Who's fault is obesity?

Numerous reasons;

1. Inactivity, kids these days sit down in front of computer or tv play games after school til late at night and on weekends. When I was a kid I was outside after school on my dirt bike at young age or building forts in the forest behind my parents house. We'd be out til the streetlights came on. On weekends we played street hockey all fkn day, later on we'd be skateboarding all over the place. Now... kids watch tv, play video games.

2. Too many commercials for food

3. Parents not cooking proper foods and going with easy methods, instant meals, stuff you just heat up, eating out too much. You can cook a fresh dinner in 20-30min and it'll taste better then eating out and you'll feel better

4. Islam, clearly they're the cause of fat people.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] I know it's healthy and tasty. THAT'S WHY I EAT GRAVLAX ALL THE TIME. How about try to read next time? Nope. The problem here is that you're a very narrow minded person that can't seem to accept people have different tastes. And it seems you also knows nothing about cooking since you're saying gravlax isn't a "decent dish". Which is laughable since gravlax>>>>>>>>grilled salmon. Also even if I didn't know how to cook I've eaten at many good restaurants and even gourme restaurants. And I still like the taste of Big Mac better.

Well it's better than being a fat person torturing himself trying to stay away from tasty big macs, but then not being able to resist and then go home crying cause you can't resist big macs you fatass.

themajormayor

Your fault, fatty.

the fat guys...

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="m25105"] If anyone has reading comprehension it's you. JUNKFOOD =/= gravlax. The whole point of this IS YOU arguing that junkfood tastes better than healthy food.

m25105

While I do get off on insulting people over the net, you shouldn't really be the one passing judgement on this...

Well then I guess I have the worst taste ever then. But I eat to live and not the other way around so it's not like it matters what it taste like since I'm eating healthy in any case. I would still prefer big mac over "healthy foot". Now I agree a homemade burger tastes much better. But that's not really healthy either. And neither is most of what you listed. And sarma is so f*cking disgusting. So yeah i agree with lamb chops, t-bone steak. But that's not very healthy. Sure it's a good source of protein and some other stuff but really it's pretty unhealthy. So yeah I prefer bigmac over most other food. You just have to accept it. And most of all I prefer unhealthy food. For example I could eat pannacotta all they. Sure it's not really food but I can guarantee you it requires decent cooking.

What do you base this on? I'd really like to know. I'm pretty sure I've met alot more muslims and palestinians than you ever have and understand them much better. Now you on the other hand. I don't know what you think about muslims and palestinians but it's pretty obvious you're filled with obsessive hatred of Jews.

A lot of factors from restaurants serving junk food to corn subsidies to the changing eating habits of Americans. But even then, people can still lead a healthier lifestyle by eating right or very little, doing simple exercises like pushups or jogging, or even petitioning a restaurant to reveal their calories for their food and even demanding change. For example, Red Lobster use to be pretty bad (calorie-wise) when it came to food. Now they serve mostly healthy food.

There are a lot of factors to obesity. You can blame all you want but it won't solve the problem. The solution is just more activity from consumers. But that's just me being an idealist.

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="The_Zoid"]Not really. Basal metabolic rate between people will vary only by about 300 calories at a maximum, the rest is TDEE total daily energy expediture. I maintain on about 3100 calories a day. My BMR is about 1800, which means that's what my body burns before I even move. I burn 1300 cals through the day from moving around. "Fast" and "Slow" metabolisms and "Ecto, Meso, and Endo" are all imaginary. Just fancy ways of saying you eat too much or too little for your activity level. Nothing to do with what your body burns internally.The_Zoid

I've never counted a calorie in my life. I'm not disagreeing with your explaination of all this. All you've really done is outline the basic structure of weight gain and loss. While it is on topic it's beside the point to this thread.

No, it's not the point of the thread. You do have a great understanding of weight gain and loss.

Answer to the point of the thread, who's fault is it if you're over weight? And giving a discription of how weight is gained and lost does not answer the question ;)

[QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="Mikey132"]

I've never counted a calorie in my life. I'm not disagreeing with your explaination of all this. All you've really done is outline the basic structure of weight gain and loss. While it is on topic it's beside the point to this thread.

Mikey132

No, it's not the point of the thread. You do have a great understanding of weight gain and loss.

Answer to the point of the thread, who's fault is it if you're over weight? And giving a discription of how weight is gained and lost does not answer the question ;)

I blame yo mama, 'cause she's so fat she doubled the average weight of Americans.chessmaster1989

The eater and partially, the producers of such food. The eater chooses to eat the unhealthy food. However, the producers of such food are also partially guilty because the ingredients they choose make the food much cheaper compared to healthy and organic food choices. Therefore it becomes an easy choice for someone who is on a budget and can't afford to buy the healthy food.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Healthy food is cheaper...

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]The eater and partially, the producers of such food. The eater chooses to eat the unhealthy food. However, the producers of such food are also partially guilty because the ingredients they choose make the food much cheaper compared to healthy and organic food choices. Therefore it becomes an easy choice for someone who is on a budget and can't afford to buy the healthy food.Nibroc420

Healthy food is cheaper...

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]The eater and partially, the producers of such food. The eater chooses to eat the unhealthy food. However, the producers of such food are also partially guilty because the ingredients they choose make the food much cheaper compared to healthy and organic food choices. Therefore it becomes an easy choice for someone who is on a budget and can't afford to buy the healthy food.Nibroc420

Healthy food is cheaper...

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]The eater and partially, the producers of such food. The eater chooses to eat the unhealthy food. However, the producers of such food are also partially guilty because the ingredients they choose make the food much cheaper compared to healthy and organic food choices. Therefore it becomes an easy choice for someone who is on a budget and can't afford to buy the healthy food.themajormayor

Healthy food is cheaper...

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Healthy food is cheaper...

Nibroc420

I take this as a compliment really. I mean even though I agree with you in this thread you're really just a big idiot douche. No offense.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Even though I agree with you about everything else in this thread, healthier food is more expensive. And so is exercise. There's a reason there is more obesity among poor than among rich.themajormayor

I take this as a compliment really. I mean even though I agree with you in this thread you're really just a big idiot douche. No offense.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Eating healthier is cheaper, it's not hard. Exercise is more expensive? What the ****? Now i know you're a troll, which makes your trolling less entertaining. Before i thought you were just ****ing dumb.Nibroc420

I take this as a compliment really. I mean even though I agree with you in this thread you're really just a big idiot douche. No offense.

Like how? It's harder really. I mean a pack of noodles is like 50 cents in my country and a cheeseburger 1.5 dollar. themajormayor

Another flaw people generally go to. Yes, you're 100% correct that when talking about buying only one meal at a time, worse food will be cheaper.
However if you were to buy for 4-5 meals at a time, the healthier food turns out being cheaper.

How can you find healthy food for that amount of money that still satisfies your hunger? Even if you can it takes alot more time to prepare and more time to find out what is healthy and make a balanced menu etc. And if you're poor you typically have less time.themajormayor

unhealthy cheeseburgers are full of starches, they dont fill you up for very long, and you end up hoping for another. There's no substance to fast food cheeseburgers.

Poor people still have 24 hours in a day, it's their choice if "they have less time". They're the ones setting their priorities, and if they chose to put more time towards eating healthier, and living a healthier lifestyIe they easily could.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Like how? It's harder really. I mean a pack of noodles is like 50 cents in my country and a cheeseburger 1.5 dollar. Nibroc420

Another flaw people generally go to. Yes, you're 100% correct that when talking about buying only one meal at a time, worse food will be cheaper.
However if you were to buy for 4-5 meals at a time, the healthier food turns out being cheaper.

How do you mean?

How can you find healthy food for that amount of money that still satisfies your hunger? Even if you can it takes alot more time to prepare and more time to find out what is healthy and make a balanced menu etc. And if you're poor you typically have less time.themajormayor

unhealthy cheeseburgers are full of starches, they dont fill you up for very long, and you end up hoping for another. There's no substance to fast food cheeseburgers.

It's 300 calories and there's some protein and fat in there. You get relatively full. It's definitely alot for just $1.5. What healthy food for that price gives you 300 calories?

Poor people still have 24 hours in a day, it's their choice if "they have less time". They're the ones setting their priorities, and if they chose to put more time towards eating healthier, and living a healthier lifestyIe they easily could.

Yes of course. I'm just saying there's an explanation why poor people generally are fatter. It's still their own choice I agree.

How do you mean?themajormayor

It's 300 calories and there's some protein and fat in there. You get relatively full. It's definitely alot for just $1.5. What healthy food for that price gives you 300 calories?themajormayor

People need more than empty calories and small bits of protein. You might get full for a little while, but the starches in the bun break down far faster than any fibre, meaning you get that "relatively full" feeling for far less time than you would if it were a healthy meal.

Yes of course. I'm just saying there's an explanation why poor people generally are fatter. It's still their own choice I agree.

themajormayor

Terrible "explainations" are often called...

Excuses.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]How do you mean?Nibroc420

Couldn't you do the same with unhealthy food? Like buy a big pack of burgers? I wouldn't know I don't go in groceries very often.

People need more than empty calories and small bits of protein. You might get full for a little while, but the starches in the bun break down far faster than any fibre, meaning you get that "relatively full" feeling for far less time than you would if it were a healthy meal.

It's not just a small bit of protein I think. It looks almost as big as the bun. You get full for quiet some time. At least for me. It's not as bad as pasta for example.

Terrible "explainations" are often called...

Excuses.

It's not a terrible explanation. It's a good explanation. Doesn't mean it's a bad excuse on individual level. I'm not poor or fat though so whatever.

I wouldn't know I don't go in groceries very often.

themajormayor

And now we all know why you think buying unhealthy food is cheaper.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]The eater and partially, the producers of such food. The eater chooses to eat the unhealthy food. However, the producers of such food are also partially guilty because the ingredients they choose make the food much cheaper compared to healthy and organic food choices. Therefore it becomes an easy choice for someone who is on a budget and can't afford to buy the healthy food.themajormayor

Healthy food is cheaper...

and no healthy food is much cheaper.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I wouldn't know I don't go in groceries very often.

Nibroc420

And now we all know why you think buying unhealthy food is cheaper.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I wouldn't know I don't go in groceries very often.

themajormayor

And now we all know why you think buying unhealthy food is cheaper.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

And now we all know why you think buying unhealthy food is cheaper.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="rastotm"]

It's normal for any animal to eat as much as possible in order to compensate for times when food is scarce, why wouldn't the same be true for humans?
In that case, the fault of obesity is the abundance of food.

Jandurin

There's generally a lack of education on what is really bad for you and should be avoided in large amounts, if at all. That is just as much at fault as the fatties themselves.

Unhealthy foods are far cheaper to produce. Combine that with our generally lazy culture and the fat can build up. I jog more when this happens because I can only afford tinned cr*p.

Then we have fast food commercials, irresponsible parents and schools/cafeterias that serve inherently unhealthy food. Blaming it exclusively on the fatties doesn't do jack to solve the problem.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]You only need 2000 calories a day, less if you sit on your ass. Wasdie

I'm 6'2" and wiegh 210, and if I take in over 2000 calories a day I gain weight. If I sit on my ass all day I burn probably 1700-1800 a day.

That 2000 a day is generous as hell and plays right into what you're saying about how we are programmed to consume more than we need.

It's the fatty that ordered the food.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] If you weigh 130 lbs and have very little muscle, definitely. Your point about moderation doesn't address my point about us being programmed by our society to consume more than we need. Moderation isn't easy when dealing with the constant stress of needing more in order to be a productive and successful member of society.sonofsmeagle

I'm 6'2" and wiegh 210, and if I take in over 2000 calories a day I gain weight. If I sit on my ass all day I burn probably 1700-1800 a day.

That 2000 a day is generous as hell and plays right into what you're saying about how we are programmed to consume more than we need.

Well considering when I controled my eating and watched my calorie intake I lost over 30lbs to date, so i'd say it's the fault of the pig over stuffing his mouth with food, or eating high calorie food without a care in the world; then when the crap hits the fan he blames the resturants like McDonalds or Burger king and sues them. Granted you shouldn't really eat there anyways but it's still their darn own fault.