Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus

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#501 Acemaster27
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The church is the proper response by the community of believers to the Good News of Christ, guided by the holy spirit. And the author of this video is right, much of the church has lost its original mission and purpose, much like it was when Jesus came and preached against the ways of the Jewish religious establishment. However, anger with the church is not the solution. I believe that Christians should work to change the church and refocus it on Christ's message rather than turn away from the church.
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#502 Acemaster27
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If anyone cares about what a well known pastor and theologian thinks of this video (one I myself respect), here is a link about it.

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That's an awesome article, thanks for posting it mindstorm :)
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I finally decided to check it out, and I like how he presents himself. He doesn't mean to offend or impress on others, and it is in the end, his beliefs.

I feel like the reactions are WAY overdone though. There are people who are claiming him as some sort of prophet practically, religious leaders who are disagreeing, and butthurt atheists turning it into another thing to talk about their hatred of religion for.

Its getting a little TOO much press, and even the guy himself says he didn't expect millions of views out of it.

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#504 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

Wow... are we having a little paranoia-gasm here? :lol:Frame_Dragger
Hi. :)

You're acting a lot like an infamous troll who is known for ban-dodging, so of course people are going to be suspicious. I don't know if anyone actually thinks you are Deity_Slapper though; seems like a bit of a joke to me.

But you probably already knew that.

No, only Diety_Slapper would act in such a way.

Nobody else in the world would even remotely be like that.

I've done my research so these are facts.

:lol: That's quality sarcasm.
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#505 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="AussieePet"] you got 9k? Maybe you should get one 1st :D ?AussieePet

Last I heard 120k is more then 9k. are you a math wizard?

doesn't matter you got 9k and your only on level 24? thats a lot plus LJ been here for years so obvs he would have more posts. im sure you've been here for like 1 year ?

Be more of a painfully laughable moron... I dare you.. I double-dog dare you. :hah:
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"] That is a poor choice of words on his part, but I'm not sure that is what he meant.harashawn

Christ Himself established a Church.

Matthew 16:18-19 (Jesus to Peter: "On this rock I will build my church … whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven," etc.)

Mathew 18:17 (Jesus to apostles: "if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan …" etc.)

He established a Church; but it is not the Church we have.

How so. Of course The Church has it's sinners, but that is part of the Divine Plan. How could a Church established by Christ disappear, it cannot! Christ Himself said that "not even the gates of Hell" shall prevail against the Church, the Church shall last until the Second Coming.

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#509 coltgames
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As time has gone on I have given up on christianity or believing in any religion but I do belive there is a GOD and there was a Jesus Christ I know that may sound wierd . Also a part of me just cant deny that throughout time somebody, Im sure tampered with the bible and wrote their own opinions in there .

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#510 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Christ Himself established a Church.

Matthew 16:18-19 (Jesus to Peter: "On this rock I will build my church … whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven," etc.)

Mathew 18:17 (Jesus to apostles: "if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan …" etc.)

He established a Church; but it is not the Church we have.

How so. Of course The Church has it's sinners, but that is part of the Divine Plan. How could a Church established by Christ disappear, it cannot! Christ Himself said that "not even the gates of Hell" shall prevail against the Church, the Church shall last until the Second Coming.

LOL... Listening to deeply religious people debate is like overhearing kids wonder who'd win in a fight, superman or wolverine. :lol:
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] *shrug* I can't say that I've given this enough thought to draw a conclusion, and given the sources I can't pretend to care either.

edit: Hmmm... against my inclination and better judgement it does seem that the only person who thinks I'm this banned user are LJ... staunch Catholic apologist and probably not my #1 fan. Now I add to that... alexside... someone I've only ever had passing disagreements with on the basis of religion... FoxHound... same thing... and you... who quotes Corinthians in your sig, but otherwise I know nothing about.

I can also guess that this user was some kind of militant atheist, which despite assumptions here, I'm not (militant, or atheistic). It's not exactly a leap to guess why a small clique of annoyed religious folks in a Jesus thread would join in a mutual sense of persecuttion and... and... ooops... there it goes... I stopped caring again!

imaps3fanboy

Wrong moron. Read the conversation. I'm not even a part of it. For the record....DS was much more interesting and entertaining than your boring attempts to give yourself some reason for living by ragging on users on an internet forum.

But at least your continued conversations about me are predictable. Get a life dude...

>get a life dude

>120k posts

trollface.jpeg?

Ain't that sweet. Sucking up to a fellow troll......he might like you some day.....isn't that exciting for you.
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#512 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Wrong moron. Read the conversation. I'm not even a part of it. For the record....DS was much more interesting and entertaining than your boring attempts to give yourself some reason for living by ragging on users on an internet forum.

But at least your continued conversations about me are predictable. Get a life dude...

LJS9502_basic

>get a life dude

>120k posts

trollface.jpeg?

Ain't that sweet. Sucking up to a fellow troll......he might like you some day.....isn't that exciting for you.

Still doesn't negate the fact that you spend way to much time posting on a game forum. I bet your life is wonderful.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

>get a life dude

>120k posts

trollface.jpeg?

imaps3fanboy

Ain't that sweet. Sucking up to a fellow troll......he might like you some day.....isn't that exciting for you.

Still doesn't negate the fact that you spend way to much time posting on a game forum. I bet your life is wonderful.

It is.....just got in from a movie....have a full time job and a family. You have......love for your buddy that you jump in and defend. Bet that keeps you warm at night. And you post on several forums....which means that you undoubtedly spend more time a day posting than I do. Does that keep you are warm at night as well? I hope you two make a love connection soon....I'd hate to see your valiant heart broken because you're not his main interest here. Keep a good thought...I'm sure he'll notice you sooner or later and your rush to defend his honor. I mean.....he wouldn't ignore such a grand love gesture....would he?

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#514 DJ-Lafleur
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imaPS3fanboy vs. LJS

THE BATTLE TO DECIDE WHO HAS MORE OF A LIFE!!!

Taking bets here.

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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ain't that sweet. Sucking up to a fellow troll......he might like you some day.....isn't that exciting for you.LJS9502_basic

Still doesn't negate the fact that you spend way to much time posting on a game forum. I bet your life is wonderful.

It is.....just got in from a movie....have a full time job and a family. You have......love for your buddy that you jump in and defend. Bet that keeps you warm at night. And you post on several forums....which means that you undoubtedly spend more time a day posting than I do. Does that keep you are warm at night as well? I hope you two make a love connection soon....I'd hate to see your valiant heart broken because you're not his main interest here. Keep a good thought...I'm sure he'll notice you sooner or later and your rush to defend his honor. I mean.....he wouldn't ignore such a grand love gesture....would he?

Nope.

I really only frequent this forum to laugh at pathetic messes, such as yourself, and to coerse with a few level headed people.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Still doesn't negate the fact that you spend way to much time posting on a game forum. I bet your life is wonderful.imaps3fanboy

It is.....just got in from a movie....have a full time job and a family. You have......love for your buddy that you jump in and defend. Bet that keeps you warm at night. And you post on several forums....which means that you undoubtedly spend more time a day posting than I do. Does that keep you are warm at night as well? I hope you two make a love connection soon....I'd hate to see your valiant heart broken because you're not his main interest here. Keep a good thought...I'm sure he'll notice you sooner or later and your rush to defend his honor. I mean.....he wouldn't ignore such a grand love gesture....would he?

Nope.

I really only frequent this forum to laugh at pathetic messes, such as yourself, and to coerse with a few level headed people.

You must have lots of time at your hands then.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Still doesn't negate the fact that you spend way to much time posting on a game forum. I bet your life is wonderful.imaps3fanboy

It is.....just got in from a movie....have a full time job and a family. You have......love for your buddy that you jump in and defend. Bet that keeps you warm at night. And you post on several forums....which means that you undoubtedly spend more time a day posting than I do. Does that keep you are warm at night as well? I hope you two make a love connection soon....I'd hate to see your valiant heart broken because you're not his main interest here. Keep a good thought...I'm sure he'll notice you sooner or later and your rush to defend his honor. I mean.....he wouldn't ignore such a grand love gesture....would he?

Nope.

I really only frequent this forum to laugh at pathetic messes, such as yourself, and to coerse with a few level headed people.

You post elsewhere...why you lying man? Oh wait...because it doesn't make you look good. No problem.....and hey....I'm on your side. I hope he notices how much you love him.......
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#518 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It is.....just got in from a movie....have a full time job and a family. You have......love for your buddy that you jump in and defend. Bet that keeps you warm at night. And you post on several forums....which means that you undoubtedly spend more time a day posting than I do. Does that keep you are warm at night as well? I hope you two make a love connection soon....I'd hate to see your valiant heart broken because you're not his main interest here. Keep a good thought...I'm sure he'll notice you sooner or later and your rush to defend his honor. I mean.....he wouldn't ignore such a grand love gesture....would he?

LJS9502_basic

Nope.

I really only frequent this forum to laugh at pathetic messes, such as yourself, and to coerse with a few level headed people.

You post elsewhere...why you lying man? Oh wait...because it doesn't make you look good. No problem.....and hey....I'm on your side. I hope he notices how much you love him.......

Um.. no I don't. OT is the only place I post
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#519 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Nope.

I really only frequent this forum to laugh at pathetic messes, such as yourself, and to coerse with a few level headed people.

imaps3fanboy

You post elsewhere...why you lying man? Oh wait...because it doesn't make you look good. No problem.....and hey....I'm on your side. I hope he notices how much you love him.......

Um.. no I don't. OT is the only place I post

Hmm......I doubt that. You said you've been here 2 years? I had less posts my first two years than you do....so what does that make you?;)

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#520 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Nope.

I really only frequent this forum to laugh at pathetic messes, such as yourself, and to coerse with a few level headed people.

imaps3fanboy

You post elsewhere...why you lying man? Oh wait...because it doesn't make you look good. No problem.....and hey....I'm on your side. I hope he notices how much you love him.......

Um.. no I don't. OT is the only place I post

Wow.. and he thinks other people are stalkers. :roll:

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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You post elsewhere...why you lying man? Oh wait...because it doesn't make you look good. No problem.....and hey....I'm on your side. I hope he notices how much you love him.......LJS9502_basic

Um.. no I don't. OT is the only place I post

Hmm......I doubt that. You said you've been here 2 years? I had less posts my first two years than you do....so what does that make you?;)

2012 - 2009 = 3 I've posted here for three years I think your just angry at life because you'll never catch fasttruck in the post count battle. I'm rooting for you though
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Um.. no I don't. OT is the only place I postimaps3fanboy

Hmm......I doubt that. You said you've been here 2 years? I had less posts my first two years than you do....so what does that make you?;)

2012 - 2009 = 3 I've posted here for three years I think your just angry at life because you'll never catch fasttruck in the post count battle. I'm rooting for you though

Nah...two users passed me up. And I didn't care. But FYI...I had about 8k posts in my first 4 years. So you spent more time posting than I did....which means you inadvertently insulted yourself. Cheers.....;)
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How so. Of course The Church has it's sinners, but that is part of the Divine Plan. How could a Church established by Christ disappear, it cannot! Christ Himself said that "not even the gates of Hell" shall prevail against the Church, the Church shall last until the Second Coming.

whipassmt

Many of the Church's teachings are bigoted and hypocritical. I don't think that is part of Christ's plan. The Church does not preach His law of love.

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#524 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]How so. Of course The Church has it's sinners, but that is part of the Divine Plan. How could a Church established by Christ disappear, it cannot! Christ Himself said that "not even the gates of Hell" shall prevail against the Church, the Church shall last until the Second Coming.

Many of the Church's teachings are bigoted and hypocritical. I don't think that is part of Christ's plan. The Church does not preach His law of love.

Did you need any kind of religion to know that? You don't need to know about, or believe in a divine jesus figure to have a conscience, empathy, and love. You don't need religion, or Jesus, just a heart and a mind to guide it.
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] I hope you realize Jesus' techings were considered incredibly liberal and left-wing during His time. These ideas that we see as common sense were a pretty big deal back then.

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#526 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Many of the Church's teachings are bigoted and hypocritical. I don't think that is part of Christ's plan. The Church does not preach His law of love.

Did you need any kind of religion to know that? You don't need to know about, or believe in a divine jesus figure to have a conscience, empathy, and love. You don't need religion, or Jesus, just a heart and a mind to guide it.

I hope you realize Jesus' techings were considered incredibly liberal and left-wing during His time. These ideas that we see as common sense were a pretty big deal back then.

...And? They were hardly new ideas, just novel in the context that he taught them. The notion that lex talionis was a bad idea, and that peace and love are good predated christianity by quite a margin. In any case, we don't live 2000 years ago... maybe it's time to accept that we have this information and the luxury to act on it, and try to move beyond it to something even better.
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...And? They were hardly new ideas, just novel in the context that he taught them. The notion that lex talionis was a bad idea, and that peace and love are good predated christianity by quite a margin. In any case, we don't live 2000 years ago... maybe it's time to accept that we have this information and the luxury to act on it, and try to move beyond it to something even better.Frame_Dragger
Whether you like it or not, you are following Christ's teachings when you try to be a good person. Chances are you were brought up in a Christian household; and if so, you've been taught Jesus' law. His teachings have been passed down for generations, and even to you. These ideas are engraved in your mind because you've been taught Christian values. Whether you accept Jesus as anything other than a myth is irrelevant at this point.
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]...And? They were hardly new ideas, just novel in the context that he taught them. The notion that lex talionis was a bad idea, and that peace and love are good predated christianity by quite a margin. In any case, we don't live 2000 years ago... maybe it's time to accept that we have this information and the luxury to act on it, and try to move beyond it to something even better.harashawn
Whether you like it or not, you are following Christ's teachings when you try to be a good person. Chances are you were brought up in a Christian household; and if so, you've been taught Jesus' law. His teachings have been passed down for generations, and even to you. These ideas are engraved in your mind because you've been taught Christian values. Whether you accept Jesus as anything other than a myth is irrelevant at this point.

No, I was raised in a Jewish household, and find that nothing is so fine a guide as my own internal sense of empathy for others. The notion of a golden rule, in principle, (I believe) is a fundamental aspect of human beings at the neuroogical level. The notion that pro-social behaviour needs to be codified as religon or specific versions/teachings is simply incorrect; a healthy human already has a sense of this. Religion, or specific teachings are not necessarily to instill them.
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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Last I heard 120k is more then 9k. are you a math wizard?imaps3fanboy

doesn't matter you got 9k and your only on level 24? thats a lot plus LJ been here for years so obvs he would have more posts. im sure you've been here for like 1 year ?

Been here since 09 and I'm only level 24 because I've amassed about 60 moderations

Know dat feel. In a couple of weeks I'll have had this account for seven years and look at my pitiful level :lol:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBo7Z_abiLE&feature=g-all-lik&context=G26bd9aaFAAAAAAAADAA

lol

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Religion is an inherently flawed idea, and people with rational don't NEED it, which isn't to say there isn't a place for relgion. Many reside in a faith to strengthen their belief in a world that, while has evil in it, is still effectively good natured. The believe in it because many people cannot fathom that millions of highly unlikely probabilities turned out and landed us here now. Relgion isn't rational and is there as comfort, in this more athiestic society.

The problems with relgion dont directly come from any of their teachings. Many of them are fine to be followed, and would be recomended for day to day life, however the reasons behind them are not down to following the religion, and more to do with basic human nature. Problems with religion arise when fanatics, such as many on this board, decide to feverishly defend their religion, and state other ideas as being wrong. People should be free to believe as they choose, and not be attacked for such.

I'm an agnostic, due to many coincidences within the creation of the universe, as well as characters in these religions, and some common events, such as the Angel Gabriel, both being in the Bible, as well as the Quaran. I am not willing to believe that any one religion would be true, but would be willing to believe in a higher power, who has a minor influence, such as nudging hydrogen atoms to cause the big bang, or nudging Alexander Flemings mind to luckily discover penicillin, though would deny the idea of prophets.

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After the dozens of FaceBook statuses glorifying this video, I went in thinking it might actually be somewhat decent. But that was just really, really stupid.
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If it were up to me there would be no christians, muslims, jews, atheists, etc. We would just have people with their own believes.

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If it were up to me there would be no christians, muslims, jews, atheists, etc. We would just have people with their own believes.

toast_burner
That is their own beliefs.:|
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

If it were up to me there would be no christians, muslims, jews, atheists, etc. We would just have people with their own believes.

LJS9502_basic

That is their own beliefs.:|

Then why do they need preachers to tell them what their beliefs are? Why do we have holy books or churches?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

If it were up to me there would be no christians, muslims, jews, atheists, etc. We would just have people with their own believes.

toast_burner

That is their own beliefs.:|

Then why do they need preachers to tell them what their beliefs are? Why do we have holy books or churches>

Can't speak for every religion but the priest does is explain the context of the reading or apply it to today. If I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying preachers create the belief? That's not so. Faith is a very personal thing and no one can give it to you.

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If it were up to me there would be no christians, muslims, jews, atheists, etc. We would just have people with their own believes.

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That is their own beliefs.:|

Then why do they need preachers to tell them what their beliefs are? Why do we have holy books or churches?

Priests, imams, monks, etc, they're all theologians that dedicated their time for examining their particular religion and its teaching. While it is always told that it is best to forge your belief and doctrines inline with the religion in question on your own, I believe even you would rather prefer to have a doctor study and examine your problems for you.

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Who is this "Jesus"?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That is their own beliefs.:|Zhang--Jiao

Then why do they need preachers to tell them what their beliefs are? Why do we have holy books or churches?

Priests, imams, monks, etc, they're all theologians that dedicated their time for examining their particular religion and its teaching. While it is always told that it is best to forge your belief and doctrines inline with the religion in question on your own, I believe even you would rather prefer to have a doctor study and examine your problems for you.

Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Then why do they need preachers to tell them what their beliefs are? Why do we have holy books or churches?

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Priests, imams, monks, etc, they're all theologians that dedicated their time for examining their particular religion and its teaching. While it is always told that it is best to forge your belief and doctrines inline with the religion in question on your own, I believe even you would rather prefer to have a doctor study and examine your problems for you.

Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

You didn't read my post.:( First if you have more than one person involved....it's organized. So having a priest means you have organized religion. Second...no one can give you faith. No one.
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i like this one better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBo7Z_abiLE&feature=related

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[QUOTE="Zhang--Jiao"] Priests, imams, monks, etc, they're all theologians that dedicated their time for examining their particular religion and its teaching. While it is always told that it is best to forge your belief and doctrines inline with the religion in question on your own, I believe even you would rather prefer to have a doctor study and examine your problems for you.

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Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

You didn't read my post.:( First if you have more than one person involved....it's organized. So having a priest means you have organized religion. Second...no one can give you faith. No one.

I already said that there shouldn't be priests. Everyone should have there own personal beliefs that they thought up of on their own.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

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You didn't read my post.:( First if you have more than one person involved....it's organized. So having a priest means you have organized religion. Second...no one can give you faith. No one.

I already said that there shouldn't be priests. Everyone should have there own personal beliefs that they thought up of on their own.

That's not a religion then. Why does it hurt you that people have beliefs? The bolded confues me then....

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[QUOTE="Zhang--Jiao"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Then why do they need preachers to tell them what their beliefs are? Why do we have holy books or churches?

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Priests, imams, monks, etc, they're all theologians that dedicated their time for examining their particular religion and its teaching. While it is always told that it is best to forge your belief and doctrines inline with the religion in question on your own, I believe even you would rather prefer to have a doctor study and examine your problems for you.

Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

We were speaking in relative terms, not what you and I think. That usually ends up in "no u-no u". Organised religion helps keep the faith intact. If religion was individualistic, it'll slowly wane and erode because most religious tenets emphasize unity and generosity, something that is mostly at odds with a personal individual.
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[QUOTE="Zhang--Jiao"] Priests, imams, monks, etc, they're all theologians that dedicated their time for examining their particular religion and its teaching. While it is always told that it is best to forge your belief and doctrines inline with the religion in question on your own, I believe even you would rather prefer to have a doctor study and examine your problems for you.

Zhang--Jiao

Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

We were speaking in relative terms, not what you and I think. That usually ends up in "no u-no u". Organised religion helps keep the faith intact. If religion was individualistic, it'll slowly wane and erode because most religious tenets emphasize unity and generosity, something that is mostly at odds with a personal individual.

Yes their beliefs will die, that's a good thing. When one dies another is born (well actually with the population increasing a few more will be born)

I don't want religion to exist at all, I just want spirituality to remain.

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[QUOTE="Zhang--Jiao"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Difference is that a doctor exams physical problems. Priests study a fictional book.

I'm not saying get rid of priests. I'm saying get rid of organised religion completely. Your connection with the supernatural should be 100% personal.

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We were speaking in relative terms, not what you and I think. That usually ends up in "no u-no u". Organised religion helps keep the faith intact. If religion was individualistic, it'll slowly wane and erode because most religious tenets emphasize unity and generosity, something that is mostly at odds with a personal individual.

Yes their beliefs will die, that's a good thing. When one dies another is born (well actually with the population increasing a few more will be born)

I don't want religion to exist at all, I just want spirituality to remain.

Well if I may saying something. The Christian faith requires community, this religion cannot be purely personal for it must by shared among others and the center of Christianity is to be with and love other people under the overflowing love of Christ. I don't exactly agree with this topic video because this guy is saying he hates religion. I believe that the reason why people hate and want religion gone is because religion has gone from what it should be to something sour and corrupt. What he should say is we should hate the way religion has gone and we need to get back to true religion the way Jesus intended the church to act. Now I am not saying that all churches in the western world are corrupt. I personally have not met a church that preaches heretical teaching, but I'm sure there are bad churches out there.
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[QUOTE="Zhang--Jiao"] We were speaking in relative terms, not what you and I think. That usually ends up in "no u-no u". Organised religion helps keep the faith intact. If religion was individualistic, it'll slowly wane and erode because most religious tenets emphasize unity and generosity, something that is mostly at odds with a personal individual.GameGuy642003

Yes their beliefs will die, that's a good thing. When one dies another is born (well actually with the population increasing a few more will be born)

I don't want religion to exist at all, I just want spirituality to remain.

Well if I may saying something. The Christian faith requires community, this religion cannot be purely personal for it must by shared among others and the center of Christianity is to be with and love other people under the overflowing love of Christ. I don't exactly agree with this topic video because this guy is saying he hates religion. I believe that the reason why people hate and want religion gone is because religion has gone from what it should be to something sour and corrupt. What he should say is we should hate the way religion has gone and we need to get back to true religion the way Jesus intended the church to act. Now I am not saying that all churches in the western world are corrupt. I personally have not met a church that preaches heretical teaching, but I'm sure there are bad churches out there.

Didn't you read the part where I said we should abolish Christianity?

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Yes their beliefs will die, that's a good thing. When one dies another is born (well actually with the population increasing a few more will be born)

I don't want religion to exist at all, I just want spirituality to remain.

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Well if I may saying something. The Christian faith requires community, this religion cannot be purely personal for it must by shared among others and the center of Christianity is to be with and love other people under the overflowing love of Christ. I don't exactly agree with this topic video because this guy is saying he hates religion. I believe that the reason why people hate and want religion gone is because religion has gone from what it should be to something sour and corrupt. What he should say is we should hate the way religion has gone and we need to get back to true religion the way Jesus intended the church to act. Now I am not saying that all churches in the western world are corrupt. I personally have not met a church that preaches heretical teaching, but I'm sure there are bad churches out there.

Didn't you read the part where I said we should abolish Christianity?

Which is saying your opinion is more important than the opinion of others. Which I find hypocritical TBH.
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Yes their beliefs will die, that's a good thing. When one dies another is born (well actually with the population increasing a few more will be born)

I don't want religion to exist at all, I just want spirituality to remain.

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Well if I may saying something. The Christian faith requires community, this religion cannot be purely personal for it must by shared among others and the center of Christianity is to be with and love other people under the overflowing love of Christ. I don't exactly agree with this topic video because this guy is saying he hates religion. I believe that the reason why people hate and want religion gone is because religion has gone from what it should be to something sour and corrupt. What he should say is we should hate the way religion has gone and we need to get back to true religion the way Jesus intended the church to act. Now I am not saying that all churches in the western world are corrupt. I personally have not met a church that preaches heretical teaching, but I'm sure there are bad churches out there.

Didn't you read the part where I said we should abolish Christianity?

Oh sorry I don't think I read that part. I kind of came in the conversation half way. So why did you want to abolish Christianity? I guess I could read it so you wouldn't have to type it a second time lol.