Why do people think anime is weird?

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#101 lemonfreshpanda
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Berzz"]Because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazakicpo335
~-~OH MY!... %***! BLOODY %*****G HELL! OH MY!..... BLA!..... %*** Aw I did %****** NOT NEED TO KNOW THAT!...... %***! AW $***y F***! Danm:cry:~-~


It's not that bad.

~-~Did we click the same thing?!?! I only read bits and pieces but ****. How can you say it's not that bad?~-~


I read almost the whole thing. Killing girls, sticking lens into.... well, yeah, it is pretty bad

You jsut said it wasn't that bad.

I knew I should have stopped at "deformed hands".
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#102 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Probably because of the pedophilic nature of some of it.  Also cultural differences.

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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Berzz"]Because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_MiyazakiHinata237
~-~OH MY!... %***! BLOODY %*****G HELL! OH MY!..... BLA!..... %*** Aw I did %****** NOT NEED TO KNOW THAT!...... %***! AW $***y F***! Danm:cry:~-~


It's not that bad.

~-~Did we click the same thing?!?! I only read bits and pieces but ****. How can you say it's not that bad?~-~


I read almost the whole thing. Killing girls, sticking lens into.... well, yeah, it is pretty bad

You jsut said it wasn't that bad.


It's pretty bad, but i've seen ALOT worse.

It's not like you were rolling in credibility before, but that was the sound of the last vestiges of it leaving
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#104 Bleeding_Arrow2
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I hate anime as the plot lines are always near the same,al of them are extremely predictable, the main character is always sparing the enemy they have been hunting/fighting the entire series, there's always a whiny girl character that want's to leave everything alone or make friends with everything (and they usualy love the main character), the animation is pathetic with the wide eyes and the moments when people get the drop of water and their faces go huge, horrid dialogue, the said plot line is also very weak... the list goes on.
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#105 Def_Jef88
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Because of the stereotypicall anime losers running around with headbands talking about how awesome episode 428957928 of Naruto was.....
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Because of the stereotypicall anime losers running around with headbands talking about how awesome episode 428957928 of Naruto was.....Def_Jef88
Yea and the fans of the show.
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#107 Bleeding_Arrow2
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Berzz"]Because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazakixaos
~-~OH MY!... %***! BLOODY %*****G HELL! OH MY!..... BLA!..... %*** Aw I did %****** NOT NEED TO KNOW THAT!...... %***! AW $***y F***! Danm:cry:~-~


It's not that bad.

~-~Did we click the same thing?!?! I only read bits and pieces but ****. How can you say it's not that bad?~-~


I read almost the whole thing. Killing girls, sticking lens into.... well, yeah, it is pretty bad

You jsut said it wasn't that bad.


It's pretty bad, but i've seen ALOT worse.

It's not like you were rolling in credibility before, but that was the sound of the last vestiges of it leaving

That guy sounds kind of like Jeff Dahmer
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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="The_PirateKing"][QUOTE="Berzz"]Because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_MiyazakiHinata237
~-~OH MY!... %***! BLOODY %*****G HELL! OH MY!..... BLA!..... %*** Aw I did %****** NOT NEED TO KNOW THAT!...... %***! AW $***y F***! Danm:cry:~-~


It's not that bad.

~-~Did we click the same thing?!?! I only read bits and pieces but ****. How can you say it's not that bad?~-~


I read almost the whole thing. Killing girls, sticking lens into.... well, yeah, it is pretty bad

You jsut said it wasn't that bad.


It's pretty bad, but i've seen ALOT worse.

~-~I haven't... or not that I could remember. Damn the Pizza just got here too. I ate a piece but I can't have anymore. Now I'm all depressed and stuff... *sigh*... I'll get over it... Things like that always do this to me, it's like a phobia... I want to throw up that damn pizza right now.~-~
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Because of the stereotypicall anime losers running around with headbands talking about how awesome episode 428957928 of Naruto was.....Def_Jef88

:lol: Naruto became horrible after Haku died.... they just need to quit the Anime, they are already making a new season... OH MY GOD
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i am a huge anime freak, anime idnt just shows they can be full lengh feature films all sorts really. My fav film is Princess Mononoke, the style flawless, story out of this world and if you watch the film like a billion time like i have you come to see theres a deeper meaning than just man vs nature is more western world vs far eastern world...i guess you just have to watch it to see what i mean.
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#111 Hinata237
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i am a huge anime freak, anime idnt just shows they can be full lengh feature films all sorts really. My fav film is Princess Mononoke, the style flawless, story out of this world and if you watch the film like a billion time like i have you come to see theres a deeper meaning than just man vs nature is more western world vs far eastern world...i guess you just have to watch it to see what i mean.dawso0n

You ever see the anime Blood+? Blood+ is awesome, today I watched the final episode on youtube (episode 50) and it is truly a beautiful masterpeice.
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I hate anime as the plot lines are always near the same,al of them are extremely predictable, the main character is always sparing the enemy they have been hunting/fighting the entire series, there's always a whiny girl character that want's to leave everything alone or make friends with everything (and they usualy love the main character), the animation is pathetic with the wide eyes and the moments when people get the drop of water and their faces go huge, horrid dialogue, the said plot line is also very weak... the list goes on.Bleeding_Arrow2

watch Princess Mononke, Sprited Away, Blood, Goust in the Shell or Sky Blue Before you form your newbie opinion on anime

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[QUOTE="dawso0n"]i am a huge anime freak, anime idnt just shows they can be full lengh feature films all sorts really. My fav film is Princess Mononoke, the style flawless, story out of this world and if you watch the film like a billion time like i have you come to see theres a deeper meaning than just man vs nature is more western world vs far eastern world...i guess you just have to watch it to see what i mean.Hinata237

You ever see the anime Blood+? Blood+ is awesome, today I watched the final episode on youtube (episode 50) and it is truly a beautiful masterpeice.

No blood plus is the series right? ive seen the film 'Blood' was a bit short but out of this world changed my views on vampires forever!

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#114 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="dawso0n"]i am a huge anime freak, anime idnt just shows they can be full lengh feature films all sorts really. My fav film is Princess Mononoke, the style flawless, story out of this world and if you watch the film like a billion time like i have you come to see theres a deeper meaning than just man vs nature is more western world vs far eastern world...i guess you just have to watch it to see what i mean.dawso0n


You ever see the anime Blood+? Blood+ is awesome, today I watched the final episode on youtube (episode 50) and it is truly a beautiful masterpeice.

No blood plus is the series right? ive seen the film 'Blood' was a bit short but out of this world changed my views on vampires forever!


Yeah, Blood+ is the series:D
Here is the opening if you want to get interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRoBJN6HmLc 

It's on Adult swim and Youtube:D

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#115 Chloroformality
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It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

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#116 Hinata237
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It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Chloroformality

Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.
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It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Chloroformality

Titanic was the largest box office smash to hit the UK, America, France ,Germany most of the world except japan...now you ask whats was the biggest film...SPIRITED AWAY is an anime made by studio ghibli it made millions upon millions so while anime may be dismissed by the western world it is certanly life changing in japan

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#118 lemonfreshpanda
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[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Hinata237

Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Not to mention, Grave of the Fireflies, or any of the wonderful movies Hayoa Miyazaki has made.

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#119 Chloroformality
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[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Hinata237


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

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#120 -KinGz-
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[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

I mean its just a show but it's made in Japan!

What do you think?

-KinGz-

 

I don't care what other people says *goes watch Suzumiya haruhi no yuutsu*

 

And to answer ur question, they are idiots. 

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#121 dawso0n
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my top 5 anime films of all time

1. Princess Mononke

2. Goust in the Shell

3. Blood

4. Howls Moving Castle

5. Spirited Away

What can i say i love Studio Ghibli is Grave of the fire flies any good?

P.S. STAY AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO IS BAD, REALY BAD!

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#122 lemonfreshpanda
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my top 5 anime films of all time

1. Princess Mononke

2. Goust in the Shell

3. Blood

4. Howls Moving Castle

5. Spirited Away

What can i say i love Studio Ghibli is Grave of the fire flies any good?

P.S. STAY AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO IS BAD, REALY BAD!

dawso0n
How is My Neighbor Totoro bad?
Anyway, yes, Grave of the Fireflies is amazing, but it's not lightweight entertainment.
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My top 3 favorite animes:

1. Blood+ AWESOME. Opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRoBJN6HmLc

2. Ghost in the shell

3. Kiddy Grade

Im awesome, huh:D

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#124 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="dawso0n"]

my top 5 anime films of all time

1. Princess Mononke

2. Goust in the Shell

3. Blood

4. Howls Moving Castle

5. Spirited Away

What can i say i love Studio Ghibli is Grave of the fire flies any good?

P.S. STAY AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO IS BAD, REALY BAD!

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How is My Neighbor Totoro bad?
Anyway, yes, Grave of the Fireflies is amazing, but it's not lightweight entertainment.


Totoro wasn't really THAT bad. It was entertaining but needed more action.
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#125 Chloroformality
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my top 5 anime films of all time

1. Princess Mononke

2. Goust in the Shell

3. Blood

4. Howls Moving Castle

5. Spirited Away

What can i say i love Studio Ghibli is Grave of the fire flies any good?

P.S. STAY AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO IS BAD, REALY BAD!

dawso0n

Ghost In The Shell was pretty good.

Good story.

But, out of the others in the list that I've seen, that's about it.

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#126 lemonfreshpanda
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[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="dawso0n"]

my top 5 anime films of all time

1. Princess Mononke

2. Goust in the Shell

3. Blood

4. Howls Moving Castle

5. Spirited Away

What can i say i love Studio Ghibli is Grave of the fire flies any good?

P.S. STAY AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO IS BAD, REALY BAD!

Hinata237
How is My Neighbor Totoro bad?
Anyway, yes, Grave of the Fireflies is amazing, but it's not lightweight entertainment.


Totoro wasn't really THAT bad. It was entertaining but needed more action.

Why did it need more action?
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Some are weird, some I really like.
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#128 dawso0n
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Chloroformality


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

Again watch a real anime before you judge i agree 80% of anime is generic crap but most anime has more story than you give credit i understand anime is not for you but calling the story in your face is just stupid quintin taranteno breaks all your rules everyone loves hime why beacause to make  cake you have to break a few eggs now please leave this thread as you are seriously close minded

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#129 dawso0n
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My top 3 favorite animes:

1. Blood+ AWESOME. Opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRoBJN6HmLc

2. Ghost in the shell

3. Kiddy Grade

Im awesome, huh:D

Hinata237

nice list, whats kiddy grade?

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#130 lemonfreshpanda
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[QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

dawso0n


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

Again watch a real anime before you judge i agree 80% of anime is generic crap but most anime has more story than you give credit i understand anime is not for you but calling the story in your face is just stupid quintin taranteno breaks all your rules everyone loves hime why beacause to make  cake you have to break a few eggs now please leave this thread as you are seriously close minded

I agree with alot of what you said, but you're still being rude.
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#131 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

My top 3 favorite animes:

1. Blood+ AWESOME. Opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRoBJN6HmLc

2. Ghost in the shell

3. Kiddy Grade

Im awesome, huh:D

dawso0n

nice list, whats kiddy grade?


It's VERY hard to eplain what Kiddy Grade is because it has so many plots and they change so much...
Here is a good link to explain what it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiddy_Grade

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#132 dawso0n
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[QUOTE="dawso0n"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

lemonfreshpanda


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

Again watch a real anime before you judge i agree 80% of anime is generic crap but most anime has more story than you give credit i understand anime is not for you but calling the story in your face is just stupid quintin taranteno breaks all your rules everyone loves hime why beacause to make  cake you have to break a few eggs now please leave this thread as you are seriously close minded

I agree with alot of what you said, but you're still being rude.

yeah am sorry i forget im writeing to real people somethimes my mouthruns away with me, plus im dylezic so if my grammer and spelling is a little crazy plz forgive me

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#133 Flaming_Ape
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Because it's weird.
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#134 dawso0n
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[QUOTE="dawso0n"][QUOTE="Hinata237"]

My top 3 favorite animes:

1. Blood+ AWESOME. Opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRoBJN6HmLc

2. Ghost in the shell

3. Kiddy Grade

Im awesome, huh:D

Hinata237

nice list, whats kiddy grade?


It's VERY hard to eplain what Kiddy Grade is because it has so many plots and they change so much...
Here is a good link to explain what it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiddy_Grade

Story sounds good might give that a try

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#135 Chloroformality
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[QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

dawso0n


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

Again watch a real anime before you judge i agree 80% of anime is generic crap but most anime has more story than you give credit i understand anime is not for you but calling the story in your face is just stupid quintin taranteno breaks all your rules everyone loves hime why beacause to make  cake you have to break a few eggs now please leave this thread as you are seriously close minded

Again, my point is that MORE story isn't good at all. If someone has to watch a movie twice, just to catch all the loose ends, it hasn't done it's job right. If people have to read a story twice just to understand it, it has downright failed.

I never even said Tarantino was good. I actually can't stand his over-exaggeration with his films. His dialogue tends to be good, but his stories are a little too simple for the sake of visual stimulation. Yet.... like you said.... everyone likes him, right? That MUST make him good.

Seeing as how 50% of America purchaced a George Forman Grill, I don't tend to base the quality of something off of its popular demand.

However, I can see why someone like you would like him, his movies are very action oriented.... like an Anime. However, most of the people your age didn't know who the hell he was until Kill Bill (very Anime like) was released.

Yeah, I do like SOME anime, but when they keep their depth on a lower level and keep their action and story as two different variables.

A lot of action (an Anime favorite) is acceptable among the general public because we're basically monkeys who clap their hands at the first firework we see, which is why so many people like both Anime and Tarantino.

We're either of them books, I'd burn the crap out of them.

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#136 dawso0n
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Because it's weird.Flaming_Ape

why is it so weird its just like a dirrent artistic aproch to story telling

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#137 Setsa
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Most anime kiks @$$ *cough* Hellsing *cough* but there are some that are just stupid (Eureka7, robots on surf boards? comon...)
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#138 lemonfreshpanda
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[QUOTE="dawso0n"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Chloroformality


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

Again watch a real anime before you judge i agree 80% of anime is generic crap but most anime has more story than you give credit i understand anime is not for you but calling the story in your face is just stupid quintin taranteno breaks all your rules everyone loves hime why beacause to make  cake you have to break a few eggs now please leave this thread as you are seriously close minded

Again, my point is that MORE story isn't good at all. If someone has to watch a movie twice, just to catch all the loose ends, it hasn't done it's job right. If people have to read a story twice just to understand it, it has downright failed.

I never even said Tarantino was good. I actually can't stand his over-exaggeration with his films. His dialogue tends to be good, but his stories are a little too simple for the sake of visual stimulation. Yet.... like you said.... everyone likes him, right? That MUST make him good.

Seeing as how 50% of America purchaced a George Forman Grill, I don't tend to base the quality of something off of its popular demand.

However, I can see why someone like you would like him, his movies are very action oriented.... like an Anime. However, most of the people your age didn't know who the hell he was until Kill Bill (very Anime like) was released.

Yeah, I do like SOME anime, but when they keep their depth on a lower level and keep their action and story as two different variables.

A lot of action (an Anime favorite) is acceptable among the general public because we're basically monkeys who clap their hands at the first firework we see, which is why so many people like both Anime and Tarantino.

We're either of them books, I'd burn the crap out of them.

I don't like your comment on visual simulation, mainly because visual stimulation is 50% of filmmaking. But the whole problem I find with your argument is that you're using your literary backround to judge visual arts.
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#139 Eman5805
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Anime is fine. Hentai is weird.
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#140 Hinata237
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Anime is fine. Hentai is weird.Eman5805

Hentai is awesome:D
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#141 dawso0n
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[QUOTE="dawso0n"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

It's not that anime is weird, it's just that the talented artists who have been lucky enough to grace the market with a bugeted picture are crappy storytellers.

Anime suffers from having poor stories. However, seeing as how they're still considered "cartoons," the easily impressed public dismiss the bad storytelling for the pretty imagery.

Nobody expects cartoons to be life-changing, really.

Chloroformality


Dude, it depends on the anime, some animes have wonderful stories. Blood+ is a beautiful anime with a amazing story thats realistic.

Depends on the person.

Some people are easily impressed by what they think is a truly thought-out story, but most animes suffer from cliche elements and themes when it comes to story. That, or they think literature is considered as "experimental" as a medium such as animation and tend to go overboard with the plots, dialogue, etc. In the end, they dish out cliche mixed with a bit of over-exaggeration.

Literature has a lot more rules to it than almost every other medium around. Why? Because not only does a good story have meaning, is relative, and interesting, but it also has restrictions that keep it from being too "in your face."

Anime breaks those rules constantly.

....actually, Japanese storytelling has broken those rules since they entered their now-admirable common era.

The last Japanese story I read that actually made sense and was good was The Tale of Genji..... but..... none of that coming from Japan anymore.

Again watch a real anime before you judge i agree 80% of anime is generic crap but most anime has more story than you give credit i understand anime is not for you but calling the story in your face is just stupid quintin taranteno breaks all your rules everyone loves hime why beacause to make  cake you have to break a few eggs now please leave this thread as you are seriously close minded

Again, my point is that MORE story isn't good at all. If someone has to watch a movie twice, just to catch all the loose ends, it hasn't done it's job right. If people have to read a story twice just to understand it, it has downright failed.

I never even said Tarantino was good. I actually can't stand his over-exaggeration with his films. His dialogue tends to be good, but his stories are a little too simple for the sake of visual stimulation. Yet.... like you said.... everyone likes him, right? That MUST make him good.

Seeing as how 50% of America purchaced a George Forman Grill, I don't tend to base the quality of something off of its popular demand.

However, I can see why someone like you would like him, his movies are very action oriented.... like an Anime. However, most of the people your age didn't know who the hell he was until Kill Bill (very Anime like) was released.

Yeah, I do like SOME anime, but when they keep their depth on a lower level and keep their action and story as two different variables.

A lot of action (an Anime favorite) is acceptable among the general public because we're basically monkeys who clap their hands at the first firework we see, which is why so many people like both Anime and Tarantino.

We're either of them books, I'd burn the crap out of them.

OK first thing first the foreman grill is GODLY!!! secondly the first Tarantino film i saw was Resivour Dogs Thankyou!

Now Mononoke is a MASTERPEICE beacsue it has so much depth to it you simply have to watch it over and over to see so many angels to this one amazing tale, a real faliure is a simple one dimentional film which within one watch i can see every little narrative device that seems like a 8 yearold wrote it (MI3 anyone???) anime isnt just action although i guess one major reason is anime can visualise most things without needing a superhuge budget.

From what you write it seems to me you like non-action simple minded films like lady killers or other really simple minded fimls like that so i think me and you are to opisits to the same extreme

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#142 Eman5805
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[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Anime is fine. Hentai is weird.Hinata237

Hentai is awesome:D

Doesn't mean it's any less weird. :P

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[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Anime is fine. Hentai is weird.Hinata237

Hentai is awesome:D

NO! dude hentai is animes evil brother (i still carnt beleive that sometimes i find cartoons attractive then i snap out of it!)

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#144 Chloroformality
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I don't like your comment on visual simulation, mainly because visual stimulation is 50% of filmmaking. But the whole problem I find with your argument is that you're using your literary backround to judge visual arts.lemonfreshpanda

What people fail to realize is that all of these Anime's you watch start on paper. And I don't mean the drawings, I mean the foundation, the story of the animation. A lot of them rely very heavily on story, but a lot of Japanese studios don't know how to tell the right story.

I'm not even going to give them the benefit of the doubt, they suck at it.

*sigh*..... Alright..... It's like a kid when he's finger painting. He takes every color he can possibly use and smudges it onto the paper, thinking it'll make it better or more interesting. That's contemporary Japanese storytelling. Cramming complimentary colors together, thinking the "unique" variation of warm and cools will make it more interesting.

Well, it does, but that doesn't make it good.

I base the stories of anime off of literature because, well..... they're stories. Just because they're told on cells doesn't mean that they too can be as overly-stylized as the look in which they're portrayed.

Heart of Darkness was told in a Vietnam setting. Same story, completely different setting which is strangely stylized. Why did it work? STOOOORRRYYYY.

Answer me this. How great would these Animes be if they were just books. No illustrations... no visual medium whatsoever... just your own brain...

.......... how well do you then think they'd be recieved?

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#145 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="Eman5805"]Anime is fine. Hentai is weird.dawso0n


Hentai is awesome:D

NO! dude hentai is animes evil brother (i still carnt beleive that sometimes i find cartoons attractive then i snap out of it!)

Yay:D

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Not really sure why some people think Anime is weird just i guess everyone has their own opinion on Anime some watch it and can't stop and become a fan and others well just move on and never watch it again, but as for me i immediately became hooked on Anime the first time i watched it i just find Anime well to sum it up and straight to the point in one simple word AWESOME! ^_^ and i have been a Big Fan of Anime for 6 years now.
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Not really sure why some people think Anime is weird just i guess everyone has their own opinion on Anime some watch it and can't stop and become a fan and others well just move on and never watch it again, but as for me i immediately became hooked on Anime the first time i watched it i just find Anime well to sum it up and straight to the point in one simple word AWESOME! ^_^ and i have been a Big Fan of Anime for 6 years now.Dante-2006

me about 8 years i have a collection of 23 anime and manga's, ive seen alot more rounds about 100+ :D

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[QUOTE="Dante-2006"]Not really sure why some people think Anime is weird just i guess everyone has their own opinion on Anime some watch it and can't stop and become a fan and others well just move on and never watch it again, but as for me i immediately became hooked on Anime the first time i watched it i just find Anime well to sum it up and straight to the point in one simple word AWESOME! ^_^ and i have been a Big Fan of Anime for 6 years now.dawso0n

me about 8 years i have a collection of 23 anime and manga's, ive seen alot more rounds about 100+ :D

Same here i have seen a lot of Anime over the time of being a fan up in the 100s like you..lol when you watch one you must watch more and as for my collection i have 9 box sets and all together i have 43 DVDs in Anime.
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[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"]I don't like your comment on visual simulation, mainly because visual stimulation is 50% of filmmaking. But the whole problem I find with your argument is that you're using your literary backround to judge visual arts.Chloroformality

What people fail to realize is that all of these Anime's you watch start on paper. And I don't mean the drawings, I mean the foundation, the story of the animation. A lot of them rely very heavily on story, but a lot of Japanese studios don't know how to tell the right story.

I'm not even going to give them the benefit of the doubt, they suck at it.

*sigh*..... Alright..... It's like a kid when he's finger painting. He takes every color he can possibly use and smudges it onto the paper, thinking it'll make it better or more interesting. That's contemporary Japanese storytelling. Cramming complimentary colors together, thinking the "unique" variation of warm and cools will make it more interesting.

Well, it does, but that doesn't make it good.

I base the stories of anime off of literature because, well..... they're stories. Just because they're told on cells doesn't mean that they too can be as overly-stylized as the look in which they're portrayed.

Heart of Darkness was told in a Vietnam setting. Same story, completely different setting which is strangely stylized. Why did it work? STOOOORRRYYYY.

Answer me this. How great would these Animes be if they were just books. No illustrations... no visual medium whatsoever... just your own brain...

.......... how well do you then think they'd be recieved?

I think it would depend on how good the characters from the original were.
Story is incredibly important, I agree here, but I think the real reasons people like certain anime is because they like the characters, and if a character has enough depth it can triumph over a cliched plot.
Now, I'm no fan of your typical Naruto or DBZ crap, but I could see why some people might find the characters appealing. I don't, but I do find all the people in, say, Castle in the Sky to have enough likability to stand on their own, even if I didn't care for the plot.
I agree that story is crucial in most cases, but let's look at a Tarantino movie like Pulp Fiction. His ****is to slow down the story and have the characters talk about random crap, and it does nothing for the story. But it makes the people within likable and reveals more about their personalities.
Or let's look at an extreme example: I just watched a movie called L'Eclisse. That movie was about what was unsaid. In fact, if it were a novel, it would be **** boring to read unless the visuals were replaced with text. But the characters made it work, and the visuals told us about their thoughts and feelings. If these simple cues were replaced with plot content, it would've been something completely different, perhaps even lesser.
And that's the flaw I see with your comparison. You said that there are more rules in novels than in movies, and many of these rules don't apply to movies. Actually, I recently read The Metemorphis by Kafka, and it was an amazing book. The story goes something like "Guy transforms into beetle, gets locked in room, dies." It is a bloody boring story. But Gregor was just such a fascinating person, and his psychology so interesting that it didn't matter. You still felt for him.
I'm pretty much just rambling at this point. Oh well, maybe you salvaged my point. Maybe not. 
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I think it would depend on how good the characters from the original were.
Story is incredibly important, I agree here, but I think the real reasons people like certain anime is because they like the characters, and if a character has enough depth it can triumph over a cliched plot.
Now, I'm no fan of your typical Naruto or DBZ crap, but I could see why some people might find the characters appealing. I don't, but I do find all the people in, say, Castle in the Sky to have enough likability to stand on their own, even if I didn't care for the plot.
I agree that story is crucial in most cases, but let's look at a Tarantino movie like Pulp Fiction. His ****is to slow down the story and have the characters talk about random crap, and it does nothing for the story. But it makes the people within likable and reveals more about their personalities.
Or let's look at an extreme example: I just watched a movie called L'Eclisse. That movie was about what was unsaid. In fact, if it were a novel, it would be **** boring to read unless the visuals were replaced with text. But the characters made it work, and the visuals told us about their thoughts and feelings. If these simple cues were replaced with plot content, it would've been something completely different, perhaps even lesser.
And that's the flaw I see with your comparison. You said that there are more rules in novels than in movies, and many of these rules don't apply to movies. Actually, I recently read The Metemorphis by Kafka, and it was an amazing book. The story goes something like "Guy transforms into beetle, gets locked in room, dies." It is a bloody boring story. But Gregor was just such a fascinating person, and his psychology so interesting that it didn't matter. You still felt for him.
I'm pretty much just rambling at this point. Oh well, maybe you salvaged my point. Maybe not. lemonfreshpanda

Characters are a big part in story, probably the biggest - I had to take a course on Character developement alone. However, flashy and interesting characters (alone) only add to my arguement of making a feature too unprocessed.

It's like James Bond, a very attractive character (motive wise, not look wise). If every story of his had him fighting the same man with the golden gun, and porking the same girl, you really couldn't help but be a little timid about the story.

I'm glad you said that, because Characters are what RPGs tend to fall back on a lot. But, as deep and relatable as the characters may be, if I don't care about what they're doing, I don't care about them.

I have to take things like all of these into account because I don't want to produce anything as "ape friendly" as most Animes are (no offense). Anyone can be impressed by a flashy production, but there's no talent in that, because anyone can make something like that..... believe me, they can.

I myself am majoring in 3D animation only because, on top of my principles of storytelling, I want a better understanding of the advanced effects tools we have to better tell my stories. However, I don't want ALL effects and no flavor, if you know what I mean.

That's all I really see Anime as: A fast-looking car with a pretty paint job, but without the right engine to run it properly.