Why do people deny evolution?

read darwin's book. he himself says that his theory has huge loopholes in itsavinger

Even though said book is over 100 years old and Science has progressed at an exponential rate and the Theory of Evolution is a lot more profound and complete than Darwin's Origin of Species. Quit living in the past.

i dont look at the similatirites

Evolution occurs so quickly among bacteria that you can actually observe it (as I have).

Start culturing bacteria, then slowly add increasing amounts of an antibiotic. If you keep the food and oxygen supply constant, you will see the population drop quickly, then recover as the bacteria evolve to fight the antibiotic. Depending on temperature and mixing of the bacterial soup, this will probably take less than a week.

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

123625

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

americahellyeah

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

Its already been proven.

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

americahellyeah

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

I just outlined a procedure to demonstrate evolution that you could probably perform in your own home if you had the dedication.

Of course, you are free to have your own opinion, but any statement declaring there is not enough evidence for evolution is misguided.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

ThaSod

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

I just outlined a procedure to demonstrate evolution that you could probably perform in your own home if you had the dedication.

Of course, you are free to have your own opinion, but any statement declaring there is not enough evidence for evolution is misguided.

none of the "facts" its based on can be proved true... i'm not saying that evolution doesn't happen, i know it does. i'm jsut saying that thats not how it started... untill scientific evidence can actually prove me wrong it didn't happen.

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

xxDustmanxx

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

Its already been proven.

link?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

americahellyeah

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

Its already been proven.

link?

i cant just give you a link.Youd have to study up on it yourself.Of-course you wont because you could care less about facts.

[QUOTE="ThaSod"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

americahellyeah

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

I just outlined a procedure to demonstrate evolution that you could probably perform in your own home if you had the dedication.

Of course, you are free to have your own opinion, but any statement declaring there is not enough evidence for evolution is misguided.

none of the "facts" its based on can be proved true... i'm not saying that evolution doesn't happen, i know it does. i'm jsut saying that thats not how it started... untill scientific evidence can actually prove me wrong it didn't happen.

So you're saying that evolution is true, but that in the beginning God caused the first spark that started life.

OK, well I can accept that there is no evidence to disprove that. Who knows? That's what might have happened.

i cant just give you a link.Youd have to study up on it yourself.Of-course you wont because you could care less about facts.

xxDustmanxx

i have studied it, extensively, for months at a time. and there is no conclusive evidence that it happened, nor will there ever be. because all the "facts" on which it claims to be based are based off of theories and ideas that can never be proven..

So you're saying that evolution is true, but that in the beginning God caused the first spark that started life.

OK, well I can accept that there is no evidence to disprove that. Who knows? That's what might have happened.

ThaSod

i believe gods 6 thousand year plan, and i don't believe the earth is much older than that,... blind carbon dates of "43 million" year old fossils have come up with 4 and 5 thousand year old dates.

darwinism/evolution is the same as any other religion, except instead of faith, it has theories and ridiculous scientific "logic" based off of those theories...

unfortunatly unless god has something to say about it, or monkeys start talking, there is no way to prove either evolution, or creationism..

So you're saying that evolution is true, but that in the beginning God caused the first spark that started life.

OK, well I can accept that there is no evidence to disprove that. Who knows? That's what might have happened.

ThaSod

And if you really want evidence, read my blog. The latest post explains a great piece of evidence of the evolution of land mammales to cetaceans (whales, dolphins, and purpoises).

i believe gods 6 thousand year plan, and i don't believe the earth is much older than that,... blind carbon dates of "43 million" year old fossils have come up with 4 and 5 thousand year old dates.

darwinism/evolution is the same as any other religion, except instead of faith, it has theories and ridiculous scientific "logic" based off of those theories...

unfortunatly unless god has something to say about it, or monkeys start talking, there is no way to prove either evolution, or creationism..

americahellyeah

Some types:

• argon-argon (Ar-Ar)
• fission track dating
• helium (He-He)
• iodine-xenon (I-Xe)
• lanthanum-barium (La-Ba)
• lead-lead (Pb-Pb)
• lutetium-hafnium (Lu-Hf)
• neon-neon (Ne-Ne)
• optically stimulated luminescence dating
• potassium-argon (K-Ar)
• radiocarbon dating
• rhenium-osmium (Re-Os)
• rubidium-strontium (Rb-Sr)
• samarium-neodymium (Sm-Nd)
• uranium-lead (U-Pb)
• uranium-lead-helium (U-Pb-He)
• uranium-thorium (U-Th)
• uranium-uranium (U-U)

[QUOTE="ThaSod"]

So you're saying that evolution is true, but that in the beginning God caused the first spark that started life.

OK, well I can accept that there is no evidence to disprove that. Who knows? That's what might have happened.

C_Town_Soul

And if you really want evidence, read my blog. The latest post explains a great piece of evidence of the evolution of land mammales to cetaceans (whales, dolphins, and purpoises).

okay, then evolutions happens, but did not start things.

God had already started the world spinning 6000 or so years ago and then evolution took over from there.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="ThaSod"]

So you're saying that evolution is true, but that in the beginning God caused the first spark that started life.

OK, well I can accept that there is no evidence to disprove that. Who knows? That's what might have happened.

americahellyeah

And if you really want evidence, read my blog. The latest post explains a great piece of evidence of the evolution of land mammales to cetaceans (whales, dolphins, and purpoises).

okay, then evolutions happens, but did not start things.

God had already started the world spinning 6000 or so years ago and then evolution took over from there.

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

americahellyeah

Maybe most of the Jews around your neighbourhood. Most of us here in Israel don't have a problem accepting the facts of life.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="ThaSod"]

So you're saying that evolution is true, but that in the beginning God caused the first spark that started life.

OK, well I can accept that there is no evidence to disprove that. Who knows? That's what might have happened.

americahellyeah

And if you really want evidence, read my blog. The latest post explains a great piece of evidence of the evolution of land mammales to cetaceans (whales, dolphins, and purpoises).

okay, then evolutions happens, but did not start things.

God had already started the world spinning 6000 or so years ago and then evolution took over from there.

Darwin wasn't even talking about apes-to-humans evolution kind of stuff anyway. People always say this because they want to flame about it and not actually research it. They hear "Darwin" and go "yeah, thats a good name to drop." Darwin was actually only discussing inter-species evolution...like a bird growing a longer beake over time because its food source changed to something where it needed that. Or an animal growing more fur because it moved to an area that had colder temperatures than it was used to. So please do some research before you just hop on the bandwagon.BangsLiekWhoa

So basically...Darwin never wrote "On the Origin of Species".

[QUOTE="BangsLiekWhoa"]Darwin wasn't even talking about apes-to-humans evolution kind of stuff anyway. People always say this because they want to flame about it and not actually research it. They hear "Darwin" and go "yeah, thats a good name to drop." Darwin was actually only discussing inter-species evolution...like a bird growing a longer beake over time because its food source changed to something where it needed that. Or an animal growing more fur because it moved to an area that had colder temperatures than it was used to. So please do some research before you just hop on the bandwagon.jointed

So basically...Darwin never wrote "On the Origin of Species".

Because it is inconsistent with their religious beliefs.Frattracide

agreed

I don't understand, there is so much evidence for evolution, and none for creationism, I really can't understand why people would choose to pretend it doesn't exist.Thanatos1337

Actually, its the other way around. Also, I'm not against micro-evolution, only macro evolution. I can't mention every single piece of evidence for creationism, which is why I do recommend this creationism site.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/postings.asp

Some of you are probably gonna hate me for this, but isn't the point of learning is to understand the other side?

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="BangsLiekWhoa"]Darwin wasn't even talking about apes-to-humans evolution kind of stuff anyway. People always say this because they want to flame about it and not actually research it. They hear "Darwin" and go "yeah, thats a good name to drop." Darwin was actually only discussing inter-species evolution...like a bird growing a longer beake over time because its food source changed to something where it needed that. Or an animal growing more fur because it moved to an area that had colder temperatures than it was used to. So please do some research before you just hop on the bandwagon.DeeJayInphinity

So basically...Darwin never wrote "On the Origin of Species".

did you guys read these or hear from other people what they say?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

americahellyeah

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

Its already been proven.

link?

You dont need a link to know that things evolve because if that was the case there wouldn't be hundreds of different cancers out there, there wouldn't be different kinds of fish or birds. Are you serious right now? Its really common sense. Not only that just because there is evolution it doesn't disprove that there is a god or a high power that made all of this, because in the end there are some things that science cannot and will not prove.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="123625"]

Because it doesnt convince them, and christians and religious people arnt the only ones to deny it. Not all Atheists beleive in Evolution.

americahellyeah

All Chrstistians deny it? Really?

most of us Jews don't believe in evolution either, mainly because of the fact that it never happened :D

and there is no way to prove it.

Its already been proven.

link?

You dont need a link to know that things don't evolve because if that was the case there would be hundreds of different cancers out there, there wouldn't be different kind of fish or birds. Are you serious right now its really common sense. Not only that just because there is evolution it doesn't disprove that there is a god or a high power that made all of this, because in the end there are some things that science cannot and will not prove.

I can't mention every single piece of evidence for creationismWolf-Man2006

Same reason some deny God

and like stated above. micro-evolution is perfectly fine by me and makes logical sense. macro-evolution tho is a problem especially since they still are missing parts of the chain apart from some species that look similar... so a hawk and a sparrow are both birds...i highly doubt they both came from the same great-grandparents...BangsLiekWhoa

There is evidence starting to support that raptors are ancestors of birds, I think one thing to show that, that is becoming more of a fact is to look at a birds foot, and tell me that does not look like a reptile's foot.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="BangsLiekWhoa"]Darwin wasn't even talking about apes-to-humans evolution kind of stuff anyway. People always say this because they want to flame about it and not actually research it. They hear "Darwin" and go "yeah, thats a good name to drop." Darwin was actually only discussing inter-species evolution...like a bird growing a longer beake over time because its food source changed to something where it needed that. Or an animal growing more fur because it moved to an area that had colder temperatures than it was used to. So please do some research before you just hop on the bandwagon.BangsLiekWhoa

So basically...Darwin never wrote "On the Origin of Species".

did you guys read these or hear from other people what they say?

I've never read "The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex", but I've read "On the Origin of Species"...

Birds DID come from reptiles

there are chickens with atavisms that allow them to grow reptilian teeth

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]I can't mention every single piece of evidence for creationismDeeJayInphinity

Sure, though I'm never good at remembering certain things. There was one example in the late 70s when some sort of water dino was found near Japan (it was a few months dead.) I forgot the name, but what I do know is according to Evolution, a certain race will die off and a new one will come. What happened with that water dino? It should have been dead millions of years ago.

Another one is the explanation of the Grand Canyon (i don't believe it has been work of millions of years.) Let me bring up a good example to support my idea. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, it formed a mini grand caynon in a few days. And according to athiests and Evolutionists, it took millions of years just for the Grand Canyon to form.

One of them is in Beowulf as well. When Grendel was described, it mentioned he had a big head, huge jaws, short stubby arms and long legs (guess what it means.) In the story, Beowulf ripped one of its arms off with his bare hands. Now, if it was a dragon as in Lord of the Rings, then it would be impossible to rip its arm off with bare hands. However, the description of Grendel mentioned he had short stubby arms that were very weak.

I gotta go, but thats the evidence for Creationism (whether you believe it or not, at least you know about what most Creationists are thinking.)

Some of you are probably gonna hate me for this, but isn't the point of learning is to understand the other side?

Wolf-Man2006

I don't hate you for it but agree with it... :D How can you know for certain your side is correct until you study both sides? I know that's what I did and I bet you can't tell which side I chose based off of my sig :P

did you guys read these or hear from other people what they say?

BangsLiekWhoa

I wounder what the human race will look like in the future...6 arms, 96 fingers, 4 legs, 2 heads, more holes than now...USB connectivity.

Anyways...I think something had to have sparked that first evolution from bacteria to bug/animal/w.e. Now...it's obvious humans didn't always look like we do now...it's just unreasonable to DENY evolution completely, I don't think that's done anymore. Just the fact that humans were half our size in the roman times is proof enough...the rest are just ideas and theories. Believe what you want.

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

Another one is the explanation of the Grand Canyon (i don't believe it has been work of millions of years.) Let me bring up a good example to support my idea. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, it formed a mini grand caynon in a few days. And according to athiests and Evolutionists, it took millions of years just for the Grand Canyon to form.

blackmagesm

yah because a canyone about 1/1000000 of the size of the grand canyon and made of VOLCANIC ASH is the same thing as a canyon made of LIMESTONE!

I never said they took the same amount of time.

[QUOTE="blackmagesm"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

Another one is the explanation of the Grand Canyon (i don't believe it has been work of millions of years.) Let me bring up a good example to support my idea. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, it formed a mini grand caynon in a few days. And according to athiests and Evolutionists, it took millions of years just for the Grand Canyon to form.

Wolf-Man2006

yah because a canyone about 1/1000000 of the size of the grand canyon and made of VOLCANIC ASH is the same thing as a canyon made of LIMESTONE!

I never said they took the same amount of time.

but you did compare the two which is dishonest because they are completely different

Sure, though I'm never good at remembering certain things. There was one example in the late 70s when some sort of water dino was found near Japan (it was a few months dead.) I forgot the name, but what I do know is according to Evolution, a certain race will die off and a new one will come. What happened with that water dino? It should have been dead millions of years ago.

Another one is the explanation of the Grand Canyon (i don't believe it has been work of millions of years.) Let me bring up a good example to support my idea. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, it formed a mini grand caynon in a few days. And according to athiests and Evolutionists, it took millions of years just for the Grand Canyon to form.

One of them is in Beowulf as well. When Grendel was described, it mentioned he had a big head, huge jaws, short stubby arms and long legs (guess what it means.) In the story, Beowulf ripped one of its arms off with his bare hands. Now, if it was a dragon as in Lord of the Rings, then it would be impossible to rip its arm off with bare hands. However, the description of Grendel mentioned he had short stubby arms that were very weak.

I gotta go, but thats the evidence for Creationism (whether you believe it or not, at least you know about what most Creationists are thinking.)

Wolf-Man2006

I wounder what the human race will look like in the future...6 arms, 96 fingers, 4 legs, 2 heads, more holes than now...USB connectivity.

Anyways...I think something had to have sparked that first evolution from bacteria to bug/animal/w.e. Now...it's obvious humans didn't always look like we do now...it's just unreasonable to DENY evolution completely, I don't think that's done anymore. Just the fact that humans were half our size in the roman times is proof enough...the rest are just ideas and theories. Believe what you want.

a55assin

The height difference is only because of the difference in diet... as can be seen in places like Japan. The last generation is shorter than the current generation simply because of a change in diet... That's not Evolution.

One of them is in Beowulf as well. When Grendel was described, it mentioned he had a big head, huge jaws, short stubby arms and long legs (guess what it means.) In the story, Beowulf ripped one of its arms off with his bare hands. Now, if it was a dragon as in Lord of the Rings, then it would be impossible to rip its arm off with bare hands. However, the description of Grendel mentioned he had short stubby arms that were very weak.

He was just basically saying dinosaurs died recently rather than millions of years ago. It actually does relate to the subject.

[QUOTE="a55assin"]

I wounder what the human race will look like in the future...6 arms, 96 fingers, 4 legs, 2 heads, more holes than now...USB connectivity.

Anyways...I think something had to have sparked that first evolution from bacteria to bug/animal/w.e. Now...it's obvious humans didn't always look like we do now...it's just unreasonable to DENY evolution completely, I don't think that's done anymore. Just the fact that humans were half our size in the roman times is proof enough...the rest are just ideas and theories. Believe what you want.

mindstorm

The height difference is only because of the difference in diet... as can be seen in places like Japan. The last generation is shorter than the current generation simply because of a change in diet... That's not Evolution.

You're saying we changed shape because of a diet? Because height wasn't the only difference...and I know that there is more than diet...there is environment and just life it's self...but we still change, and that's evolution.

Truthfully..we are becoming weaker...but smarter.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

I wounder what the human race will look like in the future...6 arms, 96 fingers, 4 legs, 2 heads, more holes than now...USB connectivity.

Anyways...I think something had to have sparked that first evolution from bacteria to bug/animal/w.e. Now...it's obvious humans didn't always look like we do now...it's just unreasonable to DENY evolution completely, I don't think that's done anymore. Just the fact that humans were half our size in the roman times is proof enough...the rest are just ideas and theories. Believe what you want.

a55assin

The height difference is only because of the difference in diet... as can be seen in places like Japan. The last generation is shorter than the current generation simply because of a change in diet... That's not Evolution.

You're saying we changed shape because of a diet? Because height wasn't the only difference...and I know that there is more than diet...there is environment and just life it's self...but we still change, and that's evolution.

Truthfully..we are becoming weaker...but smarter.

Just because we are coming up with new inventions does not mean we are smarter... The only way to prove we are getting smarter is to see how much a person can learn on their own without outside knowledge. What I'm saying is we are just making changes to what other people have already done, if we take away what knowledge we have now then we'd be no different than how people used to be, possibly be even have less smarts. It isn't possible to test this as we can't time travel to compare the intellect of people in the past to the people of today.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

I wounder what the human race will look like in the future...6 arms, 96 fingers, 4 legs, 2 heads, more holes than now...USB connectivity.

Anyways...I think something had to have sparked that first evolution from bacteria to bug/animal/w.e. Now...it's obvious humans didn't always look like we do now...it's just unreasonable to DENY evolution completely, I don't think that's done anymore. Just the fact that humans were half our size in the roman times is proof enough...the rest are just ideas and theories. Believe what you want.

a55assin

The height difference is only because of the difference in diet... as can be seen in places like Japan. The last generation is shorter than the current generation simply because of a change in diet... That's not Evolution.

You're saying we changed shape because of a diet? Because height wasn't the only difference...and I know that there is more than diet...there is environment and just life it's self...but we still change, and that's evolution.

Truthfully..we are becoming weaker...but smarter.

Just because we are coming up with new inventions does not mean we are smarter... The only way to prove we are getting smarter is to see how much a person can learn on their own without outside knowledge. What I'm saying is we are just making changes to what other people have already done, if we take away what knowledge we have now then we'd be no different than how people used to be, possibly be even have less smarts. It isn't possible to test this as we can't time travel to compare the intellect of people in the past to the people of today.

In the times of Jesus and before it would be common place for people memorize the entire Hebrew Bible, how many of you can do that?

People deny evolution, because belief CAN be stronger than knowledge. If they really believe, then they may see evidence, but fact isn't strong enough. It's actually very uplifting to see.OfficialJab

That's what happens on both sides of the argument... It's interesting how people look at the evidence with presuppositions already in mind... There is no unbiased person...

[QUOTE="Thanatos1337"]I don't understand, there is so much evidence for evolution, and none for creationism, I really can't understand why people would choose to pretend it doesn't exist.Wolf-Man2006

Actually, its the other way around. Also, I'm not against micro-evolution, only macro evolution. I can't mention every single piece of evidence for creationism, which is why I do recommend this creationism site.

snip

Some of you are probably gonna hate me for this, but isn't the point of learning is to understand the other side?

So, you believe it's possible to walk one meter, but impossible to walk ten meters, even though they are the same action separated only by the amount of time it takes?

Just because we are coming up with new inventions does not mean we are smarter... The only way to prove we are getting smarter is to see how much a person can learn on their own without outside knowledge. What I'm saying is we are just making changes to what other people have already done, if we take away what knowledge we have now then we'd be no different than how people used to be, possibly be even have less smarts. It isn't possible to test this as we can't time travel to compare the intellect of people in the past to the people of today.

In the times of Jesus and before it would be common place for people memorize the entire Hebrew Bible, how many of you can do that?

mindstorm

How is new technology not demonstrate an increase in intelligence?

Of course if we lost our knowledge we would be like the people who didn't have it. That much is rather obvious. What's your point in bringing it up?

Rote memorization is not an indicator of intelligence. Anyone can memorize anything given enough time, what matters is understanding.

[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

I wounder what the human race will look like in the future...6 arms, 96 fingers, 4 legs, 2 heads, more holes than now...USB connectivity.

Anyways...I think something had to have sparked that first evolution from bacteria to bug/animal/w.e. Now...it's obvious humans didn't always look like we do now...it's just unreasonable to DENY evolution completely, I don't think that's done anymore. Just the fact that humans were half our size in the roman times is proof enough...the rest are just ideas and theories. Believe what you want.

mindstorm

The height difference is only because of the difference in diet... as can be seen in places like Japan. The last generation is shorter than the current generation simply because of a change in diet... That's not Evolution.

You're saying we changed shape because of a diet? Because height wasn't the only difference...and I know that there is more than diet...there is environment and just life it's self...but we still change, and that's evolution.

Truthfully..we are becoming weaker...but smarter.

Just because we are coming up with new inventions does not mean we are smarter... The only way to prove we are getting smarter is to see how much a person can learn on their own without outside knowledge. What I'm saying is we are just making changes to what other people have already done, if we take away what knowledge we have now then we'd be no different than how people used to be, possibly be even have less smarts. It isn't possible to test this as we can't time travel to compare the intellect of people in the past to the people of today.

In the times of Jesus and before it would be common place for people memorize the entire Hebrew Bible, how many of you can do that?

we seem to be getting more knowledgeable about a wider variety of things and less knowledgable about any specific thing. and just to be clear knowledge and "smartness"(intelligence) are two different things. the second relies on being able to think on your own and not just recite information. so I'm not so sure that we are any smarter per-se we just have more knowledge.