Why do we need proof to believe in god?

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#151 greeneye59
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What proof is there that he doesn't exist? Frankly I think it would diminish religion if there was scientific evidence God existed. Then you can't call it "faith" anymore.
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#152 blacktorn
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What proof is there that he doesn't exist? Frankly I think it would diminish religion if there was scientific evidence God existed. Then you can't call it "faith" anymore.greeneye59

If there was evidence then Religion would become the dominant power of the world,shadowing all governments.How did you come to the conclusion it would go away?The reason why people don't take religion seriously is because they don't believe in god,if they knew he existed then they would change there ways in a heartbeat,people also choose to be arrogant and dismiss any teachings about sin,sin didn't just appear in the last 100 years,it's been here since the dawn of man.The bible is supposed to drive you away from Satan's temptations.

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becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest have
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#154 MattUD1
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becouse believe killed more human beingswhoody12

You could have left your post at that and your point would still stand. Including atheists is just flamebaiting.

Wait. Are you talking about beliefs or believers?

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#155 blacktorn
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becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest havewhoody12

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine happiness or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

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#156 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveblacktorn

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

I think what he is trying to say is more religious people have killed than non-religious people. I'd guess that would be true even if you looked at it percentage-wise too.
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[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveblacktorn

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine beauty or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

Or spend eternity in Hades, or Niffelheim... Or in Hell anyway since you were a Christian instead of a Muslim and dared to elevate a normal man (albeit a prophet) to the level of God Himself.

Anyway, everyone dies a believer, just with different beliefs.

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#158 dsmccracken
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What proof is there that he doesn't exist? Frankly I think it would diminish religion if there was scientific evidence God existed. Then you can't call it "faith" anymore.greeneye59

A planet convinced overnight, billions of souls saved, and all we'd lose is this hoop that god makes of jump through called "faith?" Sounds like a fair trade to me. Why does God put so much value in faith? What does faith benefit God, or us? If God is complete and everlasting love, and is concerned with our souls, why the mystery? What richness does faith endow on a Christian that would be utterly ruined if God came down and shook your hand? You can only truly love a deity that plays games with you? If God is straightforward, what, the thrill is gone?

Finally on the topic of faith, your fellow Muslim/Jew/Hindu/Buddhist has the exact same kind of rich, warming faith that you do... according to Christians an incorrect misguided faith. So faith can be bad, except for you, right?

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#159 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveblacktorn

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine happiness or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

And what happens if you choose wrong, because you are born in the Middle East and worship Allah?

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#160 dsmccracken
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There is proof. ;)
It just takes a while to find it, if you do.
And even if you do. It's a personal experience that you can't tell people in words.
That's what this world needs to stop with. Not everything can be said in words. If it could, I would write one book and the whole world changes.
Weslii

Let's be a bit more precise with the language, shall we? There is faith, there is evidence, but there is no proof. Evidence and proof are not the same thing.

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#161 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveMr_sprinkles

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

I think what he is trying to say is more religious people have killed than non-religious people. I'd guess that would be true even if you looked at it percentage-wise too.

Well if they kill then they will go to hell,weather or not they are religious,being a christian doesn't exempt you from committing sin,it's supposed to stop you doing it in the first place.If you killed for the sake of your religion,then you've not fully understood it,if you we're unaware of your actions then you can seek repentance if you don't seek repentance therefore you knew what you were doing and killed in full awareness then you've committed a mortal sin and when your judgement day comes you will perish.

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[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveblacktorn

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine happiness or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

I'd rather go to hell than worship a megalomaniacal tyrrant
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#163 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveC_Town_Soul

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine happiness or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

I'd rather go to hell than worship a megalomaniacal tyrrant

Whoo fighting the power.
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#164 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveZagrius

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine beauty or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

Or spend eternity in Hades, or Niffelheim... Or in Hell anyway since you were a Christian instead of a Muslim and dared to elevate a normal man (albeit a prophet) to the level of God Himself.

Anyway, everyone dies a believer, just with different beliefs.

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

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Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

blacktorn

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

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#166 Zagrius
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[QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveblacktorn

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine beauty or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

Or spend eternity in Hades, or Niffelheim... Or in Hell anyway since you were a Christian instead of a Muslim and dared to elevate a normal man (albeit a prophet) to the level of God Himself.

Anyway, everyone dies a believer, just with different beliefs.

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

But not believing in the right god(s) can be considered a sin. Heck, plenty of Christians here will be glad/sad to tell you that you're going to Hell if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and saviour and what-not and original sin and blah blah.

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#167 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveblacktorn

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine beauty or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

Or spend eternity in Hades, or Niffelheim... Or in Hell anyway since you were a Christian instead of a Muslim and dared to elevate a normal man (albeit a prophet) to the level of God Himself.

Anyway, everyone dies a believer, just with different beliefs.

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

Is doing good simply to get into heaven truly morally right? surely if that's the case you are doing it for personal gain, as opposed to doing it because it's the right thing to do.
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#168 Bourbons3
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What's the point in blind faith?
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#169 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

dsmccracken

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

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#170 Zagrius
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveMr_sprinkles

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine beauty or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

Or spend eternity in Hades, or Niffelheim... Or in Hell anyway since you were a Christian instead of a Muslim and dared to elevate a normal man (albeit a prophet) to the level of God Himself.

Anyway, everyone dies a believer, just with different beliefs.

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

Is doing good simply to get into heaven truly morally right? surely if that's the case you are doing it for personal gain, as opposed to doing it because it's the right thing to do.

Hey, if you twist it a bit, you could say that doing good for good's sake is also selfish. You do good because you want to do good. That means doing good makes you feel good. You're doing it to make yourself feel good about doing good. OMG the selfishness!!!

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#171 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="whoody12"]becouse believe killed more human beings than athiest haveZagrius

We're all all going to die sooner or later,better to die a believer than a non-believer.

Show your gratitude to god for the life he's given you for 100 years and spend eternity in his divine beauty or rebel and succumb to the devils temptations and suffer with him in hell for eternity..the choice is yours...

Or spend eternity in Hades, or Niffelheim... Or in Hell anyway since you were a Christian instead of a Muslim and dared to elevate a normal man (albeit a prophet) to the level of God Himself.

Anyway, everyone dies a believer, just with different beliefs.

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

Is doing good simply to get into heaven truly morally right? surely if that's the case you are doing it for personal gain, as opposed to doing it because it's the right thing to do.

Hey, if you twist it a bit, you could say that doing good for good's sake is also selfish. You do good because you want to do good. That means doing good makes you feel good. You're doing it to make yourself feel good about doing good. OMG the selfishness!!!

If you do a good deed,it's a good deed,doing a good deed for the sake of doing a good deed doesn't turn it evil,good and evil aren't at one,there not interchangeable,if the bible for example makes you think before you do a bad deed,then that's a good thing,it's not a sin that the bible can teach you moral rights if you stray on the wrong path.Therefore it can make you a better person,making up for your mistakes,therefore repentance.

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#172 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

blacktorn

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

Since I don't believe, I can hardly consider not giving praise a sin, or rebellious, so there can be no agreement on that point. Atheists don't think they "appeared out of thin air", and I think you know that. You can say "what was before the big bang," but that essentially is cancelled out by the question of "what was before God." I'm not sure why you think being an atheist is hypocritical, so I can't address that.

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So we know it exists, and belief in it becomes more than an assumption.
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#174 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

dsmccracken

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

Since I don't believe, I can hardly consider not giving praise a sin, or rebellious, so there can be no agreement on that point. Atheists don't think they "appeared out of thin air", and I think you know that. You can say "what was before the big bang," but that essentially is cancelled out by the question of "what was before God." I'm not sure why you think being an atheist is hypocritical, so I can't address that.

So you don't believe something created you,therefore you believe everything you've done on this earth just disperses into nothingness when you die? If you say no to that then you are being a hypocrite.

Your essentially choosing between having a soul and having knowledge,as knowledge can't prove you have a soul.

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#175 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

blacktorn

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

Since I don't believe, I can hardly consider not giving praise a sin, or rebellious, so there can be no agreement on that point. Atheists don't think they "appeared out of thin air", and I think you know that. You can say "what was before the big bang," but that essentially is cancelled out by the question of "what was before God." I'm not sure why you think being an atheist is hypocritical, so I can't address that.

So you don't believe something created you,therefore you believe everything you've done on this earth just disperses into nothingness when you die? If you say no to that then you are being a hypocrite.

Well, thanks for the warning on what you'll call me if I answer wrong! I don't know what will happen to me. Heaven or hell for all I know. Most likely though, my consciousness (or soul if you will, though I wouldn't use that word) will simply extinguish.

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#176 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

dsmccracken

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

Since I don't believe, I can hardly consider not giving praise a sin, or rebellious, so there can be no agreement on that point. Atheists don't think they "appeared out of thin air", and I think you know that. You can say "what was before the big bang," but that essentially is cancelled out by the question of "what was before God." I'm not sure why you think being an atheist is hypocritical, so I can't address that.

So you don't believe something created you,therefore you believe everything you've done on this earth just disperses into nothingness when you die? If you say no to that then you are being a hypocrite.

Well, thanks for the warning on what you'll call me if I answer wrong! I don't know what will happen to me. Heaven or hell for all I know. Most likely though, my consciousness (or soul if you will, though I wouldn't use that word) will simply extinguish.

I don't mean to be hurtful,so you think everyone you know will also extinguish,you honestly,in your heart believe that?Come on you know you don't,don't be arrogant just because you can't find the knowledge you desire.

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Why would you follow something blindly without questioning it?
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

blacktorn

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

Since I don't believe, I can hardly consider not giving praise a sin, or rebellious, so there can be no agreement on that point. Atheists don't think they "appeared out of thin air", and I think you know that. You can say "what was before the big bang," but that essentially is cancelled out by the question of "what was before God." I'm not sure why you think being an atheist is hypocritical, so I can't address that.

So you don't believe something created you,therefore you believe everything you've done on this earth just disperses into nothingness when you die? If you say no to that then you are being a hypocrite.

Well, thanks for the warning on what you'll call me if I answer wrong! I don't know what will happen to me. Heaven or hell for all I know. Most likely though, my consciousness (or soul if you will, though I wouldn't use that word) will simply extinguish.

I don't mean to be hurtful,so you think everyone you know will also extinguish,you honestly,in your heart believe that?Come on you know you don't,don't be arrogant just because you can't find the knowledge you desire.

You know, an atheist can believe in the soul, an afterlife, spirits, ghosts, whatever. It's just gods that we necessarily don't believe in.

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What proof is there that he doesn't exist? Frankly I think it would diminish religion if there was scientific evidence God existed. Then you can't call it "faith" anymore.greeneye59
This is called the argument of ignorance. Because we don't have evidence something exists is a reason to not believe it exists, the only good one that exists.
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Well sin is pretty much the same in most religions,stay away from it and you won't go to hell,you could have no religion and still go to heaven.Morals are morals,there's no disputing that.

Zagrius

As an atheist, this is the only kind of God/judgement/heaven protocol that I can accept. If you don't believe but live a good life anyway, you're in. Not the system that evangelicals and fundamentalists supports, that.

But to not believe is to be rebellious which is a sin,in all religions you should praise the one who created you,you didn't just come on this earth out of thin air,uh i find atheists to be extreme hypocrites.

Atheists seem to fob off some sins whenever they like,a.k.a because it's a convenience in there daily lives to do so.

Since I don't believe, I can hardly consider not giving praise a sin, or rebellious, so there can be no agreement on that point. Atheists don't think they "appeared out of thin air", and I think you know that. You can say "what was before the big bang," but that essentially is cancelled out by the question of "what was before God." I'm not sure why you think being an atheist is hypocritical, so I can't address that.

So you don't believe something created you,therefore you believe everything you've done on this earth just disperses into nothingness when you die? If you say no to that then you are being a hypocrite.

Well, thanks for the warning on what you'll call me if I answer wrong! I don't know what will happen to me. Heaven or hell for all I know. Most likely though, my consciousness (or soul if you will, though I wouldn't use that word) will simply extinguish.

I don't mean to be hurtful,so you think everyone you know will also extinguish,you honestly,in your heart believe that?Come on you know you don't,don't be arrogant just because you can't find the knowledge you desire.

You know, an atheist can believe in the soul, an afterlife, spirits, ghosts, whatever. It's just gods that we don't believe in.

Something created your soul,did it not?

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#181 ferret837
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[QUOTE="johnchan3"]because no god is existed in this world......sarmini
Please, do explain what evidence do you have to say that He doesnt exist? Im very eager to hear this :roll:

yea what evidence do we have that says theres not such thing as the easter bunny, or magical elves dont exist? So does that mean i should believe in them too?

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#182 Zagrius
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Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn

I don't believe in a soul, but even if I did, I could say that it's just a spiritual part of the body.

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#183 _Tobli_
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I don't mean to be hurtful,so you think everyone you know will also extinguish,you honestly,in your heart believe that?Come on you know you don't,don't be arrogant just because you can't find the knowledge you desire. blacktorn

It's just as likely as whatever you believe......

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#184 zeroordie89
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i was trying to find proof that he was real....but nothing came up.

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#185 quiglythegreat
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Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn
I believe in the soul but not god. Not everything in the universe can be explained with observable rules, however it also seems clear to me that my soul had no beginning. I have no reason to believe so anyway and that doesn't feel as though it'd be true.
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#186 dsmccracken
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I don't mean to be hurtful,so you think everyone you know will also extinguish,you honestly,in your heart believe that?Come on you know you don't,don't be arrogant just because you can't find the knowledge you desire. blacktorn

So, I avoided being a hypocrite only to become arrogant? Damn! I've already told you what I believe, it's up to you whether you want to believe me or not. My veracity is not dependent on your beliefs. Do you have any response to my questions earlier regarding what God gets out of faith? How your personal relationship with God would be diminished or lessened if God were more straightforward? Would the thrill be gone if the mystery were taken out of the relationship, like a mistress?

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#187 dsmccracken
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Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

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#188 yoshi-lnex
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If we don't need evidence for a god, why can't the same be said about the easter bunny?
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#189 dcowboys3315
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we dont need proof..
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#190 quiglythegreat
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we dont need proof..dcowboys3315
You should have some logical basis for your beliefs. If you don't, you may subscribe to something that isn't true and if it is false, you are unprepared for what is real, which will get to you eventually.
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#191 lukazs
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That's your own opinion. Actually I believe in things like God, maybe that's because I'm a man of faith and you're a man of science? Let me ask you a question, are you a christian?

because no god is existed in this world......johnchan3

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#192 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

dsmccracken

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

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#193 Zagrius
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

So if a person comes to you and claims to be God, you won't question it for the fear that if it's true, then you'll be questioning God?

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#194 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

Zagrius

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

So if a person comes to you and claims to be God, you won't question it for the fear that if it's true, then you'll be questioning God?

God isn't a man.

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#195 Zagrius
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[QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

So if a person comes to you and claims to be God, you won't question it for the fear that if it's true, then you'll be questioning God?

God isn't a man.

Jesus.

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#196 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

Zagrius

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

So if a person comes to you and claims to be God, you won't question it for the fear that if it's true, then you'll be questioning God?

God isn't a man.

Jesus.

Son of god,not actually god.

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#197 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

You make it sound like an atheist is engaged in a deliberate and dynamic act, "set on going against God." It's not like that at all. It's more like, well, nothing. If you've made the "leap of faith", then I have not leapt. Not doing something isn't really an action, it is the lack of an action.

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#198 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="Zagrius"][QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

blacktorn

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

So if a person comes to you and claims to be God, you won't question it for the fear that if it's true, then you'll be questioning God?

God isn't a man.

Jesus.

Son of god,not actually god.

Doesn't the concept of the holy trinity make Jesus part of the God construct?

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#199 foxhound_fox
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Son of god,not actually god. blacktorn

I'm pretty sure that there is the belief that Jesus is just a projection of God on earth and not a man at all. The whole "holy trinity" deal.
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#200 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

Something created your soul,did it not?

dsmccracken

If he asked what created God, you would probably say God is eternal and had no creator. Why can't he answer the same about his soul?

Mmm no i wouldn't question it at all,because i don't desire a need for that kind of knowledge,because it doesn't exist.There are many things we don't know about the afterlife,doesn't mean we have to start finding answers because your set on going against god,by not believing in him.

You make it sound like an atheist is engaged in a deliberate and dynamic act, "set on going against God." It's not like that at all. It's more like, well, nothing. If you've made the "leap of faith", then I have not leapt. Not doing something isn't really an action, it is the lack of an action.

You are deliberately not believing,hence you call yourself an atheist.