Why do some people think being a h0mosexual, is a choice?

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

............ That means they are closeted homosexuals..

sSubZerOo

.. That still means your gay and your closeted.. That leads to depression.. Agony and other such thigns.. Lets see you go Celebate for 15 years.. Afterall thats a "choice"..

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]I think it is a choice, it's my opinion, it's a conservative opinion, people who think I'm ignorant are very left winged people. People whinge, complain and descriminate against conservative people. It's a person right to think what they think. Gays make up only 10% of the population, yet, they have so much power. Ring_of_fire

gay people have power? I wish I knew this earlier!

but seriously, that's a ridiculous statement to make, as in some states, it's legal to fire a person just for being gay banned gay marriages/civil unions etc.

Look at this and you see what I mean.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] What did I say, Don't try and make me change my opinion. Your the ignorant one, Zero, am I not able to voice conservative views.rockerbikie

....... Where did I say you were wrong.. But I am pointing out how your logic is faulty.. Being homosexual goes completely against the instincts to reproduce... Yet we have animals that do it.. And where was I descriminating you.. And furthermore.. Where are gay's getting all these "huge" political power.. Please do tell.

uhhhhh.. The first amendment? Every one has the right to assembly? And yet again they are a minority.. I mean what the hell are we thinking man, following the bill of rights...

We moved away from important things like the enviornment to this,

To do what?

also most people want gay marriage, if gay marriage was aloud i would want it to be called a egairram. It's just gone to far.

........ You seem to be mistaken "getting too much power" with wanting equal rights.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]I think it is a choice, it's my opinion, it's a conservative opinion, people who think I'm ignorant are very left winged people. People whinge, complain and descriminate against conservative people. It's a person right to think what they think. Gays make up only 10% of the population, yet, they have so much power. Ring_of_fire

gay people have power? I wish I knew this earlier!

but seriously, that's a ridiculous statement to make, as in some states, it's legal to fire a person just for being gay banned gay marriages/civil unions etc.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Not acting upon one's urges?..guynamedbilly

.. That still means your gay and your closeted.. That leads to depression.. Agony and other such thigns.. Lets see you go Celebate for 15 years.. Afterall thats a "choice"..

He was talkinga bout stopping the urges to.. That doesn't some how mean they are straight. That is my point... He was trying to claim that holding those urges som ehow makes you straight.. It doesn't.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]I think it is a choice, it's my opinion, it's a conservative opinion, people who think I'm ignorant are very left winged people. People whinge, complain and descriminate against conservative people. It's a person right to think what they think. Gays make up only 10% of the population, yet, they have so much power. rockerbikie

gay people have power? I wish I knew this earlier!

but seriously, that's a ridiculous statement to make, as in some states, it's legal to fire a person just for being gay banned gay marriages/civil unions etc.

Look at this and you see what I mean.

accepting people for who they are (as long as they are consenting adults)? My GOD! The gays have gone too far!

Seriously, what's the problem of having gay people be more accepted in society?

Look at this and you see what I mean.

rockerbikie

A bare majority feeling that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyIe proves that gay people have "so much power"?

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

....... Where did I say you were wrong.. But I am pointing out how your logic is faulty.. Being homosexual goes completely against the instincts to reproduce... Yet we have animals that do it.. And where was I descriminating you.. And furthermore.. Where are gay's getting all these "huge" political power.. Please do tell.

uhhhhh.. The first amendment? Every one has the right to assembly? And yet again they are a minority.. I mean what the hell are we thinking man, following the bill of rights...

We moved away from important things like the enviornment to this,

To do what?

also most people want gay marriage, if gay marriage was aloud i would want it to be called a egairram. It's just gone to far.

........ You seem to be mistaken "getting too much power" with wanting equal rights.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

Look at this and you see what I mean.

GabuEx

A bare majority feeling that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyIe proves that gay people have "so much power"?

When a guy wears nailpolish and complains he can't wear it in a classroom he calls it homophobic but females can't. If you say anything against gay you are homophobic. rockerbikie

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. That still means your gay and your closeted.. That leads to depression.. Agony and other such thigns.. Lets see you go Celebate for 15 years.. Afterall thats a "choice"..

sSubZerOo

He was talkinga bout stopping the urges to.. That doesn't some how mean they are straight. That is my point... He was trying to claim that holding those urges som ehow makes you straight.. It doesn't.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] So many gay right parades, they have gay festivals, gay and lesbian bars.

uhhhhh.. The first amendment? Every one has the right to assembly? And yet again they are a minority.. I mean what the hell are we thinking man, following the bill of rights...

We moved away from important things like the enviornment to this,

To do what?

also most people want gay marriage, if gay marriage was aloud i would want it to be called a egairram. It's just gone to far.

........ You seem to be mistaken "getting too much power" with wanting equal rights.

rockerbikie

........................... We can make this kind of example for any kind of minority out there.. Its flimsy at best, and not true.. If the guy is wearing nail polish and he is violating the dress code.. Why does it matter.. Furthermore a man wearing nail polish doesn't some how make him gay to begin with, its a stereotype.. Especially when yoru basically suggesting that being gay automatically means that your going to be flamboyantly about it..

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]When a guy wears nailpolish and complains he can't wear it in a classroom he calls it homophobic but females can't. If you say anything against gay you are homophobic. xaos

Well, sure, my gay superpowers prevent the natural order of us being stoned to death at the edge of the village.xaos

You can't lie to me; I've seen your gay agenda that you keep inside that little black book that is very tasteful and stylish. :x

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Just because a person is celibate doesn't mean they are asexual. Just because a person could have homosexual sex, doesn't mean they are a homosexual.guynamedbilly

He was talkinga bout stopping the urges to.. That doesn't some how mean they are straight. That is my point... He was trying to claim that holding those urges som ehow makes you straight.. It doesn't.

.. Ok there is a difference between RUNNING, and having sexual intercourse.. Sex are drivenby raginghormones.. The point being is it seems highly illogical that its "choice".. Yeah clearly those gays wanted to be gay even though if they came out they would be openly condemend by their community, to worse.. Out right killed.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

He was talkinga bout stopping the urges to.. That doesn't some how mean they are straight. That is my point... He was trying to claim that holding those urges som ehow makes you straight.. It doesn't.

sSubZerOo

.. Ok there is a difference between RUNNING, and having sexual intercourse.. Sex are drivenby raginghormones.. The point being is it seems highly illogical that its "choice".. Yeah clearly those gays wanted to be gay even though if they came out they would be openly condemend by their community, to worse.. Out right killed.

[QUOTE="xaos"]Well, sure, my gay superpowers prevent the natural order of us being stoned to death at the edge of the village.GabuEx

You can't lie to me; I've seen your gay agenda that you keep inside that little black book that is very tasteful and stylish. :x

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

........................... We can make this kind of example for any kind of minority out there.. Its flimsy at best, and not true.. If the guy is wearing nail polish and he is violating the dress code.. Why does it matter.. Furthermore a man wearing nail polish doesn't some how make him gay to begin with, its a stereotype.. Especially when yoru basically suggesting that being gay automatically means that your going to be flamboyantly about it..

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

Look at this and you see what I mean.

A bare majority feeling that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyIe proves that gay people have "so much power"?

They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.rockerbikie

They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.rockerbikie

Um, I'm fairly sure no one has called you homophobic or sexist; we're simply asking what justification you have behind the assertion that gay people have a lot of power.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. That still means your gay and your closeted.. That leads to depression.. Agony and other such thigns.. Lets see you go Celebate for 15 years.. Afterall thats a "choice"..

sSubZerOo

He was talkinga bout stopping the urges to.. That doesn't some how mean they are straight. That is my point... He was trying to claim that holding those urges som ehow makes you straight.. It doesn't.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.xaos

That just made me.... giggle

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.rockerbikie

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I don't see how you could choose what turns you on. It either does or it doesn't. Franklinstein

I'm kind of thinking somewhere along these lines. I think that a person's upbringing, the environment that they grew up in, to some some degree influences what sort of person they become (well, duh) But that's not to say that a child who grows up in a gay environment will necessesarily be gay . I guess it just sort of depends on what feels "right"......more or less.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.rockerbikie

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]They deserve respect but not marriage or adoption, I said it ok, so stop probbing me till you tick me off and my opinion won't change intil I die. Look to you I may be homophoibc and slightly sexist.rockerbikie

So I should be content with the fact that you are willing to tolerate my lesser, second class existence? That's mighty... uh... something of you!xaos

So I should be content with the fact that you are willing to tolerate my lesser, second class existence? That's mighty... uh... something of you!xaos

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"] You wish you could do this to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqXggZU3eE

rockerbikie

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"] You wish you could do this to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqXggZU3eE

rockerbikie

I believe that it is a choice

Just come to Holland, we don't even have these kind of discussions over here because homosexuality is tolerated here.
And no our society hasn't collapsed since gay marriage in 2001.

I don't see what's the big deal about this...

Just come to Holland, we don't even have these kind of discussions over here because homosexuality is tolerated here.
And no our society hasn't collapsed since gay marriage in 2001.

I don't see what's the big deal about this...

TheFlush

Or this.Animatronic64

you were born a male/female and you want to live as the opposite< that's the choice you wanna make.

if you were create and made that way, you shouldnt change it

you were born a male/female and you want to live as the opposite< that's the choice you wanna make.

if you were create and made that way, you shouldnt change it

naomigate

What part of homosexuality is it that you don't understand? Because you seem to confuse it with transsexuality.

I'm a homosexual male and I don't live as a female, neither do I want to.

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]I wasn't aware genes mutated in such a way as to change what one is sexually attracted to in so many cases...the same genetic mutations don't occur very often as far as i'm aware..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

So the obviously conclusion then is that it is unlikely to be genetics. Of course, it can be a non-choice without being genetic in nature, as I said, so this changes very little.

When we say that somebody is a homosexual we mean that he/she experiences emotional and physical attraction towards the same sex.

Whether or not that person will act upon those feelings doesnt change the fact that they are homosexual.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]

So the obviously conclusion then is that it is unlikely to be genetics. Of course, it can be a non-choice without being genetic in nature, as I said, so this changes very little.

Teenaged

When we say that somebody is a homosexual we mean that he/she experiences emotional and physical attraction towards the same sex.

Whether or not that person will act upon those feelings doesnt change the fact that they are homosexual.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] I don't believe one is born with a set mentality in regards to sexuality..and ultimately one chooses whether or not to act upon ones urges..or emotions..if you will..Xx_Hopeless_xX

When we say that somebody is a homosexual we mean that he/she experiences emotional and physical attraction towards the same sex.

Whether or not that person will act upon those feelings doesnt change the fact that they are homosexual.

Just as likely as it is for someone to choose to be straight.

All I know is I didn't chose to be straight, so how could homosexuals chose to be gay?

Edit: Grammar fail

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But homosexuality refers to the emotions, not the choice to act upon them.

When we say that somebody is a homosexual we mean that he/she experiences emotional and physical attraction towards the same sex.

Whether or not that person will act upon those feelings doesnt change the fact that they are homosexual.

Teenaged

Just as likely as it is for someone to choose to be straight.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] I never said it did..i'm trying to understand the mentality of those who believe it is not at least partially a choice..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Just as likely as it is for someone to choose to be straight.

The feelings of attraction dont come by choice imo.

I dont believe anyone can choose by what they are getting aroused and whom they will fall in love with, have a crush on etc.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]When we are talking about the emotions and not acting upon them its very unlikely that it can be.

Just as likely as it is for someone to choose to be straight.

Teenaged

The feelings of attraction dont come by choice imo.

I dont believe anyone can choose by what they are getting aroused and whom they will fall in love with, have a crush on etc.

I dont believe anyone can choose by what they are getting aroused and whom they will fall in love with, have a crush on etc.Teenaged

you were born a male/female and you want to live as the opposite< that's the choice you wanna make.

if you were create and made that way, you shouldnt change it

naomigate

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Because they're ignorant.

Thats the only reason why. Theres no legitimate reason to think being gay is a choice.

If you don't like blondes, you don't like blondes. Its not a "choice".

So being gay can't be a "choice".

smchacko

it's not that simple...

how can you possibly think that parts of your personality just "are". Your entire personality and life develops through conditions, its not an unchanging and definite or "actual" thing.

Yes, yes it is that simple.

Your personality is partially based off your genetics.

A cautious person is cautious either by learned condition or nature. Some people are born certain ways.

Some parts of you just "are". Its the same with everyone. Your mind is no different than your body in that sense. You have blonde hair just because you inhereted it. You act one way just because thats how your brain works. Your entire personality is NOT based off environment. You are predisposed to certain conditions of the mind.

[QUOTE="smchacko"]

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Because they're ignorant.

Thats the only reason why. Theres no legitimate reason to think being gay is a choice.

If you don't like blondes, you don't like blondes. Its not a "choice".

So being gay can't be a "choice".

-TheSecondSign-

it's not that simple...

how can you possibly think that parts of your personality just "are". Your entire personality and life develops through conditions, its not an unchanging and definite or "actual" thing.

Yes, yes it is that simple.

Your personality is partially based off your genetics.

A cautious person is cautious either by learned condition or nature. Some people are born certain ways.

Some parts of you just "are". Its the same with everyone. Your mind is no different than your body in that sense. You have blonde hair just because you inhereted it. You act one way just because thats how your brain works. Your entire personality is NOT based off environment. You are predisposed to certain conditions of the mind.

I thought we concluded that genetics had nothing to do with it...

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="smchacko"]

it's not that simple...

how can you possibly think that parts of your personality just "are". Your entire personality and life develops through conditions, its not an unchanging and definite or "actual" thing.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yes, yes it is that simple.

Your personality is partially based off your genetics.

A cautious person is cautious either by learned condition or nature. Some people are born certain ways.

Some parts of you just "are". Its the same with everyone. Your mind is no different than your body in that sense. You have blonde hair just because you inhereted it. You act one way just because thats how your brain works. Your entire personality is NOT based off environment. You are predisposed to certain conditions of the mind.

I thought we concluded that genetics had nothing to do with it...