Why do people deny evolution?

[QUOTE="da_nolo"]Im talking about the manner in which you do it. The manner in which they ask the questions, yes its nice to be sure of yourself, but done so in a right manner. If your out to break someone elses thoughts and beliefs...thats the wrong way in doing it. Asking questions are fine, when done so correctly...like asking a priest instead of some random person on the Internet. or being so rude and disrespectful your trying to argue with the person that is trying to help you...not to say that you are doing this.DeeJayInphinity

maybe that was wrong to say (someone may mis use it) but I didnt mean it.da_nolo

Its not deciding to learn something, but deciding to Trust what you have learned or could learn rather than Trusting God and going out to make that most evidant. Thats the rebelion. da_nolo

Im glad you got the joke, adn apparently got somewhere near or actually got the understanding part :) have a nice day.

And talking about the scientific method...code of ethics correct? Did you know that there is a code of ethics for Scientists and biologists and the such? My biology teacher spoke of it during class one day...and using science to disrpove the supernatural was one of the no no's. I guess those who try to disprove God never got that part.

Well like I said, have a nice day...

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

No I'm talking about before there was any breathing creature on earth,before life,they believe it was chance that the earth holded the necessary elements to create lifeforms,not considering a god,but by chance the earth was a Lucky planet to provide enough resources to produce life,I was talking about going from no life to life on earth.

DeeJayInphinity

So as long as you have the chemicals to make primitive molecules, and primitive cells, they will occur eventually.

So it's not by chance that the earth is the only planet that holds life forms?

Of course that's what atheists believe...

thought this would be a nice addition :)

Speaking for myself,we deny it because it isn't 100% certain.As close as the DNA can get from one generation to another it will continue to be deny until pure evidence is given.Some people still believe that dinosaurs never existed even with the fossil and bones found.Until we get some sorta machine that can use DNA to bring back life,evolution may never be proven.Legend002

thought this would be a nice addition :)

da_nolo

Propaganda?

thought this would be a nice addition :)

da_nolo

[QUOTE="da_nolo"]

thought this would be a nice addition :)

kruesader

Propaganda?

Im glad you got the joke, adn apparently got somewhere near or actually got the understanding part :) have a nice day.

And talking about the scientific method...code of ethics correct? Did you know that there is a code of ethics for Scientists and biologists and the such? My biology teacher spoke of it during class one day...and using science to disrpove the supernatural was one of the no no's. I guess those who try to disprove God never got that part.

Well like I said, have a nice day...

da_nolo

everything said on this thread could be called that....best we just stay away from it and not judge people....hows that sound.da_nolo

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="da_nolo"]Im talking about the manner in which you do it. The manner in which they ask the questions, yes its nice to be sure of yourself, but done so in a right manner. If your out to break someone elses thoughts and beliefs...thats the wrong way in doing it. Asking questions are fine, when done so correctly...like asking a priest instead of some random person on the Internet. or being so rude and disrespectful your trying to argue with the person that is trying to help you...not to say that you are doing this.da_nolo

maybe that was wrong to say (someone may mis use it) but I didnt mean it.da_nolo

Its not deciding to learn something, but deciding to Trust what you have learned or could learn rather than Trusting God and going out to make that most evidant. Thats the rebelion. da_nolo

Im glad you got the joke, adn apparently got somewhere near or actually got the understanding part :) have a nice day.

And talking about the scientific method...code of ethics correct? Did you know that there is a code of ethics for Scientists and biologists and the such? My biology teacher spoke of it during class one day...and using science to disrpove the supernatural was one of the no no's. I guess those who try to disprove God never got that part.

Well like I said, have a nice day...

I've never heard of that particular ethics rule conerning disproving the supernatural. And I've had to take two courses on ethics in science (seeing as how I'm a psychology/neuroscience major). There's a lot of stuff about protecting the rights of your participants (human or otherwise) but nothing about leaving the supernatural alone. Indeed, just looking at the scientific literature out there should tell you that your teacher had no ****ing idea what he was talking about. There's a fair amount of research out there on the psychology of religious belief (that goes so far as to explain the physiological processes involved in praying and scientifically explain why people have spiritual experiences), and there's certainly been no effort to hold back when it comes to thrashing bigfoot, ghosts, the various stories in the bible and other religious texts, and every other supernatural phenomena out there. The way that science works is to present empirical truth. If something is false and after testing we find out its false, well then too bad.

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Biology is just a term dumbed by scientists on how the life beings on earth work,we aren't really that different from the other creations god created,however we we're created in his image,and we are god's....best work i guess you could say.We are dominate over over animals,because that's the way god meant it to be.

C_Town_Soul

Let me ask you another question. Why does God make it appear as if organisms evolve as evidence by the fossil record, ERVs, etc. Are you admitting god is deceitful? Why do you praise and worship something that is there just to fool you?

So it's not by chance that the earth is the only planet that holds life forms?

Of course that's what atheists believe...

blacktorn

[QUOTE="da_nolo"]everything said on this thread could be called that....best we just stay away from it and not judge people....hows that sound.foxhound_fox

especially when making the statement of whether something is true or not

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Biology is just a term dumbed by scientists on how the life beings on earth work,we aren't really that different from the other creations god created,however we we're created in his image,and we are god's....best work i guess you could say.We are dominate over over animals,because that's the way god meant it to be.

TheFlush

Let me ask you another question. Why does God make it appear as if organisms evolve as evidence by the fossil record, ERVs, etc. Are you admitting god is deceitful? Why do you praise and worship something that is there just to fool you?

Let's not forget that God really took his time revealing himself. Judaism only came into existence 5,000 years ago. Compare that to the 10,000 years that Hinduism has been around, the 50,000 years of religiousity in human history, or the 150,000 years that humanity has been on earth and one has to wonder why God took so long to show people the truth considering how pissed he gets when even one person doesn't believe in him.

depends on what is being said and how it is looked at :)

especially when making the statement of whether something is true or not

da_nolo

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

So it's not by chance that the earth is the only planet that holds life forms?

Of course that's what atheists believe...

DeeJayInphinity

But the chances of a planet forming where the Earth is and supporting life are pretty hard to calculate. If you can develop a way to calculate those odds, you will probably get a Noble Prize because you'd have to know everything there is to know about planetary formation and the exact way the Earth was developed, and that takes a lot of brain power. Good luck!

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earth,and you just dodged the fact that you believe you are the result of coincidence of natural phenomenons.Scientists far and large believe we are the result of coincidence,that the earth formed the way it did ect,which in my eyes is very sad,that they choose to go that route instead of believing in a creator and there hearts.Rebellion is very ugly...

P.S. I'm going bed

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earthblacktorn

I've never heard of that particular ethics rule conerning disproving the supernatural. And I've had to take two courses on ethics in science (seeing as how I'm a psychology/neuroscience major). There's a lot of stuff about protecting the rights of your participants (human or otherwise) but nothing about leaving the supernatural alone. Indeed, just looking at the scientific literature out there should tell you that your teacher had no ****ing idea what he was talking about. There's a fair amount of research out there on the psychology of religious belief (that goes so far as to explain the physiological processes involved in praying and scientifically explain why people have spiritual experiences), and there's certainly been no effort to hold back when it comes to thrashing bigfoot, ghosts, the various stories in the bible and other religious texts, and every other supernatural phenomena out there. The way that science works is to present empirical truth. If something is false and after testing we find out its false, well then too bad.gameguy6700

too bad theres no evidence to claim otherwise of ghosts or anyother supernatural...for that matter.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

So it's not by chance that the earth is the only planet that holds life forms?

Of course that's what atheists believe...

blacktorn

But the chances of a planet forming where the Earth is and supporting life are pretty hard to calculate. If you can develop a way to calculate those odds, you will probably get a Noble Prize because you'd have to know everything there is to know about planetary formation and the exact way the Earth was developed, and that takes a lot of brain power. Good luck!

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earth,and you just dodged the fact that you believe you are the result of coincidence of natural phenomenons.Scientists far and large believe we are the result of coincidence,that the earth formed the way it did ect,which in my eyes is very sad,that they choose to go that route instead of believing in a creator and there hearts.Rebellion is very ugly...

P.S. I'm going bed

I'm pretty sure some very reasonably photographic (and other) evidence has been collected to support the theory of there being life on other planets and their moons, such as evidence for there having been water at some point and still is inside the planets and moons.

It is incredibly ignorant to say there is no life anywhere else, do you have any idea of how many galaxies there are?

I'm trying to make sense of what else you said, but I didn't succeed.

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earth,and you just dodged the fact that you believe you are the result of coincidence of natural phenomenons.Scientists far and large believe we are the result of coincidence,that the earth formed the way it did ect,which in my eyes is very sad,that they choose to go that route instead of believing in a creator and there hearts.Rebellion is very ugly...P.S. I'm going bed

blacktorn

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

So it's not by chance that the earth is the only planet that holds life forms?

Of course that's what atheists believe...

blacktorn

But the chances of a planet forming where the Earth is and supporting life are pretty hard to calculate. If you can develop a way to calculate those odds, you will probably get a Noble Prize because you'd have to know everything there is to know about planetary formation and the exact way the Earth was developed, and that takes a lot of brain power. Good luck!

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earth,and you just dodged the fact that you believe you are the result of coincidence of natural phenomenons.Scientists far and large believe we are the result of coincidence,that the earth formed the way it did ect,which in my eyes is very sad,that they choose to go that route instead of believing in a creator and there hearts.Rebellion is very ugly...

P.S. I'm going bed

Considering we've surveyed less than 2% of our galaxy (which is a mere speck of dust, if even that, compared to the rest of the universe) its not terribly surprising that we haven't found life on other planets yet. Hell, we're still discovering moons and planetoids in our solar system. But even considering that increadibly small amount of space we've surveyed we've still managed to find 287 extrasolar planets and astronmers are rather certain that we've already missed countless more due to the fact that our methods for finding planets aren't sensitive enough to detect earth-sized planets yet.

Now why do I point all this out? Well, if you knew anything about statistics you would know that the probability of an event increases as more trials are performed. While meeting the conditions necessary for life may seem absurdly small you have to keep in mind that in what is essentially an infinite universe it is completely unsurprising that a planet with life managed to emerge. If anything it would be mindblowingly astonishing to find out that only our planet has life out of every other planet in the universe.

What critics of evolution seem to forget is that the universe didn't look at blueprints and expanded it self to such, it just happened as it did and we are the product of early organisms adapting to the conditions of the time. It is stupid to say anything about us or other organisms being "perfect" since it never will be "perfect", the conditions on earth will keep changing and the weaker species that cannot adapt will not survive.

Considering we've surveyed less than 2% of our galaxy (which is a mere speck of dust, if even that, compared to the rest of the universe)

gameguy6700

Are you sure about 2%? There are billions of galaxies, if not more, and we've only been able to land humans on the moon so I wouldn't call that properly surveying any other planets...

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]I've never heard of that particular ethics rule conerning disproving the supernatural. And I've had to take two courses on ethics in science (seeing as how I'm a psychology/neuroscience major). There's a lot of stuff about protecting the rights of your participants (human or otherwise) but nothing about leaving the supernatural alone. Indeed, just looking at the scientific literature out there should tell you that your teacher had no ****ing idea what he was talking about. There's a fair amount of research out there on the psychology of religious belief (that goes so far as to explain the physiological processes involved in praying and scientifically explain why people have spiritual experiences), and there's certainly been no effort to hold back when it comes to thrashing bigfoot, ghosts, the various stories in the bible and other religious texts, and every other supernatural phenomena out there. The way that science works is to present empirical truth. If something is false and after testing we find out its false, well then too bad.da_nolo

too bad theres no evidence to claim otherwise of ghosts or anyother supernatural...for that matter.

There's no evidence for your god either. Or any god for that matter.

And neuroscience is a field of biology. I suggest you stop posting on this subject now since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Considering we've surveyed less than 2% of our galaxy (which is a mere speck of dust, if even that, compared to the rest of the universe)

MindFreeze

Are you sure about 2%? There are billions of galaxies, if not more, and we've only been able to land humans on the moon so I wouldn't call that properly surveying any other planets...

That's the statistic I hear thrown around. Note that I said 2% of our galaxy, not the universe. But as you pointed out that figure is being generous with the term "survey". I was merely using the statistic to show that in terms of knowledge about what's out there we know next to nothing.

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Considering we've surveyed less than 2% of our galaxy (which is a mere speck of dust, if even that, compared to the rest of the universe)

gameguy6700

Are you sure about 2%? There are billions of galaxies, if not more, and we've only been able to land humans on the moon so I wouldn't call that properly surveying any other planets...

That's the statistic I hear thrown around. Note that I said 2% of our galaxy, not the universe. But as you pointed out that figure is being generous with the term "survey". I was merely using the statistic to show that in terms of knowledge about what's out there we know next to nothing.

Ohh haha ofcourse. Yea that could be right, and you're right, we know almost nothing about our universe.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Considering we've surveyed less than 2% of our galaxy (which is a mere speck of dust, if even that, compared to the rest of the universe)

MindFreeze

Are you sure about 2%? There are billions of galaxies, if not more, and we've only been able to land humans on the moon so I wouldn't call that properly surveying any other planets...

That's the statistic I hear thrown around. Note that I said 2% of our galaxy, not the universe. But as you pointed out that figure is being generous with the term "survey". I was merely using the statistic to show that in terms of knowledge about what's out there we know next to nothing.

Ohh haha ofcourse. Yea that could be right, and you're right, we know almost nothing about our universe.

I think that gives us some reason to not whole-heartedly believe in the big bang... ;)

Edit: Lol, I love how long this thread has been going on... Has it been 2 or 3 days already?

I think that gives us some reason to not whole-heartedly believe in the big bang... ;)brightshadow525

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Considering we've surveyed less than 2% of our galaxy (which is a mere speck of dust, if even that, compared to the rest of the universe)

brightshadow525

Are you sure about 2%? There are billions of galaxies, if not more, and we've only been able to land humans on the moon so I wouldn't call that properly surveying any other planets...

That's the statistic I hear thrown around. Note that I said 2% of our galaxy, not the universe. But as you pointed out that figure is being generous with the term "survey". I was merely using the statistic to show that in terms of knowledge about what's out there we know next to nothing.

Ohh haha ofcourse. Yea that could be right, and you're right, we know almost nothing about our universe.

I think that gives us some reason to not whole-heartedly believe in the big bang... ;)

Edit: Lol, I love how long this thread has been going on... Has it been 2 or 3 days already?

There's no reason why we need to survey the majority of the universe to be certain of big bang theory (well, I shouldn't say "certain" but you get the idea). In fact that wouldn't even help support it. Saying that is like saying "You need to observe every square inch of the earth before making any conclusions about ancient history".

[QUOTE="brightshadow525"]I think that gives us some reason to not whole-heartedly believe in the big bang... ;)foxhound_fox

Yep... That's basically what I just said... Thanks...? I didn't say I was going to disprove the Big Bang right now... All I said was that the Big Bang shouldn't be engraved in people's heads as the truth, because I know people who consider it a complete truth.

Yep... That's basically what I just said... Thanks...? I didn't say I was going to disprove the Big Bang right now... All I said was that the Big Bang shouldn't be engraved in people's heads as the truth, because I know people who consider it a complete truth.brightshadow525

[QUOTE="brightshadow525"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"]

Ohh haha ofcourse. Yea that could be right, and you're right, we know almost nothing about our universe.

gameguy6700

I think that gives us some reason to not whole-heartedly believe in the big bang... ;)

Edit: Lol, I love how long this thread has been going on... Has it been 2 or 3 days already?

There's no reason why we need to survey the majority of the universe to be certain of big bang theory (well, I shouldn't say "certain" but you get the idea). In fact that wouldn't even help support it. Saying that is like saying "You need to observe every square inch of the earth before making any conclusions about ancient history".

Um, I wouldn't really make that analogy. The universe is much much larger than the Earth... You said we only know 2% of the galaxy, according to that I'm guessing we know less than... .0000 Something or other (I'm just making up numbers here). We know quite a lot about the Earth... If I'm not mistaken, we've explored every piece of land on the earth, the oceans are a different story. I think it's a lot safer to make assumptions about the earth's past with our current knowledge than making assumptions about the universe with out current knowledge.

I'd like to meet these people who consider it the "complete truth" because any rational person knowledgeable of the scientific method knows that that is an impossibility.foxhound_fox

Lol, you don't want to meet them, I wish I didn't.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="brightshadow525"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"]

Ohh haha ofcourse. Yea that could be right, and you're right, we know almost nothing about our universe.

brightshadow525

I think that gives us some reason to not whole-heartedly believe in the big bang... ;)

Edit: Lol, I love how long this thread has been going on... Has it been 2 or 3 days already?

There's no reason why we need to survey the majority of the universe to be certain of big bang theory (well, I shouldn't say "certain" but you get the idea). In fact that wouldn't even help support it. Saying that is like saying "You need to observe every square inch of the earth before making any conclusions about ancient history".

Um, I wouldn't really make that analogy. The universe is much much larger than the Earth... You said we only know 2% of the galaxy, according to that I'm guessing we know less than... .0000 Something or other (I'm just making up numbers here). We know quite a lot about the Earth... If I'm not mistaken, we've explored every piece of land on the earth, the oceans are a different story. I think it's a lot safer to make assumptions about the earth's past with our current knowledge than making assumptions about the universe with out current knowledge.

You missed the entire analogy. You don't need to know about all of existence to know what happened in one particular area at one particular time. And when we're talking about the occurance of an event we don't even need to know where it happened, just that it did.

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earth,and you just dodged the fact that you believe you are the result of coincidence of natural phenomenons.Scientists far and large believe we are the result of coincidence,that the earth formed the way it did ect,which in my eyes is very sad,that they choose to go that route instead of believing in a creator and there hearts.Rebellion is very ugly...

P.S. I'm going bed

blacktorn

[QUOTE="da_nolo"]depends on what is being said and how it is looked at :)

especially when making the statement of whether something is true or not

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earthfoxhound_fox

And yet maybe this has something to do with your paper? therefore you would be working on it. Have you observed evolution....apparently it takes millions of years...maybe thousands...can you tell me of a person who has observed this occurance? no, thats because no one has....but what has happened is that they observe is the result. The current animal and through changes of the surrounding enviroment which can be done through studing characters of what it is during the observation and studing particals, atoms, rocks, rock sediment, plant life, etc. Through these studies along with even fosil records, scientists then can create a conclusion that there could have been changes in a particular animal. This study is worked on further in looking at biology and genetics and etc. (I say etc. cause theres a lot to go into it). And its real easy to just skip your words, as many choose to close their eyes and miss the Word.da_nolo

How is this Earth dated again? through carbon data in the rock? because carbon always trans...I dont know.

But what is best about the Bible (long distance from where I started in this post) is how much of it is True...determined through everyone in it, and everything besides that.

[QUOTE="da_nolo"]And yet maybe this has something to do with your paper? therefore you would be working on it. Have you observed evolution....apparently it takes millions of years...maybe thousands...can you tell me of a person who has observed this occurance? no, thats because no one has....but what has happened is that they observe is the result. The current animal and through changes of the surrounding enviroment which can be done through studing characters of what it is during the observation and studing particals, atoms, rocks, rock sediment, plant life, etc. Through these studies along with even fosil records, scientists then can create a conclusion that there could have been changes in a particular animal. This study is worked on further in looking at biology and genetics and etc. (I say etc. cause theres a lot to go into it). And its real easy to just skip your words, as many choose to close their eyes and miss the Word.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

So it's not by chance that the earth is the only planet that holds life forms?

Of course that's what atheists believe...

MindFreeze

But the chances of a planet forming where the Earth is and supporting life are pretty hard to calculate. If you can develop a way to calculate those odds, you will probably get a Noble Prize because you'd have to know everything there is to know about planetary formation and the exact way the Earth was developed, and that takes a lot of brain power. Good luck!

There is no supporting evidence what-so-ever that life has existed on planets other than earth,and you just dodged the fact that you believe you are the result of coincidence of natural phenomenons.Scientists far and large believe we are the result of coincidence,that the earth formed the way it did ect,which in my eyes is very sad,that they choose to go that route instead of believing in a creator and there hearts.Rebellion is very ugly...

P.S. I'm going bed

I'm pretty sure some very reasonably photographic (and other) evidence has been collected to support the theory of there being life on other planets and their moons, such as evidence for there having been water at some point and still is inside the planets and moons.

It is incredibly ignorant to say there is no life anywhere else, do you have any idea of how many galaxies there are?

I'm trying to make sense of what else you said, but I didn't succeed.

How is this Earth dated again? through carbon data in the rock? because carbon always trans...I dont know.

But what is best about the Bible (long distance from where I started in this post) is how much of it is True...determined through everyone in it, and everything besides that.

da_nolo

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]You're right, humans didn't evolve from monkeys. Unfortunetely for you no one ever said they did. Humans did evolve from the ancient apes, the same apes our many species (including monkeys) of apes today also evolved from.
da_nolo

Yes, that's called being wrong. It happens from time to time. That's a cool thing about science; it makes a theory based on all the evidence it can find at the time. Later on, if some new evidence that proves the old theory wrong is found, science takes it, says "Wow, I've been so stupid, LOL" and revises or makes a new theory based on the new evidence. Dogma, on the other hand, simply says "This is how it is!", and if some new evidence comes along, dogma plugs its ears, shuts its eyes, and says "That's wrong because I already said how it is! Anything that disagrees with me is WRONG!"

read darwin's book. he himself says that his theory has huge loopholes in itsavinger

If you read it out of context, like the eye part. God that is just hillarious.

i bet in a few weeks a christian is going to make a "why do people deny creationism" thread christians are ignorant they believe what a preacher tells them to believe, thats a problem with humanity these days theyre always looking for the next voice to guide them. go your own damn path dont believe what some preacher said and how the ***k is it possible that one man died to save all of humanity? and dont you think its kinda funny that it had to be jesus? christians and atheists will never get along its human nature to have conflict.