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It's a growing epidemic. People like to make fun of the "fat american" stereotype, but obesity rates are going up throughout the world and at alarming rates. Obviously people's genes havent changed, so what is the cause of all this fatness.

I typically put the blame on the person, but is it that simple? Portion sizes are increasing. It's hard to go anywhere and order a sensible meal. Food is avaialable in high caloric and low nutritional forms. So do you blame the food companies like McDonald's or are they just giving people what they want? Do you blame the parents and other adults for not teaching their kids better eating habits? Do you blame Canadians for having canadian bacon and maple syrup?

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the eater they have control of how much they eat in a sitting, how often they eat, and how much they exercise Why would you blame McDonald's when it's Mr. Fatty ordering a soda and a fry to go with their already too fatty burger.
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the eater they have control of how much they eat in a sitting, how often they eat, and how much they exerciseJandurin

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I've always blamed two things: -Subsidization of unhealthy foods (corn/wheat industry subsidies making unhealthy foods cheap) -Lifestyles revolving around sitting/driving everywhere and infrastructure that encourages those lifestyles
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I blame the pies for being so delicious.
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I blame Dr.Phil

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It's the consumers fault, nobody is forcing them to eat so much. And say what you want about portion sizes at fast food joints, if your McDouble is too big, then cut it in half and save the rest for later.

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cheap unhealthy food, lack of self control and overwhelming laziness
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the person is to blame when they are adults. parents are to blame when it's kids.
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Canadianssonicare
You nailed the problem. Now how are we going to fix it?
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]CanadiansWilfred_Owen
You nailed the problem. Now how are we going to fix it?

Eat Canada.
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Not having a healthy schedule.
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Whose fault is the misuse of apostrophes? thegerg
Government subsidization of punctuation encourages the use of them in innapropriate situations.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]CanadiansWilfred_Owen
You nailed the problem. Now how are we going to fix it?

are you saying that having sex with canadians is bad for my figure?
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God, obviously

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[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"][QUOTE="sonicare"]CanadiansJandurin
You nailed the problem. Now how are we going to fix it?

are you saying that having sex with canadians is bad for my figure?

It is, since they always insist on having some Tim Horton's afterwards
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Yours.

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It's a growing epidemic. People like to make fun of the "fat american" stereotype, but obesity rates are going up throughout the world and at alarming rates. Obviously people's genes havent changed, so what is the cause of all this fatness.

I typically put the blame on the person, but is it that simple? Portion sizes are increasing. It's hard to go anywhere and order a sensible meal. sonicare

Thats right! it's also cheaper, and healthier to simply make the meal yourself.

Food is avaialable in high caloric and low nutritional forms. So do you blame the food companies like McDonald's or are they just giving people what they want?sonicare

Whoa, you just went from "it's hard to go places to order sensible food" to mentioning how unhealthy MCDONALDS is...
Wtf? is Mcdonald's the only restaurant you have in your city?

Do you blame the parents and other adults for not teaching their kids better eating habits? Do you blame Canadians for having canadian bacon and maple syrup?

sonicare

Other adults? no.
Parent's of morbidly obese children should be castrated and have their children removed from their custody.

I agree with the problem lying almost entirely in the eater.
They have control of what they eat, how often they eat and how often they exercise. Only exception being young children, in which case the parents need to take responsibility of their child's health and well being.

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It's normal for any animal to eat as much as possible in order to compensate for times when food is scarce, why wouldn't the same be true for humans?
In that case, the fault of obesity is the abundance of food.

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Not one single reason. It's partly the genes, you can't blame it all on them, but if you are unlucky you gain weight easier than others. Some things are psychological things. If your plate is bigger, chances are you will put more food on it, and when you are done, you will still feel just full as if you had eaten less from a smaller plate. Less people are starving these days because food expenses relative to your income is lower. Also with all the technology coming to help us and make our life simpler and easier, we move less. Instead of walking somewhere, you use the car. Even the TV-remote in your hand VS getting out of the couch and click on your TV to change the channel is a part of this.

I could probably mention many other small things that have changed and one by one they add up. But in the end it is the person who takes the decision to eat more than he/she actually needs. Now it is just a lot easier to make that decision compared to before.
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Conservation laws, such as thermodynamics. Grains and fire are the environmental consequences of a sustaining cultural basis, hence neoloithic intervention. Obese humans may culturally fly to any region and reproduce, meaning there is no macro selection pressure. Most organism are restricted to their biological aparatus (the gentic code), humans acknowledge the concept of culture, which may even influence other organsms. As an example, my cat is obese.
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It's normal for any animal to eat as much as possible in order to compensate for times when food is scarce, why wouldn't the same be true for humans?
In that case, the fault of obesity is the abundance of food.

rastotm
there is ALWAYS food out for my dog ALWAYS ALWAYS she maintains a perfect weight almost in spite of that
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[QUOTE="rastotm"]

It's normal for any animal to eat as much as possible in order to compensate for times when food is scarce, why wouldn't the same be true for humans?
In that case, the fault of obesity is the abundance of food.

Jandurin

there is ALWAYS food out for my dog ALWAYS ALWAYS she maintains a perfect weight almost in spite of that

I can't get fat no matter how much I eat either, but a huge amount of humans can. I guess it's the same for dogs, my dog is very fat for instance.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="rastotm"]

It's normal for any animal to eat as much as possible in order to compensate for times when food is scarce, why wouldn't the same be true for humans?
In that case, the fault of obesity is the abundance of food.

rastotm

there is ALWAYS food out for my dog ALWAYS ALWAYS she maintains a perfect weight almost in spite of that

I can't get fat no matter how much I eat either, but a huge amount of humans can. I guess it's the same for dogs, my dog is very fat for instance.

she can get fat she just doesn't eat more than she needs i.e. it's a choice if you keep on eating or not.
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I can't get fat no matter how much I eat either.

rastotm

Prove it, or i'll assume you're lying.
Seeing as how what you're saying is complete bs.

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I think Anthony Bourdain had the best idea: bring back home ec in school, make it mandatory, and put a focus on teaching how to cook healthy, reasonably priced meals. You spend the same amount of time (and more money) dragging the kids out to McD's as you would throwing together a nice pasta.

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Well, it is real easy to point fingers other than trying to solve the problem. This goes for both sides of the argument. No education about food in general and just going by what tastes good is most likely a case. Also, funding is a big issue as well, one person could go to McDonalds and feel like they are getting a cheaper meal. Also, the time to make meals (especially if you are working 40 or more hours a week with people depending on you) is a struggle for some folks. People say you can save more money if you go prepare your own healthy meal but not many people say how exactly. And on a budget, think about that. We all know the obvious fruits and veggies but there has to be more than that. They could be following what their parents gave them when they were younger but really if they are on their own now they shouldn't have to do that. And there are people who want to lose it but they aren't doing it the right way. Like if someone had a soda addiction like they drank like 18 cans a day and then they just decided on a diet and instead start drinking around the same amount of diet soda a day. Now, if they are like 600 pounds or something then maybe they would need some kind of medical assistance at that point because there has to be an addiction going on. And like I mentioned earlier, tons of people are busy so getting in exercise on top of all of the other things they have to do... so some people will find the easy way out like pills or just say forget it. Or they are just lazy if they are aware of it all.
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I think Anthony Bourdain had the best idea: bring back home ec in school, make it mandatory, and put a focus on teaching how to cook healthy, reasonably priced meals. You spend the same amount of time (and more money) dragging the kids out to McD's as you would throwing together a nice pasta.

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Well, for one, advocating pasta as a healthier option to fast food is not the way to start.
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[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

I think Anthony Bourdain had the best idea: bring back home ec in school, make it mandatory, and put a focus on teaching how to cook healthy, reasonably priced meals. You spend the same amount of time (and more money) dragging the kids out to McD's as you would throwing together a nice pasta.

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Well, for one, advocating pasta as a healthier option to fast food is not the way to start.

my thoughts precisely
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[QUOTE="rastotm"]I can't get fat no matter how much I eat either.

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Prove it, or i'll assume you're lying.
Seeing as how what you're saying is complete bs.

It's a obvious hyperbole, dispite that it's clear and proven often enough that the metabolism is very different among humans. The tyroid is partially responsible for this. When I compare myself to others it becomes quite clear that I can and do eat alot more then them without gaining weight.
On a sidenote, this is no excuse for getting fat. I simply claimed that the abundance of food and the easy acces to it is highly responsible for the amount of overweight people.
IMO When one gains weight easily they should watch their weight, when one's doesn't than that person is lucky.

On i sidenote,
Fat foods are extremely cheap and healthy foods extremely expensive. I high school prices where one could get sausage-rolls for 0,35 cents while a healthy sandwich was priced around 2.00.

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Or they are just lazyMistressMinako
In the end, this covers the majority of the cases.
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People who don't even want to walk for 30 minutes, much less run for even 5.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="rastotm"]I can't get fat no matter how much I eat either.

rastotm

Prove it, or i'll assume you're lying.
Seeing as how what you're saying is complete bs.

It's a obvious hyperbole, dispite that it's clear and proven often enough that the metabolism is very different among humans. The tyroid is partially responsible for this. When I compare myself to others it becomes quite clear that I can and do eat alot more then them without gaining weight.
On a sidenote, this is no excuse for getting fat. I simply claimed that the abundance of food and the easy acces to it is highly responsible for the amount of overweight people.
IMO When one gains weight easily they should watch their weight, when one's doesn't than that person is lucky.

If you decided to sit on your **** 15 hours a day, doing nothing but eating, you'll obviously gain weight.
I just hate when people do exactly that and go "Herp Derp, it's Genetic, I cant help it"

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[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]Or they are just lazyJandurin
In the end, this covers the majority of the cases.

Maybe if they are 500 pounds I would probably say that. If they are just like 20 pounds over I wouldn't think much.
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People who don't even want to walk for 30 minutes, much less run for even 5.Jandurin
Like the people in my building that take the elevator up (or down!) one story.
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The person themselves.

Even living in college eating crappy food I was able to stay thin. I drank to much, I hate really high-carb meals, and I didn't exercise often. Even then, I just made sure I ate in moderation. I didn't gain a ton of weight.

Now, I sit on my butt at a computer all day and I have to go out of my way to stay in shape, and I eat a lot healthier than I did in college.

I don't know how people let themselves get fat. It's a lack of moderation and a lack of self respect.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="MistressMinako"]Or they are just lazyMistressMinako
In the end, this covers the majority of the cases.

Maybe if they are 500 pounds I would probably say that. If they are just like 20 pounds over I wouldn't think much.

it's still laziness and you have to start HAVE TO because the first extra 20 pounds you gain is the last extra 20 pounds you lose
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I blame both the people that eat, as well as consumerism (ads for BK all the time won't help), and the fact that as populations grow, there is a need to make food easier to make and last longer (thus, less healthy).

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]People who don't even want to walk for 30 minutes, much less run for even 5.Engrish_Major
Like the people in my building that take the elevator up (or down!) one story.

ugh I hate 1 story elevatorers ;[ unless they have some condition, obviously
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It's the person's fault, but it's also about how they are raised.
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Consumerist society. And reactive rather than preventative medicine.
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Well, for one, advocating pasta as a healthier option to fast food is not the way to start.Engrish_Major

Granted not the best example in terms of weight loss, but overall it's still a hell of a lot healthier than a Happy Meal.

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Consumerist society. And reactive rather than preventative medicine.foxhound_fox

Yes.

Medicine now equals lifestyle choices.

Gotcha.

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You can blame the person, but why is obesity increasing across the world? Is the entire world culture changing to laziness and sloth or are there other factors invovled?

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Consumerist society. And reactive rather than preventative medicine.foxhound_fox
so no onus at all on the one shoveling food into mouth
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You can blame the person, but why is obesity increasing across the world? Is the entire world culture changing to laziness and sloth or are there other factors invovled?

sonicare
More desk jobs (computers) and more food in general can be afforded.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

You can blame the person, but why is obesity increasing across the world? Is the entire world culture changing to laziness and sloth or are there other factors invovled?

Jandurin
More desk jobs (computers) and more food in general can be afforded.

I might also add higher ownership of automobiles and less reliance on walking/biking/transit.
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Consumerist society. And reactive rather than preventative medicine.foxhound_fox
Partly on consumerist. If you look at portion size at most restaraunts, it's gone up tremendously. Restaraunts do that to get your business because more is always good. . . . But it's kind of a chicken and the egg argument -> did increased portion size lead to overreating or did people's increased apetites cause restaraunts to increase portion size.
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You can blame the person, but why is obesity increasing across the world? Is the entire world culture changing to laziness and sloth or are there other factors invovled?

sonicare
Lack of sport is one of them.