Why do atheists feel the need to advertise their godlessness?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yes, I do need a study. Otherwise, what you state is unfounded and I have no need to listen to the absolute drivel anymore.

toast_burner

and what has any of that got to do with religion? What makes you think an atheist is more likely to do any of that stuff?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Then what you're saying is completely meaningless. religion doesn't teach anything about morals, if you read the bible it does the opposite.

toast_burner

Now why do you need religion for any of that? The whole fabric of society holds together by those concepts, it's not something Jesus started nor is it something you need to listen to him to learn.

All Christianity does is tell you things you already know, then throws in some stuff that holds society back (e.g. homophobia).

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] So on one side you have a person who does not drink, does not smokes, does not consumes drugs, keeps a single sexual partner (and its a mutual thing, so the other partner also keeps only 1) and has always been like that. on the other side you have someone who does multiple drugs, drinks an alarming amount of alcohol, does reckless thing such as drunk driving, has sex with over 10 strangers a week, gets into a lot of fights, provokes lots of people and has no "moral line". excluding events that the person couldnt control (for example being killed by a drunk driver while simply walking on the sidewalk) which one would you expect to live longer?lightleggy

and what has any of that got to do with religion? What makes you think an atheist is more likely to do any of that stuff?

and neither do most christians. Can you prove that being religious makes people better? You made the claim, now prove it.

So on one side you have a person who does not drink, does not smokes, does not consumes drugs, keeps a single sexual partner (and its a mutual thing, so the other partner also keeps only 1) and has always been like that. on the other side you have someone who does multiple drugs, drinks an alarming amount of alcohol, does reckless thing such as drunk driving, has sex with over 10 strangers a week, gets into a lot of fights, provokes lots of people and has no "moral line". excluding events that the person couldnt control (for example being killed by a drunk driver while simply walking on the sidewalk) which one would you expect to live longer?lightleggy

Why are Christians limited to the "Holier than thou" sh*t, and athiests are painted as the Devil incarnate?

I know you're trying to troll, but looking like a 6 year old without a general idea of what they are talking about, isn't really trolling :?

Well if you ask me, I believe creationism is a widely misunderstood subject, the bible doesnt say adam and eve were the only human beings, it says they were the first, its pretty clear later that there were more humans aside from adam and eve. the book of job also states that humans werent the first creatures to walk on earth.

lightleggy

Genesis does go on to describe their disfunctional children. Is that what you mean? Genesis does also describe their creation. There are several accounts of this in Genesis too.

I believe Christians shouldnt be homophobic, like I said "dont judge others, its not your job". if being homosexual is bad, God will judge them, I dont have to treat them different or condemn them or disrespect them for that.lightleggy

They get righteous justification for it in the New Testament and the Old Testament, so who can blame them.

It's funny you talking about not being judgmental, while being judgmental about atheists.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

and what has any of that got to do with religion? What makes you think an atheist is more likely to do any of that stuff?

toast_burner

and neither do most christians. Can you prove that being religious makes people better? You made the claim, now prove it.

And why do you ignore what I said earlier? the ideal Christian wouldnt, hell even I said it myself, most of the christians today are pseudo christians.lightleggy

Are you judging again? I thought you said that was un-Christian.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]So on one side you have a person who does not drink, does not smokes, does not consumes drugs, keeps a single sexual partner (and its a mutual thing, so the other partner also keeps only 1) and has always been like that. on the other side you have someone who does multiple drugs, drinks an alarming amount of alcohol, does reckless thing such as drunk driving, has sex with over 10 strangers a week, gets into a lot of fights, provokes lots of people and has no "moral line". excluding events that the person couldnt control (for example being killed by a drunk driver while simply walking on the sidewalk) which one would you expect to live longer?lundy86_4

Why are Christians limited to the "Holier than thou" sh*t, and athiests are painted as the Devil incarnate?

I know you're trying to troll, but looking like a 6 year old without a general idea of what they are talking about, isn't really trolling :?

again, you didnt read everything I said, if you are not going to read it then please dont make those claims. and im not trolling you either. I never said atheists cant be good people, as a matter of fact I said the opposite, even going on to say that I actually know atheist and non christians who behave way better than most christians. im not perfect either, I do a lot of bad things, and im trying to change that, so no dont believe that im claiming to be some superior being to atheist or something like that. dont put words in my mouth.lightleggy

So you admit that this whole idea of your's about a superior Chrisitan morality just does not work out in reality.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]I believe Christians shouldnt be homophobic, like I said "dont judge others, its not your job". if being homosexual is bad, God will judge them, I dont have to treat them different or condemn them or disrespect them for that.RationalAtheist

They get righteous justification for it in the New Testament and the Old Testament, so who can blame them.

It's funny you talking about not being judgmental, while being judgmental about atheists.

Could you give examples?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] Yes, but if they are going to talk about it they should be open to how both sides work. I may love to walk around naked, but if im going to a place where walking naked is a serious crime, im gonna wear some clothes, because even tho I have no problem against being naked, the people who live at that place do, so I need to play by their rules.lightleggy

This is the same argument creationists use to teach creationism in biology. Both sides aren't really equal. One has loads of peer-reviewed evidence, the other has nothing.

Misunderstood? It's a load of stale tripe no matter how you twist it.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]And why do you ignore what I said earlier? the ideal Christian wouldnt, hell even I said it myself, most of the christians today are pseudo christians.RationalAtheist

Are you judging again? I thought you said that was un-Christian.

Could you give examples?

tenaka2

Sure.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Could you give examples?

RationalAtheist

Sure.

how is it judging? what do you take for judging? Even Jesus said "hipocrites". I dont behave like an ideal christian either. juding would be more like "THOSE DAMN PEOPLE, IM GONNA CHASE THEM DOWN AND IM GONNA MAKE THEM BURN FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS!" im stating the truth, if a guy walks in front of me and robs an old lady im gonna say "he is a thief". what is meant when Jesus said "dont judge" was dont carry prejudices or condemn people for things they do. those that mean there shouldnt be laws? not at all, there are authorities for it. the phrase is meant to explain that only God is a judge, the only one who can pass judgment, condemn, or reward. as for earthly stuff (such as robbing) there are authorities placed to take the proper steps.lightleggy

You saying "most Christians are only pseudo-Christians" sounds to me like you're judging them.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]again, you didnt read everything I said, if you are not going to read it then please dont make those claims. and im not trolling you either. I never said atheists cant be good people, as a matter of fact I said the opposite, even going on to say that I actually know atheist and non christians who behave way better than most christians. im not perfect either, I do a lot of bad things, and im trying to change that, so no dont believe that im claiming to be some superior being to atheist or something like that. dont put words in my mouth.RationalAtheist

So you admit that this whole idea of your's about a superior Chrisitan morality just does not work out in reality.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Could you give examples?

pie-junior

Sure.

lol yeah i know, i suspect a double cross.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]how is it judging? what do you take for judging? Even Jesus said "hipocrites". I dont behave like an ideal christian either. juding would be more like "THOSE DAMN PEOPLE, IM GONNA CHASE THEM DOWN AND IM GONNA MAKE THEM BURN FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS!" im stating the truth, if a guy walks in front of me and robs an old lady im gonna say "he is a thief". what is meant when Jesus said "dont judge" was dont carry prejudices or condemn people for things they do. those that mean there shouldnt be laws? not at all, there are authorities for it. the phrase is meant to explain that only God is a judge, the only one who can pass judgment, condemn, or reward. as for earthly stuff (such as robbing) there are authorities placed to take the proper steps.RationalAtheist

You saying "most Christians are only pseudo-Christians" sounds to me like you're judging them.

Everyone on this forum religious or not has set a stereotype for each other. Atheists think the religious like to crucify and stone people who don't agree with science and the religious think the athiests are out ripping bibles apart holding yard sticks dressed like Steve Urkel (Bill Nye joke for those who didn't get it). So it's really just better to let them think what they want and watch them make fools of themselves by creating countless threads such as this over and over just to insult each party.

I had a thread like this not so long ago where I learned pretty much what I posted. After that I just sit back and watch people rip at eachothers throats.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]And why do you ignore what I said earlier? the ideal Christian wouldnt, hell even I said it myself, most of the christians today are pseudo christians.lightleggy

Are you judging again? I thought you said that was un-Christian.

If they arent following the actual teachings of Christ, then how should I call them? should I still call them christians? So if a guy comes and shows me a blue cloth and tells me "this is a green cloth" and I tell him "no, thats a blue cloth" im judging?lightleggy

Why should you judge them at all? Why is that your business? You were only just saying how that is not your job, but your Gods. Shouldn't you be concentrating on yourself instead? It is "odd" how common this happens with Christians though.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

Are you judging again? I thought you said that was un-Christian.

michaelP4

Everyone on this forum religious or not has set a stereotype for each other. Atheists think the religious like to crucify and stone people who don't agree with science and the religious think the athiests are out ripping bibles apart holding yard sticks dressed like Steve Urkel (Bill Nye joke for those who didn't get it). So it's really just better to let them think what they want and watch them make fools of themselves by creating countless threads such as this over and over just to insult each party.

I had a thread like this not so long ago where I learned pretty much what I posted. After that I just sit back and watch people rip at eachothers throats.

norm41x

Everyone on this forum religious or not has set a stereotype for each other. Atheists think the religious like to crucify and stone people who don't agree with science and the religious think the athiests are out ripping bibles apart holding yard sticks dressed like Steve Urkel (Bill Nye joke for those who didn't get it). So it's really just better to let them think what they want and watch them make fools of themselves by creating countless threads such as this over and over just to insult each party.

I had a thread like this not so long ago where I learned pretty much what I posted. After that I just sit back and watch people rip at eachothers throats.

norm41x

[QUOTE="michaelP4"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] how is it judging? what do you take for judging? Even Jesus said "hipocrites". I dont behave like an ideal christian either. juding would be more like "THOSE DAMN PEOPLE, IM GONNA CHASE THEM DOWN AND IM GONNA MAKE THEM BURN FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS!" im stating the truth, if a guy walks in front of me and robs an old lady im gonna say "he is a thief". what is meant when Jesus said "dont judge" was dont carry prejudices or condemn people for things they do. those that mean there shouldnt be laws? not at all, there are authorities for it. the phrase is meant to explain that only God is a judge, the only one who can pass judgment, condemn, or reward. as for earthly stuff (such as robbing) there are authorities placed to take the proper steps.lightleggy

Well Jesus drank booze and hung around with prostitutes, so...

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]If they arent following the actual teachings of Christ, then how should I call them? should I still call them christians? So if a guy comes and shows me a blue cloth and tells me "this is a green cloth" and I tell him "no, thats a blue cloth" im judging?RationalAtheist

Why should you judge them at all? Why is that your business? You were only just saying how that is not your job, but your Gods. Shouldn't you be concentrating on yourself instead? It is "odd" how common this happens with Christians though.

Why do people keep making these pointless threads? Atheists don't go door to door asking people to convert. Some might advertise it. But Christians and all other religions do it just as much if not more. Who cares. Stop making these threads. Nobody wants to see them.

To be honest, this is like a night out with my buds. We always devolve to the politics/religous talk... If that's devolution, considering our other conversations :lol:

Why do people keep making these pointless threads? Atheists don't go door to door asking people to convert. Some might advertise it. But Christians and all other religions do it just as much if not more. Who cares. Stop making these threads. Nobody wants to see them.

SouL-Tak3R

Why do people who "don't want to see" these threads always make a point to enter into and b*tch about them? Would it not be easier to simply ignore such threads?

[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]If there was no religion then there would be half the wars there are, millions of people would still be alive today!Nibroc420

The worst wars/theatres of war of our time have rarely invoked religion to any meaningful degree. Rhetoric and propoganda, yes, but the fighting goes on regardless.

Fascism, communism, democracy, capitalism, etc. Those seem to be the 4 big ticket ideologies of international war in the last 70-80 years and they generally have little to do with religion.

And as for why threads like these are always made: it feeds people like me who have a passion for debating religion and politics. It's just part of my personality (and I'm an easy going guy btw) to naturally get involved in these debates - can't help it.michaelP4

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

Why do people keep making these pointless threads? Atheists don't go door to door asking people to convert. Some might advertise it. But Christians and all other religions do it just as much if not more. Who cares. Stop making these threads. Nobody wants to see them.

worlock77

Why do people who "don't want to see" these threads always make a point to enter into and b*tch about them? Would it not be easier to simply ignore such threads?

Be honest. Do you like seeing the same posting every single week with the same responses?It just takes up space.There is a search button.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

Why do people keep making these pointless threads? Atheists don't go door to door asking people to convert. Some might advertise it. But Christians and all other religions do it just as much if not more. Who cares. Stop making these threads. Nobody wants to see them.

SouL-Tak3R

Why do people who "don't want to see" these threads always make a point to enter into and b*tch about them? Would it not be easier to simply ignore such threads?

Be honest. Do you like seeing the same posting every single week with the same responses?It just takes up space.There is a search button.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

Why do people keep making these pointless threads? Atheists don't go door to door asking people to convert. Some might advertise it. But Christians and all other religions do it just as much if not more. Who cares. Stop making these threads. Nobody wants to see them.

SouL-Tak3R

Why do people who "don't want to see" these threads always make a point to enter into and b*tch about them? Would it not be easier to simply ignore such threads?

Be honest. Do you like seeing the same posting every single week with the same responses?It just takes up space.There is a search button.

And by posting here you're only contributing to that which you are complaining about. It's not really difficult to ignore threads.

good question, lets all be a group who doesn't believe in anything. yep

good question, lets all be a group who doesn't believe in anything. yep

Chris_Williams

Insecurity and a need to have their sense of identity validated. Same reasons why some theists advertise their faith.

sonicare

What's wrong with people creating a union filled with people of similar interests?(or lack of I guess) That's the whole point of a Union...

Anywho I don't advocate preaching your religion (or lack of) to people not interested in hearing about it, although no one's forcing you to go to the Atheist Union so no one's forcing you to go to the union's board and read the horrendous Anti-God blasphemous threads they create.

In real life I've never has an Atheist come to me and try to convert me, so I can't see the argument for that either. As an Atheist I don't impose my beliefs on those with different ones.

What's wrong with people creating a union filled with people of similar interests?(or lack of I guess) That's the whole point of a Union...

Anywho I don't advocate preaching your religion (or lack of) to people not interested in hearing about it, although no one's forcing you to go to the Atheist Union so no one's forcing you to go to the union's board and read the horrendous Anti-God blasphemous threads they create.

In real life I've never has an Atheist come to me and try to convert me, so I can't see the argument for that either. As an Atheist I don't impose my beliefs on those with different ones.

Slashless

Yeah, atheism doesn't need to spread things to others, reason itself is doing it. Record numbers of people are leaving organized religion on their own.