Why do atheists feel the need to advertise their godlessness?

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]If there was no religion then there would be half the wars there are, millions of people would still be alive today!jetpower3

The worst wars/theatres of war of our time have rarely invoked religion to any meaningful degree. Rhetoric and propoganda, yes, but the fighting goes on regardless.

Insecurity and a need to have their sense of identity validated. Same reasons why some theists advertise their faith.

sonicare

spams system wars...now spams OT....get a damn life

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Atheist have no need, no obligation to attempt to "convert" people.Zeviander

This

I think it's equally obnoxious to advertise that you're religious.

I was at the 4th of July fireworks on the Hudson and a plane flew by with a sign saying "Atheism is patriotic" or something, and I thought that was pretty obnoxious too.

Why do non-atheists, repeatly ask the same questions?

I think it's equally obnoxious to advertise that you're religious.

I was at the 4th of July fireworks on the Hudson and a plane flew by with a sign saying "Atheism is patriotic" or something, and I thought that was pretty obnoxious too.

airshocker

I might agree if atheism weren't constantly portrayed as unpatriotic.

I might agree if atheism weren't constantly portrayed as unpatriotic.

theone86

Still makes it obnoxious.

There's no place for any type of sign like that, from either side, during the 4th of July celebrations.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yes, because those in religions don't feel the need to force theirs onto others (not a literal generalization). People will be people.

comp_atkins

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] I believe there is a difference. as for Christians, we are told to try to convert people into our religion, its what we are supposed to do, its a good deed. HOWEVER the bible clearly states if the person does not want to we must respect their choice and leave them alone. Atheist have no need, no obligation to attempt to "convert" people. also how would someone becoming religious be a bad thing?lightleggy

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] I believe there is a difference. as for Christians, we are told to try to convert people into our religion, its what we are supposed to do, its a good deed. HOWEVER the bible clearly states if the person does not want to we must respect their choice and leave them alone. Atheist have no need, no obligation to attempt to "convert" people. also how would someone becoming religious be a bad thing?lightleggy

Proposing an answer to something you cannot answer forfeits any further examination. Even the most moderate religious folk can get things skewed in a poor direction due to beliefs.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yes, because those in religions don't feel the need to force theirs onto others (not a literal generalization). People will be people.

lundy86_4

Minor difference, yes. The end result is the same. Unwarranted conversion.

How would someone becoming Atheist be a bad thing? It's personal choice, as in we decide for ourselves. If we want to, we can garner the information rather than having it thrust upon us. Personally, i'm Agnostic, and it's how i'll stay.

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] I believe there is a difference. as for Christians, we are told to try to convert people into our religion, its what we are supposed to do, its a good deed. HOWEVER the bible clearly states if the person does not want to we must respect their choice and leave them alone. Atheist have no need, no obligation to attempt to "convert" people. also how would someone becoming religious be a bad thing?lightleggy

Minor difference, yes. The end result is the same. Unwarranted conversion.

How would someone becoming Atheist be a bad thing? It's personal choice, as in we decide for ourselves. If we want to, we can garner the information rather than having it thrust upon us. Personally, i'm Agnostic, and it's how i'll stay.

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] ..

wis3boi

Proposing an answer to something you cannot answer forfeits any further examination. Even the most moderate religious folk can get things skewed in a poor direction due to beliefs.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Minor difference, yes. The end result is the same. Unwarranted conversion.

How would someone becoming Atheist be a bad thing? It's personal choice, as in we decide for ourselves. If we want to, we can garner the information rather than having it thrust upon us. Personally, i'm Agnostic, and it's how i'll stay.

toast_burner

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] Yes im serious please explain to me how would it be bad? im talking about a good religious person, not a wacko pseudo religious who is definitely not the type of Christian that Jesus described.lightleggy

Proposing an answer to something you cannot answer forfeits any further examination. Even the most moderate religious folk can get things skewed in a poor direction due to beliefs.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] ..

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] A good Christian is a great person. a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct". No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

lightleggy

Then what you're saying is completely meaningless. religion doesn't teach anything about morals, if you read the bible it does the opposite.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Proposing an answer to something you cannot answer forfeits any further examination. Even the most moderate religious folk can get things skewed in a poor direction due to beliefs.

Toxic-Seahorse

A good Christian is a great person. a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct". No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

lightleggy

Your generalisations over "good" Christians and good atheists are lamentable. Morals pre-date Christianity, which itself is based on the Greek/Confucian "Golden Rule".

Agnosticism can be about claims to knowledge, rather than about belief in God(s). As an agnostic atheist myself, I realize that claims to knowledge can not be absolute. I can't claim to know anything for sure. Atheism fits with my relativistic and skeptical outlook as a belief that contrasts with a religious view. I find most religious views to be absolutist - gnostic - all knowing, if you like.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] What do you mean by that? Im Christian, and Im also into science, im studying electromechanical engineering and I plan to make some advancements in the nanotechnology field once I graduated, studying physics as well. please excuse me if thats not what you meant, english isnt my first language, so my comprehension might be a bit off.lightleggy

A good Christian is a great person. a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct".

lightleggy

Please, show me any study that came to this conclusion. Anything that is peer-reviewed, please.

No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

lightleggy

Agnosticism

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Actually statistics show that religious people are more likely to commit crimes.

toast_burner

Then what you're saying is completely meaningless. religion doesn't teach anything about morals, if you read the bible it does the opposite.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] Yes im serious please explain to me how would it be bad? im talking about a good religious person, not a wacko pseudo religious who is definitely not the type of Christian that Jesus described.lightleggy

Proposing an answer to something you cannot answer forfeits any further examination. Even the most moderate religious folk can get things skewed in a poor direction due to beliefs.

That's good that you study science. But I was referring to things like using god to explain the universe in the first part of my reply. Using a divine figure to explain it all doesn't answer anything and actually makes it more complex. If god made the universe, then what made god? A being so powerful and complex would require and even more bizarre beginning. Religion is fueled by people claiming to know all about life and the universe and then actual investigation with the scientific method comes in again and again and gets much better results. We know the big bang happened, it reached theory status (the highest label you can get in schience), it's just difficult to say a cause for it...in fact asking what came before it is a useless question because there was no "before" to begin with.

But there are staggering numbers of religious people, including many christians in the US, who because of their beliefs, will refuse to accept any truths because of their religion. Another issue with moderates is their system can allow extremists to flourish. Take the middle east for example...there are many very peaceful muslims, but their religion is so open to interpretation that extremists use their views on it to cause harm and oppression and the moderates won't or can't do anything about it. I know religion can make certain people feel good inside, I will never ever deny that, but in the overall big picture, with so many varying religions and individual views, I think the cons far outweight the pros.

A good Christian is a great person.lightleggy

They want to improve their self confidence

The teachings of Jesus Christ tell me something else. Summarizing some of the teachings: dont judge others, its not your job. be respectful towards what they do. dont start fights. lead a healthy lifestyle. be generous, give to the ones who need it the most. dont be greedy. be friendly, be merciful, even towards your enemy. Yes im aware of the old testament, and like its said in the bible the mosaic law was replaced, for Christ's law is bigger.lightleggy

So why judge atheists then?

How do you compartmentalise your scientific view from your belief in miracles?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

A good Christian is a great person. a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct".

lundy86_4

Please, show me any study that came to this conclusion. Anything that is peer-reviewed, please.

No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

Also I barely know anything about agnostiscicsm. can you explain some of the base aspects to me?

lightleggy

Agnosticism

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]A good Christian is a great person.Zeviander

Yeah that's another problem I have with these people....morality does NOT and never will come from religion.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] Which is why I said an ideal Christian. im not talking about people who claim to be christians, and then they go out and impregnate every girl they come into, and go buy drugs and "live a wild life" because they believe the crucifix hanging from their door makes them christians.lightleggy

Then what you're saying is completely meaningless. religion doesn't teach anything about morals, if you read the bible it does the opposite.

Now why do you need religion for any of that? The whole fabric of society holds together by those concepts, it's not something Jesus started nor is it something you need to listen to him to learn.

All Christianity does is tell you things you already know, then throws in some stuff that holds society back (e.g. homophobia).

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]A good Christian is a great person.Zeviander

You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":lightleggy

Yes, I do need a study. Otherwise, what you state is unfounded and I have no need to listen to the absolute drivel anymore.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]A good Christian is a great person.lightleggy

Umm....me? Life owes me nothing, nor does it care what happens to me, my family, friends, strangers, or the entire planet. Helping others advances everyone as a whole. Religion makes people do good because they fear punishment from a divine being instead of doing good for the sake of doing good. We aren't the only living things with morals

You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":lightleggy

That contradicts what you just said earlier:

a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct". No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

lightleggy

Is it true that Christians don't smoke, drink or take other drugs like caffeine?

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]A good Christian is a great person.lightleggy

Mother Theresa was no angel, according to some accounts.

Bill Gates is being good in donating the majority of his fortune to rid the world of many diseases. It's working too. He's an atheist.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Religion was instituted to answer questions people didn't know at the time. Doing this doesn't leave any room for searching for answer if your answer is just "god did it." For religious people it's basically "we don't know how it happened, so god did it." Instead it should be "we don't know how it happened, let's examine it and try to figure out why." You lose the motivation top try to figure things out when you believe god did it.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] lol, do atheist really think that? Even if we know how stuff works, you can disprove God with that, which is why plenty of scientists claim you cant actually disprove religion or the existance of God with science. like I said im a scientist, that doesnt mean I dont believe in God, if the universe was made by God, why cant the stuff work on a "system"? If you build a house using some tools, do you say "the tools built the house" or "I built the house". God is the builder, the way things work are the tools, it doesnt mean that im not going to feel interested in how the tools work.lightleggy

1. Atheism is the lack of belief in a divine being. Nothing more. Nothing.

2. Proposing a divine figure made everything and that he exists beyond nature is illogical and completely useless.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":RationalAtheist

That contradicts what you just said earlier:

a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct". No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

lightleggy

Is it true that Christians don't smoke, drink or take other drugs like caffeine?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] The idea of "god" and the idea of Christianity is completely different. Christianity has been proven wrong many times with science. You're right, nobody can prove there isn't a god, but you can't prove there isn't an invisible pink pony following you etiher.

wis3boi

1. Atheism is the lack of belief in a divine being. Nothing more. Nothing.

2. Proposing a divine figure made everything and that he exists beyond nature is illogical and completely useless.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":lightleggy

That contradicts what you just said earlier:

a "good" atheist is far more prone to making things that are not looked as "morally correct". No, im not saying that every atheist is bad, or that they are all murders or rapists or just psychos in general, im not even close to saying that, but the behavior that is expected from a christian has not one bad aspect, while the more liberal behavior expected from an atheist is far more...nocive.

lightleggy

Is it true that Christians don't smoke, drink or take other drugs like caffeine?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] problem with atheist is that they believe that God needs to abide by the rules of science, as if the rules of science were the ones who made God and not the other way aroundlightleggy

1. Atheism is the lack of belief in a divine being. Nothing more. Nothing.

2. Proposing a divine figure made everything and that he exists beyond nature is illogical and completely useless.

This is the same argument creationists use to teach creationism in biology. Both sides aren't really equal. One has loads of peer-reviewed evidence, the other has nothing.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":lundy86_4

Yes, I do need a study. Otherwise, what you state is unfounded and I have no need to listen to the absolute drivel anymore.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":lightleggy

Yes, I do need a study. Otherwise, what you state is unfounded and I have no need to listen to the absolute drivel anymore.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

1. Atheism is the lack of belief in a divine being. Nothing more. Nothing.

2. Proposing a divine figure made everything and that he exists beyond nature is illogical and completely useless.

wis3boi

This is the same argument creationists use to teach creationism in biology. Both sides aren't really equal. One has loads of peer-reviewed evidence, the other has nothing.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]You dont need no study, when I say good Christian I say one who abides to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Go and tell me if an ideal Christian would do anything bad. Liberal behavior can lead to serious illness, problems, death. you dont need no science book to know that. A person who doesnt drink or smoke and keeps a healthy sexual life is far more likely to live a good life than someone who does all those things. now dont get me wrong, im not saying every single atheist/agnostic does that, im talking about the ones who do. I know atheist who are good people, and actually behave better than most "christians":lightleggy

Yes, I do need a study. Otherwise, what you state is unfounded and I have no need to listen to the absolute drivel anymore.

and what has any of that got to do with religion? What makes you think an atheist is more likely to do any of that stuff?

Like all gods, they'll die off if they aren't constantly shoved down people's throats.