Why do people try so hard to save their life?

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#51 JustusCF
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Fight or flight. We all want control, and the ultimate loss of control is losing your life. Those who die for causes do so in full control, those who die from depression are not... Therefore an attempt to get better is always wanted, unless they refuse to admit to themselves that they are not in control. Even the worst of junkies have an innate want to live, and if not there's a good chance they're free-willed and under the illusion that they're in full control, so it's sort of like dying for a cause, the cause of freewill.

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I am grateful that I (my brain) has had a chance to live, I do not believe my life is meaningful to existence of everything in general, but I'll happily take advantage of it. Once I'm dead everything I have ever done is gone, no more marriage, no more children, no more love or video games... In a way it's depressing, but I also know that I won't be conscious as my brain will be "gone" so it will just be like a great, dark sleep, no reminiscing allowed :P.

I believe we're unique like an ipod is unique, there's millions that are used and then thrown away, each and every single one is different from the other even if only from a microscopic view, that doesn't mean that because of the volume of uniqueness that there needs to be a ipod heaven where they all go, they're just thrown away never to be operable again. Of course unlike ipods I believe humans developed naturally throughout the years.

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#52 Stavrogin_
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Basically i don't want to die because life is all i have. When i die i'll just return in the nothingness that i came from and i don't want that to happen anytime soon.
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#53 CreasianDevaili
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Because we are self aware. We can make that choice. Just because someone cannot see the reasoning behind one route of that choice does not mean it has no merit.
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#54 chaoscougar1
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If you have to ask this, you need help

wis3boi

Would tend to agree, we only get one shot at life, why waste it? Yeah, we are going to die eventually, however we don't know whats waiting for us when we do so why not make the best of and try and extend the life we know?

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#55 Sora529
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Because I love my life. Sure, my life is far from perfect, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I love taking on new challenges, trying new things, meeting new people. If I was dead, all I could do is sit there and be dead. Boring...

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#56 Baconbits2004
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The op and mmmwksil have both reminded me that I haven't drinkin' my tea today.
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#57 racing1750
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Let me get this straight man. You want us to give up at life and wait possibly a couple of decades for our demise? Or we could you know make the best of what we have and get the most out of our lifes?
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#58 NiKva
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It wouldn't be too bad to live another day.

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#59 parkurtommo
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Maybe because if we die... err uhhh... we die.

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#60 The_Gaming_Baby
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It is programmed in our DNA to fight for survival.

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#61 MissLibrarian
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I guess it's easy to see all the countless things one might want to see and do and live through when you think your time is running out.

This thread has put The Fray in my head for some reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0wRfHjF5M

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#62 ZEYAAM898
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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Because nobody likes uncertainty and the unknown. I don't care if you are the most religious person in the world, everyone is scared and has their doubts of what may happen after you die. It is better to do something you already know (live) that take a giant leap into the unknown.SaudiFury
What this guy said. and i am - well by comparison - A LOT more religious then a lot of people on this forum. At the risk of turning this thread into an afterlife debate #3 (in the past two days). People are scared of the unknown and what lies beyond moment of -actual- death. If there is a chance to extend your life, people take it.

Yep but some old guys dont care about their lives because they've lived enough I think :P
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#63 fastesttruck
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b/c why should death be any better than life?

Exisiting is all we have, brah. Can't not exist, now can we?

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bra doesn't have an h in it...
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#64 poptart
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The want to perpetuate life is pretty important, otherwise the the human race would have gone the way of the Panda before we'd even learnt to wipe our arses (or maybe make a flint axe or summat - I'm no expert and don't know which came first).

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#65 35cent
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I heard people like being alive.

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#66 UniverseIX
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if you want to die get on with it then.
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#67 parkurtommo
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b/c why should death be any better than life? [QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

Exisiting is all we have, brah. Can't not exist, now can we?

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bra doesn't have an h in it...

Hey brah, haters gonna hate. :P
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#68 MissLibrarian
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if you want to die get on with it then.UniverseIX
'...And decrease the surplus population!'
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#69 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Because I have to see how mass effect ends.

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#70 maheo30
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In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree.
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#71 comp_atkins
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because you only get one.
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#72 UniverseIX
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In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. maheo30
Are you saying atheists lead lives without purpose?
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#73 surrealnumber5
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i seek to save my life because it is the most valuable thing on this planet, where there are about 7 billion of you there is only one of me.

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#74 mrbojangles25
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because life is pretty awesome, and you should get yourself as much of it as you can?

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#75 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

What is so great about this world that makes people want to fight to live so badly?

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Five Guys Burgers and Fries

even though one of their burgers is worse for you than a handle of vodka washed down with a glazed milkshake, and finished off with a pack of cigarettes... its worth it

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#76 Baconbits2004
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The want to perpetuate life is pretty important, otherwise the the human race would have gone the way of the Panda before we'd even learnt to wipe our arses (or maybe make a flint axe or summat - I'm no expert and don't know which came first).

poptart

Gone the way of the panda? O.o

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#77 mrbojangles25
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In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. maheo30

actually, you could not be more wrong. As atheists only believe in one life, life has infinitely more value to them than it does a religious/spiritual person who believes in a better afterlife that is awaiting them.

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#78 Alter_Echo
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

What is so great about this world that makes people want to fight to live so badly?

mmmwksil

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I hear much about these Five Guys and their burgers :o Are they really that tasty?

They are pretty awesome. My only complaint is that when getting it to go they put your burger at the bottom of the bag and then pile the fries in on top of it so you either have to eat fries first or dig through them to get to the burger. Just a slight inconvenience but totally worth it.

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#79 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="maheo30"]In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. mrbojangles25

actually, you could not be more wrong. As atheists only believe in one life, life has infinitely more value to them than it does a religious/spiritual person who believes in a better afterlife that is awaiting them.

each persons valuation and value system is their own, it is intellectually dishonest to assume you know how individuals value their own based on assumptions you have made. in short, your are making dangerous and disingenuous assumption about people who disagree with you just so you can further write them off as being of lessor worththan you.

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[QUOTE="maheo30"]In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. mrbojangles25

actually, you could not be more wrong. As atheists only believe in one life, life has infinitely more value to them than it does a religious/spiritual person who believes in a better afterlife that is awaiting them.

I dont know. I dont think you can assume one way or the other how someone of a particular belief would value their life. It may have more personal preference and less religous ideology behind it.
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#81 Bigboss232
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Death is inevitable for all of us except for some creature known as a hydra it is imortal lucky bastards.

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#82 Stavrogin_
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In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. maheo30
Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that YOU think that you live a meaningful and purposeful life doesn't mean you really do. It's all in your head...
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#83 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="maheo30"]In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. Stavrogin_
Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that YOU think that you live a meaningful and purposeful life doesn't mean you really do. It's all in your head...

wait, if perception is everything then him thinking he lives a meaningful and purposeful life does make it so. maybe not in your eyes but who are you to override his judgement with yours.

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#84 weezyfb
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there are many pleasures to be had of this world
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#85 Sajo7
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Well since we don't know what will happen after death. Might as well make the most of our current situation.
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#86 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="maheo30"]In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. surrealnumber5

Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that YOU think that you live a meaningful and purposeful life doesn't mean you really do. It's all in your head...

wait, if perception is everything then him thinking he lives a meaningful and purposeful life does make it so. maybe not in your eyes but who are you to override his judgement with yours.

No i'm not talking about that, in comparison with the universe we are pointless. Basically our lives can't be meaningful because even the Earth we live on is meaningless. If lets say the Earth were destroyed tomorrow nothing would change significantly. In my opinion the conclusion that our lives are pointless and without purpose is the only logical conclusion in this random and unconscious universe.
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#87 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"] Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that YOU think that you live a meaningful and purposeful life doesn't mean you really do. It's all in your head...Stavrogin_

wait, if perception is everything then him thinking he lives a meaningful and purposeful life does make it so. maybe not in your eyes but who are you to override his judgement with yours.

No i'm not talking about that, in comparison with the universe we are pointless. Basically our lives can't be meaningful because even the Earth we live on is meaningless. If lets say the Earth were destroyed tomorrow nothing would change significantly. In my opinion the conclusion that our lives are pointless and without purpose is the only logical conclusion in this random and unconscious universe.

and you also conclude that you are the only one with any value system of worth, and based on that system you deem all worthless.... that is mighty arrogant of you

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#88 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] wait, if perception is everything then him thinking he lives a meaningful and purposeful life does make it so. maybe not in your eyes but who are you to override his judgement with yours.

surrealnumber5

No i'm not talking about that, in comparison with the universe we are pointless. Basically our lives can't be meaningful because even the Earth we live on is meaningless. If lets say the Earth were destroyed tomorrow nothing would change significantly. In my opinion the conclusion that our lives are pointless and without purpose is the only logical conclusion in this random and unconscious universe.

and you also conclude that you are the only one with any value system of worth, and based on that system you deem all worthless.... that is mighty arrogant of you

No, not really... It's not my value system, it's just an objective observation.

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#89 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]No i'm not talking about that, in comparison with the universe we are pointless. Basically our lives can't be meaningful because even the Earth we live on is meaningless. If lets say the Earth were destroyed tomorrow nothing would change significantly. In my opinion the conclusion that our lives are pointless and without purpose is the only logical conclusion in this random and unconscious universe.Stavrogin_

and you also conclude that you are the only one with any value system of worth, and based on that system you deem all worthless.... that is mighty arrogant of you

No, not really... It's not my value system, it's just an objective observation.

there is nothing objective about your observation, you may be trying to do an objective observation but you are drawing a wholly subjective conclusion.

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#90 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and you also conclude that you are the only one with any value system of worth, and based on that system you deem all worthless.... that is mighty arrogant of you

surrealnumber5

No, not really... It's not my value system, it's just an objective observation.

there is nothing objective about your observation, you may be trying to do an objective observation but you are drawing a wholly subjective conclusion.

It's actually very easy, i don't know why you have such a hard time understanding it. We postulate that this is a godless universe and we're a product of evolution which has no goal, and from then on the conclusion is pretty obvious given the size of the universe. Our lives have no intrinsic value or meaning. If you believe in god you'll disagree, but i don't bother myself with irrational beliefs.

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#91 ujjval16
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I'm not gonna die

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#92 Spitfirer
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It's all around us, people going to extreme measures to just save their life and for what? What is so great about this world that makes people want to fight to live so badly? We all know that we are gonna die eventually, so whats the point?

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#93 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]No, not really... It's not my value system, it's just an objective observation.

Stavrogin_

there is nothing objective about your observation, you may be trying to do an objective observation but you are drawing a wholly subjective conclusion.

It's actually very easy, i don't know why you have such a hard time understanding it. We postulate that this is a godless universe and we're a product of evolution which has no goal, and from then on the conclusion is pretty obvious given the size of the universe. Our lives have no intrinsic value or meaning. If you believe in god you'll disagree, but i don't bother myself with irrational beliefs.

we dont postulate the same things, please try not to lump my self or the rest of humanity with your point of view. that is your first fatal flaw in your argument, the second is that only you can assign value, and if that is not an assumption you have made then you misused the phrase "intrinsic value". this is not even a question of theist vs atheist and i dont know why you want to make it such. you are still trying to impose you view as the only one correct view and it simply is not. you clutter your argument with subjective words and try to present it as an objective argument.... what you find rational is not objective, the worth you put on life is not objective and how you rate dissenting views sure as hell is not objective. your message is not a hard one to grasp, but it is far from objective or concrete

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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

What is so great about this world that makes people want to fight to live so badly?

mmmwksil

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I hear much about these Five Guys and their burgers :o Are they really that tasty?

No lol I dont see what the big deal is about it. Small selection of burgers. Only have Cheddar chz or American I cant remember. Also their cajun fries are hyped to no ends. And I found them mediocre at best. OT: I dont know family and friends is a good enough reason. Unless you have no friends or family will then I guess you have a point.
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#95 Stavrogin_
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we dont postulate the same thingssurrealnumber5
Well that's your problem isn't it? If you hold irrational beliefs such as that the judeo-christian god exists and don't believe that evolution is true, a sound theory that has been proven over and over again don't "blame me for it". You also made a mistake by saying i was suggesting that i was "the only one who can assign value".
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#96 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]we dont postulate the same thingsStavrogin_
Well that's your problem isn't it? If you hold irrational beliefs such as that the judeo-christian god exists and don't believe that evolution is true, a sound theory that has been proven over and over again don't "blame me for it". You also made a mistake by saying i was suggesting that i was "the only one who can assign value".

and there is the ad hominem attack, where have i made any religious based argument? and you are still dismissing any other view or valuation on a purely speculative and subjective grounds. i am sure you would accept any valuation that agreed with yours but that hardly leaves you open to others valuations. please stick to arguments without making fallacious attacks.

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#97 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]we dont postulate the same thingssurrealnumber5

Well that's your problem isn't it? If you hold irrational beliefs such as that the judeo-christian god exists and don't believe that evolution is true, a sound theory that has been proven over and over again don't "blame me for it". You also made a mistake by saying i was suggesting that i was "the only one who can assign value".

and there is the ad hominem attack, where have i made any religious based argument? and you are still dismissing any other view or valuation on a purely speculative and subjective grounds. i am sure you would accept any valuation that agreed with yours but that hardly leaves you open to others valuations. please stick to arguments without making fallacious attacks.

You said that "we don't postulate the same things". Since my postulates were evolution and a godless universe it's only logical that i assumed that you believe in god and are against evolution. Was i wrong or? Please explain...

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#98 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]In an atheistic world you would be correct. I'm not an atheist so I disagree. surrealnumber5

actually, you could not be more wrong. As atheists only believe in one life, life has infinitely more value to them than it does a religious/spiritual person who believes in a better afterlife that is awaiting them.

each persons valuation and value system is their own, it is intellectually dishonest to assume you know how individuals value their own based on assumptions you have made. in short, your are making dangerous and disingenuous assumption about people who disagree with you just so you can further write them off as being of lessor worththan you.

no, I am defending my opinion from someone telling me that, because I am an atheist, life doesnt mean much to me. Maheo made the rather rude and insulting assumption that because we dont believe in an afterlife, there is no point to this current one.

I don't think Maheo is of lesser worth to me, I just found his post a bit insulting and in need of a rebuttal.

I find it a bit odd you decided to jump down my throat, however, and not Maheo's. After all, he was the one implying that atheists don't find life worth living and prolonging.

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#99 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]Well that's your problem isn't it? If you hold irrational beliefs such as that the judeo-christian god exists and don't believe that evolution is true, a sound theory that has been proven over and over again don't "blame me for it". You also made a mistake by saying i was suggesting that i was "the only one who can assign value".Stavrogin_

and there is the ad hominem attack, where have i made any religious based argument? and you are still dismissing any other view or valuation on a purely speculative and subjective grounds. i am sure you would accept any valuation that agreed with yours but that hardly leaves you open to others valuations. please stick to arguments without making fallacious attacks.

You said that "we don't postulate the same things". Since my postulates were evolution and a godless universe it's only logical that i assumed that you believe in god and are against evolution. Was i wrong or?

so you assume and i am wrong? really? mr agnostic does not base his theories on religion or lack there of so you assume he is religious....

religion does not hold sway on me either way... i dont assume because there is no god life must be devoid of purpose... i dont assume because of god life is worth living. those are not the two views in this world, and many people dont even try to fit god into their equation. it is weird that a self described atheist would put so much weight in a god he does not believe could exist.

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#100 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

actually, you could not be more wrong. As atheists only believe in one life, life has infinitely more value to them than it does a religious/spiritual person who believes in a better afterlife that is awaiting them.

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each persons valuation and value system is their own, it is intellectually dishonest to assume you know how individuals value their own based on assumptions you have made. in short, your are making dangerous and disingenuous assumption about people who disagree with you just so you can further write them off as being of lessor worththan you.

no, I am defending my opinion from someone telling me that, because I am an atheist, life doesnt mean much to me. Maheo made the rather rude and insulting assumption that because we dont believe in an afterlife, there is no point to this current one.

I don't think Maheo is of lesser worth to me, I just found his post a bit insulting and in need of a rebuttal.

I find it a bit odd you decided to jump down my throat, however, and not Maheo's. After all, he was the one implying that atheists don't find life worth living and prolonging.

i just entered the thread and saw what to be the common atheist attack on anyone who does not agree with him/her. i dont know what has happened in this thread prior to my arrival, i have not and dont intend to read the 100+ posts between the OP and where i entered.