Your race, gender is not a choice, so why would your sexuality be one? What do you think?
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Because they're ignorant.scorch-62And this.
There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.FranklinsteinHave they found the straight gene?
whoor what you are attracted to is not a choice.
Only ones actions are a choice and that applies to any and all sexualities.....
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.scorch-62Have they found the straight gene? No, that's my point, there is no proof either way. So it's all opinion. My opinion is that people don't choose to be gay But I like I said, I have no proof.
I don't see how you could choose what turns you on. It either does or it doesn't. cybrcatterI really think it has a lot to do with the way you were reared. The things you learned to feel comfortable with as a small child. The things you began to be infatuated to, etc.
[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.FranklinsteinHave they found the straight gene? No, that's my point, there is no proof either way. So it's all opinion. My opinion is that people don't choose to be gay But I like I said, I have no proof. Apologies for misinterpreting.
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I was born fabulous.clyde46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dstOfHwaB8
Okay. Now, compared to him, I guess I was just born slightly splendid. That is fabulous.[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.FranklinsteinHave they found the straight gene? No, that's my point, there is no proof either way. So it's all opinion. My opinion is that people don't choose to be gay But I like I said, I have no proof. Well, you could collect the sperm and eggs of homosexuals and create children from these samples, and deduce from the sexuality of the children whether it is a genetic condition, surely?
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.scorch-62Have they found the straight gene?I believe they have. Some 40 or so years ago. [spoiler]
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Have they found the straight gene?super_mario_128No, that's my point, there is no proof either way. So it's all opinion. My opinion is that people don't choose to be gay But I like I said, I have no proof. Well, you could collect the sperm and eggs of homosexuals and create children from these samples, and deduce from the sexuality of the children whether it is a genetic condition, surely? Genetics are way too random for an experiment like this to yield anything useful.
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I don't see how you could choose what turns you on. It either does or it doesn't. FranklinsteinI really think it has a lot to do with the way you were reared. The things you learned to feel comfortable with as a small child. The things you began to be infatuated to, etc. Oh no question :oops:
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.scorch-62Have they found the straight gene? i looked but all i could find are these..
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I don't see how you could choose what turns you on. It either does or it doesn't. FranklinsteinI really think it has a lot to do with the way you were reared. The things you learned to feel comfortable with as a small child. The things you began to be infatuated to, etc. No one ever told me that I was supposed to like women, especially when I was younger. My old man wasn't saying, "Hey Evan, check her out". Yet some time in my pre-teens I looked at woman and thought, "well, that's just fine by me".
I honestly don't know how or why some people think it's a choice. You clearly can't choose your sexual orientation.
You are probably talking about the Hamer issue, and it's not a chemical, its a brain formation with no indication of causality and less than 100% correlation.Have they found the straight gene????????
Actually they have found the gay/straight brain chemical yes. About 15 years ago in fact. I recall having a conversation about the TIME article on the subject.
SEANMCAD
I honestly don't know how or why some people think it's a choice. You clearly can't choose your sexual orientation.
DaBlastaMasta
why not?
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I don't see how you could choose what turns you on. It either does or it doesn't. xaosI really think it has a lot to do with the way you were reared. The things you learned to feel comfortable with as a small child. The things you began to be infatuated to, etc. Oh no question :oops: Lmao, I can't stop laughing...
There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.Franklinstein
I wouldn't say there's "no proof either way". Identical twins are much more likely than fraternal twins to both be gay if one is gay indicating a genetic predisposition (but also indicating that it is not purely genetic), and the brains of homosexual people resemble the brains of heterosexual people of the opposite sex in certain ways, indicating that there are real physical differences between homosexual and heterosexual people (which would rule out the idea that it's a choice).
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I don't see how you could choose what turns you on. It either does or it doesn't. cybrcatterI really think it has a lot to do with the way you were reared. The things you learned to feel comfortable with as a small child. The things you began to be infatuated to, etc. No one ever told me that I was supposed to like women, especially when I was younger. My old man wasn't saying, "Hey Evan, check her out". Yet some time in my pre-teens I looked at woman and thought, "well, that's just fine by me". Yeah, I mean... me too, but I still think that it's the way you were brought up mostly... For me, I can see traits in the women that I like that remind me of the women I grew up around, attitudes and things of that nature. And before someone says something about Freud, I didn't grow up around my mother.
I believe it has a lot to do with how they are brought up and life situations. I don't think it's a choice. Also I do not hate or look at homosexuals as inferior. One of my best friends is gayGolevkaBoth of my parents are straight and my dad even showed me a Playboy when I was 13. Yet here I am: gay
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.GabuEx
I wouldn't say there's "no proof either way". Identical twins are much more likely than fraternal twins to both be gay if one is gay indicating a genetic predisposition (but also indicating that it is not purely genetic), and the brains of homosexual people resemble the brains of heterosexual people of the opposite sex in certain ways, indicating that there are real physical differences between homosexual and heterosexual people (which would rule out the idea that it's a choice).
I've never seen evidence of this, but this is very interesting. However, I'd have to say that even if you are right, genetics are so wild that even if this happened a few times, is it really enough to prove that you are born to like a certain gender?I believe it has a lot to do with how they are brought up and life situations. I don't think it's a choice. Also I do not hate or look at homosexuals as inferior. One of my best friends is gayGolevkaMy best friend's dad is a vet, and one of the most 'manly' men you'll ever meet. Both my friend and his brother played sports, went to catholic church every Sunday, and generally had the same upbringing. My friend is a fan of the ladies now, his brother, well let's just say not so much ;)
[QUOTE="Golevka"]I believe it has a lot to do with how they are brought up and life situations. I don't think it's a choice. Also I do not hate or look at homosexuals as inferior. One of my best friends is gayscorch-62Both of my parents are straight and my dad even showed me a Playboy when I was 13. Yet here I am: gay Do you think it's because of the way you were brought up? I mean, one occasion of your dad showing you a playboy when you were 13 wouldn't make a difference anyway, the kind of things I'm talking about would have happened when you were 2 - 8... you know?
[QUOTE="DaBlastaMasta"]
I honestly don't know how or why some people think it's a choice. You clearly can't choose your sexual orientation.
TheShadowLord07
why not?
You don't decide one day whether you'll be straight or gay.
It just happens.
i think it's a choice because it is possible to completely remove sexual desire completely
smchacko
Removing sexual desire doesn't win the argument for one side or the other.
Edit: Let's be logical about this.
If I want an orange, really badly. I'm going to go to the store and buy an orange.
But say, on the way to the buy the orange, I ate fifteen apples. I'm not hungry anymore, I'm not going to go buy an orange, even though that's what I wanted... my hunger(sexual desire) is gone, so I don't want the orange(same sex/opposite sex) anymore. It doesn't prove that I didn't want that orange the whole time because I was born to, or because I was reared to believe oranges were better than apples. It just means that my desire for sustanance is gone.
Some people think that a bunch of ancient desert nomads knew more about sexual development than we do today.
I've never seen evidence of this, but this is very interesting. However, I'd have to say that even if you are right, genetics are so wild that even if this happened a few times, is it really enough to prove that you are born to like a certain gender?Franklinstein
I never said people were "born to like a certain gender"; as I said, identical twins are more likely to both be gay if one is gay but that likelihood is about 50-60%, meaning that in 40-50% of cases where one identical twin is gay the other one is not gay This effectively rules out the idea that one's sexual orientation is entirely determined at birth. However, it is also the case that, as I said, there are physical differences between homosexual and heterosexual people, and those are physical characteristics that would develop at a very young age - so whatever it is that determines someone's sexuality, it definitely is not just some random, reversible choice the person decided to make as a teenager, as anti-gay activists like to suggest.
[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]
[QUOTE="DaBlastaMasta"]
I honestly don't know how or why some people think it's a choice. You clearly can't choose your sexual orientation.
DaBlastaMasta
why not?
You don't decide one day whether you'll be straight or gay.
It just happens.
Actually I read that wrong. I was thinking of something else. my bad.
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