why do americans hate free health care

Im English and love it :Pedd678

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. Elraptor

The Government is corrupt and i don't want them deciding whether i live or die. What is going to happen when the government needs to cut spending? What will happen when the government fails and all that is left are the businesses? I see how much they care about the roads and i don't want to look like that.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.edd678

Not really...

Canadian Health Care is the best.
EVOLV3

Thats is why people from the world over push to come to Canada for medical help...right?

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pwizard90

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

"Free" health care is only free to those who don't pay taxes.Oleg_Huzwog

Nothing (NOTHING) on Earth is free...no products/services, anyways.

Your "free" health care isn't free. You pay higher taxes to make it SEEM free. The reason why us Americans don't want socialist health care (the CORRECT way to call it) is because it means higher taxes.

[QUOTE="edd678"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.cool_baller

Not really...

So to pay for healthcare we just mainly taxthe rich? No, everyone is taxed for healthcare.

[QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pedd678

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

You got health insurance?

Nothing (NOTHING) on Earth is free...no products/services, anyways.

Your "free" health care isn't free. You pay higher taxes to make it SEEM free. The reason why us Americans don't want socialist health care (the CORRECT way to call it) is because it means higher taxes.

scorch-62

[QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.cool_baller

Not really...

Yeah it is. As is social security and other stuff like that.

Socialist, communist... what's the difference?

[QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pjames28893

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

You got health insurance?

Nope, i pay taxes like the rest of us in England for the NHS. And im glad i do. I like the fact that if i go to hospital i dont have to worry about footing a bill i cannot afford when i get out. As i have said i have been to hospital 3 tiems now for relatively serious matters. If i had to foot the bill for the GOOD services i recieved i would be in serious debt.

[QUOTE="cool_baller"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.scorch-62

Not really...

Yeah it is. As is social security and other stuff like that.

Socialist, communist... what's the difference?

[QUOTE="sca321"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.mattyftm

And what is wrong with communism??

I would rather live in a leninist russia. Lenin was a genious. Unfortunately stalin took over and ****ed it up big time. Most communist states have been corrupted into totalitarianism. Rather than spreading the wealth the leader keeps all the wealth to himself. Lenins Regime wasn't like this and actualy worked.

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. XileLord

Personally i love this country's laws and i don't think i could ever live in the U.S. Paying to see a doctor is just not normal......

Just the other day i was watching a movie that was based on a true story when a dad and mom were poor and there kid needed a heart transplant or he would die. Guess what? The family didn't have the money and they threw the kid out like nothing.

Anybody who calls that "Awesome health care" are just.....woah.

Why then do you agree with free education? Free transportation (ROADS)? Free government subsidies to various businesses? Free defense? Why are all these things guaranteed in the American psyche as something we absolutely must have, and not healthcare?
quiglythegreat

Transportation and defense are built around the public, not the individual. They're not things that can be privatized.

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. achilles614

Personally i love this country's laws and i don't think i could ever live in the U.S. Paying to see a doctor is just not normal......

Just the other day i was watching a movie that was based on a true story when a dad and mom were poor and there kid needed a heart transplant or he would die. Guess what? The family didn't have the money and they threw the kid out like nothing.

Anybody who calls that "Awesome health care" are just.....woah.

[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pedd678

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

You got health insurance?

Nope, i pay taxes liek the rest of us in England for the NHS. And im glad i do. I liek the fact that if i go to hospital i dont have to worry about footing a bill i cannot afford when i get out. As i have said i have been to hospital 3 tiems now for relatively serious matters. If i had to foot the bill for the services i recieved i would be in serious debt.

I'm a Brit too, my experience (and several of my friends) with the NHS ahs been pretty poor. That's why I have health insurance, so I don't ever have to cope with massive bills, but I don't have to wait a year for treatment. The only thing the NHS is good for is consuming resources (42% (serious) of the UK's budget last year was spent on healthcare and social services) and for prescription medication (one of my friends has type one diabetes (the genetic one) and is given his insulin by the NHS).

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Since when is buying your right to live a common service:|
bman784

Providing medical care is a service.

[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. bman784

Personally i love this country's laws and i don't think i could ever live in the U.S. Paying to see a doctor is just not normal......

Just the other day i was watching a movie that was based on a true story when a dad and mom were poor and there kid needed a heart transplant or he would die. Guess what? The family didn't have the money and they threw the kid out like nothing.

Anybody who calls that "Awesome health care" are just.....woah.

I don't know. Lets just have the government provide our food and cars and computers too. They do such a great job at it.

[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. bman784

Personally i love this country's laws and i don't think i could ever live in the U.S. Paying to see a doctor is just not normal......

Just the other day i was watching a movie that was based on a true story when a dad and mom were poor and there kid needed a heart transplant or he would die. Guess what? The family didn't have the money and they threw the kid out like nothing.

Anybody who calls that "Awesome health care" are just.....woah.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]

Nothing (NOTHING) on Earth is free...no products/services, anyways.

Your "free" health care isn't free. You pay higher taxes to make it SEEM free. The reason why us Americans don't want socialist health care (the CORRECT way to call it) is because it means higher taxes.quiglythegreat

Then why does the government provide so many other services for us already if that is a more expensive way of acquiring these services?

Do taxes mean nothing to you? We pay taxes for everything. Education? Comes outta tax money. Armed forces? That's tax money right there. Health care is optional, here in America. If you have health coverage, good for you. If you don't... not so much. In order for EVERYONE to have guaranteed health care, taxes would go up so the government can pay for it.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Why then do you agree with free education? Free transportation (ROADS)? Free government subsidies to various businesses? Free defense? Why are all these things guaranteed in the American psyche as something we absolutely must have, and not healthcare?
Oleg_Huzwog

Transportation and defense are built around the public, not the individual. They're not things that can be privatized.

Well, the UK's government is trying to institute a pay per mile road tax.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Why then do you agree with free education? Free transportation (ROADS)? Free government subsidies to various businesses? Free defense? Why are all these things guaranteed in the American psyche as something we absolutely must have, and not healthcare?
Oleg_Huzwog

Transportation and defense are built around the public, not the individual. They're not things that can be privatized.

I'm a Brit too, my experience (and several of my friends) with the NHS ahs been pretty poor. That's why I have health insurance, so I don't ever have to cope with massive bills, but I don't have to wait a year for treatment. The only thing the NHS is good for is consuming resources (42% (serious) of the UK's budget last year was spent on healthcare and social services) and for prescription medication (one of my friends has type one diabetes (the genetic one) and is given his insulin by the NHS).

james28893

Indeed...one of the problems with socialized medicine is long waiting lists for necessary care. And it doesn't bode well for confidence when individuals that reside in a country with such healthcare and pay the high taxes purchase their own insurance for proper care.

[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. bman784

Personally i love this country's laws and i don't think i could ever live in the U.S. Paying to see a doctor is just not normal......

Just the other day i was watching a movie that was based on a true story when a dad and mom were poor and there kid needed a heart transplant or he would die. Guess what? The family didn't have the money and they threw the kid out like nothing.

Anybody who calls that "Awesome health care" are just.....woah.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]

Nothing (NOTHING) on Earth is free...no products/services, anyways.

Your "free" health care isn't free. You pay higher taxes to make it SEEM free. The reason why us Americans don't want socialist health care (the CORRECT way to call it) is because it means higher taxes.scorch-62

Then why does the government provide so many other services for us already if that is a more expensive way of acquiring these services?

Do taxes mean nothing to you? We pay taxes for everything. Education? Comes outta tax money. Armed forces? That's tax money right there. Health care is optional, here in America. If you have health coverage, good for you. If you don't... not so much. In order for EVERYONE to have guaranteed health care, taxes would go up so the government can pay for it.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]"Free" health care is only free to those who don't pay taxes.quiglythegreat

Free education is agreeable because in a capitalist society, we are inclined to let everyone have an equal chance at oppurtunity.

Free transportation (ROADS)? Agreeable because this nation and her people seeked to industrialize to create better oppurtunities.

Free government subsidies? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Free defense? It's agreeable because we need a military to protect the USA, her citizens, and her interests. Part of protecting the US means defending a nation in which oppurtinity is ample and open to everyone capable. Besides, you can always buy defense if you don't have faith in the US military.

Free healthcare? We have that to a small extent. The poor are given government assistance. Middle income cla$$ families can afford health insurance - and so can the rich. So how is that a problem?

[QUOTE="bman784"].

Since when is buying your right to live a common service:|
LJS9502_basic

Providing medical care is a service.

"theres no such thing as a free lunch"LoG-Sacrament

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. crazychris

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

correction.. the doctor cares about your money.. thats why he wont treat you for free ;)

Yes, but to me it seems very wrong treating human life as a commodity.
bman784

Anyone in this county in desperate need of medical care receives it. Where is the problem? Is it in having to pay for what one receives?

[QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pjames28893

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

You got health insurance?

Nope, i pay taxes liek the rest of us in England for the NHS. And im glad i do. I liek the fact that if i go to hospital i dont have to worry about footing a bill i cannot afford when i get out. As i have said i have been to hospital 3 tiems now for relatively serious matters. If i had to foot the bill for the services i recieved i would be in serious debt.

I'm a Brit too, my experience (and several of my friends) with the NHS ahs been pretty poor. That's why I have health insurance, so I don't ever have to cope with massive bills, but I don't have to wait a year for treatment. The only thing the NHS is good for is consuming resources (42% (serious) of the UK's budget last year was spent on healthcare and social services) and for prescription medication (one of my friends has type one diabetes (the genetic one) and is given his insulin by the NHS).

Yer i think the NHS is very varried. Some peopel get great treatment liek myself and otehrs not so good liek you. Where abouts in England do you live? I live in Colchester in east anglia about 40 mins train ride from London.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]"Free" health care is only free to those who don't pay taxes.The_Ish

Free education is agreeable because in a capitalist society, we are inclined to let everyone have an equal chance at oppurtunity.

Free transportation (ROADS)? Agreeable because this nation and her people seeked to industrialize to create better oppurtunities.

Free government subsidies? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Free defense? It's agreeable because we need a military to protect the USA, her citizens, and her interests. Part of protecting the US means defending a nation in which oppurtinity is ample and open to everyone capable. Besides, you can always buy defense if you don't have faith in the US military.

Free healthcare? We have that to a small extent. The poor are given government assistance. Middle income cla$$ families can afford health insurance - and so can the rich. So how is that a problem?

[QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. muppet1010

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

correction.. the doctor cares about your money.. thats why he wont treat you for free ;)

If the doctor wants more money he will provide better service.

[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pedd678

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

You got health insurance?

Nope, i pay taxes liek the rest of us in England for the NHS. And im glad i do. I liek the fact that if i go to hospital i dont have to worry about footing a bill i cannot afford when i get out. As i have said i have been to hospital 3 tiems now for relatively serious matters. If i had to foot the bill for the services i recieved i would be in serious debt.

I'm a Brit too, my experience (and several of my friends) with the NHS ahs been pretty poor. That's why I have health insurance, so I don't ever have to cope with massive bills, but I don't have to wait a year for treatment. The only thing the NHS is good for is consuming resources (42% (serious) of the UK's budget last year was spent on healthcare and social services) and for prescription medication (one of my friends has type one diabetes (the genetic one) and is given his insulin by the NHS).

Yer i think the NHS is very varried. Some peopel get great treatment liek myself and otehrs not so good liek you. Where abouts in England do you live? I live in Colchester in east anglia about 40 mins train ride from London.

Wimbledon. I have never been to the tennis courts.

[QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. hoola

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

correction.. the doctor cares about your money.. thats why he wont treat you for free ;)

If the doctor wants more money he will provide better service.

I'm a Brit too, my experience (and several of my friends) with the NHS ahs been pretty poor. That's why I have health insurance, so I don't ever have to cope with massive bills, but I don't have to wait a year for treatment. The only thing the NHS is good for is consuming resources (42% (serious) of the UK's budget last year was spent on healthcare and social services) and for prescription medication (one of my friends has type one diabetes (the genetic one) and is given his insulin by the NHS).james28893

That's another thing about socialist health care. The possible massive wait. :|

What's your excuse for education?
quiglythegreat

A basic necessity to break the cycle of poverty. Otherwise, I'd be in favor of replacing the public system with a fully privatized one.

[QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="edd678"][QUOTE="wizard90"]

[QUOTE="edd678"]Im English and love it :Pjames28893

You dont know alot about the NHS... and its not free, far from it.

When did i say it was free? Oh and im sorry i didnt know you controleld my mind and knew about the experiences i have had with the NHS :roll:

You got health insurance?

Nope, i pay taxes liek the rest of us in England for the NHS. And im glad i do. I liek the fact that if i go to hospital i dont have to worry about footing a bill i cannot afford when i get out. As i have said i have been to hospital 3 tiems now for relatively serious matters. If i had to foot the bill for the services i recieved i would be in serious debt.

I'm a Brit too, my experience (and several of my friends) with the NHS ahs been pretty poor. That's why I have health insurance, so I don't ever have to cope with massive bills, but I don't have to wait a year for treatment. The only thing the NHS is good for is consuming resources (42% (serious) of the UK's budget last year was spent on healthcare and social services) and for prescription medication (one of my friends has type one diabetes (the genetic one) and is given his insulin by the NHS).

Yer i think the NHS is very varried. Some peopel get great treatment liek myself and otehrs not so good liek you. Where abouts in England do you live? I live in Colchester in east anglia about 40 mins train ride from London.

Wimbledon. I have never been to the tennis courts.

Lol, i have :) :P Not really that far away from me then :shock:

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Nothing (NOTHING) on Earth is free...no products/services, anyways.

Your "free" health care isn't free. You pay higher taxes to make it SEEM free. The reason why us Americans don't want socialist health care (the CORRECT way to call it) is because it means higher taxes.quiglythegreat

Then why does the government provide so many other services for us already if that is a more expensive way of acquiring these services?

Do taxes mean nothing to you? We pay taxes for everything. Education? Comes outta tax money. Armed forces? That's tax money right there. Health care is optional, here in America. If you have health coverage, good for you. If you don't... not so much. In order for EVERYONE to have guaranteed health care, taxes would go up so the government can pay for it.

Right. I understand all that. Which is why I ask why people find it acceptable that the government pays for so many other services but not healthcare.

They don't. We do. We pay them taxes and they put our tax dollars to use.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]What's your excuse for education?
Oleg_Huzwog

A basic necessity to break the cycle of poverty. Otherwise, I'd be in favor of replacing the public system with a fully privatized one.

Well, why is it that education's availibility is more important than healthcare? I should think that stitching up a cut professionally rather than letting it get infected and amputated is more important than teaching our children how to read and write, which is a service most people can afford anyway.

quiglythegreat

No, most people can't afford to teach their children everything they need or would want to know. Boarding and private schools cost a ****load of money, if you havn't noticed - and they're standards are monitored by the government, which makes sure they don't suck so as kids who attend these private institutions are not at a disadvantage.

Free government subsidies, as in, all government subsidies are free, and they all cost the government money. We probably spend as much on subsidizing agriculture as we would on healthcare.

quiglythegreat

That is because a nation needs a proper agricultural industry to survive. I don't know...but living in a nation that can't feed itself seems like it would die pretty quickly.

You talk about roads being necessary for industry, so obviously, the government should pay for it. Which is totally absurd when you consider the point of industry: MAKING MONEY.
quiglythegreat

Actually, it makes perfect sense - because everyone, the people and the government, make more money in the long run.

[QUOTE="muppet1010"][QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. hoola

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

correction.. the doctor cares about your money.. thats why he wont treat you for free ;)

If the doctor wants more money he will provide better service.

yeah... thats my point. the doctor wants monay :|