Why does the US get away with murder and its civillians shrug off collateral

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#1 BangYongGuk
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damage"? http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/repulsive_progressive_hypocrisy/singleton/
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What the hell is collater damage? Do you mean "collateral damage"?

Because that movie kind of sucked.

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#3 BangYongGuk
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What the hell is collater damage? Do you mean "collateral damage"?

Because that movie kind of sucked.

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Yes it cut me off, I am not talk about movie.
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why do you care, we're the fcking USA!
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#5 King-Kai
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What's the big deal about murder? It's only hastening the inevitable. Why should people get all bent out of shape over something that's going to happen anyway? Meh.

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#6 BangYongGuk
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What's the big deal about murder? It's only hastening the inevitable. Why should people get all bent out of shape over something that's going to happen anyway? Meh.

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Because others go to jail for it.
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[QUOTE="King-Kai"]

What's the big deal about murder? It's only hastening the inevitable. Why should people get all bent out of shape over something that's going to happen anyway? Meh.

BangYongGuk

Because others go to jail for it.

you see amercian soldiers pissing on corpses and just recently killed nine innocent kids.....yea people around the globe and U.S soil arnt pleased one bit

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#8 BangYongGuk
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[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"][QUOTE="King-Kai"]

What's the big deal about murder? It's only hastening the inevitable. Why should people get all bent out of shape over something that's going to happen anyway? Meh.

almasdeathchild

Because others go to jail for it.

you see amercian soldiers pissing on corpses and just recently killed nine innocent kids.....yea people around the globe and U.S soil arnt pleased one bit

True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"] Because others go to jail for it.BangYongGuk

you see amercian soldiers pissing on corpses and just recently killed nine innocent kids.....yea people around the globe and U.S soil arnt pleased one bit

True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.

what makes it more annoying is that alot of people try and find scape goats to justify their actions.

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#10 BangYongGuk
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[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"][QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]you see amercian soldiers pissing on corpses and just recently killed nine innocent kids.....yea people around the globe and U.S soil arnt pleased one bit

almasdeathchild

True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.

what makes it more annoying is that alot of people try and find scape goats to justify their actions.

Agreed, Ted Bundy blamed his killings on porn yet he was not spared the death penalty... I think there is a massive double standard... If we let people rape women, murder children and ravage a country with war crimes than why are there criminals?
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#11 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"] True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.BangYongGuk

what makes it more annoying is that alot of people try and find scape goats to justify their actions.

Agreed, Ted Bundy blamed his killings on porn yet he was not spared the death penalty... I think there is a massive double standard... If we let people rape women, murder children and ravage a country with war crimes than why are there criminals?

atleast someone gets what im talking about

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#12 GrayF0X786
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What you didnt know about the war:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsrMzfhdmkU

best 10 mins of your life to watch, 24/7 of hell for the people you see.

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#14 GrayF0X786
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Brown people don't count as humans, didn't ya know? m25105
im light brown, does that count? :(

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#15 jetpower3
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Like this is something the U.S. does alone, or to the "best" of its ability.

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#16 LJS9502_basic
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Collateral damage in war is not considered murder. Since murder is a legal concept your logic is wrong.
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#17 BossPerson
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This thread can only end in disaster.

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#18 StRaItJaCkEt36
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Collateral damage in war is not considered murder. Since murder is a legal concept your logic is wrong.LJS9502_basic
the word murder is not a term that is exclusive to legal concepts. the word murder can be used to describe the actions of killing that someone thinks are unjustified. People use the word this way all the time. It's not a matter of logic. Collateral damage, is an euphemism, to cover up the atrocities of war, by making it sound morally justified by avoiding negative terminology like murder, they move the description of events to a more neutral point of view. Collateral damage implies destruction that was not intended, so it's more acceptable in the eyes of the public. It really doesn't matter what anybody calls it, taking the lives of innocent people in military action should never be acceptable. I'm perfectly fine with somebody calling it murder. It's unjustified killing. People are losing their lives for no good reason. To many people that is murder. Regardless of what you or anybody wants to call it to lighten the impact of these causalities.
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#19 Victorious_Fize
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What's the big deal about murder? It's only hastening the inevitable. Why should people get all bent out of shape over something that's going to happen anyway? Meh.

King-Kai

LOL, you still haven't failed me. :)

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#20 Crunchy_Nuts
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Their death are permissible as long as long as they don't live anywhere close by.
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#21 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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That dude is going to jail for a very long time. He's not getting away with murder.

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#22 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Collateral damage in war is not considered murder. Since murder is a legal concept your logic is wrong.StRaItJaCkEt36
the word murder is not a term that is exclusive to legal concepts. the word murder can be used to describe the actions of killing that someone thinks are unjustified. People use the word this way all the time. It's not a matter of logic. Collateral damage, is an euphemism, to cover up the atrocities of war, by making it sound morally justified by avoiding negative terminology like murder, they move the description of events to a more neutral point of view. Collateral damage implies destruction that was not intended, so it's more acceptable in the eyes of the public. It really doesn't matter what anybody calls it, taking the lives of innocent people in military action should never be acceptable. I'm perfectly fine with somebody calling it murder. It's unjustified killing. People are losing their lives for no good reason. To many people that is murder. Regardless of what you or anybody wants to call it to lighten the impact of these causalities.

Actually we use different words for different types of killing....
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#23 Matthew-first
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"] Because others go to jail for it.BangYongGuk

you see amercian soldiers pissing on corpses and just recently killed nine innocent kids.....yea people around the globe and U.S soil arnt pleased one bit

True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.



The whole nation of United States need to wake up...

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#24 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"][QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]you see amercian soldiers pissing on corpses and just recently killed nine innocent kids.....yea people around the globe and U.S soil arnt pleased one bit

Matthew-first

True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.



The whole nation of United States need to wake up...

Most people do, in fact, know bad things happen. That means in all countries. If you think other countries are warm and loving to the "enemy" you are naive.

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#25 Matthew-first
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[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="BangYongGuk"] True, I think the American people are waking up though. I like the think most people know the truth.LJS9502_basic



The whole nation of United States need to wake up...

Most people do, in fact, know bad things happen. That means in all countries. If you think other countries are warm and loving to the "enemy" you are naive.



From one sentece so much interpretation... :roll:
Didn't said a thing about other countries... but... people should learn that war is not an option to everything.



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#26 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

The whole nation of United States need to wake up...

Matthew-first

Most people do, in fact, know bad things happen. That means in all countries. If you think other countries are warm and loving to the "enemy" you are naive.



From one sentece so much interpretation... :roll:
Didn't said a thing about other countries... but... people should learn that war is not an option to everything.



I know you didn't. I was correcting you....;)

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[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Most people do, in fact, know bad things happen. That means in all countries. If you think other countries are warm and loving to the "enemy" you are naive.

LJS9502_basic

I know you didn't. I was correcting you....;)



What for?
For me it was more like implementing some things that I dont agree with. And are false with my views coz I don't think like that.

But oh well.. okay then... ;)

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#28 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

Matthew-first

I know you didn't. I was correcting you....;)



What for?
For me it was more like implementing some things that I dont agree with. And are false with my views coz I don't think like that.

But oh well.. okay then... ;)

What does this actually mean?

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#29 Matthew-first
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[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I know you didn't. I was correcting you....;)

LJS9502_basic



What for?
For me it was more like implementing some things that I dont agree with. And are false with my views coz I don't think like that.

But oh well.. okay then... ;)

What does this actually mean?



The very same.

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Because some Americans are free to do whatever the f*** they want,and the rest of the world are terrorists. NOTICE I SAID SOME AMERICANS.
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#31 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Because some Americans are free to do whatever the f*** they want,and the rest of the world are terrorists. NOTICE I SAID SOME AMERICANS.

Not true though. If soldiers violate the code of war they are held accountable.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Because some Americans are free to do whatever the f*** they want,and the rest of the world are terrorists. NOTICE I SAID SOME AMERICANS.

Not true though. If soldiers violate the code of war they are held accountable.

Of course,but I'm sure some of them still get covered for their crimes.
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#33 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Because some Americans are free to do whatever the f*** they want,and the rest of the world are terrorists. NOTICE I SAID SOME AMERICANS.

Not true though. If soldiers violate the code of war they are held accountable.

Of course,but I'm sure some of them still get covered for their crimes.

I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not true though. If soldiers violate the code of war they are held accountable.

Of course,but I'm sure some of them still get covered for their crimes.

I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?

Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.
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I often think about it too. Maybe if such collateral damage took place in the homeland, will then the realisation come in.
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#37 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Of course,but I'm sure some of them still get covered for their crimes.gubrushadow
I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?

Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.

That's pretty funny, given the current state of affairs in the country next door ;).

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#38 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Of course,but I'm sure some of them still get covered for their crimes.

I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?

Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.

Your country is?
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?LJS9502_basic
Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.

Your country is?



I agree with Gubrushow...

But the man L929284 Basic (or whatever it is...) have to argue and correct everyone... ehh... what a mentality.

Mr. Iknoweverything. ;) :roll:

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?

Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.

Your country is?

The middle east,yes all of it lol. I know what's going on here,since I see it with my eyes. And hi5 Mathew :D
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Of course,but I'm sure some of them still get covered for their crimes.

I doubt that. I just don't see it happening. Too hard to cover up and why would someone want to do that?

Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.

Elmanar#1?
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Your article is such trash it is pathetic. Not one fact is mentioned in it, just tossing out statistics at will. America does not target woman and children, you have NO CLUE how much we go through in the Air Force to NOT target women and children. You will NEVER know because we would never let people like you know. You are the type who would run and tell our enemies so they could use it against us even more than they do now. I can tell you for a fact we go far out of our way to avoid killing innocents, I am involved in the process.

This is your type in a nutshell.......

A high value member of the Taliban uses women and children as human shields against Americans, you are cool with that. Americans bomb the target not knowing there are human shields in the building, you blame us. It is pretty pathetic actually.

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I often think about it too. Maybe if such collateral damage took place in the homeland, will then the realisation come in.dramaybaz
ROFL, seriously? The people we fight don't believe in collateral damage because anyone is fair game. Do you really think they were worried about collateral damage on 9/11?? Only one target was even a military one. You people crack me up.
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#44 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Well my media is the inverse of your media,I dunno who is lying but I'm pretty sure our media wiped the floor with your soldiers by describing them as the "real" terrorists.

Your country is?

The middle east,yes all of it lol. I know what's going on here,since I see it with my eyes.

Well it doesn't surprise you that the ME would paint the US negatively does it?
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#45 dercoo
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Hmmm, let me look this up with google....

Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Collateral damage:Used euphemistically to refer to inadvertent casualties and destruction in civilian areas in the course of military operations.

Nope, not the same.

Who would have thought:roll:

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Because America is too powerful to have to follow it's own laws exactly as they are written

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#48 IustitiaMaximus
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The Waco incident.That sure pissed a lot of people off and it happened in the United States. American men,women and children suffer because of government arrogance and carelessness too, sometimes.

That being said, I cant really blame the servicemen. When it would seemthere is no clear cut between friend or foe, and the government that sent them there doesn't seem serious about winning.

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Your article is such trash it is pathetic. Not one fact is mentioned in it, just tossing out statistics at will. America does not target woman and children, you have NO CLUE how much we go through in the Air Force to NOT target women and children. You will NEVER know because we would never let people like you know. You are the type who would run and tell our enemies so they could use it against us even more than they do now. I can tell you for a fact we go far out of our way to avoid killing innocents, I am involved in the process.

This is your type in a nutshell.......

A high value member of the Taliban uses women and children as human shields against Americans, you are cool with that. Americans bomb the target not knowing there are human shields in the building, you blame us. It is pretty pathetic actually.

vfibsux
I agree with this 100% If these so-called warriors were not hiding behind the skirts of their women, we wouldn't wind up killing their women trying to get their cowardly asses. The soldier that just murdered a bunch of innocents will never be a free man again. In fact, under US military law, he will probably get the death penalty. The marines that pissed on the dead taliban were punished.
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#50 no-scope-AK47
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Kids you know nothing about war or the military. You can be subject to ucmj just for being late to formation a couple times but to listen to the kids here soliders are running wild killing civilians.