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I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.
At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.
Thoughts?
Why do people create these GOD dam threads once an hour?
Lets see.
Miracles and unexplained phenomena (including Jesus' resurrection)
The fact that the universe exists rather than not
The aparrent design found in biology and the world around us
Fulfilled prophecies
The afterlife
Authority
Fear
Upbringing
Religious texts
Changed lives
Morality
Why do people create these GOD dam threads once an hour?
raven_squad
cause people would like to know other peoples opinions on the subject? isn't that what the forums are for? to discuss:|
Most religions are collections of fables and myths to obtain order and control through fear.
usaaaaaa
yessss. Someone who thinks the same as me :)
my theory is that back in ancient times, the children asked the wise elders how the world and everything existed. They didnt know how but didnt want to look like they didnt know, so they made it up.
Probably because they seen one already on the first page, see how many replies it's getting, and decide to make one of their own. Completely ignoring the fact that the question they're asking has already (most likely) been asked in the other one, or that an argument is already taking place dealing with it. So, instead of joining that one, they decide to ignore it and make a new one, except throw in some generalizations to spice it up a bit and hope some people end up taking the bait and get the ball rolling. Then the process will repeat. When? When will this madness end?:cry:Why do people create these GOD dam threads once an hour?
raven_squad
I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.
At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.
Thoughts?
JangoWuzHere
You know who came up with the scientific theory of the big bang? This guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Do you know what his occupation was?
You know who came up with the scientific theory of the big bang? This guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Do you know what his occupation was?
Stumpt25
I'll give you an example.
Yesterday evening I heard a Man speak on the past few years of his life.
He wasn't a Christian until the age of 15. He'd heard about this 'god' and some 'spirit thing' but couldn't be bothered with it. One day day he joined this youth group, and it was his first experience of 'The God'. He realised that Jesus had saved him and he repented and read his Bible.
The next day, he was wondering whether he'd made the right decision or not. Anyway he saw an old lady sitting on a bench and she looked like she was in pain so he walked over to her. He asked her if she was alright and she said her hand was in lots of pain. It was stiff and curled over. He remembered the night before and they had said that when Jesus came he gave us the power to do miracles and cast out demons and so on. So he asked if he could pray for her. She wasn't religious and was so shocked she just said yes. He put his hand on hers and said "Please Lord Jesus, heal this lady. Amen." Her hand relaxed and he stood back, she said the pain was gone.
Twenty years later, he was still a Christian, and he now worked for a company that paid him millions every year. He had nice cars and a massive house and everything. Well one day, he decided he wanted to teach the gospel and help more people, so he asked the company if they could do something to promote Christianity. They laughed and said apsolutely not. So the man left the company. He prayed about what to and so did his wife. And one day, he saw this man coming up the path with a For Sale sign, he placed it in the ground and then walked off. The man wondered what was going on and then a few minutes later his wife got home. She had put the house on the market because she felt this was what God wanted them to do. They prayed that God would help them to sell the house within a few weeks if this was really what he wanted.
Two hours later, there was at knock at the door. A lady had seen the For Sale sign and wanted to have a look around the house. So the man let her in and once she'd had a look around she said she wanted it. The Man was shocked and said she didn't even know what price it was yet. She said she would pay whatever price it was up for.
So they sold the house and they sold the cars and everything. And they didn't know what they were going to do yet. They had a lot of money and had planned to move down South and buy another house somewhere. They heard about this Drugs and Alchohol rehibilitation centre and decided they would move down and see if they could help out there, spread the gospel and so on. So they moved to a small caravan in the middle of a feild with a broken toilet next to the centre. They helped in there and did what they thought God wanted. But they weren't 'relying' on God as such because they still had all this money. So one night, this man couldn't sleep and told his wife he thought God wanted him to give their money away and trust him for what they needed. So they did. They gave away millions and millions and all they kept was two coffee tables and a small TV.
The man remembered back to when he was younger and how he had come to meet Christ for the first time at the youth group and decided that this was the way forward. So they took out a loan and designed this fold down truck with lighting equipment and audio equipment that they would travel around and do Christian concerts where kids could come and enjoy.
So they were still in the caravan and now they had this truck, but unfortunately the man developed this cough and it got worse and worse everyday. He went to see the doctor and the doctor sent him for a scan and it turned out he had cancer. The doctors gave him 1 year, unitl the following Christmas to live. He accepted it and went back up to the Church he used to go to, and the whole Church came round him and prayed for his healing. He went back to the doctors and they said it had grown larger and he went back again and they said it was even larger until he had about 2 months to live. He went back and asked how long he had. And they said well they didn't know. And he asked them what they meant. And they said that the cancer had dissapeared. And he was gobsmacked and thanked God and the then doctor said to him (who wasn't religious) "I don't know what deal you've got going on with God, but it must be good".
They were still in debt from the truck and they were praying that God would provide them with the money they needed and one day they had a phonecall from someone who said they had heard they were in debt. They were a Christian and wanted to help so they paid off the loan.
The man and his wife went on and did some concerts where lots of people were introduced to the first time to God.
And finally, after 5 years of living in the old caravan and helping out in the rehibilitation centre, a trust let them have a cottage to stay not far up the road, so now they live there. They have two dogs to keep them busy, just enough money to live on and every now and then they do one of these concerts, and you know what? There happier than they've ever been in their entire lives.
So in answer to your question, that's why people believe in God.
[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.
At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.
Thoughts?
Stumpt25
You know who came up with the scientific theory of the big bang? This guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Do you know what his occupation was?
Why does your sig have a quote from you?
[QUOTE="Stumpt25"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.
At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.
Thoughts?
domatron23
You know who came up with the scientific theory of the big bang? This guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Do you know what his occupation was?
Why does your sig have a quote from you?
Because i'm amazing and i rule the world?
I'll give you an example.
Yesterday evening I heard a Man speak on the past few years of his life.
He wasn't a Christian until the age of 15. He'd heard about this 'god' and some 'spirit thing' but couldn't be bothered with it. One day day he joined this youth group, and it was his first experience of 'The God'. He realised that Jesus had saved him and he repented and read his Bible.
The next day, he was wondering whether he'd made the right decision or not. Anyway he saw an old lady sitting on a bench and she looked like she was in pain so he walked over to her. He asked her if she was alright and she said her hand was in lots of pain. It was stiff and curled over. He remembered the night before and they had said that when Jesus came he gave us the power to do miracles and cast out demons and so on. So he asked if he could pray for her. She wasn't religious and was so shocked she just said yes. He put his hand on hers and said "Please Lord Jesus, heal this lady. Amen." Her hand relaxed and he stood back, she said the pain was gone.
Twenty years later, he was still a Christian, and he now worked for a company that paid him millions every year. He had nice cars and a massive house and everything. Well one day, he decided he wanted to teach the gospel and help more people, so he asked the company if they could do something to promote Christianity. They laughed and said apsolutely not. So the man left the company. He prayed about what to and so did his wife. And one day, he saw this man coming up the path with a For Sale sign, he placed it in the ground and then walked off. The man wondered what was going on and then a few minutes later his wife got home. She had put the house on the market because she felt this was what God wanted them to do. They prayed that God would help them to sell the house within a few weeks if this was really what he wanted.
Two hours later, there was at knock at the door. A lady had seen the For Sale sign and wanted to have a look around the house. So the man let her in and once she'd had a look around she said she wanted it. The Man was shocked and said she didn't even know what price it was yet. She said she would pay whatever price it was up for.
So they sold the house and they sold the cars and everything. And they didn't know what they were going to do yet. They had a lot of money and had planned to move down South and buy another house somewhere. They heard about this Drugs and Alchohol rehibilitation centre and decided they would move down and see if they could help out there, spread the gospel and so on. So they moved to a small caravan in the middle of a feild with a broken toilet next to the centre. They helped in there and did what they thought God wanted. But they weren't 'relying' on God as such because they still had all this money. So one night, this man couldn't sleep and told his wife he thought God wanted him to give their money away and trust him for what they needed. So they did. They gave away millions and millions and all they kept was two coffee tables and a small TV.
The man remembered back to when he was younger and how he had come to meet Christ for the first time at the youth group and decided that this was the way forward. So they took out a loan and designed this fold down truck with lighting equipment and audio equipment that they would travel around and do Christian concerts where kids could come and enjoy.
So they were still in the caravan and now they had this truck, but unfortunately the man developed this cough and it got worse and worse everyday. He went to see the doctor and the doctor sent him for a scan and it turned out he had cancer. The doctors gave him 1 year, unitl the following Christmas to live. He accepted it and went back up to the Church he used to go to, and the whole Church came round him and prayed for his healing. He went back to the doctors and they said it had grown larger and he went back again and they said it was even larger until he had about 2 months to live. He went back and asked how long he had. And they said well they didn't know. And he asked them what they meant. And they said that the cancer had dissapeared. And he was gobsmacked and thanked God and the then doctor said to him (who wasn't religious) "I don't know what deal you've got going on with God, but it must be good".
They were still in debt from the truck and they were praying that God would provide them with the money they needed and one day they had a phonecall from someone who said they had heard they were in debt. They were a Christian and wanted to help so they paid off the loan.
The man and his wife went on and did some concerts where lots of people were introduced to the first time to God.
And finally, after 5 years of living in the old caravan and helping out in the rehibilitation centre, a trust let them have a cottage to stay not far up the road, so now they live there. They have two dogs to keep them busy, just enough money to live on and every now and then they do one of these concerts, and you know what? There happier than they've ever been in their entire lives.
So in answer to your question, that's why people believe in God.
Lansdowne5
wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
FatChuwawa
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
Lansdowne5
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
Lansdowne5
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
Miracles can be explained as improbable events.[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
htekemerald
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
Miracles can be explained as improbable events.yes, thats exactly what they are.
[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
FatChuwawa
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
Miracles can be explained as improbable events.yes, thats exactly what they are.
Improbable doesn't mean unreal. People are healed everyday by the power of God.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
FatChuwawa
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.
Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
Lansdowne5
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
Miracles can be explained as improbable events.yes, thats exactly what they are.
Improbable doesn't mean unreal. People are healed everyday by the power of God.
Or you know, medical science does not yet comprehend what is fully happening.[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]I have never seen any kinda of proof of their being a god that created us. To me religion is all based on opinions with no facts behind them.
At least science has had facts in the past and shows you somthing that could have actually happen like the Big Bang.
Thoughts?
Stumpt25
You know who came up with the scientific theory of the big bang? This guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Do you know what his occupation was?
Why does your sig have a quote from you?
Because i'm amazing and i rule the world?
Fair point.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
Lansdowne5
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.
Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.
ok then, its even older, more time for the stories to exaggerate. Yes but by proving that God doesnt exist in material world also proves he is not real "beyond" this world, spiritual if you must. For example; adam and eve if 2 people started the whole worlds population, dont you think that we would be a bit inbred? If science proves adam/eve/garden of eden wrong, that means that the bible is wrong, which means that God didnt do it. anyway, who knew about this to write down anyway? was adam keeping a journal?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
FatChuwawa
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.
Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.
ok then, its even older, more time for the stories to exaggerate. Yes but by proving that God doesnt exist in material world also proves he is not real "beyond" this world, spiritual if you must. For example; adam and eve if 2 people started the whole worlds population, dont you think that we would be a bit inbred? If science proves adam/eve/garden of eden wrong, that means that the bible is wrong, which means that God didnt do it. anyway, who knew about this to write down anyway? was adam keeping a journal?
Sorry? For God to exist, he must have existed before he created the material world. Therefore being able to exist outside of it now.
By that paragraph I can tell you have extremely limited knowledge of this. Moses wrote the five books of the Torah under the instruction of God, Genesis being the first. I trust God's word, and I know God is capable of doing the impossible, so he could easily have by passed that problem somehow. Science doesn't 'prove' Adam and Eve wrong nor the Garden of Eden and it never will be able to.
http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/bibleviz/BibleVizArc7mediumOrig.jpg
Have a look at that image.
The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years, by 40 different authors from many different walks of life, on three continents, in three different languages, yet its message is perfectly consistent. This visualization represents the over 63,000 cross references between the various chapters in the Bible. This shows the divine nature of the Bible and is yet more evidence that it is inspired by God.
I'm sure for some, it was how they were raised, but there are many people like myself who wasn't raised in any type of religious environment. We never went to Church. We never prayed. We never discussed God or an afterlife. In essence I was raised Agnostic. It wasn't until later in life I had some experiences (many actually) that led me to believe there was something more. I'm sure there are many reasons why people believe in God. For me, it comes down to the many different experiences I have had in my life and still have.
The way our brains our structured makes it attractive to assume a deity for filling in gaps of knowledge for what we don't know.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
Lansdowne5
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.
Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.
ok then, its even older, more time for the stories to exaggerate. Yes but by proving that God doesnt exist in material world also proves he is not real "beyond" this world, spiritual if you must. For example; adam and eve if 2 people started the whole worlds population, dont you think that we would be a bit inbred? If science proves adam/eve/garden of eden wrong, that means that the bible is wrong, which means that God didnt do it. anyway, who knew about this to write down anyway? was adam keeping a journal?
Sorry? For God to exist, he must have existed before he created the material world. Therefore being able to exist outside of it now.
By that paragraph I can tell you have extremely limited knowledge of this. Moses wrote the five books of the Torah under the instruction of God, Genesis being the first. I trust God's word, and I know God is capable of doing the impossible, so he could easily have by passed that problem somehow. Science doesn't 'prove' Adam and Eve wrong nor the Garden of Eden and it never will be able to.
http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/bibleviz/BibleVizArc7mediumOrig.jpg
Have a look at that image.
The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years, by 40 different authors from many different walks of life, on three continents, in three different languages, yet its message is perfectly consistent. This visualization represents the over 63,000 cross references between the various chapters in the Bible. This shows the divine nature of the Bible and is yet more evidence that it is inspired by God.
whered you get 4000 from then?
and im pretty sure there would be more non-believers now, than there would be in the time of jesus. If God was smart, he would do something truly awesome like jesus, now. Or is he a bit camera shy? too much attention from the media? surely it would be a better way to get people to believe?
btw im not saying Jesus is not true, im saying God, and all his miracles arent. Jesus was just a normal man (like the bible says) who influenced a lot of people, who then wrote in metaphors which were taken seriously.
well g2g dinner, but i'll be back...
Well, on occasion, I look out my window or look up at the stars and I say "Golly, this universe sure is too purdy to be a mere coincedence"
Thats why I believe there could be a god.
Why do people believe there isn't one? I think it's silly to come down on either side.SolidSnake35
Because we're rebellious tools of satan.
Nah actually it's just the lack of evidence, the function of mythology in culture and a naturalist worldview.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
FatChuwawa
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.
Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.
ok then, its even older, more time for the stories to exaggerate. Yes but by proving that God doesnt exist in material world also proves he is not real "beyond" this world, spiritual if you must. For example; adam and eve if 2 people started the whole worlds population, dont you think that we would be a bit inbred? If science proves adam/eve/garden of eden wrong, that means that the bible is wrong, which means that God didnt do it. anyway, who knew about this to write down anyway? was adam keeping a journal?
Sorry? For God to exist, he must have existed before he created the material world. Therefore being able to exist outside of it now.
By that paragraph I can tell you have extremely limited knowledge of this. Moses wrote the five books of the Torah under the instruction of God, Genesis being the first. I trust God's word, and I know God is capable of doing the impossible, so he could easily have by passed that problem somehow. Science doesn't 'prove' Adam and Eve wrong nor the Garden of Eden and it never will be able to.
http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/bibleviz/BibleVizArc7mediumOrig.jpg
Have a look at that image.
The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years, by 40 different authors from many different walks of life, on three continents, in three different languages, yet its message is perfectly consistent. This visualization represents the over 63,000 cross references between the various chapters in the Bible. This shows the divine nature of the Bible and is yet more evidence that it is inspired by God.
whered you get 4000 from then?
and im pretty sure there would be more non-believers now, than there would be in the time of jesus. If God was smart, he would do something truly awesome like jesus, now. Or is he a bit camera shy? too much attention from the media? surely it would be a better way to get people to believe?
btw im not saying Jesus is not true, im saying God, and all his miracles arent. Jesus was just a normal man (like the bible says) who influenced a lot of people, who then wrote in metaphors which were taken seriously.
well g2g dinner, but i'll be back...
It was written over a period of about 1500 years and is about 4000 years old. Just like I said.
Simply because of the greater world population there would be more non-believers now. If God was smart? Yeah, and I guess your mind must be equal to that of an omnipotent deity to know God's reasoning heh? He doesn't want to 'get' people to believe, that removes the whole basis of faith. If you can only believe what you can see, there is no point in having faith in the first place.
Lol, you're not saying Jesus isn't true, but you are saying God isn't. I presume you mean, 'wasn't' true, 'isn't' suggests you believe he exists now. The Bible says that Jesus is the Son of God hundreds and hundreds of times, to say it doesn't is just being completely outlandish. Yeah, I guess when he rose from the dead and then later ascended into Heaven, it was all just a big metaphor. :roll:
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Why do people believe there isn't one? I think it's silly to come down on either side.domatron23
Because we're rebellious tools of satan.
Nah actually it's just the lack of evidence, the function of mythology in culture and a naturalist worldview.
It's all to do with doubt.
You have to stay with God constantly or else it doesn't work. With something that is physical, you can see it everday, you get reminded of it, but as soon as you start to doubt God, he disappears.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]wow sounds like you really like God.
ever thought about how you could follow something like this? at school it feels like they are trying to brain wash us into believing is God.
i am not anti-religion. I accept that people can believe in it, but to me it seems kind of farfetched. Believe what you want, but logicality rules this kind of argument
Lansdowne5
Yes I like God.
It shouldn't feel like they are trying to brainwash you.
How can logicality rule this kind of argument out? Miracles can't be explained. I guess you need to experience it for yourself before you can believe.
how can it not? what does christianity have? a 2000 year old book and a whole heap of followers. Science can keep on searching until it finds the answers. once it does, the bible can not beat it.
2000 year old book? Hmmmm, no. A 4000 year old collection of 66 books written by over 40 authors.
Science can prove only what is in the material world, the Bible does far more.
ok then, its even older, more time for the stories to exaggerate. Yes but by proving that God doesnt exist in material world also proves he is not real "beyond" this world, spiritual if you must. For example; adam and eve if 2 people started the whole worlds population, dont you think that we would be a bit inbred? If science proves adam/eve/garden of eden wrong, that means that the bible is wrong, which means that God didnt do it. anyway, who knew about this to write down anyway? was adam keeping a journal?
Sorry? For God to exist, he must have existed before he created the material world. Therefore being able to exist outside of it now.
By that paragraph I can tell you have extremely limited knowledge of this. Moses wrote the five books of the Torah under the instruction of God, Genesis being the first. I trust God's word, and I know God is capable of doing the impossible, so he could easily have by passed that problem somehow. Science doesn't 'prove' Adam and Eve wrong nor the Garden of Eden and it never will be able to.
http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/bibleviz/BibleVizArc7mediumOrig.jpg
Have a look at that image.
The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years, by 40 different authors from many different walks of life, on three continents, in three different languages, yet its message is perfectly consistent. This visualization represents the over 63,000 cross references between the various chapters in the Bible. This shows the divine nature of the Bible and is yet more evidence that it is inspired by God.
whered you get 4000 from then?
and im pretty sure there would be more non-believers now, than there would be in the time of jesus. If God was smart, he would do something truly awesome like jesus, now. Or is he a bit camera shy? too much attention from the media? surely it would be a better way to get people to believe?
btw im not saying Jesus is not true, im saying God, and all his miracles arent. Jesus was just a normal man (like the bible says) who influenced a lot of people, who then wrote in metaphors which were taken seriously.
well g2g dinner, but i'll be back...
It was written over a period of about 1500 years and is about 4000 years old. Just like I said.
Simply because of the greater world population there would be more non-believers now. If God was smart? Yeah, and I guess your mind must be equal to that of an omnipotent deity to know God's reasoning heh? He doesn't want to 'get' people to believe, that removes the whole basis of faith. If you can only believe what you can see, there is no point in having faith in the first place.
Lol, you're not saying Jesus isn't true, but you are saying God isn't. I presume you mean, 'wasn't' true, 'isn't' suggests you believe he exists now. The Bible says that Jesus is the Son of God hundreds and hundreds of times, to say it doesn't is just being completely outlandish. Yeah, I guess when he rose from the dead and then later ascended into Heaven, it was all just a big metaphor. :roll:
well if you put faith that way, then yes he doesnt need to do anything. But why 2000 years ago? why not now? he does want people to believe doesnt he? there is obviously more scientific evidence than biblical. christianity has not nearly as much evidence as science. all it has is recounts from people. hard evidence knows best.
[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Why do people believe there isn't one? I think it's silly to come down on either side.Lansdowne5
Because we're rebellious tools of satan.
Nah actually it's just the lack of evidence, the function of mythology in culture and a naturalist worldview.
It's all to do with doubt.
You have to stay with God constantly or else it doesn't work. With something that is physical, you can see it everday, you get reminded of it, but as soon as you start to doubt God, he disappears.
Sounds about right. Skepticism is the enemy of faith.
Some people need to have faith in something, or somone - for many varying reasons, and others don't (or as much).
Im an atheist, but I still respect peoples beliefs and teachings of religion(s) and god(s), and understand the importance of it.
skrat_01
same, i have no problem with people having a religion. I just dont see how it can be believable.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Some people need to have faith in something, or somone - for many varying reasons, and others don't (or as much).
Im an atheist, but I still respect peoples beliefs and teachings of religion(s) and god(s), and understand the importance of it.
FatChuwawa
same, i have no problem with people having a religion. I just dont see how it can be believable.
And people cant see how what you think can be believable.Its simply opinions against opinions, I wouldn't hold it against them.
well if you put faith that way, then yes he doesnt need to do anything. But why 2000 years ago? why not now? he does want people to believe doesnt he? there is obviously more scientific evidence than biblical. christianity has not nearly as much evidence as science. all it has is recounts from people. hard evidence knows best.
FatChuwawa
It could have been anytime, so why not two thousand years ago? In a society where there is so much evil going on, I wouldn't reward the people by just showing myself to them, I would leave it up to them to decide which path they chose. Science is Man's work, Creation is God's, they're always going to clash. Christianity doesn't need evidence, it's basis is not on evidence, but on faith.
[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Some people need to have faith in something, or somone - for many varying reasons, and others don't (or as much).
Im an atheist, but I still respect peoples beliefs and teachings of religion(s) and god(s), and understand the importance of it.
skrat_01
same, i have no problem with people having a religion. I just dont see how it can be believable.
And people cant see how what you think can be believable.Its simply opinions against opinions, I wouldn't hold it against them.
Surely it would be more reasonable to be agnostic? You can't prove there is a god, and you can't prove there isn't. So to have a belief in one or the other, by the same logic you use to discount God, seems illogical.
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