Why do some people think being a h0mosexual, is a choice?

I'm not going to read all 15 pages of this thread, and I think that's probably a good thing considering how people act around here, insulting each other and stuff. Anyway, if love is simply a feeling that forces humans to procreate, than how does homosexuality make sense?

TheAbbeFaria

[QUOTE="ariz3260"]

Maybe I'm just old fashion, I have trouble calling a man heterosexual when he has sexual relations with another man.

And I think the definition of who qualifies as a homosexual (not base on act, but base purely on one's self report attraction to whichever gender) is too narrow of a qualifier to determine one's sexuality. Furthermore, I would contend that self report is another concept that is not 100% guarantee accurate.

GabuEx

I'm not talking about self-reporting, I'm talking about actuality. Whether or not a person admits sexual attraction towards someone has nothing to do with whether or not that attraction actually exists. (1)

A man is homosexual if he feels sexual attraction towards other men and does not feel sexual attraction towards women. (2)What's too narrow about that?

Somehow I think we are just missing each other... let me try again

1. A person can say he/she feels no sexual attraction towards the same sex, yet he/she keeps on having sex with person of same sex. That person can deny he/she has homosexual tendency, yet his/her action speaks otherwise. Some people can make belief that despite having sex with people of same sex, he/she is still straight

2. Nothing wrong with that statement. I am referring to the fact that qualifying a person base solely on one admitted to having sexual attraction toward another person of same sex imo, is inadequate. Reason being, a person can deny having sexual attraction for people of same sex, yet his/her act of having sex with another person of same sex is a strong indication that one has homosexual tendency, despite ones claim that he/she is not. That is what I meant by a narrow definition.

Homosexuality is genetic. It is not a choice. Deal with it.

Homosexuality is genetic. It is not a choice. Deal with it.

compost-mentis

Because people like to accuse others of seeking attention.Just by reading these forums alone you'll seeit is quite the popular allegation.

Because it is a choice

Because it is a choice

Plzhelpmelearn

No it's not. Similar to how heterosexual men do not choose to be attracted to women, they simply are.

to be honest I think it is a combination of things, of nature and nurture.

I think a person born with "the gay gene", yet raised in a household where the father brought home women and took his son to whorehouses since he hit puberty, would problably live the rest of his life as a straight person (though he might have issues).

However, a person with the gay gene (if it even exists, i dont know...) raised in a moderate household where freethinking is encouraged would problably find out fairly soon into their adult life that they are gay They'd likely try to be straight initially due to society and stuff, but eventually would find out.

Conversely, I think a person raised in a gay household is going to be pretty black and white on the issue; since theyre exposed right off the bat to homosexuality, theyre gonna either A.) find out its not for them immediately, or B.) find out it is for them. Just guessing, but I also imagine incidents of bisexuality might be higher in children from a same-sex household.

Ultimately, though, I think in 99.9% of situations it is not a choice.

Your race, gender is not a choice, so why would your sexuality be one? What do you think?

LastCaveMan

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

Because it is a choice

Dark_Knight6

No it's not. Similar to how heterosexual men do not choose to be attracted to women, they simply are.

to be honest I think it is a combination of things, of nature and nurture.

I think a person born with "the gay gene", yet raised in a household where the father brought home women and took his son to whorehouses since he hit puberty, would problably live the rest of his life as a straight person (though he might have issues).

However, a person with the gay gene (if it even exists, i dont know...) raised in a moderate household where freethinking is encouraged would problably find out fairly soon into their adult life that they are gay They'd likely try to be straight initially due to society and stuff, but eventually would find out.

Conversely, I think a person raised in a gay household is going to be pretty black and white on the issue; since theyre exposed right off the bat to homosexuality, theyre gonna either A.) find out its not for them immediately, or B.) find out it is for them. Just guessing, but I also imagine incidents of bisexuality might be higher in children from a same-sex household.

Ultimately, though, I think in 99.9% of situations it is not a choice.

mrbojangles25

That is an interesting notion. I agree that one's environment has a lot to do with whether or not a person who has the genetic makeup of a "homosexual brain", if come under with the right trigger, would eventually discover one's seemingly hidden sexual orientation.

[QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

Your race, gender is not a choice, so why would your sexuality be one? What do you think?

Plzhelpmelearn

Repressing one's homosexuality does not change the fact that they're homosexual.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

[QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

Your race, gender is not a choice, so why would your sexuality be one? What do you think?

Dark_Knight6

Repressing one's homosexuality does not change the fact that they're homosexual.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

Because it is a choice

Dark_Knight6

No it's not. Similar to how heterosexual men do not choose to be attracted to women, they simply are.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] I've never met an ex-black person. I have met a former gay person tho...

Plzhelpmelearn

Repressing one's homosexuality does not change the fact that they're homosexual.

Well that would make sense because men and women are biologically designed to be attracted to one another. Plzhelpmelearn

So, of course, anyone who deviates from that is doing so out of choice? Heads up, no one wants to be gay What with it being a discriminated and hated minority group.

Of course it's not a choice. I don't remember making a conscious choice to be gay it just felt natural.

[QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

Your race, gender is not a choice, so why would your sexuality be one? What do you think?

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Repressing one's homosexuality does not change the fact that they're homosexual.

Ring_of_fire

Can you explain bi-sexuals then? Or those damn furries? :DIWKYB

Bisexuals are simply attracted to both. In fact, if Kinsey's research has any weight, anyone has the capacity to be bisexual to some extent. But I've got no idea why a furry is attracted to what they're attracted to. :P

so maybe that would make them nonsexuals though they enjoy the romantic company of a female?Plzhelpmelearn

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]so maybe that would make them nonsexuals though they enjoy the romantic company of a female?super_mario_128

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] It probably doesn't help that one's sexual preference is exactly that...a preference...it is not necessarily a mandate. Plzhelpmelearn

homosexuality nor heterosexuality are about "Behavior patterns". They are about the sexual attraction to the same or opposite sex (depending on what side you fall on). Gay people who are in the closet are still gays, no matter how many woman they are with.

Oh goodness not again...

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] But just because a repressed gay guy marries a woman, has sex with a woman, has kids with that same woman, does not mean the gay guy is straight.Ring_of_fire

homosexuality nor heterosexuality are about "Behavior patterns". They are about the sexual attraction to the same or opposite sex (depending on what side you fall on). Gay people who are in the closet are still gays, no matter how many woman they are with.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] You seem to be trying to put a strict label on someone as if they are "really" gay though they are practicing heterosexuality. In actuality, homosexuality and heterosexuality are much better explained as patterns of behavior rather than solid definable traits of an individual like race and gender. I know many "lesbians" who don't even have sex, so maybe that would make them nonsexuals though they enjoy the romantic company of a female?

Plzhelpmelearn

homosexuality nor heterosexuality are about "Behavior patterns". They are about the sexual attraction to the same or opposite sex (depending on what side you fall on). Gay people who are in the closet are still gays, no matter how many woman they are with.

No. I don't know where you got that idea, as I never said that.

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]so maybe that would make them nonsexuals though they enjoy the romantic company of a female?Plzhelpmelearn

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]so maybe that would make them nonsexuals though they enjoy the romantic company of a female?Plzhelpmelearn

Yeah, not really. Sexuality is based on the attraction, not the action.

Because it is perfectly rational and logical to believe that a group of people would delibrately choose to have themselves ostracized and isolated from the rest of society and in some cases be persecuted by governments to the extent that their "choice" would get them killed if they revealed it.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

homosexuality nor heterosexuality are about "Behavior patterns". They are about the sexual attraction to the same or opposite sex (depending on what side you fall on). Gay people who are in the closet are still gays, no matter how many woman they are with.

Ring_of_fire

No. I don't know where you got that idea, as I never said that.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] ... No, that would make them lesbians. Dark_Knight6

Yeah, not really. Sexuality is based on the attraction, not the action.

Why dont we get a real gay guy on here and he can explain homosexuality to all of us... sooooo anybody wanna step up eh?????GameGuy642003

Why dont we get a real gay guy on here and he can explain homosexuality to all of us... sooooo anybody wanna step up eh?????GameGuy642003

Instead of liking women, we like men. Fin.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] So in your eyes can a gay person become straight or vise versa?Plzhelpmelearn

No. I don't know where you got that idea, as I never said that.

[QUOTE="bobaban"]What about prison? Those guys weren't gay before.GabuEx

And they aren't gay after; participating in anal sex in a confined unisex space where one is desperate for sexual release does not make someone gay.

I did not mean to imply that you did believe that, I was trying to clarify your understanding for my sake. Well, my next question would be, do you have any objective evidence to support this conclusion, or do you just rather fancy it? Plzhelpmelearn

As has been brought up elsewhere in this thread, homosexual people's brains bear a structural resemblance to the brains of heterosexual members of the opposite sex. This would indicate that there is a physical structure to the brain that controls to whom one is sexually attracted, which would make the idea rather suspect that people can "choose" to be attracted to the opposite sex, unless they somehow change the physical structure of their brain in doing so.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]Why dont we get a real gay guy on here and he can explain homosexuality to all of us... sooooo anybody wanna step up eh?????Dark_Knight6

Instead of liking women, we like men. Fin.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]Why dont we get a real gay guy on here and he can explain homosexuality to all of us... sooooo anybody wanna step up eh?????GameGuy642003

Instead of liking women, we like men. Fin.

Sorry if that came across as overly blunt but that's literally the way it is. Just as a heterosexual man finds women attractive, a homosexual man finds men attractive. There are no choices made aside from acting on the attraction.

no you're not :x..Xx_Hopeless_xX

I guess because they conflate flamboyancy with homosexuality. [QUOTE="scorch-62"]Because they're ignorant.super_mario_128

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] there is no sexual aspect to it, however. It seems like everyone defines all of these terms in regards to sexual behavior. Plzhelpmelearn

Yeah, not really. Sexuality is based on the attraction, not the action.

Most likely because someone affiliated with Religion told them so in a vain excuse to justify their hate and intolerance towards them.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]I did not mean to imply that you did believe that, I was trying to clarify your understanding for my sake. Well, my next question would be, do you have any objective evidence to support this conclusion, or do you just rather fancy it? GabuEx

As has been brought up elsewhere in this thread, homosexual people's brains bear a structural resemblance to the brains of heterosexual members of the opposite sex. This would indicate that there is a physical structure to the brain that controls to whom one is sexually attracted, which would make the idea rather suspect that people can "choose" to be attracted to the opposite sex, unless they somehow change the physical structure of their brain in doing so.

I don't know why they think its a choice. They think being gay is a sin, so if they think its a choice its like "Well you choose to be gay!"

Im sure if Gay people had a choice they would choose the road that was easier.

I believe homosexuality is a choice because

1. gays cannot procreate which is a basic human nature.

2. I chose to like the music i like even though some of my friends hate it. I was not born with this desire to like indie rock, but after listening to it I began to enjoy it.

I don't have anything against gays, I just become confused when people say they are born like that.

I believe homosexuality is a choice because

1. gays cannot procreate which is a basic human nature.

2. I chose to like the music i like even though some of my friends hate it. I was not born with this desire to like indie rock, but after listening to it I began to enjoy it.

I don't have anything against gays, I just become confused when people say they are born like that.

KrunkG7707

Besides are musical tastes analogous to sexual and emotional desires? I dont think so.

Gays dont have to be born like that in order for it to not be a choice.

There is the scenario where they arent born like that and they didnt choose it either.