Why do some people think being a h0mosexual, is a choice?

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#251 flazzle
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

I did read every post in this thread, so forgive me if I am repeating something already said, but I think when people preach homosexuality is a choice, they are are implying that participating in homosexual behavior is the choice they are talking about.

Just because you are gay doesn't mean you have to participate in gay behavior. that's the a part of being a choice

(note: i hold no prejudice against straight or gays, just explaining how I think some people see it)

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There's no treatment for homosexuality. Addendum: please leave the arguing to the grown-ups.

I don't know if you mean to but I read through the thread and you come off as an incredibly angry person who is completely full of yourself. Your right and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. You can't have a thought out discussion about your beliefs all you do is insult. You are making yourself look bad. Please learn to stop being so angry, stop being so juvenile, and start to perhaps take it all in stride. If someone disagrees with you take a breath and calmly type out your thoughts. No need to act like a child throwing a tantrum.

to be clear, i was saying what people MAY mean when the preach choice and homosexuality. for the record, i don't think there is anything wrong with homosexuality. sorry if i wasn't clear.

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#252 GabuEx
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Homosexuality is a psychological disorder. Usually it depends on how the person was raised as a child. And then it can be because the person had a sexually disturbing past. So it kinda could be a choice but then again it cant.

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Citation on homosexuality being a psychological disorder?

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#253 iamdisappointed
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Homosexuality is a psychological disorder.Raiden004
Enlighten us as to the evidence that lets you know better than psychologists, please.
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#254 bobaban
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What about prison? Those guys weren't gay before.
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#256 Raiden004
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LOL! :lol: the arguments. Its just a huge flame war!

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#257 GabuEx
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What about prison? Those guys weren't gay before.bobaban

And they aren't gay after; participating in anal sex in a confined unisex space where one is desperate for sexual release does not make someone gay.

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#258 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] I don't know if you mean to but I read through the thread and you come off as an incredibly angry person who is completely full of yourself. Your right and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. You can't have a thought out discussion about your beliefs all you do is insult. You are making yourself look bad. Please learn to stop being so angry, stop being so juvenile, and start to perhaps take it all in stride. If someone disagrees with you take a breath and calmly type out your thoughts. No need to act like a child throwing a tantrum.

Um, that would be because I AM an angry person and most people who think that homosexuality is a choice ARE idiots. As for me being full of myself - you're the one with the arrogance to tell me whether I chose an immutable aspect of my personality or not. Pro tip: you wouldn't know that. I would.

Hey dickhead. I never said my opinion on the matter just said that you are a complete loon and coming off as a jerk. Calm down and learn to breath.

Pardon me if I'm overwhelmed with apathy as to what you think of me. Perhaps if you'd demonstrated yourself to be anything more than a juggernaut of wrongness, plowing violently and indiscriminately into everyone in this thread who has a clue, I'd actually give a damn.
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#259 flazzle
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Pardon me if I'm overwhelmed with apathy as to your opinion on me. Perhaps if you'd demonstrated yourself to be anything more than a juggernaut of wrongness, plowing violently and indiscriminately into everyone in this thread who has a clue, I'd actually give a damn.iamdisappointed

Well, you don't seem to read all the posts accurately and you seem to read things into them that aren't there.

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#261 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Whatever they want to believe...

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#262 Theokhoth
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Because some people want to keep the topic of sexuality a moral topic, and if homosexuality is as inherent as heterosexuality then it could hardly be called a moral issue. So they continue to believe it's a choice someone makes so they can continue to decry it as immoral.
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#263 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]Pardon me if I'm overwhelmed with apathy as to your opinion on me. Perhaps if you'd demonstrated yourself to be anything more than a juggernaut of wrongness, plowing violently and indiscriminately into everyone in this thread who has a clue, I'd actually give a damn.flazzle

Well, you don't seem to read all the posts accurately and you seem to read things into them that aren't there.

Whereas you do what? Read them accurately, and then do a startingly good impression of someone who hasn't?
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#264 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]Pardon me if I'm overwhelmed with apathy as to your opinion on me. Perhaps if you'd demonstrated yourself to be anything more than a juggernaut of wrongness, plowing violently and indiscriminately into everyone in this thread who has a clue, I'd actually give a damn.iamdisappointed

Well, you don't seem to read all the posts accurately and you seem to read things into them that aren't there.

Whereas you do what? Read them accurately, and then do a startingly good impression of someone who hasn't?

You are the one that responded with this

"There's no treatment for homosexuality. Addendum: please leave the arguing to the grown-ups"

Makes no sense when you read what I wrote. Just a clear indication you have trouble comprehending.

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#265 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Hey dickhead. I never said my opinion on the matter just said that you are a complete loon and coming off as a jerk. Calm down and learn to breath.

Pardon me if I'm overwhelmed with apathy as to what you think of me. Perhaps if you'd demonstrated yourself to be anything more than a juggernaut of wrongness, plowing violently and indiscriminately into everyone in this thread who has a clue, I'd actually give a damn.

What are you talking about? Are you this ignorant by choice. You are the only person I have responded to in this thread. You are being a complete moron and making yourself and your cause look bad. I voted that its not a choice, I am also for gay marriage. I am actually for everything you are saying. I just was stating that you are being overly aggressive and very rude to anyone with a differing opinion. Grow the hell up jerk

Pro tip: criticising someone for coming off as immature and then suffixing your posts with 'grow the hell up jerk' won't win you any arguments, but it will make people laugh at you. So if that's what you're shooting for, bravo.
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#266 KungfuKitten
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[QUOTE="bobaban"]What about prison? Those guys weren't gay before.GabuEx

And they aren't gay after; participating in anal sex in a confined unisex space where one is desperate for sexual release does not make someone gay.

Hmmm and even if that 'works' then it would still be silly to suggest that we should do something like placing homosexual people in jails with the opposite gender so that they become straight. i think You would find more straight than gay people ending up in such a 'prison' :P



( And chill out guys, no need to insult one another >_> If You feel really really pissed get a cool drink, because going on on here will only make it worse.)

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#267 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]Pardon me if I'm overwhelmed with apathy as to what you think of me. Perhaps if you'd demonstrated yourself to be anything more than a juggernaut of wrongness, plowing violently and indiscriminately into everyone in this thread who has a clue, I'd actually give a damn.iamdisappointed
What are you talking about? Are you this ignorant by choice. You are the only person I have responded to in this thread. You are being a complete moron and making yourself and your cause look bad. I voted that its not a choice, I am also for gay marriage. I am actually for everything you are saying. I just was stating that you are being overly aggressive and very rude to anyone with a differing opinion. Grow the hell up jerk

Pro tip: criticising someone for coming off as immature and then suffixing your posts with 'grow the hell up jerk' won't win you any arguments, but it will make people laugh at you. So if that's what you're shooting for, bravo.

To be honest I think the only person people are laughing at in this thread is you. You have once again made yourself look like a child. Nice work, kudos even.
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#268 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

Well, you don't seem to read all the posts accurately and you seem to read things into them that aren't there.

flazzle

Whereas you do what? Read them accurately, and then do a startingly good impression of someone who hasn't?

You are the one that responded with this

"There's no treatment for homosexuality. Addendum: please leave the arguing to the grown-ups"

Makes no sense when you read what I wrote. Just a clear indication you have trouble comprehending.

Yeh, except insofar as it clearly demonstrated that the situation you made, whereby the disease is curable by medical science, is not analogous to homosexuality, which isn't. Should I really have to explain this to you? I don't think I should.
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#269 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]Whereas you do what? Read them accurately, and then do a startingly good impression of someone who hasn't?iamdisappointed

You are the one that responded with this

"There's no treatment for homosexuality. Addendum: please leave the arguing to the grown-ups"

Makes no sense when you read what I wrote. Just a clear indication you have trouble comprehending.

Yeh, except insofar as it clearly demonstrated that the situation you made, whereby the disease is curable by medical science, is not analogous to homosexuality, which isn't. Should I really have to explain this to you? I don't think I should.

I think you should log off the computer and take a nap. You are far to cranky to do anything other than put people down for anything and everything. You are even putting down people who have the same opinion on the matter as you just because I pointed out you are being far to aggressive and rude to everyone. Apparently you could care less about anyone but yourself. As I have said you are acting like a child throwing a tantrum and coming off as a huge joke.
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#270 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]Whereas you do what? Read them accurately, and then do a startingly good impression of someone who hasn't?iamdisappointed

You are the one that responded with this

"There's no treatment for homosexuality. Addendum: please leave the arguing to the grown-ups"

Makes no sense when you read what I wrote. Just a clear indication you have trouble comprehending.

Yeh, except insofar as it clearly demonstrated that the situation you made, whereby the disease is curable by medical science, is not analogous to homosexuality, which isn't. Should I really have to explain this to you? I don't think I should.

Well, you probably CANT explain it because you just aren't clear. I didn't make any situation. I was merely repeating what some people think and imply. And then you do the immature response of saying 'leave the arguing to grownups' which made zero sense at all. Show where in any of my posts where I talk about treatments? Anywhere.
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#271 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"] I think you should log off the computer and take a nap. You are far to cranky to do anything other than put people down for anything and everything. You are even putting down people who have the same opinion on the matter as you just because I pointed out you are being far to aggressive and rude to everyone. Apparently you could care less about anyone but yourself. As I have said you are acting like a child throwing a tantrum and coming off as a huge joke.

Um, how about not taking a post that clearly refutes someone else's argument and then claiming that all I'm doing is insulting people? That makes you look just a bit silly.
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#272 Theokhoth
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Homosexuality is a psychological disorder.

Raiden004
The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association and Psychology Today all disagree.
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#273 flazzle
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

You are the one that responded with this

"There's no treatment for homosexuality. Addendum: please leave the arguing to the grown-ups"

Makes no sense when you read what I wrote. Just a clear indication you have trouble comprehending.

testfactor888

Yeh, except insofar as it clearly demonstrated that the situation you made, whereby the disease is curable by medical science, is not analogous to homosexuality, which isn't. Should I really have to explain this to you? I don't think I should.

I think you should log off the computer and take a nap. You are far to cranky to do anything other than put people down for anything and everything. You are even putting down people who have the same opinion on the matter as you just because I pointed out you are being far to aggressive and rude to everyone. Apparently you could care less about anyone but yourself. As I have said you are acting like a child throwing a tantrum and coming off as a huge joke.

He doesn't make any sense or simply doesn't know how to debate reasonably. can you figure out where he got the treatment part?

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#274 flazzle
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"] I think you should log off the computer and take a nap. You are far to cranky to do anything other than put people down for anything and everything. You are even putting down people who have the same opinion on the matter as you just because I pointed out you are being far to aggressive and rude to everyone. Apparently you could care less about anyone but yourself. As I have said you are acting like a child throwing a tantrum and coming off as a huge joke.iamdisappointed
Um, how about not taking a post that clearly refutes someone else's argument and then claiming that all I'm doing is insulting people? That makes you look just a bit silly.

saying 'leave the arguments to grownups' isn't insulting? Believe it or not, that kind made you look silly.

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#275 Theokhoth
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Come on, guys, this argument's off-topic. What do you say we just kiss and make out?
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#276 iamdisappointed
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Well, you probably CANT explain it because you just aren't clear. I didn't make any situation. I was merely repeating what some people think and imply. And then you do the immature response of saying 'leave the arguing to grownups' which made zero sense at all. Show where in any of my posts where I talk about treatments? Anywhere.flazzle
What in God's name are you taking about? You made a crappy analogy and I explained why it was bollocks. I have no time for arguing with you if you're incapable of grasping basic, obvious facts like these. 'lets say there is a sickness that causes some people to have symptom A, and others to have symptom B then, someone comes along and says there is a free, safe and tested cure for the main sickness, then that person prescribes the treatment some of the sick people use the treatment and other sick people refuse it how can you say that people who still have either Symptom A or Symptom B aren't choosing to live that way?' Note the 'free, safe and tested cure,' for which there is no analogy in homosexuals. You lose.
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#277 LastCaveMan
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LOL! :lol: the arguments. Its just a huge flame war!

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#278 Dark_Knight6
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Because, being heterosexual, they are experts on homosexuality and can determine that people chose to be in a discriminated and hated minority.

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#279 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]Well, you probably CANT explain it because you just aren't clear. I didn't make any situation. I was merely repeating what some people think and imply. And then you do the immature response of saying 'leave the arguing to grownups' which made zero sense at all. Show where in any of my posts where I talk about treatments? Anywhere.iamdisappointed
What in God's name are you taking about? You made a crappy analogy and I explained why it was bollocks. I have no time for arguing with you if you're incapable of grasping basic, obvious facts like these. 'lets say there is a sickness that causes some people to have symptom A, and others to have symptom B then, someone comes along and says there is a free, safe and tested cure for the main sickness, then that person prescribes the treatment some of the sick people use the treatment and other sick people refuse it how can you say that people who still have either Symptom A or Symptom B aren't choosing to live that way?' Note the 'free, safe and tested cure,' for which there is no analogy in homosexuals. You lose.

I never said anything close to that. Quote me where I did.

In all seriousness, do you have issue reading and comprehending?

Simply quote where I said what you stated above.

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#281 KungfuKitten
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Just delete all insults and belittling or the mods will catch You. It's not like one person is making him/herself look silly, everyone involved is looking silly right now...
Please if You have arguments they are welcome, i don't see any.

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[QUOTE="flazzle"]Well, you probably CANT explain it because you just aren't clear. I didn't make any situation. I was merely repeating what some people think and imply. And then you do the immature response of saying 'leave the arguing to grownups' which made zero sense at all. Show where in any of my posts where I talk about treatments? Anywhere.iamdisappointed
What in God's name are you taking about? You made a crappy analogy and I explained why it was bollocks. I have no time for arguing with you if you're incapable of grasping basic, obvious facts like these. 'lets say there is a sickness that causes some people to have symptom A, and others to have symptom B then, someone comes along and says there is a free, safe and tested cure for the main sickness, then that person prescribes the treatment some of the sick people use the treatment and other sick people refuse it how can you say that people who still have either Symptom A or Symptom B aren't choosing to live that way?' Note the 'free, safe and tested cure,' for which there is no analogy in homosexuals. You lose.

I was the one who wrote that, but you misunderstood what i wrote completely

I never called homosexuality or heterosexuality a disease.

My analogy was meant to suggest that, all the problems of heterosexuality and homosexuality are more like symptoms of the ROOT cause which is the desire for sex...

to remove the problems of heterosexuality and homosexuality, the treatment is to remove the Desire for sex itself.

people will choose to remove that desire or they will choose not to remove that desire

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#283 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]What in God's name are you taking about? You made a crappy analogy and I explained why it was bollocks. I have no time for arguing with you if you're incapable of grasping basic, obvious facts like these. 'lets say there is a sickness that causes some people to have symptom A, and others to have symptom B then, someone comes along and says there is a free, safe and tested cure for the main sickness, then that person prescribes the treatment some of the sick people use the treatment and other sick people refuse it how can you say that people who still have either Symptom A or Symptom B aren't choosing to live that way?' Note the 'free, safe and tested cure,' for which there is no analogy in homosexuals. You lose.iamdisappointed

I never said anything close to that. Quote me where I did.

In all seriousness, do you have issue reading and comprehending?

Simply quote where I said what you stated above.

Oh, my apologies. I seem to have confused you with another of the idiots I'm having to put up with in this thread. Being surrounded by clones of the same mouth-breathing tool makes it hard to differentiate.

Its funny how all you do is insult, insult, insult. Now you are saying you can't even keep it together on who you are arguing with anymore. You are just throwing out an insult at anyone who responds to you. Seriously grow up man.
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Come on, guys, this argument's off-topic. What do you say we just kiss and make out?Theokhoth
I'm game. =3
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#286 iamdisappointed
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Just delete all insults and belittling or the mods will catch You.KungfuKitten
Suffice it to say if I cared, I'd not have made them in the first place.
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#287 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Its funny how all you do is insult, insult, insult. Now you are saying you can't even keep it together on who you are arguing with anymore. You are just throwing out an insult at anyone who responds to you. Seriously grow up man.

Shush now. You've said virtually the same thing multiple times, and I s*at all over you for it then.

You keep telling yourself that. Maybe someday you will grow out of your immature phase. Happily I will never have to see you again as you only created this account to harrass people and troll. You likely won't be around long
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gay is not genetic. you learn why in biology.
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#289 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Come on, guys, this argument's off-topic. What do you say we just kiss and make out?scorch-62
I'm game. =3

no you're not :x..
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#290 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Its funny how all you do is insult, insult, insult. Now you are saying you can't even keep it together on who you are arguing with anymore. You are just throwing out an insult at anyone who responds to you. Seriously grow up man.

Shush now. You've said virtually the same thing multiple times, and I s*at all over you for it then.

You keep telling yourself that. Maybe someday you will grow out of your immature phase. Happily I will never have to see you again as you only created this account to harrass people and troll. You likely won't be around long

How endearingly naive! Who's to say I can't make another account if I'm banned?
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gay is not genetic. you learn why in biology.Buriz

It can be non-genetic and still not be a choice.

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#292 smchacko
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]Shush now. You've said virtually the same thing multiple times, and I s*at all over you for it then.iamdisappointed
You keep telling yourself that. Maybe someday you will grow out of your immature phase. Happily I will never have to see you again as you only created this account to harrass people and troll. You likely won't be around long

How endearingly naive! Who's to say I can't make another account if I'm banned?

iamdisappointed: i don't think you know what your defending or what you're even upset about anymore.... maybe you're screen name says it all

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#293 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] You keep telling yourself that. Maybe someday you will grow out of your immature phase. Happily I will never have to see you again as you only created this account to harrass people and troll. You likely won't be around longsmchacko

How endearingly naive! Who's to say I can't make another account if I'm banned?

iamdisappointed: i don't think you know what your defending or what you're even upset about anymore.... maybe you're screen name says it all

Well, yes, it does as it happens - I made this account because the posts in this thread of people like you filled me with a) contempt and b) a desire to point out why.
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#294 smchacko
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[QUOTE="smchacko"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]How endearingly naive! Who's to say I can't make another account if I'm banned?iamdisappointed

iamdisappointed: i don't think you know what your defending or what you're even upset about anymore.... maybe you're screen name says it all

Well, yes, it does as it happens - I made this account because the posts in this thread of people like you filled me with a) contempt and b) a desire to point out why.

it sounds like having to defend being gay/straight is stressful which sucks

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#295 Buriz
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[QUOTE="Buriz"]gay is not genetic. you learn why in biology.Dark_Knight6

It can be non-genetic and still not be a choice.

I agree.
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#296 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Come on, guys, this argument's off-topic. What do you say we just kiss and make out?scorch-62
I'm game. =3

Hold on. *Puts on surgeon's mask, rubber gloves, and sprays Scorch with antiseptic.* Okay!
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#297 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="smchacko"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]How endearingly naive! Who's to say I can't make another account if I'm banned?iamdisappointed

iamdisappointed: i don't think you know what your defending or what you're even upset about anymore.... maybe you're screen name says it all

Well, yes, it does as it happens - I made this account because the posts in this thread of people like you filled me with a) contempt and b) a desire to point out why.

Well, when one account is banned, all associated accounts are banned with it. So, bye bye whoever you are. :D
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#298 iamdisappointed
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[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="smchacko"]iamdisappointed: i don't think you know what your defending or what you're even upset about anymore.... maybe you're screen name says it allTheokhoth
Well, yes, it does as it happens - I made this account because the posts in this thread of people like you filled me with a) contempt and b) a desire to point out why.

Well, when one account is banned, all associated accounts are banned with it. So, bye bye whoever you are. :D

Um, as I've said, this doesn't prevent me making another account if I so choose. Oh, and by the way - I'm on dynamic IP, before you say anything.
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#299 TheAbbeFaria
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I'm not going to read all 15 pages of this thread, and I think that's probably a good thing considering how people act around here, insulting each other and stuff. Anyway, if love is simply a feeling that forces humans to procreate, than how does homosexuality make sense?

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#300 iamdisappointed
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I'm not going to read all 15 pages of this thread, and I think that's probably a good thing considering how people act around here, insulting each other and stuff. Anyway, if love is simply a feeling that forces humans to procreate, than how does homosexuality make sense?

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'make sense'? I wasn't aware a sexual orientation could be logically incoherent.