Why can't good music be mainstream?

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#51 Shmiity
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Its still there. "Mr Brightside" was the most requested song of the decade, gotta mean something. The Strokesstarted the biggest contract bidding war ever. Whenever there isa band in the charts, music is at its greatest. The Vaccines are blowing up right now, which is a good thing.

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#52 CaptainAhab13
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Because unfortunately not everyone loves classical music and bluegrass.
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#53 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Because if you liked mainstream music you wouldn't be a hipster.Reed_Bowie

What he said.

Am I still a hipster if I listen to bands and artists that were mainstream decades ago?

To an extent. I'm a real hipster. I listen to music that's so not mainstream you can't even find it on Youtube.
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#54 Tokugawa77
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Because the it wouldn't be good. The perception that mainstream music is bad is generally just psychological, as obscure bands that certain demographics like will sometimes pick up a mainstream audience, at which point the old fans will stop liking it merely because the band has gone "mainstream" and their music hasn't actually changed. Granted, there is a lot of mainstream music which is actually utter crap, but those tend to be more numerous in the hip hop genre, which I presume you don't like anyway.

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#55 commonfate
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There is plenty of good music that is mainstream.

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#56 stevoqwerty
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I think mainstream music is good alot of the times. Just look at Taylor Swift for example? I love her music.

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Her music is not good, her music is EPIC!!!!! :P Anyway thumb up for mentioning her.

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#57 Michael0134567
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Isn't Green Day and Lady Gaga mainstream?

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#58 shadowkiller11
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I know most mainstream music are mostly abysmal generic manufactured cash ins from already established bands/artists but their are some rare songs that are okay. Though I must say mainstream music today has gotten worse compared to the 90s early 2000.
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#59 DarkFadi
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cuz life sucks like that >.< .

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#60 Reed_Bowie
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Isn't Green Day and Lady Gaga mainstream?

Michael0134567

my point exactly

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#61 OrkHammer007
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Good music rarely makes it to the mainstream because it's too risky for a major label to promote anything but the paint-by-numbers singers and musicians.

"Music" like Lady Gaga and Katy Perry appeals to a broad base of people. They don't care if it's generic beats, electronically-processed melody and lyrics written by commitee to invoke the same emotions as the other 15 trillion pop songs on the radio... they just want something they can jump around a dance floor to.

Thought provoking and relevant? "That's so 1960's." Experimental? "Isn't that what Pink Floyd was for?" Hard-edged or gritty? "Yeah... that's Nickelback!"

If something fresh and original does make it to pop radio, you can almost bet it's an accident, and it won't happen again for a while.

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#62 firefluff3
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It doesnt actually make sense, kids obviously download most of their music and yet it's music targeted at that demographic that sells, it doesn't actually make sense.

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#63 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I always find these threads hilarious.. Its always about some one crying about music that they don't like and think they are the intelligent ones, and the ones with taste.. Sorry your not a genious, your not some expert, seriously the pompus drivel I am reading in this thread is making me sick to my stomach.. The fact of the matter is music is subjective and abstract.. Just because you do not like the music doesn't mean its crap, doesn't mean its shallow or many other things..
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#64 Celldrax
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I listen to plenty of mainstream metal :P

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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Isn't Green Day and Lady Gaga mainstream?

Reed_Bowie

my point exactly

Lady Gaga isn't too bad. Green day is beyond awful though
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#66 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Isn't Green Day and Lady Gaga mainstream?

Reed_Bowie

my point exactly

Yeah they're good :|.
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#67 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Isn't Green Day and Lady Gaga mainstream?

imaps3fanboy

my point exactly

Lady Gaga isn't too bad. Green day is beyond awful though

:lol: Whatever floats your boat.

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#68 arad96
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[QUOTE="arad96"]

I think mainstream music is good alot of the times. Just look at Taylor Swift for example? I love her music.

Brutal_Elitegs


I wasn't aware Glee did a Taylor Swift cover.

edit: wait, never mind, you didn't even mention Glee.



You automatically assume I am talking about Glee? :lol:

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#69 VanDammFan
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I always find these threads hilarious.. Its always about some one crying about music that they don't like and think they are the intelligent ones, and the ones with taste.. Sorry your not a genious, your not some expert, seriously the pompus drivel I am reading in this thread is making me sick to my stomach.. The fact of the matter is music is subjective and abstract.. Just because you do not like the music doesn't mean its crap, doesn't mean its shallow or many other things.. sSubZerOo

THIS along with my reply wins..

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I always find these threads hilarious.. Its always about some one crying about music that they don't like and think they are the intelligent ones, and the ones with taste.. Sorry your not a genious, your not some expert, seriously the pompus drivel I am reading in this thread is making me sick to my stomach.. The fact of the matter is music is subjective and abstract.. Just because you do not like the music doesn't mean its crap, doesn't mean its shallow or many other things.. sSubZerOo

I always find these posts hilarious.....Its always someone who thinks they are such a bad ass for calling the topic creater "arrogant" when he's just stating his preference of music.

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#71 Reed_Bowie
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[QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Isn't Green Day and Lady Gaga mainstream?

Michael0134567

my point exactly

Yeah they're good :|.

Yep they are great.....*WAYNES WORLD REFERENCE*

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I always find these threads hilarious.. Its always about some one crying about music that they don't like and think they are the intelligent ones, and the ones with taste.. Sorry your not a genious, your not some expert, seriously the pompus drivel I am reading in this thread is making me sick to my stomach.. The fact of the matter is music is subjective and abstract.. Just because you do not like the music doesn't mean its crap, doesn't mean its shallow or many other things.. Reed_Bowie

I always find these posts hilarious.....Its always someone who thinks they are such a bad ass for calling the topic creater "arrogant" when he's just stating his preference of music.

And talking like it's a fact.
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#73 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

my point exactly

Reed_Bowie

Yeah they're good :|.

Yep they are great.....*WAYNES WORLD REFERENCE*

Okay lol.
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#74 helwa1988
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[QUOTE="helwa1988"]People want to listen to crap nowadays. Plain and simple. You got people saying how lady gaga is the greatest artist of our time. And Justin beiber getting nominated for Grammys. You critics praising trash like Keisha and Katy perry .VanDammFan

Well, regardless of how you feel about Gaga...she is quite talented and can sing great..she is good...Beiber on the other hand doesnt have much going for him. Ordinary dance, very normal voice...BUT still...EVERYONE has their own opinion on what GREAT is so no matter what anyone else thinks, it changes from person to person..

there is nothing unique about gaga. her whole style and act is taken from grace jones and madonna. sorry but i think the girl is full of crap. people like adele and amy winehouse(so sad to see such talent die) have raw talent.

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#75 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="helwa1988"]People want to listen to crap nowadays. Plain and simple. You got people saying how lady gaga is the greatest artist of our time. And Justin beiber getting nominated for Grammys. You critics praising trash like Keisha and Katy perry .helwa1988

Well, regardless of how you feel about Gaga...she is quite talented and can sing great..she is good...Beiber on the other hand doesnt have much going for him. Ordinary dance, very normal voice...BUT still...EVERYONE has their own opinion on what GREAT is so no matter what anyone else thinks, it changes from person to person..

there is nothing unique about gaga. her whole style and act is taken from grace jones and madonna. sorry but i think the girl is full of crap. people like adele and amy winehouse(so sad to see such talent die) have raw talent.

EVERY great artist takes things from other great artists. AND if you think Amy Winhouse is great , that is your first problem. Calling someone like Gaga who can actually carry a tune and play instruments no talent is like saying KING MICHAEL JACKSON had no talent and over shadowed real talent..lol..

Amy Winehouse had ONE song I ever heard..AND I bet most of her die hard fans hated that sone because it so mainstream..lol..BUT srs, everyone has the right to worship and like what ever music,ect they want..there are no rules to it..Some people thought the Beetles were genius..I on the other hand didnt care much for them..

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#76 Lost-Memory
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Because mainstream people do not like good music.
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#77 NukaNuked
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Katy Perry is secretly a ****'ing genius.

I mean seriously....come on.

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#78 Michael0134567
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Because mainstream people do not like good music.Lost-Memory
Is that a fact?
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#79 black_cat19
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Why can't anyone seem to accept that music taste is entirely subjective?scorch-62

Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

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#80 black_cat19
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[QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I always find these threads hilarious.. Its always about some one crying about music that they don't like and think they are the intelligent ones, and the ones with taste.. Sorry your not a genious, your not some expert, seriously the pompus drivel I am reading in this thread is making me sick to my stomach.. The fact of the matter is music is subjective and abstract.. Just because you do not like the music doesn't mean its crap, doesn't mean its shallow or many other things.. Michael0134567

I always find these posts hilarious.....Its always someone who thinks they are such a bad ass for calling the topic creater "arrogant" when he's just stating his preference of music.

And talking like it's a fact.

Just like you say Lady Gaga is good like it was a fact. Just sayin'...

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#81 shadowkiller11
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Why can't anyone seem to accept that music taste is entirely subjective?black_cat19

Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

Agreed. Though if an individual's music taste is of generic average beats then he will be in love with alot of music today in particular to the hip hop scene as of late.
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#82 battlefront23
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Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

black_cat19

Do expand.

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#83 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

I always find these posts hilarious.....Its always someone who thinks they are such a bad ass for calling the topic creater "arrogant" when he's just stating his preference of music.

black_cat19

And talking like it's a fact.

Just like you say Lady Gaga is good like it was a fact. Just sayin'...

Lol what?
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#84 dkdk999
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[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

battlefront23

Do expand.

yes do. (seriously I wanna hear this.)
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#85 deactivated-5e7f8a21de9dd
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Because good music isn't marketable.

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[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] And talking like it's a fact.Michael0134567

Just like you say Lady Gaga is good like it was a fact. Just sayin'...

Lol what?

was it not you who said Lady Gaga and Greenday were good?

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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Just like you say Lady Gaga is good like it was a fact. Just sayin'...

Reed_Bowie

Lol what?

was it not you who said Lady Gaga and Greenday were good?

Whoa there Green Day is great songwriters but crappy musicians. Their songs are 4 chords because that's all they can play, but the 4 chords they use are almost always original, not just a D-C-G sort of thing.
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#88 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Why can't anyone seem to accept that music taste is entirely subjective?black_cat19
Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

Care to explain?
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[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Why can't anyone seem to accept that music taste is entirely subjective?scorch-62
Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

Care to explain?

I believe he's talking about the fact that music is subjective...ie what one enjoys....and objective...ie the talent inherent in the individual(s) that create the music.
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Mainstream is on its last legs anyway. TV and radio no longer have a monopoly on what music you're exposed to and have access to.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="black_cat19"] Music taste is subjective, music quality isn't.

Care to explain?

I believe he's talking about the fact that music is subjective...ie what one enjoys....and objective...ie the talent inherent in the individual(s) that create the music.

I think I'll wait for him say it, kthx.
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Mainstream is on its last legs anyway. TV and radio no longer have a monopoly on what music you're exposed to and have access to.jimmyjammer69
I hope so.....what gets the majority of the attention is uninteresting. Not to say some talented bands haven't gotten the odd song on the radio...but when you look at their body of work...it's usually on a song or two.:(
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Care to explain?

I believe he's talking about the fact that music is subjective...ie what one enjoys....and objective...ie the talent inherent in the individual(s) that create the music.

I think I'll wait for him say it, kthx.

He did say it.....:|
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I believe he's talking about the fact that music is subjective...ie what one enjoys....and objective...ie the talent inherent in the individual(s) that create the music.

I think I'll wait for him say it, kthx.

He did say it.....:|

No, he didn't. You did. I asked him to explain his statement, not you.
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] I think I'll wait for him say it, kthx.

He did say it.....:|

No, he didn't. You did. I asked him to explain his statement, not you.

No what I posted came from HIS idea in HIS post.
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#97 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Just like you say Lady Gaga is good like it was a fact. Just sayin'...

Reed_Bowie

Lol what?

was it not you who said Lady Gaga and Greenday were good?

Yeah they're good,as in they have talent.
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[QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] Lol what?Michael0134567

was it not you who said Lady Gaga and Greenday were good?

Yeah they're good,as in they have talent.

Playing the same four simplistic chords every song =/= talent tre cool has to be one of the most boring drummers I've ever heard and billie joe sounds like a 13 year old, and acts like one too
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#99 Teenaged
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Sure it can.

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#100 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="Reed_Bowie"]

was it not you who said Lady Gaga and Greenday were good?

imaps3fanboy

Yeah they're good,as in they have talent.

Playing the same four simplistic chords every song =/= talent tre cool has to be one of the most boring drummers I've ever heard and billie joe sounds like a 13 year old, and acts like one too

Lol okay,whatever you say.I guess their albums get great reviews for no reason.