Who would win in a war? Canada VS Russia

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[QUOTE="bsman00"]Doesn't Russia have nukes? and Canada doesn't?Vilot_Hero

you really think russia would use nukes ??? i don't... and i think canada would win, russia always runs out of money during a war... =/

Russia had enough money to decimate Georgia. And that lasted a few months...I think the war is still going on.

na they pwned georgia in like 2 weeks

We Canadians would valiantly fight them off with our beavers, polar bears, hockey sticks and to finish them off we would drown them in maple syrup! That is if the freezing climate here doesn't finish them off first.boshlonavish

Freezing climate? Siberia makes up 77% of Russia. That's not warm weather we're talking about. The last thing to stop them would be the cold.

How is Canada a joke? Show me proof that Russia can destroy Canada.Vilot_Hero

Reason why Russia would win:

I don't get it, why does everyone bag on Russia? What have they done SO TERRIBLY WRONG in order to deserve this kind of treatment?

Well you have to think which country is doing the invading. Let me tell you either scenario is completely stupid, as Russia would most likely sink any invading Canadian vessel, and vice versa. Another thing is, if Russia is invading it has to think about Alaska, which is like a gigantic boulder in front of the Russians objective, because undoubtedly the Americans would lend Canada a helping hand by telling them where each and every Russian ship is in the area. This is a major disadvantage to the Russians. This scenario would most likely involve NATO, and WWIII would begin as almost all of Europe would be forced to open a second front. :|

Not such a cool scenario, is it? If Russia does manage to barge through a highly defended beach head then it might as well be game over for Canada, unless they can somehow pull a fast one, like threatening to pull in NATO in to the fight, or even start launching nukes on their own territory to take out the Russians. Now the world will be on the edge of its seat because if Russia annexes Canada this means Russia will have an almost total monopoly on the worlds supply of oil, and guess what, the US is Canada's number one customer for oil. This could very well cripple the worlds economy. If Canada invades Russia, it better be for a damn good reason, and I mean one which almost every person in the history's future and give it a green light, if you catch my drift. Once Canada invades Russia, they would be completely slaughtered in Russian territory, and I mean annihilated. Russia won't think twice about nuking its own territor to kill Canadian soldiers, it freaking ice over there anyway, and plus it's war, so they won't care for the enviroment. Topol M ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) would knock out any defense Canada has going for it, and those ICBMs are meant for that purpose only, to fool enemy defenses. It would not ensure Mutually Assured Destruction regarding nukes because Canada would never come close to the number of nukes that Russia possesses in its arsenal. I believ that at the height of the USSR's nuclear bombs aresenal, it numbered in at I believe 45,000 in the 1980s. We know Russia has the majority of those. Russia also displayed its nuclear supremacy during a military exercise known as Stability 2008.

We cannot go further in the discussion because most likely NATO will be involved, and if you take that into account, I will have to think of all the other geopolitical strings and strategies involved of many, many countries, perhaps independently.

Have a nice day Vilot_Hero.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]How is Canada a joke? Show me proof that Russia can destroy Canada.FunkWeasel

Reason why Russia would win:

indeed i mean look at their dogs

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]How is Canada a joke? Show me proof that Russia can destroy Canada.Pirate700

I already said this to another guy, I don't think ANYONE is STUPID enough to USE a NUKE, NO ! no one on this PLANET will use one... why ? If russia nuked us... the US would nuke Russia, russia would nuke the US back, and the whole world would die.... therefore, no one will use a nuke.. no country leader will risk that... therfore .... canada would win. No offence to russia ! 

Canada would win since Russia would have to go through Alaska and Sarah Palin would be there, distracting the Russians with her ridiculous statements and foreign policy experience.callekula12

I cannot agree more :P

Canada is in NATO.

USA is in NATO.

Germany is in NATO.

Great Britain is in NATO.

If Russia ever tried anything with either one of these countries. Russia is as good as dead. So I put my money on the combined efforts of NATO, not just Canada.

stupiddk

BUT, its not about NATO, its about CANADA  

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[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"] The number is closer to 10,000 we also export alot of our Abrams to countries such as Egypt. Russia has much older outdated tanks that would be and have been slaughtered by US tanks with no losses. But Canada simply doesnt have many tanks, in fact i think they have pulled all the remaining Leapord 2s they had.UrbanSpartan125

Russia's new tank the T-90 is supposed to be really good and i got the numbers from Guiness World Records

 for starters teh Abrams is one of the best, not the best( none, in all of the comparasions in the past few years, has bee ndubbed teh "Best") THe best propossed tank is the Leopard 2A6, which isn't battle tested. but the thing is for u.s. vs, pretty much any other modern tank but the challenger( ists in the same boat as the abrams) is that it costsway more to tanks with the same, if not better capabilities( as far has protection, fire power, etc goes) its main pro is also its biggest con. it has along with hte challenger 2, ALOT of electronic support,w which is all great, but it requires alot of outside support, either through navy ships or a base. that electronic warfare gear makes it cost 2-3 times taht of its competitors. so they could be better, but everyone else can get 3-4x the amount of tanks in the same time for the same amount of money, and they need less training becasue tehy don't have the huge amount of support electronic warfare gear.

and in defence of russias tanks, they have T-90's which are modern and considered top- 10,  they are phasing out there older tanks, and bringing what T-72's and T-80's up to date, then getting rid of the rest for tfor more T-90's and their new tank the " T-95" which is suppose to enter service next year, that is suppose to have things like a 152mm gun( all of the other modern tanks have 120mm or 125mm) it is suppose to be one of the best tanks in the world if not the best when it comes out.

 And as for U.S. tanks being proven against those out-dated tanks. the only russian tank the Abrams and Challenger have been up against was the T-72, and thsoe wern't real T-72's. they were "monkey models(exports) that were not even close to the real thing spec. wise. and they were in poor maintance, controled by poorly trained, low experiance crews with low grade ammuntion.

Im not say that the Real T-72s could stop the abrams but they could get alot farther than the crappy T-72s the poor little Iraqis had.

So they do have modern, some what modern and a new generation tank on the way, so that 3-1 ratio is bad for us.

One more thing, as stated by someone else in this thread, the russians have alot of training and experiance from their various boarder wars, region conflicts. so they have good crews, and it has been proven other tiems in history that a good crew>>>>> good tank.

No, we would get killed.

But if its a war of hockey, GO CANADA GO!

Hey guys who do you think would win between New Zealand and Australia?

I reckon New Zealand would win because I live there and it's super-duper awesome and no way could Australia ever beat us with it's vastly greater population and military, nuh-uh never.

I am Canadian for starters and wanted to let people know im not being bias :)

So... Heres something taken from wiki which is indeed trusted THIS time.

Finland . Russia

250,000 men - 1,000,000 men

30 tanks - 6,541 tanks

130 aircraft - 3,800 aircraft

Casualties and losses

66,548 total casualties - 391,783 total casualties

26,662 dead - 126,875 dead or missing

39,886 wounded - 264,908 wounded

1,000 captured - 5,600 captured + 2,268+ tanks Destroyed

Well yea if you actually read that you will see numbers and Power dont always matter in this case Finland had very well trained troops and very good stradegy, so in the end they prevailed.

So if this was Canada's case, we have very well trained infantry, good stardegy and moral but most of all an awesome fighting spirit :P

Never ever say that one country can be another countries butt just by looking at them you have to consider a lot of different things, and Canada has LOTS of them, its just a lot of people really dont see them, and wont open their minds to see them.

Doesn't Russia have nukes? and Canada doesn't?bsman00

Russia would win 1 on 1 due miitary power and experience. If Russia used a nuke it would cause a world war. But Russia would have a hard time sending missles to Canada because of the US Missle defense system in Alaska. The US wouldnt allow any missle to pass over Alaska even if its not directed to the US. I think its like 70% of Canadians live close to the US Border. Nonstop-Madness

Why would you vote for Russia? They have fairly old technology and weapons, while Canada has the latest technology available to them. And I'm sure Canada has a larger military than Russia.Vilot_Hero

You almost had me thinking this was a serious thread.

The death toll of America in 1812 was twice the amount of Canada:| The War of 1812 is considered a victory for Canada. I still think Canada can defeat Russia. We have lot's of combat experience. Who bumped this old topic anyways?

The death toll of America in 1812 was twice the amount of Canada:| The War of 1812 is considered a victory for Canada. I still think Canada can defeat Russia. We have lot's of combat experience. Who bumped this old topic anyways?

Vilot_Hero

The death toll of America in 1812 was twice the amount of Canada:| The War of 1812 is considered a victory for Canada. I still think Canada can defeat Russia. We have lot's of combat experience. Who bumped this old topic anyways?

Vilot_Hero

No one considers the war of 1812 a victory for Canada except for some Canadians themselves. For one, Canada as a country didn't exist. The war was fought between the United States and the British Empire over maritime trading practices, funding native american raids on US settlements, and because British sailors were pressing American captives to serve on their ships. The US made some incursion into modern-day Canada as a bargaining chip for peace with Britain. The war is considered either a draw because the British never agreed to change their stance toward American traders but the US somewhat diminished Britain's influence in the new world, or a British victory. Nothing to do with Canada itself.

Upper and Lower Canada were Canadian povinces:|

Upper and Lower Canada were Canadian povinces:|

Vilot_Hero

Canada was part of the British Empire.

It makes me laugh as a Canadian to read some of the clearly American history book BS that people are saying in this thread. Then again, we don't learn much about American history so I can't really blame you.

That said, as much as I respect the people who are fighting in the Canadian army, I'd have to give the victory hands-down to Russia. They just have more man and fire power than Canada could ever hope to have. And that is my POV as a Canadian of Russian descent.

Which makes that part of the British Empire Canadian.Vilot_Hero

Which makes the British Empire the winners of the War of 1812. Unless you think the United States won the Seven Years War.

hahahahaha Canada over Russia!  pffft Russia would destroy Canada

It makes me laugh as a Canadian to read some of the clearly American history book BS that people are saying in this thread. Then again, we don't learn much about American history so I can't really blame you.

That said, as much as I respect the people who are fighting in the Canadian army, I'd have to give the victory hands-down to Russia. They just have more man and fire power than Canada could ever hope to have. And that is my POV as a Canadian of Russian descent.

SlorgieNel

To me, talking about the War of 1812 highlights the fact that Canadian students learn just as biased a view of History as do Americans, even thogh Americans take more flak for it.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Which makes that part of the British Empire Canadian.fidosim

Which makes the British Empire the winners of the War of 1812. Unless you think the United States won the Seven Years War.

Are you American? The education system in Canada and America are quite different in terms of "material". Are people jealous of Canada??

Man power : Russia's like 150 millions people. In Canada we are 32 millions something. And in Quebec (where I live, about 25% of the population) most people are pacifists and hate war. See the conscription during World War II... tells you a lot.

I give my country the technology edge. And I agree with the dude about allies we have (Western Europe and the U.S.).

But Russia would win a war, just like they did in Leningrad (St Petersburg) and other fights all over Russia in WWII even though they lost waaaaaaaaay more soldiers and civilians than the Nazis.

Or how the North in the Civil War lost more men, by far, but won because of manpower.

Manpower does the trick. 

As an Australian (and thus a fair bit more impartial), Canada would lose.

It might win a set piece battle or two, but there's no way in could hope to cope with the Russian military machine.

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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Which makes that part of the British Empire Canadian.Vilot_Hero

Which makes the British Empire the winners of the War of 1812. Unless you think the United States won the Seven Years War.

Are you American? The education system in Canada and America are quite different in terms of "material". Are people jealous of Canada??

Yes. Can't you just admit that your old school teachers misled you? I'm perfectly willing to concede that about the US educational system. The War of 1812 was a US-British war, fought between American and British troops, over American and British interests.

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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Which makes that part of the British Empire Canadian.Vilot_Hero

Which makes the British Empire the winners of the War of 1812. Unless you think the United States won the Seven Years War.

Are you American? The education system in Canada and America are quite different in terms of "material". Are people jealous of Canada??

It was in Canadian territory......1812 was fought by Canadians. Some of the British Empire was located in Europe I believe..Would that make the British Empire European/Asian? Everyone knows it was fought by America and Canada.Vilot_Hero

It was in Canadian territory......1812 was fought by Canadians. Some of the British Empire was located in Europe I believe..Would that make the British Empire European/Asian? Everyone knows it was fought by America and Canada.Vilot_Hero

It was in Canadian territory......1812 was fought by Canadians. Some of the British Empire was located in Europe I believe..Would that make the British Empire European/Asian? Everyone knows it was fought by America and Canada.Vilot_Hero

You're making me facepalm over here. 1812 was fought by British troops stationed in modern-day Canada. The "Canadians" you're referring to were British subjects, loyal to the British Crown. And are you not aware of the extent of the British Empire at that point and the extent they reached in the 19th century?

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]It was in Canadian territory......1812 was fought by Canadians. Some of the British Empire was located in Europe I believe..Would that make the British Empire European/Asian? Everyone knows it was fought by America and Canada.Love-Bank

thats a peace keeping force not a war presence