Why are so many metalheads so elitist?

I was looking at the hevisaurus thread, and was somewhat astonished to find that there were some metalheads who were critiquing a children's heavy metal band based on the fact that they thought it wasn't metal (children's heavy metal dino band is the best idea ever.) Seriously, sometimes you have to relax and accept that there IS metal that you don't like.

Seriously. Why are so many metalheads taking metal way too seriously. I understand why metalheads would be defensive (because metal is really awesome and its really quite sad to have it be insulted by someone who thinks auto-tune IS music,) but there is seriously no need to actively seek to insult other genres such as rap, or even worse, freaking wailing on OTHER metal subgenres (which is just plain idiotic.) Sure, because there are a lot of subgenres and they are very different, it might be hard for some to accept the other metal subgenres, but the fact is that pushing they own ignorant hate on other subgenres (such as metalcore or nu-metal or industrial metal or etc) makes them no better than the people they hate the most (the people who listen to mainstream music who hate on metal even though they don't know a thing about it.) Its the same level of pathetic...

ignorance and stupidity is the way of the world, just accept it and move on.

ignorance and stupidity is the way of the world, just accept it and move on.

Dr_Manfattan

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

But there is some metal I actually like.

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

SkyWard20

I was looking at the hevisaurus thread, and was somewhat astonished to find that there were some metalheads who were critiquing a children's heavy metal band based on the fact that they thought it wasn't metal (children's heavy metal dino band is the best idea ever.) Seriously, sometimes you have to relax and accept that there IS metal that you don't like.

Seriously. Why are so many metalheads taking metal way too seriously. I understand why metalheads would be defensive (because metal is really awesome and its really quite sad to have it be insulted by someone who thinks auto-tune IS music,) but there is seriously no need to actively seek to insult other genres such as rap, or even worse, freaking wailing on OTHER metal subgenres (which is just plain idiotic.) Sure, because there are a lot of subgenres and they are very different, it might be hard for some to accept the other metal subgenres, but the fact is that pushing they own ignorant hate on other subgenres (such as metalcore or nu-metal or industrial metal or etc) makes them no better than the people they hate the most (the people who listen to mainstream music who hate on metal even though they don't know a thing about it.) Its the same level of pathetic...

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

lyeti

[QUOTE="lyeti"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="lyeti"] I wanna know why you think that. I never said that it would be okay for other metal sub-genres fans to bash on the usual trolls that like death metal or trash metal or black metal.Link334

[QUOTE="lyeti"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

SkyWard20

You were just fine voicing your opinion until you said that the subgenres require very little talent. Some of the most talented musicians to ever make music have done Thrash or Death, such as Dan Swano, Dave Mustaine, or Chuck Schuldiner. You can not like a subgenre all you want, but to say they require very little talent is ignorance at it's finest.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="lyeti"] I wanna know why you think that. I never said that it would be okay for other metal sub-genres fans to bash on the usual trolls that like death metal or trash metal or black metal.Link334

Yes, but all you are saying is your opinion which isn't based on a single fact. Its an absurd situation for people to be arguing so much over something which they don't know the slightest bit about and which is entirely subjective.

[QUOTE="Link334"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Because screaming and growling is not music. My intention is not to bash other users' preferences - I'm just saying that, for me at least, they're horrible, horrible subgenres that require very little talent. There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally just because it's theirs.lyeti

Yes, but all you are saying is your opinion which isn't based on a single fact. Its an absurd situation for people to be arguing so much over something which they don't know the slightest bit about and which is entirely subjective.

Because they need distinguish between metal and "TRVE KVLT METVL"

There are elitists in ever genre...

And I think there are a lot of people here who would say metal is crap and is an inferior genre. Plus - you think metal fans are elitist because they're critiquing a children's band? Do bands full of children ever get liked by anyone? :roll:

Eh,**** knows.I just don't like most of them.

Hell,even on here there are people like that.Eh,doesn't bother me anyway.

[QUOTE="Link334"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Because screaming and growling is not music. My intention is not to bash other users' preferences - I'm just saying that, for me at least, they're horrible, horrible subgenres that require very little talent. There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally just because it's theirs.rockerbikie

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="lyeti"] I wanna know why you think that. I never said that it would be okay for other metal sub-genres fans to bash on the usual trolls that like death metal or trash metal or black metal.Bloodaxe726

You were just fine voicing your opinion until you said that the subgenres require very little talent. Some of the most talented musicians to ever make music have done Thrash or Death, such as Dan Swano, Dave Mustaine, or Chuck Schuldiner. You can not like a subgenre all you want, but to say they require very little talent is ignorance at it's finest.

Holding their music genre of choice to high standards and in high regard is a bad thing (you said elitism, and that's what elitism is)?

ignorance and stupidity is the way of the world, just accept it and move on.

Dr_Manfattan

steve-o isn't here yet? i am betwazzled

Because they're angry?

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

[QUOTE="Link334"] Agreed. It's just obnoxious. SkyWard20

I don't hear growls in Thrash, it's just fast paced and I can understand them very well, hell I can even understand Tom Araya although at first his singing bugged me.

I can somewhat agree when it comes to hating on other genres like rap and hiphop, but metalcore and nu-metal aren't even metal, so it's understandable why metalheads won't like that stuff and would find it insulting to have lumped in with metal.

The whole hate on the dino band thing was just silly and probably done for fun or sarcasm rather than hatred.

steve-o isn't here yet? i am betwazzled

flordeceres

Betwazzled is now my favorite word ever, congratulations.

Metal elitists among metalheads prefer to bash anything that isn't "true metal" to try and flaunt, oh I dunno, how they can listen to obscure music? Usually these people think Gorguts, Portal and Anaal Nathrakh or other super obscure and/or incredibly abrasive sounding bands are the greatest gifts from the metal gods. (the only bad I really like of those 3 is Gorguts) and they proceed to call lots of other metal "lame, terrible, and commercial." What they don't realize is the majority of the metalheads in the world (maybe not the elitist ones on the internet) don't give two flying ****s about how obscure or abrasive the music they listen to is, thus they live in their little shell on the internet flaunting their elitist opinion as if they are better than other metalheads, when really they are the minority and in my opinion (and probably many other metalheads) downright annoying and stupid. I'm sorry, but if I want to talk about a metal band that I like, if your elitist ways are too "true" to listen to that band, keep your opinion to yourself I don't want to hear it.

Now for metalheads being elitist to other genres, let me ask you this. We call rap "terrible and crap" and we are being elitist. But then other people call metal "a bunch of talentless idiots bashing drums randomly, screaming into a mic as loud as they can and banging their stupid heads." But they aren't being elitist against metal? It's just a ridiculous double standard other music fans put on metalheads.

Now before you get your panties in a knot about the first part of this rant, the only people who get super offended about my rant on elitist metalheads of other metal, are those said elitists, in which case don't even bother trying to tell me "I'm wrong" because I'm not going to get into it, arguing with an elitist metalhead is about as enjoyable as bashing my head against the wall.

Metal elitists among metalheads prefer to bash anything that isn't "true metal" to try and flaunt, oh I dunno, how they can listen to obscure music? Usually these people think Gorguts, Portal and Anaal Nathrakh or other super obscure and/or incredibly abrasive sounding bands are the greatest gifts from the metal gods. (the only bad I really like of those 3 is Gorguts) and they proceed to call lots of other metal "lame, terrible, and commercial." What they don't realize is the majority of the metalheads in the world (maybe not the elitist ones on the internet) don't give two flying ****s about how obscure or abrasive the music they listen to is, thus they live in their little shell on the internet flaunting their elitist opinion as if they are better than other metalheads, when really they are the minority and in my opinion (and probably many other metalheads) downright annoying and stupid. I'm sorry, but if I want to talk about a metal band that I like, if your elitist ways are too "true" to listen to that band, keep your opinion to yourself I don't want to hear it.

Now for metalheads being elitist to other genres, let me ask you this. We call rap "terrible and crap" and we are being elitist. But then other people call metal "a bunch of talentless idiots bashing drums randomly, screaming into a mic as loud as they can and banging their stupid heads." But they aren't being elitist against metal? It's just a ridiculous double standard other music fans put on metalheads.

Now before you get your panties in a knot about the first part of this rant, the only people who get super offended about my rant on elitist metalheads of other metal, are those said elitists, in which case don't even bother trying to tell me "I'm wrong" because I'm not going to get into it, arguing with an elitist metalhead is about as enjoyable as bashing my head against the wall.

While we're on the subject of obscure music, Obscurity is a pretty good melodic metal band, and I bet you've never heard of them!-Tish-

[QUOTE="lyeti"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

SkyWard20

You're entitled to your preferences but it's absolutely incorrect to claim that death/thrash metal require very little talent. Instrumentally the two genres have some of the most talented bands out there... and also just because you don't like a form of music or a vocal style does not mean that it is not music... I despise TJB but I'd never claim they weren't music...

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]While we're on the subject of obscure music, Obscurity is a pretty good melodic metal band, and I bet you've never heard of them!Bluestorm-Kalas

People in general are elitist. XilePrincess

I'm not elitist.SkyWard20

Because screaming and growling is not music. My intention is not to bash other users' preferences - I'm just saying that, for me at least, they're horrible, horrible subgenres that require very little talent.There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally just because it's theirs.SkyWard20

There are elitists and douchetards in every scene, every genre, everything. That's just how the world is.

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]People in general are elitist. SkyWard20

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

[QUOTE="Link334"] Agreed. It's just obnoxious. SkyWard20

Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.

I don't hear growls in Thrash, it's just fast paced and I can understand them very well, hell I can even understand Tom Araya although at first his singing bugged me.Iceozo

[QUOTE="lyeti"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.

SkyWard20

I do like metal, but like another user, I think that death and black metal are pretty much useless.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"] That's funny. This is metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxLR2_wSscFind the screams and growls in it they're is none.

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