Why do atheists feel the need to advertise their godlessness?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

String Theory, you mean?

Strings aren't something we could ever observe due to their nature, but they can be inferred by the behavior of larger, observable phenomena.

It's an interesting theory which I think needs another half-century or so of revision, but I personally think they're on the right track.

As for a supernatural being, I have issues with that term. I do believe in something that ordered the math of the universe, but I am not comfortable calling such a God a 'being' in the sense that you can personify God with human traits. I think that's arrogant of us humans to think that God would be like us, and I think that's doing God a great disservice.

And besides, an archetic of the universe wouldn't be anything but natural.

wis3boi

this reminds me of how much I despise the word "supernatural." It makes zero sense. If something exists to us, it must be natural, even if you can't explain it. If it is truely beyond space and time, then there is no way we could possibly know of its existence (and even then, it still exists and would be 'natural')

It's pointless to argue religion. People should stay in their own churches and worship quietly. I don't think God would want his followers to continue to waste their time trying to convert people who have no interest, and atheists have better things to do than prove to people who have blind faith in something that may or may not exist. Honestly, it's so much wasted energy. JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] :lol: that's not what I'm saying at all. Please dont try to strawman me.wis3boi

your logic and lack of debate skills are embarrassing

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, that is what you're saying. You seem to accept everything as it is; with no room for doubt. ShadowsDemon

your logic and lack of debate skills are embarrassing

:lol:

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

your logic and lack of debate skills are embarrassing

Nibroc420

:lol:

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]The universe is vast, and anything is possible if you put your mind to it.br0kenrabbit

No, because the universe obeys the same laws of physics we do. You're never going to have a planet that repels matter with reverse-gravity, for instance.

Well, because then it would repel itself and wouldn't be a planet in the first place.

We don't know actually if the rest of the universe follows the same laws of physics... it's only an assumption.themajormayor

Someone should tell the astrophysicists that.

People should stay in their own churches and worship quietly. JustPlainLucas

The Atheists are an insecure bunch, they see theselves as the new kids on the block leading an intellectual revolution against the stone age theists who lack reason. What they fail to understand is that their movement is not new at all, these are the very same people Plato was arguing against in the Platonic Dialogues.

I see tons of signatures on here with Atheism Union. Would you join a non-knitting union to discuss how you don't knit? Most atheists have a superiority complex and think of themselves as wise for feeling secure not to drop their beliefs thanks to others on the Internet doing the same. And then they spam you with arguments by Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens that they got off of YouTube and get so happy when they win an argument. I guess when that's all you have to look forward to (projecting your self-proclaimed superiority), you'll spend all day looking for arguments to steal. And when they win an argument, they act like it means something. Wow, you owned some misinformed Christian who hasn't really started his religion? You must be so smart! There's a higher population of religious people (and most minorities are religious), so obviously we're going to have more idiots. However, if you take the top 5% of each group, I doubt there'd be much of a difference. Atheists only know so many arguments to combat religion because other people have something to do with their lives and don't research pointless crap all day. Now, make sure you check Wikipedia, YouTube, and your secret atheist hub beforehand so you can claim as much "ownage" as possible!Drasonak

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]The universe is vast, and anything is possible if you put your mind to it.themajormayor

No, because the universe obeys the same laws of physics we do. You're never going to have a planet that repels matter with reverse-gravity, for instance.

Well, because then it would repel itself and wouldn't be a planet in the first place.

Considering we can observe galaxies 480 million years after the Big Bang (since the further you look into space, the deeper into time you're seeing) and everything is still obeying the same laws of physics, it's a pretty safe assumption.:?

The Nuclear Forces work the same here as they do anywhere else.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

No, because the universe obeys the same laws of physics we do. You're never going to have a planet that repels matter with reverse-gravity, for instance.

Well, because then it would repel itself and wouldn't be a planet in the first place.

br0kenrabbit

Considering we can observe galaxies 480 million years after the Big Bang (since the further you look into space, the deeper into time you're seeing) and everything is still obeying the same laws of physics, it's a pretty safe assumption.:?

The Nuclear Forces work the same here as they do anywhere else.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19429-laws-of-physics-may-change-across-the-universe.html

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

No, because the universe obeys the same laws of physics we do. You're never going to have a planet that repels matter with reverse-gravity, for instance.

Well, because then it would repel itself and wouldn't be a planet in the first place.

br0kenrabbit

Considering we can observe galaxies 480 million years after the Big Bang (since the further you look into space, the deeper into time you're seeing) and everything is still obeying the same laws of physics, it's a pretty safe assumption.:?

The Nuclear Forces work the same here as they do anywhere else.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19429-laws-of-physics-may-change-across-the-universe.html

Confused? Me, too... :?musicalmac

I don't think disproportionate amounts of atheist advertise their philosophy though. We have a few people from every religion/philosophical school that are aggressive about. The biggest example you could possibly find for atheists is the crusade to eject religion from government, which I guess is more extreme than most western religions but it is probably forwarded more by the fringe nutjobs than the masses (just like how you have zealous religious people trying to legislate precise views of morality at times).

The Atheists are an insecure bunch, they see theselves as the new kids on the block leading an intellectual revolution against the stone age theists who lack reason. What they fail to understand is that their movement is not new at all, these are the very same people Plato was arguing against in the Platonic Dialogues.

Asim90

:| Yeah no.. In cultures past historically they killed Atheists.. Seriously now, being openly atheist up until recently was a big no no.. Hell it still is in many places of the world including some areas within the United States.. In fact that was one of the supposed "crimes" that Socrates was accused of, of being a atheist.. This led to his execution..

I don't think disproportionate amounts of atheist advertise their philosophy though. We have a few people from every religion/philosophical school that are aggressive about. The biggest example you could possibly find for atheists is the crusade to eject religion from government, which I guess is more extreme than most western religions but it is probably forwarded more by the fringe nutjobs than the masses (just like how you have zealous religious people trying to legislate precise views of morality at times).

GIJames248

Government and religion should not mix.

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I don't think disproportionate amounts of atheist advertise their philosophy though. We have a few people from every religion/philosophical school that are aggressive about. The biggest example you could possibly find for atheists is the crusade to eject religion from government, which I guess is more extreme than most western religions but it is probably forwarded more by the fringe nutjobs than the masses (just like how you have zealous religious people trying to legislate precise views of morality at times).

toast_burner

Government and religion should not mix.

Obviously you do not want some sort of shady theocracy in place (that is more an issue of the government having to much power, not the flavor of their agenda), but government invariably touches upon philosophy (ethics, metaphysics, etc.) and in America some people have tried to exclude the philosophies of others from the democratic process because their philosophy has elements of it that are religious or go beyond secular materialism. It just seems crazy to me to create a standard whereby one person is not allowed to voice their philosophy and another is (for example, say a local government puts the a religious plaque up somewhere because the majority of their constituents agree with it, but it is challenged by secularists). America still possesses some form of democracy and freedom and it is crazy to squelch it so bizarrely.

Though, the government does have a habit of overstepping and so I understand people being wary of a government with religious elected officials stepping on the rights of the people in the same way I would understand people being afraid of a secular or atheistic government stepping on the rights of people. That is more an issue where the government shouldn't really be controlling people in controversial ways though.

Those damn atheists, actually putting stuff in their sig! They're nearly as bad as the religious folk I tell you >_>

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, that is what you're saying. You seem to accept everything as it is; with no room for doubt. ShadowsDemon

your logic and lack of debate skills are embarrassing

You can't back up your claims with anything. You are a giant walking logical fallacy. The fact you have to try and spin it around and point fingers is hilarious. I doubt you even understand half of what people like me post because it is beyond your grasp.

My arguments come from:

and high level university courses and lectures I take on my own time. Where's your evidence? A highschool classroom?

wis3boi

This is off topic, but would you recommend those books as a good introduction to where popular atheism is right now? I haven't read much current stuff on it so I am just curious about future library acquisitions.

wis3boi

This is off topic, but would you recommend those books as a good introduction to where popular atheism is right now? I haven't read much current stuff on it so I am just curious about future library acquisitions.

GIJames248

a few of them don't particularly address atheism (like Greatest Show on Earth, which is a biology book) but they help support the worldview of many free thinkers so yes I'd say they are excellent reads for anyone regardless of their faith or lack thereof. They don't exist to convert people, just to spread knowledge and encourage thinking for oneself and examining the universe and this planet with a new set of eyes.

They don't exist to convert people, just to spread knowledge and encourage thinking for oneself and examining the universe and this planet with a new set of eyes.wis3boi

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]They don't exist to convert people, just to spread knowledge and encourage thinking for oneself and examining the universe and this planet with a new set of eyes.Zeviander

It gives them a sense of identity. It makes them feel like they are unique and "special" to everyone else. This is why atheists aer so overzealous about their beliefs, the thing is though, if everyone else was an atheist they would no longer be interested in being one because their sense of identity would be gone.

A lot of people on here are kids, and kids go through phases where they try to find themselves and rebel, some of them do it through atheism. It makes them feel cool, they think it makes them more intelligent than the masses.

Eventually they will grow up and reaslise that religions people are not stupid nor bad or evil. Also a lot of people on here are just trying to fit in, they don't really agree with the people here.

An adult would not care what people think about them.

It gives them a sense of identity. It makes them feel like they are unique and "special" to everyone else. This is why atheists aer so overzealous about their beliefs, the thing is though, if everyone else was an atheist they would no longer be interested in being one because their sense of identity would be gone.

A lot of people on here are kids, and kids go through phases where they try to find themselves and rebel, some of them do it through atheism. It makes them feel cool, they think it makes them more intelligent than the masses.

Eventually they will grow up and reaslise that religions people are not stupid nor bad or evil. Also a lot of people on here are just trying to fit in, they don't really agree with the people here.

An adult would not care what people think about them.

ShadowMoses900

It gives them a sense of identity. It makes them feel like they are unique and "special" to everyone else. This is why atheists aer so overzealous about their beliefs, the thing is though, if everyone else was an atheist they would no longer be interested in being one because their sense of identity would be gone.

A lot of people on here are kids, and kids go through phases where they try to find themselves and rebel, some of them do it through atheism. It makes them feel cool, they think it makes them more intelligent than the masses.

Eventually they will grow up and reaslise that religions people are not stupid nor bad or evil. Also a lot of people on here are just trying to fit in, they don't really agree with the people here.

An adult would not care what people think about them.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It gives them a sense of identity. It makes them feel like they are unique and "special" to everyone else. This is why atheists aer so overzealous about their beliefs, the thing is though, if everyone else was an atheist they would no longer be interested in being one because their sense of identity would be gone.

A lot of people on here are kids, and kids go through phases where they try to find themselves and rebel, some of them do it through atheism. It makes them feel cool, they think it makes them more intelligent than the masses.

Eventually they will grow up and reaslise that religions people are not stupid nor bad or evil. Also a lot of people on here are just trying to fit in, they don't really agree with the people here.

An adult would not care what people think about them.

Nibroc420

That is a generalisation. Religion has harmed people but it has also helped as well. Martin Luther King Jr was religous, in fact the civil rights movement started in churches and synagouges.

Atheism has harmed people as well, ever heard of the Soviet Union? Perhaps if you are so educated as you claim you should know already know this. Odd how you do not. There are also plenty of conflicts that have NOTHING to do with religion you know, since you are so educated you should know this as well.

It's extreamists that harm people. And atheists are not more educated than religious people, that is a huge generalisation and it's wrong.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It gives them a sense of identity. It makes them feel like they are unique and "special" to everyone else. This is why atheists aer so overzealous about their beliefs, the thing is though, if everyone else was an atheist they would no longer be interested in being one because their sense of identity would be gone.

A lot of people on here are kids, and kids go through phases where they try to find themselves and rebel, some of them do it through atheism. It makes them feel cool, they think it makes them more intelligent than the masses.

Eventually they will grow up and reaslise that religions people are not stupid nor bad or evil. Also a lot of people on here are just trying to fit in, they don't really agree with the people here.

An adult would not care what people think about them.

ShadowMoses900

That is a generalisation. Religion has harmed people but it has also helped as well. Martin Luther King Jr was religous, in fact the civil rights movement started in churches and synagouges.

Atheism has harmed people as well, ever heard of the Soviet Union? Perhaps if you are so educated as you claim you should know already know this. Odd how you do not. There are also plenty of conflicts that have NOTHING to do with religion you know, since you are so educated you should know this as well.

It's extreamists that harm people. And atheists are not more educated than religious people, that is a huge generalisation and it's wrong.

You're comparing religious groups, who do things because their untenable holy books tell them to, with people who have no religion, and do things because they're human...

A lack of belief in God has never hurt anyone.

ShadowMoses900

A lack of belief in God has never hurt anyone.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]A lack of belief in God has never hurt anyone.Zeviander

Atheists are knowledge-loving, peace-loving, human-loving people who just want what is best for humanity.Zeviander

Or am I just reading it wrong.norm41x

[QUOTE="norm41x"]Or am I just reading it wrong.Zeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Atheists are knowledge-loving, peace-loving, human-loving people who just want what is best for humanity.norm41x

[QUOTE="norm41x"] Explain please. What I'm reading is that Atheists feel the removal of religion is best for humanity itself.Zeviander

I'll make it a bit clearer. Reading from other Atheists and yourself here, a lot think the removal of religion is best for the human race. Isn't this a sign of hatred toward religion and the religious human beings though? Wouldn't this also in a sense be holding the human race back?

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="norm41x"] Explain please. What I'm reading is that Atheists feel the removal of religion is best for humanity itself.norm41x

I'm sorry. I didn't mean you directly. Reading from other posts of Atheists here in general is where I'm asking from.norm41x

[QUOTE="norm41x"]I'm sorry. I didn't mean you directly. Reading from other posts of Atheists here in general is where I'm asking from.Zeviander

God compells them. They just don't know it.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Zeviander

Oh man come on. I hope this is just to troll with SM.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It gives them a sense of identity. It makes them feel like they are unique and "special" to everyone else. This is why atheists aer so overzealous about their beliefs, the thing is though, if everyone else was an atheist they would no longer be interested in being one because their sense of identity would be gone.

A lot of people on here are kids, and kids go through phases where they try to find themselves and rebel, some of them do it through atheism. It makes them feel cool, they think it makes them more intelligent than the masses.

Eventually they will grow up and reaslise that religions people are not stupid nor bad or evil. Also a lot of people on here are just trying to fit in, they don't really agree with the people here.

An adult would not care what people think about them.

rastotm

The fact that there is even an atheist union on here proves otherwise. It's like a people starting basketball club, and then some other group starting an anti basketball club, it's a complete and total joke.

A union is made up of people who share similar values and opinions and beliefs. They have something that connects them, atheists are no different. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, it asks me to put too much faith in believing life started by nothing, and everything just kind of randomly happened inlcuding the processes for life to start and evolve. I don't have enough faith to believe that all that came into existance and happened on it's own.

Atheists get sometimes militant (OT is full of them) and they wear it like a badge of honor like they are in some group that knows more than others. Look at some of the people in here, they think they are free thinkers just because they are atheists lol.

Only a person who has their head up their own ass would think that. A lot of people (mostly younger) are atheists because they think it's cool and think it makes them unique. It gives them a sense of identity, makes them feel superior to the masses. They will grow up later.

The other reason people are atheists is because they had something happen to them that made them see religion as harmful. Maybe some religious person hurt them or acted mean towards them. It is important for these atheists to realise that there are more good religious people than bad and they just were unfortunate to meet the wrong ones.

But this is OT, I don't expect people to understand because most of the people here come across as anti-social kids in high school who want to be cool but can't fit in.

ShadowMoses900

^Because of people like this.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]themajormayor

Oh man come on. I hope this is just to troll with SM.

I think he unfortunately is that ignorant in his beliefs. There are plenty of religious people who are criticle thinkers and have no problem with science or learning. The only religous people who do are the fundies.

I find atheists on here have a less accurate view of religious people than the other way around. They seem to think that we are all uneducated red necks who are afraid of science. These people clearly need to get out more and learn about the world because they are severely misinformed.

A lo of atheists are just posers trying to be unique or cool. It makes them feel unique among the masses of the world because they lack their own identity. Many of them on here are not even really atheists, just kids trying to fit in around here.