Why are atheists hated so much?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] 1). They said that they would go to hell. Chances are they were Christian then 2). You went looking for it.Ace6301

http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Went looking for what? Persecution of Christians to justify my point? Christians aren't the only ones who believe in Hell.

http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

Snipes_2

We all know they were Christians of some form. It's just common sense. What, were they a random town of White Muslims in the center of the country?

Come on. It's just common sense. It's America, it's almost impossible for it not to be a Christian town.

However, I can even prove it. In the video, they said the persecution started when they complained about Bible studies being taught in public school.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Kashi_901"]

Sorry to say it, but some places do discriminate against atheist. I have witnessed people being discriminated against because they are atheist. Well, I where I stay u have to be the exact same as everybody else or you are a homosexual and/or a devil worshiper.

scorch-62

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

We all know they were Christians of some form. It's just common sense. What, were they a random town of White Muslims in the center of the country?

SgtKevali

Come on. It's just common sense.

However, I can even prove it. In the video, they said the persecution started when they complained about Bible studies being taught in public school.

Christians are not the only ones to use a Bible.

It's not what someone thinks if It evolves into verbal abuse or more. Trust me people do get into fights because u aren't like them, over the reasons above. It's much more than what some thinks.

Kashi_901

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What someone thinks =/= discrimination.....LJS9502_basic

I'll tell you what christians take more heat than anyone.Muslims are popular these days for some reason even though they want to kill everyone and lie about their intentions.Christians are always under fire. We have people who try and judge us by something that they don't believe in, we have many people mocking christ and when they tried to do it with the muslims......it was a problem then????????????? I'm talking about south park and that show they are making about jesus.

I will say this and I'm sure I'll get in trouble for this while a muslim would not but we christians really need to stand firm on our beliefs more than ever because we are under fire from everyone and we need to really stand up to these muslims because everyone thinks we are bad they obviously are not paying attention to whats taking place over in those muslim countries because if they take over they will kill all christians....which won't happen cause god will not let it,and any other group that does not agree with what they think and women should really look out!

[QUOTE="Kashi_901"]

It's not what someone thinks if It evolves into verbal abuse or more. Trust me people do get into fights because u aren't like them, over the reasons above. It's much more than what some thinks.

LJS9502_basic

So basically certain people being avoided or beaten for being different isn't discrimination? Just wondering if you could give me a situation where it is discrimination. I'm pretty sure not being able to go swimming just because of your skin color, religion, or sexual preference is discrimination. Yeah we did get kicked out of a swimming pool because of one of the above.

Edit: After some thought, I'm not too offended by it because the city I live in sucks, everybody is too intolerant here and you are right that isn't the definition, but it still happens and I am still a witness to it.

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] It didn't run them out of town though, They are just complaining because people won't speak with them or play with their kid. That's not running them out. Snipes_2

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

I'll tell you what christians take more heat than anyone.Muslims are popular these days for some reason even though they want to kill everyone and lie about their intentions.Christians are always under fire. We have people who try and judge us by something that they don't believe in, we have many people mocking christ and when they tried to do it with the muslims......it was a problem then????????????? I'm talking about south park and that show they are making about jesus.

I will say this and I'm sure I'll get in trouble for this while a muslim would not but we christians really need to stand firm on our beliefs more than ever because we are under fire from everyone and we need to really stand up to these muslims because everyone thinks we are bad they obviously are not paying attention to whats taking place over in those muslim countries because if they take over they will kill all christians....which won't happen cause god will not let it,and any other group that does not agree with what they think and women should really look out!

fubbal

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]So... They should just stay in a town comprised of people that hate them and won't speak to them, as well as alienate them and their kid? No, they didn't literally run them out of town, but they definitely gave them no choice, really. And uh, no. Christians and religious people are not at all persecuted as much as atheists.Pixel-Pirate

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]So... They should just stay in a town comprised of people that hate them and won't speak to them, as well as alienate them and their kid? No, they didn't literally run them out of town, but they definitely gave them no choice, really. And uh, no. Christians and religious people are not at all persecuted as much as atheists.Pixel-Pirate

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I have yet to see an Atheist "Persecuted", They weren't Tolerated in the link provided. If you look at Christianity it's under A LOT more scrutiny.

wstfld

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

Oh yeah, forgot that one to.

"Private buisness isn't advertising christian holidays so that they can instead appeal to everyone instead of some. We're being persecuted!"

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

Pixel-Pirate

Oh yeah, forgot that one to.

"Private buisness isn't advertising christian holidays so that they can instead appeal to everyone instead of some. We're being persecuted!"

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Went looking for what? Persecution of Christians to justify my point? Christians aren't the only ones who believe in Hell.

http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

Snipes_2

We all know they were Christians of some form. It's just common sense. What, were they a random town of White Muslims in the center of the country?

http://www.carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine

The link you provided is for the postition that Mormons do not believe in the Bible. :lol: Which would invalidate your case.

Anyway, I think it is beyond a reasonable doubt that this Mississippi town was not Mormon. It's about as likely as them being a town of gay muslims. :lol:

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"] Hey man. Old Navy won't used the word Christmas in their commercials! How's that for persecution?Snipes_2

Oh yeah, forgot that one to.

"Private buisness isn't advertising christian holidays so that they can instead appeal to everyone instead of some. We're being persecuted!"

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

We all know they were Christians of some form. It's just common sense. What, were they a random town of White Muslims in the center of the country?

SgtKevali

http://www.carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine

The link you provided is for the postition that Mormons do not believe in the Bible. :lol: Which would invalidate your case.

Anyway, I think it is beyond a reasonable doubt that this Mississippi town was not Mormon. It's about as likely as them being a town of gay muslims. :lol:

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_Mississippi

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"] Hey man. Old Navy won't used the word Christmas in their commercials! How's that for persecution?Snipes_2

Oh yeah, forgot that one to.

"Private buisness isn't advertising christian holidays so that they can instead appeal to everyone instead of some. We're being persecuted!"

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Oh yeah, forgot that one to.

"Private buisness isn't advertising christian holidays so that they can instead appeal to everyone instead of some. We're being persecuted!"

wstfld

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Oh yeah, forgot that one to.

"Private buisness isn't advertising christian holidays so that they can instead appeal to everyone instead of some. We're being persecuted!"

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I have yet to see an Atheist "Persecuted", They weren't Tolerated in the link provided. If you look at Christianity it's under A LOT more scrutiny.

Snipes_2

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

First link: Couldn't find any persecution in the US. Didn't pay much attention to those in islamic countries. The only one in the UK I saw wasn't persecution. Theres nothing wrong with the council removing prayer from their opening.

Second link: Couldn't find anything modern, or within the US. Even outside the US, all cases were prior to 1989. Though I did learn some things I did not about Nazis!

Third link: Not persecution of beliefs. They are under investigation of comitting a crime. Religious groups are not exempt from the law and being punished by the law is not persecution. Thats like saying if a black man is arrested, it's instantly racism.

Fourth link: Don't really get this one. The vatican is persecuting itself?

Five: Same as four.

Six: Government looking at Amish farmers for possible enviromental damage. Has nothing to do with religion.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "People don't want to play with my Kid. We're being persecuted". I don't believe anyone has claimed persecution over any of the things you brought up. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The only "persecution" I see christianity under is losing it's non-right to demand the government enforce biblical law with federal laws. Or the removal of religious phrases from a secular countries government.

That isn't persecution. Theres a big difference between "People were harassing me and coming to my house to harass me." and "The government won't make laws backed by the bible. I am being persecuted!"

Pixel-Pirate

First link: Couldn't find any persecution in the US. Didn't pay much attention to those in islamic countries. The only one in the UK I saw wasn't persecution. Theres nothing wrong with the council removing prayer from their opening.

Second link: Couldn't find anything modern, or within the US. Even outside the US, all cases were prior to 1989. Though I did learn some things I did not about Nazis!

Third link: Not persecution of beliefs. They are under investigation of comitting a crime. Religious groups are not exempt from the law and being punished by the law is not persecution. Thats like saying if a black man is arrested, it's instantly racism.

Fourth link: Don't really get this one. The vatican is persecuting itself?

Five: Same as four.

Six: Government looking at Amish farmers for possible enviromental damage. Has nothing to do with religion.

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "People don't want to play with my Kid. We're being persecuted". I don't believe anyone has claimed persecution over any of the things you brought up.

Snipes_2

It's harrassment.

Persecute: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief. (Merriam Webster)

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group. (Wikipedia)

For pretty much for the same reason that people hate christians, muslims, jews, or any religion.

It's different and people are too dumb to accept different.

I'll tell you what christians take more heat than anyone.Muslims are popular these days for some reason even though they want to kill everyone and lie about their intentions.Christians are always under fire. We have people who try and judge us by something that they don't believe in, we have many people mocking christ and when they tried to do it with the muslims......it was a problem then????????????? I'm talking about south park and that show they are making about jesus.

I will say this and I'm sure I'll get in trouble for this while a muslim would not but we christians really need to stand firm on our beliefs more than ever because we are under fire from everyone and we need to really stand up to these muslims because everyone thinks we are bad they obviously are not paying attention to whats taking place over in those muslim countries because if they take over they will kill all christians....which won't happen cause god will not let it,and any other group that does not agree with what they think and women should really look out!

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"] "People don't want to play with my Kid. We're being persecuted". I don't believe anyone has claimed persecution over any of the things you brought up.

SgtKevali

[/QUOTE

] It's harrassment. Persecute: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief. (Merriam Webster) Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group. (Wikipedia)

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Did you look at the links I posted? Snipes_2

First link: Couldn't find any persecution in the US. Didn't pay much attention to those in islamic countries. The only one in the UK I saw wasn't persecution. Theres nothing wrong with the council removing prayer from their opening.

Second link: Couldn't find anything modern, or within the US. Even outside the US, all cases were prior to 1989. Though I did learn some things I did not about Nazis!

Third link: Not persecution of beliefs. They are under investigation of comitting a crime. Religious groups are not exempt from the law and being punished by the law is not persecution. Thats like saying if a black man is arrested, it's instantly racism.

Fourth link: Don't really get this one. The vatican is persecuting itself?

Five: Same as four.

Six: Government looking at Amish farmers for possible enviromental damage. Has nothing to do with religion.

Youtube link to a news story. :roll:

Difference. It isn't just some random guy talking on YouTube.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Did you look at the links I posted? Snipes_2

First link: Couldn't find any persecution in the US. Didn't pay much attention to those in islamic countries. The only one in the UK I saw wasn't persecution. Theres nothing wrong with the council removing prayer from their opening.

Second link: Couldn't find anything modern, or within the US. Even outside the US, all cases were prior to 1989. Though I did learn some things I did not about Nazis!

Third link: Not persecution of beliefs. They are under investigation of comitting a crime. Religious groups are not exempt from the law and being punished by the law is not persecution. Thats like saying if a black man is arrested, it's instantly racism.

Fourth link: Don't really get this one. The vatican is persecuting itself?

Five: Same as four.

Six: Government looking at Amish farmers for possible enviromental damage. Has nothing to do with religion.

No? I wrote them off because they don't qualify under the definition of persecution. There is no evidence of it having anything to do with religious belief except for four and five which is within the religion so it would be the religion persecuting itself. Some I'm confused why you posted because they have nothing to do with anything. It's like you view anything done against a group that happens to be christian as targetting them due to their christianity.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I'm sure you remember that thread about the atheist kid going to camp being called devil worshiper. That was yesterday I think.Snipes_2

[/QUOTE

] It's harrassment. Persecute: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief. (Merriam Webster) Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group. (Wikipedia)

The group berating him like that is harrassment. Which if done by a group is persecution, technically.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

First link: Couldn't find any persecution in the US. Didn't pay much attention to those in islamic countries. The only one in the UK I saw wasn't persecution. Theres nothing wrong with the council removing prayer from their opening.

Second link: Couldn't find anything modern, or within the US. Even outside the US, all cases were prior to 1989. Though I did learn some things I did not about Nazis!

Third link: Not persecution of beliefs. They are under investigation of comitting a crime. Religious groups are not exempt from the law and being punished by the law is not persecution. Thats like saying if a black man is arrested, it's instantly racism.

Fourth link: Don't really get this one. The vatican is persecuting itself?

Five: Same as four.

Six: Government looking at Amish farmers for possible enviromental damage. Has nothing to do with religion.

Pixel-Pirate

No? I wrote them off because they don't qualify under the definition of persecution. There is no evidence of it having anything to do with religious belief except for four and five which is within the religion so it would be the religion persecuting itself. Some I'm confused why you posted because they have nothing to do with anything. It's like you view anything done against a group that happens to be christian as targetting them due to their christianity.

Here's another link: http://www.christianpersecution.info/

And another one posted 2 days ago :http://www.worthynews.com/1710-persecution-of-christians-growing-in-the-united-states

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"] That's not Persecution. That's people not tolerating his views.

[/QUOTE

] It's harrassment. Persecute: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief. (Merriam Webster) Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group. (Wikipedia)

SgtKevali

The group berating him like that is harrassment. Which if done by a group is persecution, technically.

tr.v. be·rat·ed, be·rat·ing, be·rates. To rebuke or scold angrily and at length

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] LAst time I checked, calling someone a name was not punishing in a manner designed for injury, grief or affliction. Especially since Atheists don't believe in that stuff.

Snipes_2

The group berating him like that is harrassment. Which if done by a group is persecution, technically.

tr.v. be·rat·ed, be·rat·ing, be·rates. To rebuke or scold angrily and at length

Calling someone a devil worshipper isn't harrassing them?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

The group berating him like that is harrassment. Which if done by a group is persecution, technically.

SgtKevali

tr.v. be·rat·ed, be·rat·ing, be·rates. To rebuke or scold angrily and at length

Calling someone a devil worshipper isn't harrassing them?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]I just realized everyone is just arguing the difference between persecution, discrimination, and intolerance... The point is, Christians get the least of all three of them, atheists get probably the most... I don't have stats, which I'm sure is a big NO-NO, but whatever.dreDREb13

Some Sikhs actually got killed after 9/11 because some idiots thought they were Muslims.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You realize you just wrote off most of the links provided for the same reason I wrote off the Youtube link right?

Snipes_2

No? I wrote them off because they don't qualify under the definition of persecution. There is no evidence of it having anything to do with religious belief except for four and five which is within the religion so it would be the religion persecuting itself. Some I'm confused why you posted because they have nothing to do with anything. It's like you view anything done against a group that happens to be christian as targetting them due to their christianity.

In the video the man specifies that people called his boss to complain that he brought an atheist to town. It also all started after they came out as atheist. There for it is likely it has to do with their atheism. I don't think the Vatican just came out to the Italian police as catholic. Nor did that Amish community suddenly come out as christian.

And no, I didn't read the entire long article. Usually they go in order from earliest date to latest. I scrolled to the bottom and after 1989 it went to references so it didn't seem to go further. Post a link specifically to the 21st century and I'll look it. I'm not going to comb wikipedia.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

The group berating him like that is harrassment. Which if done by a group is persecution, technically.

SgtKevali

tr.v. be·rat·ed, be·rat·ing, be·rates. To rebuke or scold angrily and at length

Calling someone a devil worshipper isn't harrassing them?

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]I just realized everyone is just arguing the difference between persecution, discrimination, and intolerance... The point is, Christians get the least of all three of them, atheists get probably the most... I don't have stats, which I'm sure is a big NO-NO, but whatever.LJS9502_basic

I have to agree with this, although atheism persecution does happen.

I would argue that Muslims right now probably get the most flack at least in North America. I would honestly say Agnostics, Christians and Atheists are probably the least insulted in that order. I mean how can you really fault an Agnostic? Ace6301

Most of the time, agnosticism and atheism go hand in hand, save for a few hard-core atheists who, in their opposition to religion, fail to see the irony in claiming that they 'know' that no deities exist. There really is no reason to differentiate the two.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They didn't berate him, they called him a name. Any kid that gets called a name is persecuted now?

tr.v. be·rat·ed, be·rat·ing, be·rates. To rebuke or scold angrily and at length

Snipes_2

Calling someone a devil worshipper isn't harrassing them?

I'm going to be absurd here.

How do you know they don't believe in the Devil? It's just an assumption, like me assuming that the town in the middle of Mississippi that ostracized some atheists for complaining about Bible studies was a Christian town.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

No? I wrote them off because they don't qualify under the definition of persecution. There is no evidence of it having anything to do with religious belief except for four and five which is within the religion so it would be the religion persecuting itself. Some I'm confused why you posted because they have nothing to do with anything. It's like you view anything done against a group that happens to be christian as targetting them due to their christianity.

Pixel-Pirate

In the video the man specifies that people called his boss to complain that he brought an atheist to town. It also all started after they came out as atheist. There for it is likely it has to do with their atheism. I don't think the Vatican just came out to the Italian police as catholic. Nor did that Amish community suddenly come out as christian.

And no, I didn't read the entire long article. Usually they go in order from earliest date to latest. I scrolled to the bottom and after 1989 it went to references so it didn't seem to go further. Post a link specifically to the 21st century and I'll look it. I'm not going to comb wikipedia.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Calling someone a devil worshipper isn't harrassing them?

SgtKevali

I'm going to be absurd here.

How do you know they don't believe in the Devil? It's just an assumption, like me assuming that the town in the middle of Mississippi that ostracized some atheists for complaining about Bible studies was a Christian town.

It's not assuming if they are atheist though lol.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They didn't berate him, they called him a name. Any kid that gets called a name is persecuted now?

tr.v. be·rat·ed, be·rat·ing, be·rates. To rebuke or scold angrily and at length

Ace6301

Calling someone a devil worshipper isn't harrassing them?

Hmm, that's actually a good point for this specific case.