why do americans hate free health care

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"] You are healthy. you are lucky. I'm sure somebody with type 1 diabetes would be paying much much more, for something they cannot help. Luck of the draw? the minority, don't raise my taxes?
LJS9502_basic

No, they wouldn't. Insurance covers the treatment whatever it is. You don't understand how insurance works.:|

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. quiglythegreat

actually our military only takes up roughly 4% of our GDP....roughly 1-2% higher than most of Europe...butmost countries in Europe aren't fighting a war on two fronts either...

i want free health careApocalypse33

Dream on. Its not possible. Unfortunately.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. UnknownSniper65

actually our military only takes up roughly 4% of our GDP....roughly 1-2% higher than most of Europe...butmost countries in Europe aren't fighting a war on two fronts either...

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]i want free health careCube_of_MooN

Dream on. Its not possible. Unfortunately.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] Huh. So if all your medical bills are paid for by the government, why is it that people still go bankrupt routinely from their inability to pay for medical expenses?
The_Ish

Because

A) They did not file for government assistance - which means it's their own fault.

B) They are well off but didn't pay for health insurance since that zomg new HDTV I MUST HAVE IT urges were overtaking them.

How does either of these happen, I have no idea. Most people in this country don't know how to manage their money.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. quiglythegreat

Yet most Americans have no trouble paying a higher proportion of our considerable GDP than any other country when it comes to the military.

actually our military only takes up roughly 4% of our GDP....roughly 1-2% higher than most of Europe...butmost countries in Europe aren't fighting a war on two fronts either...

What wars are we fighting?

Iraq. Afghanistan. :|

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]i want free health careCube_of_MooN

Dream on. Its not possible. Unfortunately.

That's a great song by Aerosmith... :)

the insurers decide who they insure, and so you will have trouble getting any insurance at all if you are a diabetic. Insurers are businesses. if they know that you will be taking money from them to get the insulin that you will require every day for the rest of your life, they will not insure you.

Mr_sprinkles

Why would they insure you if they KNOW they are going to pay out more than they take in? That's common sense to me.

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]i want free health carequiglythegreat

Dream on. Its not possible. Unfortunately.

Too bad it isn't free.

Iraq. Afghanistan. :|

scorch-62

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]i want free health careCube_of_MooN

Dream on. Its not possible. Unfortunately.

Too bad it isn't free.

We're talking about socialized health care, not toally eliminating any energy into medicine, nice as that would be.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]

the insurers decide who they insure, and so you will have trouble getting any insurance at all if you are a diabetic. Insurers are businesses. if they know that you will be taking money from them to get the insulin that you will require every day for the rest of your life, they will not insure you.

LukeAF24

Why would they insure you if they KNOW they are going to pay out more than they take in? That's common sense to me.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]

the insurers decide who they insure, and so you will have trouble getting any insurance at all if you are a diabetic. Insurers are businesses. if they know that you will be taking money from them to get the insulin that you will require every day for the rest of your life, they will not insure you.

LukeAF24

Why would they insure you if they KNOW they are going to pay out more than they take in? That's common sense to me.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. UnknownSniper65

actually our military only takes up roughly 4% of our GDP....roughly 1-2% higher than most of Europe...butmost countries in Europe aren't fighting a war on two fronts either...

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] Iraq. Afghanistan. :|quiglythegreat

Our government says otherwise. May I mention, no other countries are involved in those conflicts, certainly not the UK which has a far, far lower spending on the military proportionately, but that's because they're not fighting the good fight, eh?

So you KNOW which wars we're fighting? If I'm wrong, educate me. Please, go ahead. :|

Britain (UK, England, whatever floats your boat) pulled out because of the change in prime minister. Gordon Brown's not as chummy with Bush as Tony Blair was, so he had no trouble with their pull-out. I don't know about anyone else involved in Bush's War on Terror, but you probably know that, too. :roll:

And whoever said it was a 'good fight'? The War in Iraq is far from good. Bush had people torn from their families all because he had us fight a country that had zero involvement with 9-11. Osama Bin Laden sent a tape and SAID THAT HE AND AL QAEDA DID IT FROM AFGHANISTAN! :evil: This is why I hate Bush.

[QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

Why would they insure you if they KNOW they are going to pay out more than they take in? That's common sense to me.

Mr_sprinkles

No, the problem is poor consumerism. Not the insurance companies.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

Why would they insure you if they KNOW they are going to pay out more than they take in? That's common sense to me.

LukeAF24

No, the problem is poor consumerism. Not the insurance companies.

[QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

No, the problem is poor consumerism. Not the insurance companies.

Mr_sprinkles

I don't feel like typing a 15 page report on it, so I'll give you a synopisis:

If people would shop around for health care like they shop around for a car, costs would drop. In turn, insurance companies would pay less in claims, and your premiums would drop.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

No, the problem is poor consumerism. Not the insurance companies.

LukeAF24

I don't feel like typing a 15 page report on it, so I'll give you a synopisis:

If people would shop around for health care like they shop around for a car, costs would drop. In turn, insurance companies would pay less in claims, and your premiums would drop.

#edit# and for things like insulin, theres not going to be much variation in price. If everyone charges the same price for the same thing, especially a necessary good, how will 'shopping around' help drop prices? If you're a diabetic you can't exactly turn around and say "I'm not paying that!"

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"] You are healthy. you are lucky. I'm sure somebody with type 1 diabetes would be paying much much more, for something they cannot help. Luck of the draw? the minority, don't raise my taxes?
Mr_sprinkles

No, they wouldn't. Insurance covers the treatment whatever it is. You don't understand how insurance works.:|

Link? I know diabetics with insurance....

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"] You are healthy. you are lucky. I'm sure somebody with type 1 diabetes would be paying much much more, for something they cannot help. Luck of the draw? the minority, don't raise my taxes?
LJS9502_basic

No, they wouldn't. Insurance covers the treatment whatever it is. You don't understand how insurance works.:|

Link? I know diabetics with insurance....

lukeAF24 said it, they won't insure people for whom they will, or are likey to pay out more than get in.
Mr_sprinkles

Again.....I know several people with diabetes...they have insurance. You made the claim...now explain to me how they have insurance since you stated they can't.

Our county is just an isolationist, egotystical society these days.....A lot of of just look at free health care as a pointless waste of money, where you have to pay extra taxes most likely for someone elses illness. camreeno360

It's not free.....

Because it's communist.quiglythegreat

Actually, no it isn't. Just because it isn't LAISSEZ-FAIRE capitalistic, doesn't make it communist; to claim that it is would be to see things in black and white.

[QUOTE="camreeno360"]Our county is just an isolationist, egotystical society these days.....A lot of of just look at free health care as a pointless waste of money, where you have to pay extra taxes most likely for someone elses illness. LJS9502_basic

It's not free.....

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"] lukeAF24 said it, they won't insure people for whom they will, or are likey to pay out more than get in.
LJS9502_basic

Again.....I know several people with diabetes...they have insurance. You made the claim...now explain to me how they have insurance since you stated they can't.

and now I've got to go. you've certainly argued your case a lot better than i have mine. doesn't make me wrong, just stupid :P but i really must get some sleep. It's almost two in the morning here! g'night.

I'am from Canada and ill tell you its far from free. Example: a pack of beef jerky in the US 2-3$, CAN 8$, its called retail sales tax. So would if you do get Healthcare them your taxes will go up.markebici

Obviously the money for it has to come from somewhere, but its still called free health care.

[QUOTE="markebici"]I'am from Canada and ill tell you its far from free. Example: a pack of beef jerky in the US 2-3$, CAN 8$, its called retail sales tax. So would if you do get Healthcare them your taxes will go up.Platearmor_6

Obviously the money for it has to come from somewhere, but its still called free health care.

No, it's call socialized medicine.

Because I believe that my money will benefit those who don't deserve it. Most people who can't afford healthcare don't work, do drugs, and many other things. Why should I have to pay for their well being when they aren't willing to give their all in life?Luminouslight

People like you make me sick. The ignorance in this post is astounding.

Hey did you know that you can bust your ass working multiple jobs and still barely have enough income to take care of your family? No, because you are busy sitting here on your computer in a presumably nice house where your parents are paying for your every little need.

People just say "go to college", but good luck with that. I can barely pay for college and my car+food through my work and I make minimum wage. If my parents weren't kind enough to not make me pay rent then guess what? No college for me.

God I cannot WAIT till you have some experience with the real world you ******* brat.

free healthcare means higher taxes, much higher taxes.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.edd678

Not really...

You're right, since it's not really free. But it should be communist.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's socialist.edd678

Not really...

Fixed.

The Democrats are trying to hide the socialism by saying they will pay for it by rolling back tax cuts for the rich. That's complety shady and despicable. I can't trust the Democrats and their lies anymore.

Also they are exaserbating the class warfare or thier concept that rich people are evil by saying they will pay for it by rolling back tax cuts for the rich. For christs sake, if you are going to have universal health care everyone should have to pay.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.mattyftm

And what is wrong with communism??

Uhmer'ca luvz democracy! dem commies is evil y'all! USA! USA! USA!

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"]Because I believe that my money will benefit those who don't deserve it. Most people who can't afford healthcare don't work, do drugs, and many other things. Why should I have to pay for their well being when they aren't willing to give their all in life?Thechaninator

People like you make me sick. The ignorance in this post is astounding.

Hey did you know that you can bust your ass working multiple jobs and still barely have enough income to take care of your family? No, because you are busy sitting here on your computer in a presumably nice house where your parents are paying for your every little need.

People just say "go to college", but good luck with that. I can barely pay for college and my car+food through my work and I make minimum wage. If my parents weren't kind enough to not make me pay rent then guess what? No college for me.

God I cannot WAIT till you have some experience with the real world you ******* brat.

couldn't you take out a student loan?

The healthcare here ( even the stuff you pay for ) is substandard. Unless you spend loads of money on a private doctor for personal attention they arent going to take care of you.

Now just imagine if you werent paying them....think they would care about you?

FACTS:

-Health care costs more in the US than in Canada in % of the total GDP.

-Why dont you already have universal health care? Because you dont have party lines, so people in the same party wont vote the same way, so, in Congress, progressists just wont win. Also, insurance companies dont like the idea of the government putting its nose in it, because it could mean roof-prices and policies to control how much the companies ask for, which would lower their profits.

(BTW, I study at university, currently, I have a course and that subject is a big part of it)

Because they feel it results in poor patient care. To some extent, this is true... but for most people, the benefits of inexpensive or free healthcare outweigh the discrepancy in service quality, especially if they would receive NO healthcare if it weren't inexpensive or free. Only the wealthy (who can easily afford expensive care) are really affected by this, and since most people try to model themselves after the wealthy - even when most will never be wealthy themselves - they throw their lot in with the wealthy philosophy that it is better to pay for the best care than to receive adequate care for nothing.

Probably there is an underlying phobia of anything socialist in there too. Many people are enormously selfish, and can't stand the thought of paying money for other peoples' treatment when they themselves have no use for the system at that moment.

pianist

this pretty much hit the nail on the head.

i think america's greatest flaw is that so many of its citizens are driven solely by their own wallets. there is more to life than accumulating more material wealth than your neighbor.