Who's fault is obesity?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Mikey132"]Fruits and vegetables a readily availible in any grocery stroe.Wasdie

You can live on twinkies and water for the rest of your life and never get fat.

It's not about quality of foods but rather how you moderate your intake.

You only need 2000 calories a day, less if you sit on your ass. It doesn't matter how you get those calories just as long as you don't go over on a regular basis.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] A bag of chips, a chocolate bar and bottle of pop cost less than whole grain breads, vegetables and fruits... and contain more calorie energy and last significantly longer. Ironic that medium-to-high income groups don't have much problems with obesity.Ace6301

You can live on twinkies and water for the rest of your life and never get fat.

It's not about quality of foods but rather how you moderate your intake.

You only need 2000 calories a day, less if you sit on your ass. It doesn't matter how you get those calories just as long as you don't go over on a regular basis.

If you decide to buy a bag of chips and a pop, that's your choice. Please do not say chips are just as healthyas fruits and veggies, just don't!

My point was, it's your choice to eat what you eat. Don't take one sentence from my post and try to swing it another way!

You only need 2000 calories a day, less if you sit on your ass. Wasdie

I've always blamed two things: -Subsidization of unhealthy foods (corn/wheat industry subsidies making unhealthy foods cheap) -Lifestyles revolving around sitting/driving everywhere and infrastructure that encourages those lifestylesEngrish_Major

quoted for truth, ever since I learned about corn, I lost so much weight by avoiding it.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]You only need 2000 calories a day, less if you sit on your ass. foxhound_fox

I'm 6'2" and wiegh 210, and if I take in over 2000 calories a day I gain weight. If I sit on my ass all day I burn probably 1700-1800 a day.

That 2000 a day is generous as hell and plays right into what you're saying about how we are programmed to consume more than we need.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]The blame lies with the parents... I'd be willing to bet that every obese person started out life overweight by eating bad there entire childhoods...Mikey132

Does that prevent people making there own decisions in there 20's?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Education. People have no idea how to eat healthy, and some parents don't even care to feed their children properly.

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]The blame lies with the parents... I'd be willing to bet that every obese person started out life overweight by eating bad there entire childhoods...jeremiah06

Does that prevent people making there own decisions in there 20's?

It's the consumers fault, nobody is forcing them to eat so much. And say what you want about portion sizes at fast food joints, if your McDouble is too big, then cut it in half and save the rest for later.

BATTOSAI76

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Does that prevent people making there own decisions in there 20's?

gamerguru100

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]the eater they have control of how much they eat in a sitting, how often they eat, and how much they exercise Why would you blame McDonald's when it's Mr. Fatty ordering a soda and a fry to go with their already too fatty burger.linkin_guy109

So can OT. Every thread about what to wear or how to get a girlfriend can take 30 seconds off your life if you read it!

Well, apart from the "the persons themselves" I think it would be wise to take the society into account aswell, There is no denying that adverts have some influence on some people, the busy lifestyle can also be a factor. Aswell as psychological and physical elements.

Basicly the society we live in now, don't often leave room to take your time and make a good healthy dinner, where tv dinners and fastfood has a tendency to become substitutes.

The basic cooking skills are not taught all too well where I live either, neither is basic knowlage of food. It is no excuse in itself, but may be a contributing factor. Add to that how redicolously long commute hours some people havebetween school/work will take away hours where you could do something healthy, like taking a good long jog.

When I had my last job I had an 8 hour workday and 4 hours in bus/train (two hours each day)each day. Added to that how mantally exhausted some jobs can be, it is not hard to see that the mental wearyness from such jobs can explain obesity in some extend.

Im fairly certain that countlessstudies have pinned some jobs to have a way higher obesity rate then others, (given mental fatigue, long hours, and what not).

In the end the obvious answer is "the person themselves", but that goes for anything in life really, and people are very easilyinfluenced by nature. So while it ultimately is the person who is obese that carries the bulk of the blame, it would be foolish to discount all external factors.

It is also worth noting that ALOT of peopleare taking anti depressive medication and other kinds of medication in our society, which has the possible side effect of increased weight gain.

Its parents fault if you are still a kid, since kids are stupid

If you are adult and fat, chances are you are just mentally weak or stupid

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"] How does an obese person living with 20 years of hardwired laziness suddenly change? It is possible but not likely...jeremiah06

I remember being 15. I remember thinking for myself at that age too. I just don't think you could blame the parents for a kid being obese. Unless the kid wants to be obese, even at a young age healthy eating is not rocket science.

You almost make it sound like parents are forcing big macs down their child's throats!

The people that eat the food are just as responsible as the food they buy from whichever company such as McDonald's. They are the ones that put that type of food into their mouth and so forth.

Not the consumer. it's definitely not their fault they drink moar soda than water.

I blame global warming

Depends, if it's a kid then it's the parents fault. If it's an adult it's their own. YOU are in charge of YOUR body, not me or anyone else. If you choose not to take care of it, then that's your problem. I however choose to be healthy, why some people choose not to is beyond me and doesn't make sense.

You should love yourself, and taking care of your body is proof of that.

Although it is impotant to keep in mind that everyone does have different body types and some are going to be naturally bigger than others, like when I went to Hawii many of the native people there are big, however they are NOT obease.

There is a huge difference, there are healthy weight sizes for each person, and then there is obesity which is the complete opposite.

Tis basic math, if more goes out then comes in then you lose weight.

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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"] He was referring to people in their 20s, not people who have been obese for 20 years.Mikey132

I remember being 15. I remember thinking for myself at that age too. I just don't think you could blame the parents for a kid being obese. Unless the kid wants to be obese, even at a young age healthy eating is not rocket science.

You almost make it sound like parents are forcing big macs down their child's throats!

I don't buy that, anybody with half a brain has a rough idea of what is and isn't good for you.

TopTierHustler

Thankfully what you buy has no impact on reality.

People simply aren't educated to eat healthy.

Unless someone else is shoving unhealthy food or large portions down their pie-hole, it's their own fault.

in most cases, it's the person's own fault. if a kid is fat and it's because their parents are feeding them fast food every day and have them watch tv all the time because they don't feel like doing any parenting, then i would say it isn't the kid's fault. but if the kid gets older and wants to make a change in their lifestyle, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to lose weight.

sure there are some people that have health problems that causes them to gain weight

but when i see a fat or obese person, i blame them for their weight

With the rare exception that someone honestly has a health problem and cannot help it, I blame the individuals. There are a lot of unhealthy foods on the market, but the healthy ones are equally available within grocery stores. If people really want to trim up, no one is stopping them from eating healthier.

For children i blame parents from personal experience. i grew up as a fat child and i didn't really think about it till middle school because till that point i didn't even notice i was fat or that it even mattered. if my parents stopped me from eating unhealthy foods im sure it wouldn't of happened. but i can understand how it's hard for them to tell their child that they are fat and need to loose weight

Genes play a big part in weight, parts of your brain detect things like glucose levels, fullness of stomach, etc. Of course it's not an excuse for people to eat fast food everyday but just remember for some people it's much more difficult to maintain a healthy weight just because of genes they inherited

Its always about genes you FOOL!

Our bodies are built for a world we no longer live in. We all crave sugar because it was a luxury years ago. Now, anyone and everyone can have it, and our bodies still believe it is the greatest thing. So you could blame it on our genes NOT changing, or the fact that sugary foods are now everywhere. Or you could blame it on the lack of self control some people have.

Mfw I'm 18 and all I do is eat snacks and drink Mtn. Dew "ERRR DAY", and I only weight a couple more pounds than I did last year (a little less than 110)

There's something wrong with my body...I also need some weight sets lol.

Genes play a big part in weight, parts of your brain detect things like glucose levels, fullness of stomach, etc. Of course it's not an excuse for people to eat fast food everyday but just remember for some people it's much more difficult to maintain a healthy weight just because of genes they inherited

Bane_09

Wrong. Some people might built taller/wider ect, but never genetically FATTER.
Fatness is developed through eating more than your body can burn.

If you're lazy, and never walk/run/do things, your muscles will develop less and your metabolism will be lower; because of this you'll gain weight easier.

Lazy parents with terrible eating habits pass their laziness and terrible eating habits to children. Children see, and they learn.

I've always blamed two things: -Subsidization of unhealthy foods (corn/wheat industry subsidies making unhealthy foods cheap) -Lifestyles revolving around sitting/driving everywhere and infrastructure that encourages those lifestylesEngrish_Major

I think that's a big part of it too. For people who work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, they're definitely not going to have the time/energy to exercise on a weekday. So even if they had the will power to exercise, they only get 1 or 2 days a week where that's even possible.

genes play a part in gaining more weight but to counter that you need to watch what you eat and how much of it,on top of that get out and exersise

they get so damn fat they cant walk ontop of that they are to lazy to do anything and get disibility checks :o.when handicap people,and kids with autism actually need those checks.but no these lazy slobs get it cause of their own mistake.it's phucking bullsh!t!

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i believe its the persons fault but also most of the blame can be directed at supermarkets etc for selling junk food for cheap yet healthy food is exspensive as hell.

but really it comes down to the individual just being a lazy bastard.

It's a growing epidemic. People like to make fun of the "fat american" stereotype, but obesity rates are going up throughout the world and at alarming rates. Obviously people's genes havent changed, so what is the cause of all this fatness.

I typically put the blame on the person, but is it that simple? Portion sizes are increasing. It's hard to go anywhere and order a sensible meal. Food is avaialable in high caloric and low nutritional forms. So do you blame the food companies like McDonald's or are they just giving people what they want? Do you blame the parents and other adults for not teaching their kids better eating habits? Do you blame Canadians for having canadian bacon and maple syrup?

sonicare

You left out the fact that thereare also strong genetic factors.

Consumers. If someone cuts his/her wrist with a knife you won't blame the manufacturer either.

Whose fault is the misuse of apostrophes? thegerg

I blame the fat people with chubby fingers.

On this topic in general, the thing that has always amazed me is how completely spoiled people have become. Just a few hundred years ago, unless you were born into a wealthy family, you had to be a combination of a hard worker/hunter/gatherer and have a bit of luck in order to have enough food to eat. Now, in the United States, where there is access to all sorts of food that mimics cuisine from all across the globe, web-tch and complain because some people are too fat. For Pete's sake, we aren't that far separated from a time when each autumn, we would be worrying about whether or not we have enough reserves to last the winter.

Of course, that was then and this is now, but now all we do (and this is not just related to the "obesity problem") is find ways to blame other people, or even blame nobody (by saying it is "society's fault") for our problems.