Why do some people think being a h0mosexual, is a choice?

Why? Because sex is about fitting. So if a man who isn't attracted to men decides to put his fitting into another man's rear fitting that is a decision. Sex has nothing to do with how you feel about a person. Sex simply means there a fitting and one fits into the other. Prisoners do it, so they prove it's a choice.

What stops most people from having sex with the same sex? They don't want to be ridiculed. Since they probably prefer the opposite sex anyway why would they bother?

You can't choose who you are attracted to, but sex can be chosen.

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but...Maybe because it is partly a choice?

Snipes_2

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but...Maybe because it is partyl a choice?Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Deihjan"]

Nonono, I wasn't saying that, not at all. What I meant..if homosexual men have a more 'female brain' than straight men, then there must have gone something awry, right? Like, there are men who feel they are women trapped in a male body.

GabuEx

I don't see why; that strikes me as a purely human-injected judgment that does not really have any basis in objective reality. All evidence points to homosexual people being completely normal in every way in terms of their ability to lead a normal, well-adjusted life in human society. While it's true that homosexual people tend to have more characteristics common to the other sex than heterosexual people, the designation of behavior or desires that stem from that characteristic as "wrong" is not something that is really intellectually justifiable given the evidence we have today.

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but...Maybe because it is partly a choice?

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

I dont think anyone is seriously going to try and cure it. I suspect our drive to better understand the human brain will eventually lead to a cornucopia of data and well just stumble upon it.

GabuEx

You're more or less changing the subject here. You implicitly said you regard homosexuality as a "deviation" to be "corrected". On what basis do you say this?

Not all deviations are created equal, some are harmless. Obviously homosexuality is not intended from a biological standpoint as it disrupts the critical imperative of procreation. however, since its relatively rare, its fits in the harmless category IMO.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but...Maybe because it is partly a choice?

super_mario_128

I guess you disagree with western academia and psychologist who say that there is no such thing as a male of female brain?

majwill24

The brains of heterosexual males are asymmetrical; the brains of heterosexual females is symmetrical. If someone wishes to assert no difference between the male and female brain, they have a rather big problem on their hands.

I remember hearing a theory somewhere that the reason there are homosexuals is because the population has gotten too big and this is nature's way to help control it. I don't know if it's true. But, being homosexual is definitely not a choice. l4dak47

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but...Maybe because it is partly a choice?

super_mario_128

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]I remember hearing a theory somewhere that the reason there are homosexuals is because the population has gotten too big and this is nature's way to help control it. I don't know if it's true. But, being homosexual is definitely not a choice. l4dak47

Why would you choose to be something that makes your life immeasurably harder?wstfld

"Why would you choose to be something that makes you immeasurably harder?"

.......ahem.....

So they can demonize gay people is why.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]I remember hearing a theory somewhere that the reason there are homosexuals is because the population has gotten too big and this is nature's way to help control it. I don't know if it's true. But, being homosexual is definitely not a choice. l4dak47

I don't see any basis for that at all; "nature" has no intelligence, and as such, I could not imagine how "nature" could do something like that. I believe it's much more likely that homosexuality has always existed throughout history, and has simply been either repressed or not recognized as such until recently.

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

I guess you disagree with western academia and psychologist who say that there is no such thing as a male of female brain?

GabuEx

The brains of heterosexual males are asymmetrical; the brains of heterosexual females is symmetrical. If someone wishes to assert no difference between the male and female brain, they have a rather big problem on their hands.

I agree 100%

apparently such conservative positions are frowned upon. I think its purely political though

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"]

Nonono, I wasn't saying that, not at all. What I meant..if homosexual men have a more 'female brain' than straight men, then there must have gone something awry, right? Like, there are men who feel they are women trapped in a male body.

Deihjan

I don't see why; that strikes me as a purely human-injected judgment that does not really have any basis in objective reality. All evidence points to homosexual people being completely normal in every way in terms of their ability to lead a normal, well-adjusted life in human society. While it's true that homosexual people tend to have more characteristics common to the other sex than heterosexual people, the designation of behavior or desires that stem from that characteristic as "wrong" is not something that is really intellectually justifiable given the evidence we have today.

No, apparently I'm not. :P

What are you trying to say?

Do you not choose to engage in Homosexual Activities? You have a tendency to like males more than females. Just like I like Females more than males. And I'll cut it off there. Snipes_2

inb4 you're wrong and no one's opinion gets alteredscorch-62

Do you not choose to engage in Homosexual Activities? You have a tendency to like males more than females. Just like I like Females more than males. And I'll cut it off there. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I don't see why; that strikes me as a purely human-injected judgment that does not really have any basis in objective reality. All evidence points to homosexual people being completely normal in every way in terms of their ability to lead a normal, well-adjusted life in human society. While it's true that homosexual people tend to have more characteristics common to the other sex than heterosexual people, the designation of behavior or desires that stem from that characteristic as "wrong" is not something that is really intellectually justifiable given the evidence we have today.

GabuEx

No, apparently I'm not. :P

What are you trying to say?

Do you not choose to engage in Homosexual Activities? You have a tendency to like males more than females. Just like I like Females more than males. And I'll cut it off there. Snipes_2

Homosexuality to my knowledge refers to those innate feelings. Not acting upon them.

So a person who is attracted to men but chooses to marry a woman and have kids is still a homosexual.

Its that part we are saying it isnt a choice: the feelings one has - purely emotional feelings or physical.

Not all deviations are created equal, some are harmless. Obviously homosexuality is not intended from a biological standpoint as it disrupts the critical imperative of procreation. however, since its relatively rare, its fits in the harmless category IMO.

majwill24

Well I wouldn't exactly call procreation an "imperative"; it's something that's necessary for a species at large not to go extinct, but that doesn't exactly translate into a prerogative of some sort for each individual member of that species. I have no real plans to have children, and I don't see anything wrong with that that requires correction.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"] You're still not seeing what I'm trying to say, Gabu D:Deihjan

No, apparently I'm not. :P

What are you trying to say?

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]inb4 you're wrong and no one's opinion gets alteredsuper_mario_128

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Do you not choose to engage in Homosexual Activities? You have a tendency to like males more than females. Just like I like Females more than males. And I'll cut it off there. Teenaged

Homosexuality to my knowledge refers to those innate feelings. Not acting upon them.

So a person who is attracted to men but chooses to marry a woman and have kids is still a homosexual.

Its that part we are saying it isnt a choice: the feelings one has - purely emotional feelings or physical.

Correct; homosexuality is the presence of sexual attraction towards members of the same sex, not the act of having sex with those people.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"] You're still not seeing what I'm trying to say, Gabu D:Deihjan

No, apparently I'm not. :P

What are you trying to say?

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]inb4 you're wrong and no one's opinion gets alteredscorch-62

It's clearly a choice among women for man's enjoyment.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]inb4 you're wrong and no one's opinion gets alteredsuper_mario_128

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.scorch-62

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.svenus97

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.svenus97

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.svenus97

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.svenus97

That is if we skip the problem of proving that humanity (and every individual) has to go along with what ensures reproduction. In fact, in the real world, gay and straight people are evading reproduction in many different ways.

So I dont see how you turn this need for reproduction to a moral imperative only when it comes to gay people.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.svenus97

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Why? Because sex is about fitting. So if a man who isn't attracted to men decides to put his fitting into another man's rear fitting that is a decision. Sex has nothing to do with how you feel about a person. Sex simply means there a fitting and one fits into the other. Prisoners do it, so they prove it's a choice.

What stops most people from having sex with the same sex? They don't want to be ridiculed. Since they probably prefer the opposite sex anyway why would they bother?

You can't choose who you are attracted to, but sex can be chosen.

super_mario_128

No, when you choose to have gay sex, that's homosexuality. Sex has nothing to do with how feel. I don't like cheese but I can eat it. As far as know I don't like having sex with other men, but I could if I wanted.

It doesn't even matter, because most marriages and families have nothing to do with attraction or love. It's just nature. Your kids are your kids and your wife is your wife.

It's not likeattractedis magical and lasts forever, you grow up.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]There is no way to know, scientists haven't found the gay gene yet... so there is no proof either way. I don't THINK it's a choice, why would someone put themselves through that kind of discrimination? I think it's a mixture of how you were reared and genetics, but I have no proof whatsoever.svenus97

Traits that animals possess are there simply because they are the ones that enabled that species to survive and reproduce. The concept of "meaning" is entirely a human construct placed on top of observations that ultimately are simply because they are, and has no real place in a discussion of biology.

No, when you choose to have gay sex, that's homosexuality. Sex has nothing to do with how feel. I don't like cheese but I can eat it. As far as know I don't like having sex with other men, but I could if I wanted.

It doesn't even matter, because most marriages and families have nothing to do with attraction or love. It's just nature. Your kids are your kids and your wife is your wife.

It's not likeattractedis magical and lasts forever, you grow up.

MagnumPI

I dont know what you are getting at with the rest of your post.

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

Not all deviations are created equal, some are harmless. Obviously homosexuality is not intended from a biological standpoint as it disrupts the critical imperative of procreation. however, since its relatively rare, its fits in the harmless category IMO.

GabuEx

Well I wouldn't exactly call procreation an "imperative"; it's something that's necessary for a species at large not to go extinct, but that doesn't exactly translate into a prerogative of some sort for each individual member of that species. I have no real plans to have children, and I don't see anything wrong with that that requires correction.

You seem to be coming from an emotional angle. I guess you dont like the idea of homosexuality not being considered the biological norm? Perhaps you think it fuels hatred and bias? that talk of a treatment only encourages such thinking? Well thats a political and societal problem.

No, when you choose to have gay sex, that's homosexuality.

MagnumPI

No, it really isn't. Homosexuality is the feeling of sexual desire towards sexually attractive members of the same sex, just as heterosexuality is the feeling of sexual desire towards sexually attractive members of the opposite sex. The mere fact that I am not having sex at the present time with a woman does not make me not be heterosexual.

No, when you choose to have gay sex, that's homosexuality. Sex has nothing to do with how feel. I don't like cheese but I can eat it. As far as know I don't like having sex with other men, but I could if I wanted.

It doesn't even matter, because most marriages and families have nothing to do with attraction or love. It's just nature. Your kids are your kids and your wife is your wife.

It's not likeattractedis magical and lasts forever, you grow up.

MagnumPI

Wa.

No, beinghomosexual has nothing to do with your actions; it is the attraction to the same sex, and that's it.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

Not all deviations are created equal, some are harmless. Obviously homosexuality is not intended from a biological standpoint as it disrupts the critical imperative of procreation. however, since its relatively rare, its fits in the harmless category IMO.

majwill24

Well I wouldn't exactly call procreation an "imperative"; it's something that's necessary for a species at large not to go extinct, but that doesn't exactly translate into a prerogative of some sort for each individual member of that species. I have no real plans to have children, and I don't see anything wrong with that that requires correction.

You seem to be coming from an emotional angle. I guess you dont like the idea of homosexuality not being considered the biological norm? Perhaps you think it fuels hatred and bias? that talk of a treatment only encourages such thinking? Well thats a political and societal problem.

I don't think it is, but im not, so I don't really know. It definitely isn't for everyone, but maybefor a few

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

Not all deviations are created equal, some are harmless. Obviously homosexuality is not intended from a biological standpoint as it disrupts the critical imperative of procreation. however, since its relatively rare, its fits in the harmless category IMO.

majwill24

Well I wouldn't exactly call procreation an "imperative"; it's something that's necessary for a species at large not to go extinct, but that doesn't exactly translate into a prerogative of some sort for each individual member of that species. I have no real plans to have children, and I don't see anything wrong with that that requires correction.

You seem to be coming from an emotional angle. I guess you dont like the idea of homosexuality not being considered the biological norm? Perhaps you think it fuels hatred and bias? that talk of a treatment only encourages such thinking? Well thats a political and societal problem.

What?

I don't understand how one could read my post and then make this reply; I don't see any relevance at all...

Because Im really good friends with a girl who says she's homosexual because she wants to be :|JPOBS

that's called attention seeking, see: lindsay lohan

Because Im really good friends with a girl who says she's homosexual because she wants to be :|JPOBS

Many times a gay person might even say "its my choice" but there is usually context to this (either existent or easily guessed)

Such as:

"Its my choice, leave me alone"

"Its none of your business, its my choice so stop talking"

Obviously those are just two examples of how we people sometimes spout words that others shouldnt take at face value.

I don't think it is, but im not, so I don't really know. It definitely isn't for everyone, but maybefor a few

gamedude2020

I think the confusion arises from homosexual activity that sometimes develops in close quarters occupied by the same sex, like prisons