Why are some people so rich and some people so poor?

cause alot of people that are poor didnt work hard and of what i see get pregnent live off welfare

where rich people seem to work hard and study and such to get to where they want in life. if you're not going to work and be lazy then gtfo

In spite of what the Declaration of Independence says, all men are not created equal.

George W. Bush.

cause alot of people that are poor didnt work hard and of what i see get pregnent live off welfare

where rich people seem to work hard and study and such to get to where they want in life. if you're not going to work and be lazy then gtfo

almasdeathchild

where rich people seem to work hard and study and such to get to where they want in life. if you're not going to work and be lazy then gtfo

almasdeathchild

While I agree that most rich people seem to work hard, working hard does not necessarily lead to riches, for a whole mess of reasons. There's a lot of luck involved in getting rich.

There you go.

Generalizations: The Thread

Are you suggesting there should be no rich people? Everyone should get what they want without having to work for it? If so, I don't really want to live in such a society. A society where I'm not rewarded for the choices I've made is a society I don't want to live in.

Some people are born a prince

Some people are born African

There's actually a lot of people inbetween.

Some people are born a prince

Some people are born African

The_Gaming_Baby

cause alot of people that are poor didnt work hard and of what i see get pregnent live off welfare

where rich people seem to work hard and study and such to get to where they want in life. if you're not going to work and be lazy then gtfo

almasdeathchild

No matter that capitalism has improved the life of everyone in America, amirite? :roll:

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cause alot of people that are poor didnt work hard and of what i see get pregnent live off welfare

where rich people seem to work hard and study and such to get to where they want in life. if you're not going to work and be lazy then gtfo

Chris_Williams

No matter that capitalism has improved the life of everyone in America, amirite? :roll:

airshocker

You can use the same argument for slavery.RushKing

No you can't. Slavery doesn't improve the life of the slaves. Capitalism improves the lives of everyone.

You people blaming this on capitalism, is that solely on capitalism? I would assume yes, because you don't mention anything else, but I want to be sure.

[QUOTE="RushKing"]You can use the same argument for slavery.airshocker

No you can't. Slavery doesn't improve the life of the slaves.

[QUOTE="RushKing"]You can use the same argument for slavery.airshocker

No you can't. Slavery doesn't improve the life of the slaves. Capitalism improves the lives of everyone.

Capitalism improves the lives of everyone.

airshocker

Except for those whose lives it does not improve.

Keep fighting the good fight, though. We could use a new Vuurk... You know, for lulz.

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[QUOTE="RushKing"]You can use the same argument for slavery.horgen123

No you can't. Slavery doesn't improve the life of the slaves. Capitalism improves the lives of everyone.

You people blaming this on capitalism, is that solely on capitalism? I would assume yes, because you don't mention anything else, but I want to be sure.

Palantas

If we were still living under the umbrella of feudalism, we wold blame feudalism. If we were in ancient Rome, we'd blame slavery.

Would you like us to just go ahead and act like imbeciles and say that poor people are always lazy?

Has it really? I mean do the common worker have more money to spend on things now than lets say the 1970's?

horgen123

Now you're getting into things unrelated to capitalism. Capitalism, by and large, has improved the lives of everyone in this country. You can't deny it.

And I am a common worker. I don't have a college degree. Under socialism I'd be mediocre. Capitalism has made my life what it is today.

If we were still living under the umbrella of feudalism, we wold blame feudalism. If we were in ancient Rome, we'd blame slavery.

LordQuorthon

That's not really an argument, though I don't suppose you intend it to be.

Would you like us to just go ahead and act like imbeciles and say that poor people are always lazy?

LordQuorthon

No.

It gave some of them food, but that doesn't make it right.RushKing

Where did I say slavery was right?

Except for those whose lives it does not improve.

Keep fighting the good fight, though. We could use a new Vuurk... You know, for lulz.

LordQuorthon

Comparing me to Vuurk makes you look like an idiot. Almost as much of an idiot as believing capitalism hasn't improved the life of everyone in this country.

[QUOTE="RushKing"]It gave some of them food, but that doesn't make it right.airshocker

Where did I say slavery was right?

Poor people are stupidthemajormayor

Rich people are evilkuraimen

[QUOTE="horgen123"]Has it really? I mean do the common worker have more money to spend on things now than lets say the 1970's?

airshocker

Now you're getting into things unrelated to capitalism. Capitalism, by and large, has improved the lives of everyone in this country. You can't deny it.

And I am a common worker. I don't have a college degree. Under socialism I'd be mediocre. Capitalism has made my life what it is today.

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

Except for those whose lives it does not improve.

Keep fighting the good fight, though. We could use a new Vuurk... You know, for lulz.

airshocker

Comparing me to Vuurk makes you look like an idiot. Almost as much of an idiot as believing capitalism hasn't improved the life of everyone in this country.

Has it though? Has it improved the lives of people who come down with cancer because of carconigenic materials pumped into the environment? Has it improved the lives of people who suddenly find themselves unemployed and unable to support their families because the company figured it was more profitable to move the factory overseas?

[QUOTE="RushKing"]You can use the same argument for slavery.airshocker

No you can't. Slavery doesn't improve the life of the slaves. Capitalism improves the lives of everyone.

That must be why the buying power of the average American citizen has dropped by 20% in the last 20 years.

You said it didn't improve any lives.RushKing

I said it didn't improve the lives of the slaves. Either represent what I say correctly, or we're done talking.

I never said slavery was right.

Sure you not mean that the plenty ideas that people have had throughout times have improved your life? horgen123

Without capitalism how many of those ideas would even exist?

Has it though? Has it improved the lives of people who come down with cancer because of carconigenic materials pumped into the environment? Has it improved the lives of people who suddenly find themselves unemployed and unable to support their families because the company figured it was more profitable to move the factory overseas?

worlock77

I believe it has. Without capitalism we wouldn't have the internet. No taxes from capitalism means no funding for DARPA, after all. Without capitalism how many of the medical breakthroughs that we've had today would even exist?

You're blaming only capitalism for that second example? What about the role government played in forcing that business to go overseas?

[QUOTE="horgen123"]Sure you not mean that the plenty ideas that people have had throughout times have improved your life? airshocker

Without capitalism how many of those ideas would even exist?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Has it though? Has it improved the lives of people who come down with cancer because of carconigenic materials pumped into the environment? Has it improved the lives of people who suddenly find themselves unemployed and unable to support their families because the company figured it was more profitable to move the factory overseas?

airshocker

I believe it has. Without capitalism we wouldn't have the internet. No taxes from capitalism means no funding for DARPA, after all. Without capitalism how many of the medical breakthroughs that we've had today would even exist?

You're blaming only capitalism for that second example? What about the role government played in forcing that business to go overseas?

Well in a specific example I had in mind the government (state) had actually granted the company tens of millions of dollars to build a new factory (as the company argued that the old factory was too out of date to meet their needs) in the town. The company did indeed build the factory, then hauled ass over to China barely before the morter on the final brick was dry.

Well in a specific example I had in mind the government (state) had actually granted the company tens of millions of dollars to build a new factory (as the company argued that the old factory was too out of date to meet their needs) in the town. The company did indeed build the factory, then hauled ass over to China barely before the morter on the final brick was dry.

worlock77

Well that's crony-capitalism and I don't support that.

Well that's crony-capitalism and I don't support that.

airshocker

Capitalism is awesome except when it isn't.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well in a specific example I had in mind the government (state) had actually granted the company tens of millions of dollars to build a new factory (as the company argued that the old factory was too out of date to meet their needs) in the town. The company did indeed build the factory, then hauled ass over to China barely before the morter on the final brick was dry.

airshocker

Well that's crony-capitalism and I don't support that.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well in a specific example I had in mind the government (state) had actually granted the company tens of millions of dollars to build a new factory (as the company argued that the old factory was too out of date to meet their needs) in the town. The company did indeed build the factory, then hauled ass over to China barely before the morter on the final brick was dry.

airshocker

Well that's crony-capitalism and I don't support that.

Oh I wasn't arguing that the state giving the company the money was capitalistic. Just saying that it didn't really seem like the government was forcing the company overseas.

At any rate I'm not going to try to argue that capitalism is evil. I just don't buy into the idea that it's this totally wonderful thing that benefits everyone (hell the name itself implies that at some point in the chain you're capitalizing on (ie: taking advantage of) somebody else). It is like any other human system - imperfect and with its own set of pros and cons.