Jacoby Ford: 10.01

Jerome Mathis 10.2

There are a lot more but there are a lot of guys who don't have 100 meter times and also I don't feel like looking more of them up. But there are a lot of guys who can run a 10.3 in the 100 meter dash.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Who is that?

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] And?BMD004

Trindon Holiday: 10.02

Jacoby Ford: 10.01

Jerome Mathis 10.2

There are a lot more but there are a lot of guys who don't have 100 meter times and also I don't feel like looking more of them up. But there are a lot of guys who can run a 10.3 in the 100 meter dash.

Don't forget Chris Johnson, who was second to Walter Dix (Bronze Medalist at the last olympics in the 1 and 2, can run faster in the 2 than I think 4 people in the history of the world) in high school, Reggie Bush ran at 10.3, so many 10.2x and 10.1x. Pretty sure Holliday ran 10.00 when he won NCAAs a couple years ago too.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="BMD004"]

Who is that?

BMD004

NFL players would crap their pants if they had to go unhelmeted against these type of guys and take the beatings that these guys do, not just tackles. They're too busy being prettyboys behind their helmets.

I'm a Brit,and have been watching and enjoying the NFL for the past 2 years,and have been watching Rugby Union since I was a kid,and can safely say the players in the NFL are generallybigger,faster and stronger.

The padding issue is a red-herring as far as I'm concerned,the minimal padding NFL players wear isn't gonna offer too much protection when you have a 260lbs linebacker running straight into you at speed.

But I would say that alot of Rugby matches and its players are just as tough as anything the NFL has to offer,considering the players wear absolutely no protection.The game just isn't as explosive and doesn't rely on pure brute-strengthand blazing speed as much as the NFL.

ITT: supporters of a great physical sport get trolled by the ignorance of supporters of another great sport.JPOBS

Which is which may I ask?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] The fact that you don't even know that just goes to show that you have no experience at all with Rugby and therefore no basis from which to make these comparisons. I wouldn't say either sport is vastly better than the other because i FOLLOW both of them. You clearly only follow the NFL yet blindly declare it better and more athletic than Rugby which you don't seem to have any knowledge of at all. Is it really reasonable to compare X to Y when you have no idea what Y even is? BMD004

NFL players would crap their pants if they had to go unhelmeted against these type of guys and take the beatings that these guys do, not just tackles. They're too busy being prettyboys behind their helmets.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] The fact that you don't even know that just goes to show that you have no experience at all with Rugby and therefore no basis from which to make these comparisons. I wouldn't say either sport is vastly better than the other because i FOLLOW both of them. You clearly only follow the NFL yet blindly declare it better and more athletic than Rugby which you don't seem to have any knowledge of at all. Is it really reasonable to compare X to Y when you have no idea what Y even is? F1_2004

NFL players would crap their pants if they had to go unhelmeted against these type of guys and take the beatings that these guys do, not just tackles. They're too busy being prettyboys behind their helmets.

Those aren't the fastest players, or the biggest players. I was showing the combination of size and speed in the NFL. Show me 3 rugby players who are above 6'6" tall and over 270 pounds who can run faster than a 4.7 and have higher than a 35" vertical. In fact, just name me one. I bet you that you cannot do it.

BMD004

Some perspective:

Jonah Lomu. Weights over 265 pounds at 6'6" yet he can run 100 metres in 10.8 seconds. Amazing.

Brian Habana:

Once did a race with a freakin' cheeta, just for the lolz. No, seriously. 6 ft tall :| Weights 200 pounds and can bench 350 pounds. One of the fastest men in the league, running 100m in 10.4 seconds.

Both sports offer some of the best athletes in the world. Fact.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I don't follow rugby, but I have seen Rugby matches. I've watched South Africa. To be honest, there were no players who I thought, man, that guy would be a beast in the NFL.BMD004

NFL players would crap their pants if they had to go unhelmeted against these type of guys and take the beatings that these guys do, not just tackles. They're too busy being prettyboys behind their helmets.

Are yoiu sure? Chabal is an animal, half-man-half cave-man. He is immune to pain.

I'm a Brit,and have been watching and enjoying the NFL for the past 2 years,and have been watching Rugby Union since I was a kid,and can safely say the players in the NFL are generallybigger,faster and stronger.

The padding issue is a red-herring as far as I'm concerned,the minimal padding NFL players wear isn't gonna offer too much protection when you have a 260lbs linebacker running straight into you at speed.

But I would say that alot of Rugby matches and its players are just as tough as anything the NFL has to offer,considering the players wear absolutely no protection.The game just isn't as explosive and doesn't rely on pure brute-strengthand blazing speed as much as the NFL.

saying that "NFL player would crap their pants" is in no way shape or form a respectable argument.Dawq902

Neither is most of what you've been saying lately, so I figured we're past the point of reasonable arguments and into having fun with it. Also, I've been exposed to so many shots of naked waxed-chested sweaty airbrushed jacked NFL players in this thread already that I figured I wouldn't be called out for trying to man up the thread a little. Guess I was wrong!

I'm pretty sure I can name 20 guys who would eat that guy for breakfast.

BMD004

[QUOTE="Dawq902"] Yeah but he did not play Rugby. Fight this example with a Rugby player of equal size, talent and ability and we may respect your sport.Ninja-Hippo

Dude can run 100m in 10.2 seconds. That's freakin' incredible.

LOL. I typed in "fastest rugby player" into google... and guess who's picture popped up? Yep, that guy. And he runs a 10.27, and that is the absolute FASTEST guy in rugby.

I named 3 NFL players off the top of my head who run a faster 100 meter dash.

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]saying that "NFL player would crap their pants" is in no way shape or form a respectable argument.F1_2004

Neither is most of what you've been saying lately, so I figured we're past the point of reasonable arguments and into having fun with it. Also, I've been exposed to so many shots of naked waxed-chested sweaty airbrushed jacked NFL players in this thread already that I figured I wouldn't be called out for trying to man up the thread a little. Guess I was wrong!

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]saying that "NFL player would crap their pants" is in no way shape or form a respectable argument.Dawq902

Neither is most of what you've been saying lately, so I figured we're past the point of reasonable arguments and into having fun with it. Also, I've been exposed to so many shots of naked waxed-chested sweaty airbrushed jacked NFL players in this thread already that I figured I wouldn't be called out for trying to man up the thread a little. Guess I was wrong!

I'm pretty sure I can name 20 guys who would eat that guy for breakfast.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]saying that "NFL player would crap their pants" is in no way shape or form a respectable argument.Dawq902

Neither is most of what you've been saying lately, so I figured we're past the point of reasonable arguments and into having fun with it. Also, I've been exposed to so many shots of naked waxed-chested sweaty airbrushed jacked NFL players in this thread already that I figured I wouldn't be called out for trying to man up the thread a little. Guess I was wrong!

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I'm pretty sure I can name 20 guys who would eat that guy for breakfast.

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]

Neither is most of what you've been saying lately, so I figured we're past the point of reasonable arguments and into having fun with it. Also, I've been exposed to so many shots of naked waxed-chested sweaty airbrushed jacked NFL players in this thread already that I figured I wouldn't be called out for trying to man up the thread a little. Guess I was wrong!

F1_2004

Also, BMD004 - thanks for posting a list of NFL players running the same times as Rugby players down to being within the same second. Proving my point that the two sports are about the same. :) Ninja-Hippo

I'm pretty sure I can name 20 guys who would eat that guy for breakfast.

Chabal tackle

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I'm pretty sure I can name 20 guys who would eat that guy for breakfast.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="BMD004"]

I'm pretty sure I can name 20 guys who would eat that guy for breakfast.

BMD004

[QUOTE="Dawq902"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] That guy whose name you dont know and dont know a thing about? Don't you think that's a little irrational? To believe you know of better athletes than a guy you know *nothing* about? I'm all for 'my house is better than yours' but i think it's just silly to declare your chosen sport superior to another when you know absolutely nothing about the sport you're so determined to put down. It doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't hate on baseball because i don't follow it and don't know a darned thing about it. It'd be silly. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] That guy whose name you dont know and dont know a thing about? Don't you think that's a little irrational? To believe you know of better athletes than a guy you know *nothing* about? I'm all for 'my house is better than yours' but i think it's just silly to declare your chosen sport superior to another when you know absolutely nothing about the sport you're so determined to put down. It doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't hate on baseball because i don't follow it and don't know a darned thing about it. It'd be silly. Ninja-Hippo

Also, BMD004 - thanks for posting a list of NFL players running the same times as Rugby players down to being within the same second. Proving my point that the two sports are about the same. :) Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Also, BMD004 - thanks for posting a list of NFL players running the same times as Rugby players down to being within the same second. Proving my point that the two sports are about the same. :) BMD004

If NFL players didn't wear helmets and pads they would die.

So...if these exceptionally athletic football players played offence and defence, didn't wear padding, and played for longer periods, they'd be less tough?

I haven't seen a solid argument from any rugby supporter imaps3fanboy

I haven't seen a solid argument from any rugby supporter imaps3fanboy

Regarding what?

I haven't seen a solid argument from any rugby supporter imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]I haven't seen a solid argument from any rugby supporter F1_2004

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]I haven't seen a solid argument from any rugby supporter balfe1990

Regarding what?